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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - redline
FTE 61-79 - driveshaft vibration
FTE 61-79 - FE Power
Re: FTE 61-79 - freon for factoy AC
FTE 61-79 - up the creek.........
Re: FTE 61-79 - redline
Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmission mounts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428
Re: FTE 61-79 - building a 360
Re: FTE 61-79 - FREE 1999 53-72 F100 catalog
Re: FTE 61-79 - FREE 1999 53-72 F100 catalog
FTE 61-79 - Re: BFG Mud Terrains
FTE 61-79 - 6 cyl dual exhaust
FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428
FTE 61-79 - redline
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: BFG Mud Terrains
[none]
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428
Re: FTE 61-79 - Intake and heads for an FE 360
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428
FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428
FTE 61-79 - FE p/s
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428
FTE 61-79 - boom
FTE 61-79 - driveshaft vibration
FTE 61-79 - redline
FTE 61-79 - 428
Re: FTE 61-79 - FREE 1999 53-72 F100 catalog
Re: FTE 61-79 - FREE 1999 53-72 F100 catalog
FTE 61-79 - redline
Re: FTE 61-79 - driveshaft vibration
Re: FTE 61-79 - FREE 1999 53-72 F100 catalog
FTE 61-79 - Horse power
Re: FTE 61-79 - Horse power
Re: FTE 61-79 - driveshaft vibration
FTE 61-79 - Springs
Re: FTE 61-79 - freon for factoy AC
Re: FTE 61-79 - freon for factoy AC
FTE 61-79 - A/C Condensers as other things
FTE 61-79 - Re: Vacuum advance
Re: FTE 61-79 - 50 wt Oil
FTE 61-79 - down hill smoker
FTE 61-79 - Turn Signals??
Re: FTE 61-79 - freon for factoy AC
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Vacuum advance
Re: FTE 61-79 - freon for factoy AC
Re: FTE 61-79 - Turn Signals??

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:21:52 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - redline

> I'm thinkin of rebuilding my Autolite I've got sitting in a box from a 65
> Galaxie to put on my 390 in place of my holley ... anyone have any thoughts
> on that ? I've read a few times now that the Autolite is one of the best
> for atomizing the fuel and overall performance. I've got a hefty cam and
> hopefully will have headers by the time its all said and done. Can I
> expect similar performance from both carbs ? (they should both be 600's if
> I read things right)

I personally like the Autolite 4100 better than a Holley. You have a
much more sophisticated design there. What I like about them is they
are really consistant performing once you get one dialed in, and their
mileage is better too. If I weren't running a Q-Jet I'd be running the
4100. I never understood why people put a cheap Holley on in place of
them. The 4100 has adjustable primary AND secondary accellerator pumps,
you can fiddle with them and get more power and better mileage than a
Holley (non-double pumper)any day. I found a large bore one the other
day, and I may build it for my '65.

Those Sanderson headers are a real piece of work, aren't they? I wish
Ford had made something like that in iron for the bread and butter FE's.
I didn't get the price, does anyone know what they cost? I hate it that
you still have to pull the header to get the starter off, but with a
header like that, wow.
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:46:06 EDT
From: SMOKEY5209 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - driveshaft vibration

This seems like a popular subject anymore. I have a 1970 F100 and I have
vibration at about 40 MPH and up. Before I bought the truck someone had
changed trannys from a 3 on the tree to a T18 four speed. The yoke sticks out
probably 2/3 of the spline shaft. How does one determine the correct length?
The truck is vibration free with a 3/4 ton load....
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:23:25 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Power

> I am going to have a my 360 rebuilt and am looking for ideas in building it.
> I am thinking of putting in a 390 crank shaft, bore about .030 over, flat
> top pistons, put in the hardened valves, and adding a cast 4 barrel intake.
> I am looking for ideas for the right cam and carb for it. I have a C-6 with
> a shift kit and a 370 ratio rear end. I want to have some low end torque but
> also want to be able to run some R's also want a nice rumble. If you have
> any ideas please post them thanks

If you intend to build your 360 into a 390, you'll need both the crank
and rods. The rods on a 390 are a little shorter and stouter. Have a
set of quality rod bolts put in too.

Power from an FE is pretty straight forward. The best standard bread
and butter 390 heads are the '61-'65 352/390 Galaxie head. With the
exception of the valve diameters and bowl detail they are alot like a
428CJ head. (I can't see any difference, myself) Next are the '66-'70
4bbl Galaxie head. The same head came on some 2bbl models, but for
performance use, avoid the 2bbl heads with the downsized intake port.
(they were the '68-'70 regular fuel 2bbl head, these work really well
for towing, likely the the best FE head for the job IMHO) The main
difference between the '61-'65 and the '66-'70 heads is that the earlier
head has a better exhaust port.

TRW makes a forged flat-top that will give you around 9.5 - 10 to 1 CR.
They have oil-return slots around the pins, and can be set up like a
cast-piston clearance wise. (.0015-.0025) They are the L2291F that's
been around for ages. Good pistons, and not overpriced. Summit has
them.

With this much compression, you want more cam duration to bleed off a
little bit of it down low to avoid detonation. My favorite is the 428CJ
grind, still available from Lunati. If you go to their website you'll
find their specs. It has a nice power band, and gives a sweet exhaust
note. You can use other cams, but I wouldn't go any shorter than 270
degrees duration, or you'll have pinging, or over 290, because you'll
shorten the power band too much, pushing it up too high for street use.
The early heads don't really need a split pattern cam but 5 degrees more
exhaust wouldn't hurt. The later ones could use 5-10 degrees more
exhaust pretty well.

5500-6000 rpms is all these engines need to wind, and with a few oiling
system mods, and good shortblck prep and machine work, they can do it
reliably. Search the archives and you'll find info on doing up the
oiling system, we've pretty well wrung out the subject in previous
threads.
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:17:16 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - freon for factoy AC

propane is one is one the best things that can be used in air conditioners,
except or the fact that its flamable. If you ever see anything called
Freeze12, its basically freon..

Cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 06:43 PM 4/20/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> I am trying to getting my factory air in my 71 Ranger XLT and have seen all
>> the adds about AC systems. The quetion I have is with the price of R12
being
>> so high have any of you converted to the new substutute. If so how does it
>
>R134 works good, however you need to be carefull with the installation.
>The oils used with the new refrigerents are NOT compatible with freon,
>and oil break down will cause compressor failure.
>
>> work? I have also heard about useing propane as a substutute. Does this
>> work? Thanks for the help
>
>Propane has been banned for use in auto A/C in many states, due to
>perceived safety risks and possible contamination of recycled R12
>stocks. For other alternatives to R-12, check out George Gobel's
>work at:
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autofrost.com/
>--
>Pat Brown , who has no connections to George or his products
>Sebastopol, California
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:22:58 -0700
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - up the creek.........

While servicing the front wheel bearings last night I noticed a groove cut
into one of the spindles where the inner bearing race had spun. It looked
pretty bad and couldnt set the bearings right on that wheel. Even if I
overtightened them, there was still a lot of play. Figured it needed a new
spindle and would pick one up from the dealer today. Well guess
what..............they're no longer available from Ford {8^( Does anyone
know of another source for NEW spindles? Can the old ones be rebuilt? Any
other options?
Smeck,
79 F100
FTE "Brain Trust"

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:30:24 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - redline

>much more sophisticated design there. What I like about them is they
>are really consistant performing once you get one dialed in, and their
>mileage is better too.

So how hard are they to dial in ? Vacuum gauge make it pretty easy ?
(gotta get some pics for that page somehow :)

I never understood why people put a cheap Holley on in place of
>them.

Because when you pay less than 50 bucks for an intake and carb, how well do
you expect that carb to run ? I needed the truck running again too, so I
just put the autolite (tag still intact!) in the holley box and put it up
on the shelf. Sometime this summer I'll pull it back down and let it soak
in gasoline/cleaner for a while and see if I can't pry 35 years of muck off
of it ...

>Those Sanderson headers are a real piece of work, aren't they? I wish
>Ford had made something like that in iron for the bread and butter FE's.
>I didn't get the price, does anyone know what they cost?

If you hit their web site they have prices ... seems like about 200 for the
uncoated and 400 for the coated.


I hate it that
>you still have to pull the header to get the starter off, but with a
>header like that, wow.

My thoughts too, though I've only had to pull the starter once, pulled it
one other time, but it wasn't the problem.

Which reminds me I need to get my neutral starter safety switch fixed one
of these days ... someone said that the piece in the steering column just
pops out ... looks more to me like they are soldered in ... oh well, I'll
come up with something ...

Thanks for all the info.


Thanks,
wish
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:32:12 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmission mounts

>>There is a cast bracket with two legs bolted somewhere
>>between the transfer case and transmission. I think this
>>only applies if you have a C6.
>>The legs sit on two big cylindrical shaped rubber mounts
>>that sit on top of the crossmember.

>This sounds a heck of a lot like how the NP435/NP208
>bolts onto my '83 F150 ... You might want to have a look
>at the salvage yards to determine if this setup will work for
>you. If it looks compatible, you might be able to get this
>new from the local Ford dealer or auto parts store.
>

I called up my former manager, a great guy, and asked him to peek through
his books for something. He came up negative on what we need. He even
scanned through a couple pages of just pictures to see if he could pick it
out ... no dice ... so I don't really know where to try other than a dealer
now ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:34:16 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428

At 10:02 PM 4/20/99 , you wrote:
>I am just curious about a 428. I have a slightly modified 390 in my 1970
>F250 and would like to build up a 428. If I had one. Are they hard to
>find, or is the 390 better? Please fill me in.
>

As someone said, expect to pay for the 428, they are pricey compared with
the other FE's. And for good reason, they are huge after all...but unless
you're going for the "I have a 428" awe inspiring phrase, then I would bet
a well built 390 would do you just as well ...

It all depends on what you're trying to do with the truck ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:45:55 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - building a 360

>I am going to have a my 360 rebuilt and am looking for ideas in building it.
>I am thinking of putting in a 390 crank shaft, bore about .030 over, flat
>top pistons, put in the hardened valves, and adding a cast 4 barrel intake.

This will give you a really high compression ratio ... especially if you
need the block or heads shaved to keep them flat ... if you can find nice
high octane gas, then more power to you (literally), but if not, you will
risk pinging ... someone mentioned and covered this already though, just be
aware of it.

>I am looking for ideas for the right cam and carb for it.

I'm building up a similar engine (one of these days I WILL finish it!), and
ran all the calculations for carb, to rev up to 5000+revs you need
something like 630 CFM, so I'm just gonna stick with my 600 Holley for now,
possibly go to an autolite that I have sitting off to the side later. This
should be plenty of carb for street use, and not so large that it floods
out when you goose it ... as for cam specs, if you hit my rebuild page
(www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/rebuild.html) you will find the specs on the
cam I'm using, unfortunately I can't give you any feedback on it because I
don't have it installed yet....


I have a C-6 with
>a shift kit and a 370 ratio rear end. I want to have some low end torque but
>also want to be able to run some R's also want a nice rumble.

The rumble will come with a decent exhaust system and cam. The R's will
come with a good intake and exhaust ... you might consider the Sanderson
headers that Mark has on his truck if you have a 4x4, if you have a 4x2,
there are lots of long tubes that will fit up under the truck nicely. If
you are trying to run more R's too, you may consider bumping to a 650 or so
on the carb.

>71 Ranger XLT
>67 Mustang Convertible

*drool* one of my FAVORITE Mustangs of all time ....




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Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:54:40 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FREE 1999 53-72 F100 catalog

Dennis Pearson
616 S Beech St
Kennewick, WA 99336

Thanks!

Thanks for your message at 07:28 PM 4/20/99 -0400, Ronald D. Miller. Your
message was:
>Email me your address for a free copy of Auto Krafters' new 53-72 F-series
>catalog just back from the printers. If you have purchased from us in the
>last 12 monthes a copy is already on the way to you. Thanks, Ron Miller
>akraft shentel.net www.auto krafters. com
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:56:09 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FREE 1999 53-72 F100 catalog

Ooops! That last post was a bonehead rookie(FNG) error. Sorry.
Dennis L. Pearson

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:10:38 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: BFG Mud Terrains

My experience has been that they seem to wear quickly. They are great when
you first put them on because they are so quite for such and aggressive
tire.....but after about 5k miles, you start turning the stereo up a little
higher each trip....

But as advertized, and as a knowledgable kid like Marino will tell you, they
are GREAT in the mud.....

CJ
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:10:18 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 6 cyl dual exhaust

The great thing about Tony's statement below:

>If you're in Ohio, you're more than welcom to come hear either one!

Is that you actually don't even have to be in Ohio to hear it the 78.....I
think folks in Pennsylvania can hear him coming........clear from Akron!!!!

GOTCHA buddy!

CJ

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:10:31 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428

Hi Jerry,

Well, I'm building two of these motors.....over the long haul. Parts are
available, but hard to find, and hence, significantly more expensive than the
390 stuff. I currently have a strong 390 and it flys with 3:50
gears....trying to imagine what these 28's are going to do.....

Send me a message if you have any more questions and I can let you know what
I"ve been through so far....

CJ



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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:10:25 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - redline

>Even when I leaned on it, I could barely get it past 4K rpm.

In fact, Dave R. lets his engine DOWN from redline every now and then, but
only when he has to......

CJ (grandpa driver)
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:30:24 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: BFG Mud Terrains

>My experience has been that they seem to wear quickly. They are great when
>you first put them on because they are so quite for such and aggressive
>tire.....but after about 5k miles, you start turning the stereo up a little
>higher each trip....

I would have to agree about the BFG Mudders here also with what CJ says--
They definitly wear on a logarithmic scale. I've had 2 sets of Mudders,
and 2 sets of Allterrains, and as far as street driving goes on the
mudders, you can expect a little wonder out of them after they are burnt
about half way down, and a little noise. Both sets lasted me about 35,000
miles though. Now if you put them to use for what they were designed for
- -- as in offroad, I've never seen anything better!!! (tried wranglers,
firestone atx's, dunlops, mickey thompsons, trailhandlers) Nothing compares
to how the BFG's dig it up. 8-) Beware of street driving with a light
snow - they are miniature slicks on asphalt! I'd highly recommend them
if you are going to be doing the 'casual' offroad use, but keep in mind, if
you don't really need it, the Allterrains are a quality "overall"
performing tire that ain't that bad in the mud either! 8-)
(BTW- BFG was bought out by Michelin years ago)

Tony Marino
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At 10:10 AM 4/21/99 -0400, you wrote:
>But as advertized, and as a knowledgable kid like Marino will tell you, they
>are GREAT in the mud.....
>
>CJ

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:46:05 PDT
From: "steve potratz"
Subject: [none]

















There are several acceptable replacement refrigerants to R-12. They
are all azeotropes which means that they are a mixture of several
componenents. The components have different boiling points. When
they boil off in the cooling coil they boil at different
temperatures. The things to consider are what is the status of your
present A/C unit? If it is just low on gas then removing the R12,
replacing it with Penzoil FR-12 is an easy switch. We have several
fleet vehicles where I work that they have changed with no problems.
If the compressor is shot, it is a different mater. In a truck the
interrior volume is so small that I would convert to 134a. There is a
company called Everco which has replacement parts to convert systems
for nearly every vehicle on the road. First thing is to remove the
old oil from the system-They have solvent system to do this. Replace
the oil with a synthetic refrigerant oil. Then the fittings need to
be changed to 134a fittings. Have the system pumped down and charge
it. On a car or particularly a van I would also replace the condensor
in front of the radiator with one about 20% larger to keep the
pressures from getting too high.

If you want to discuss this in more detail Email me

Steve

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:01:58 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428

At 08:34 AM 21/04/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>As someone said, expect to pay for the 428, they are pricey compared with
>the other FE's. And for good reason, they are huge after all...but unless
>you're going for the "I have a 428" awe inspiring phrase, then I would bet
>a well built 390 would do you just as well ...
>


Oh yeah? Well, "I have a 410!"


Nyah, nyah!


marko :^)

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:06:56 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Intake and heads for an FE 360

Earlier, I wrote....

> > I'll be working on my 69 F250 360 auto soon. The 2 bbl intake
manifold
> >will be replaced with a cast iron 4 bbl with Holley carb, and the heads
are
> >going to get new valve stem seals.
> >

then Marko replies....

> First of all, I'd buy a book if I were you, called "How to rebuild Big
> Block Ford Engines" by Steve Christ, HP Books, ISBN 0-89586-070-8

Thanks for the advice Marko

I ordered the book from the local book store using the ISBN # and found that
it's a great book for under $20 for anyone working on an FE or FT engine.


Danger
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:35:38 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428

>Oh yeah? Well, "I have a 410!"
>
>
>Nyah, nyah!
>
>
410 ? What the **** is that ?

just kidding, but a much less known engine, doesn't quite bring the dropped
jaws or stares of a 428...


Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have either one...



Just my 2cents

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:44:16 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428

At 11:35 AM 4/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>Oh yeah? Well, "I have a 410!"
>>
>>Nyah, nyah!
>>
>410 ? What the **** is that ?
>
>just kidding, but a much less known engine, doesn't quite bring the dropped
>jaws or stares of a 428...
>
>Don't get me wrong, I'd love to have either one...
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>wish


You mean they make motors with more than 6 pistons? ;-)

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:06:45 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428

>
>You mean they make motors with more than 6 pistons? ;-)
>
>Tony


Yeah and they come stock with 4 barrels too!


marko :^)

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:01:41 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428

From: Jerry Barr
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428

I am just curious about a 428. I have a slightly modified 390 in my 1970
F250 and would like to build up a 428. If I had one. Are they hard to
find, or is the 390 better? Please fill me in.

Thanks,

Jerry

- --------
Jerry,
Popular Hot Rodding published an article on this 2 months ago. In it they
talk about the longer stroke of the 428 (longer than a 427) producing good
torque for moving heavy cars. They also mention the rarity of good blocks.
In their build up they used a 390 block and bored it .080 over to obtain the
proper bore for a 428. The problem with this (and they talked about it) is
the FE block is known for its thin wall casting which may not be suitable
for an overbore of this magnitude. Some others on this list have been
talking about a 410 which I think was a 428 crank in a 390 block. The
advantage here would be longer stroke for more cubes greater torque and not
having the danger of ruining a good 390 block with an overbore.

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:44:30 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428

>You mean they make motors with more than 6 pistons? ;-)
>
>Tony


Yup ...just think what you could do if you put two of your favorite motor
together ?

Can you say GT 90 ?

:)


Just my 2cents

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Date: Sun, 18 Apr 1999 04:58:26 PDT
From: "MARTY COLMAN"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE p/s

I would prefer the ham can pump, but are the brackets easy to find?

It wouldn't be much trouble to locate a round pump, but the ham can
would look better and be more convenient. I'll have to see which
brackets I can come up with.

Thank you for your help, I appreciate it.

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:07:32 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wondering about a 428

>--------
>Jerry,
>Popular Hot Rodding published an article on this 2 months ago. In it they
>talk about the longer stroke of the 428 (longer than a 427) producing good
>torque for moving heavy cars. They also mention the rarity of good blocks.
>In their build up they used a 390 block and bored it .080 over to obtain the
>proper bore for a 428. The problem with this (and they talked about it) is
>the FE block is known for its thin wall casting which may not be suitable
>for an overbore of this magnitude. Some others on this list have been
>talking about a 410 which I think was a 428 crank in a 390 block. The
>advantage here would be longer stroke for more cubes greater torque and not
>having the danger of ruining a good 390 block with an overbore.
>
>Tom H.

If you bore it 30 over (common for a rebuild) you'll end up with about 417
cubes. You will be able to detroit balance the reciprocating assembly by
weighting/unweighting the flywheel only. No need to do the balancer.

The 428 usually has a counterweighted flywheel and balancer.

marko

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:53:54 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - boom

>>Someone donated an old DeSoto, not running.

That's one reason the first thing you do on an unknown non-runner is change
the oil.

- -John

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:56:09 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - driveshaft vibration

>>I usually end up have to by
two U-joints for the bottom of the driveshaft to make one that has the
proper width with the proper size bearing cups...

Me too, Dave.

- -John

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:56:11 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - redline

Wish, your answer made perfect sense, I just asked the wrong question. What
I was really wanting to know, you answered. If 5k can be expected easily,
then my stupidity in buying a fan limited to 4500 rpm may eventually come
back to haunt me, which is really what I wanted to know.

Dave, thanks, this is what I suspected also. I guess when I buy a new 4
barrel carb I better figure on a new fan, too.

- -John

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:28:54 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 428

"I am just curious about a 428. I have a slightly modified 390 in my
1970 250 and would like to build up a 428. If I had one. Are they hard
to find, or is the 390 better? Please fill me in."

Not a darn thing wrong with either one.For some reason 428 cranks are
easier to find than 428 blocks.
One way to go is to put a 428 crank in your 390 and end up with 410
cubic inches of FE power.This is thoroughly covered in the archives.
Another option is a 410 Mercury engine.
After swapping a 390 out and a 428 into my truck I didn't notice the
huge increase in power I was hoping for,but it did seem to have more
power.Then I hooked up to my traveltrailer.Major difference in pulling
power.Some hills I pulled in third gear w/390 were now passable in fouth
gear with 428.
I would say if you can find a 428 or 410,go for it.
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:50:48 -0800
From: "Terry Pendergrass"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FREE 1999 53-72 F100 catalog

I would like one of your catalogs.

Thank You,
Terry Pendergrass
932 E 6th Place
Mesa, AZ 85203

'65 Ford F100
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:11:32 -0800
From: "Terry Pendergrass"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FREE 1999 53-72 F100 catalog


- --

On Wed, 21 Apr 1999 06:56:09 Dennis Pearson wrote:
> Ooops! That last post was a bonehead rookie(FNG) error. Sorry.

Yeah, me too!

Sorry
Terry
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:09:09 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - redline

Muel, thanks. Good info

- -John

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:28:55 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - driveshaft vibration

You guys might check out your local bearing shop. Take your drive shaft and
a u-joint that fits the dif. side. with you. They can mic
this and come up with a u-joint that fits. They have a book of different
combination of sizes.

Larry



At 01:56 PM 4/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>>I usually end up have to by
>two U-joints for the bottom of the driveshaft to make one that has the
>proper width with the proper size bearing cups...
>
>Me too, Dave.
>
>-John
>
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:32:29 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FREE 1999 53-72 F100 catalog

Terry

I believe Ron wanted you to mail it to his Email address listed at the end
on statement.



At 06:50 AM 4/21/99 -0800, you wrote:
> I would like one of your catalogs.
>
>Thank You,
>Terry Pendergrass
>932 E 6th Place
>Mesa, AZ 85203
>
>'65 Ford F100
>--
>
>On Tue, 20 Apr 1999 19:28:49 Ronald D. Miller wrote:
>>Email me your address for a free copy of Auto Krafters' new 53-72 F-series
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>>last 12 monthes a copy is already on the way to you. Thanks, Ron Miller
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:46:19 EDT
From: monkey352 juno.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Horse power

Hi,
Does anyone know how much horsepower and at what RPM a 223 straight six
has?

Thanks,

Jonathan

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:59:32 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Horse power

In a message dated 4/21/99 4:55:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
monkey352 juno.com writes:

> Does anyone know how much horsepower and at what RPM a 223 straight six
> has?


According to my sources for 1961-64 F-series equipped with the 223 cid 6 cyl.
the gross HP is 135 4000 and the net HP is 114 at 3,600. This is for a
stock engine.


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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:27:11 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - driveshaft vibration

At 03:28 PM 21/04/99 -0500, you wrote:
>You guys might check out your local bearing shop. Take your drive shaft and
>a u-joint that fits the dif. side. with you. They can mic
>this and come up with a u-joint that fits. They have a book of different
>combination of sizes.
>
> Larry
>


The stock replacement U joints for all ford pu's are Federal Mogul 20049's.


marko

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:08:01 -0700
From: "Brandt, Chris"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Springs

Going to open up a can of worms with this one....

I have a 78 F250 4x4, Dana 60 Front end, factory dual batteries, A/C, tranny
cooler....the works. It is the 8400 lb GVW package. I have noticed that my
drivers side front spring has sagged about an inch more than the passengers
side. Time to replace the front springs....I would like to accomplish three
things with the swap.

First; is to soften the ride of the truck, I have ridden in the baby
F250 (6700 lb GVW) and they ride much smoother than this one. Does anybody
have a set they took out when they lifted their truck ? A bit more on this
line, I am assuming that the F250 springs are the same regardless of what
the axle is.....correct ? And for the really dedicated F250 guy, did the
spring rates change depending on how the truck was optioned, ie A/C vs. non
A/C etc, inside the same GVW code. If so how much. (not asking much here..)
The wild card here is an F150 4x4 Super cab, leaf sprung but what was the
spring rate ?

Second; Want to lift the front about 2" over stock, just want the
truck level. No rocket science here but nobody makes a 2" lift for this
chassis. I want to put an add-a-leaf on the lightest factory spring and
hopefully level the truck at a lower spring rate that I currently have.
Would rather be nose down than rough....

Third, would like a bit more articulation. I am not building a rock
crawler here, but I am tired of the doors binding with one front tire on a
curb. The spring and swaybar combination is so effective on this thing that
an 8" block under one tire will lift the other one of the ground..... Great
for carrying a camper but poor for doing everything else. (would out corner
a buddys Trans Am but thats another story...)


Thats the non-lifted part of the story. If I can't find or do what I nned
here I have considered one of the 4" "softride" style lift kits. If anybody
has run one of these I am interested in hearing about the plusses and
minuses..

Thanks
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:58:18 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - freon for factoy AC

In a message dated 4/21/99 6:14:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
cannandale netpointe.com writes:


conditioners, >>


DO NOT DO THIS!! Dayton is right when he says it is flammable, but I wanna
add to it. Dont for one instance EVER consider using this stuff. All you
have to do is get a small leak in the evap. and next thing ya know, BOOM. At
the very least, you'll be painting your eyebrows on for the rest of your
life. Also steer away from Mexican R-12, which is (By my sources) up to 50%
propane.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:41:12 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - freon for factoy AC

ack!!! i mean the Freeze12 is basically PROPANE, and not to give people the
wrong idea, it is best CHEMICALLY for a air condition, but I would never
use it, just the heat from the engine with a small leak would be basically
like having a gas leak on your furnace and lighting a match..

Cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 09:13 AM 4/21/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>propane is one is one the best things that can be used in air conditioners,
>except or the fact that its flamable. If you ever see anything called
>Freeze12, its basically freon..
>
>Cannandale
>'78 F250 4x4, 460
>
>At 06:43 PM 4/20/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>> I am trying to getting my factory air in my 71 Ranger XLT and have seen
all
>>> the adds about AC systems. The quetion I have is with the price of R12
>being
>>> so high have any of you converted to the new substutute. If so how does it
>>
>>R134 works good, however you need to be carefull with the installation.
>>The oils used with the new refrigerents are NOT compatible with freon,
>>and oil break down will cause compressor failure.
>>
>>> work? I have also heard about useing propane as a substutute. Does this
>>> work? Thanks for the help
>>
>>Propane has been banned for use in auto A/C in many states, due to
>>perceived safety risks and possible contamination of recycled R12
>>stocks. For other alternatives to R-12, check out George Gobel's
>>work at:
>>
>>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autofrost.com/
>>--
>>Pat Brown , who has no connections to George or his products
>>Sebastopol, California
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:47:16 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A/C Condensers as other things

I was out looking through some of my junk today and noticed I had a couple
of old a/c condensers off a '74 F100 and a VW Rabbit, basically the same
size and all. anyways, i know that they are both still good and was
wondering if possibly these could be used as BIG tranny or oil coolers. I
dont see why they wouldnt work, and they would add a lot of volume to
whatever you are cooling. If this would work, im going to run it as a
tranny cooler because I have pulled enough more than one that I had to pull
over every so often to let the tranny cool off...

Cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460


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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:56:16 -0600
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Vacuum advance

Pat Brown wrote:


>Monitor the timing with your light while 'pulling a vacuum' on
>the advance. You should be able to get 15-20 degrees (anyone
>have a real number here?) advance at maximum.

Uh oh, I thought that was supposed to be 10 degrees initial, and around 30 with the vacuum on. Err...do I need to fix mine??

Thanks for the help,

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 21:29:47 -0500
From: "ted barnes"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 50 wt Oil

- -----Original Message-----
From: William L. Ballinger
To: Ford Truck Enthusiasts
Date: Friday, April 16, 1999 6:23 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 50 wt Oil



i found 50 wt oil at autozone--also lots of parts for my 65 F100


>>
>> I was also wanting to know where to get that 50 weight oil for the
tranny. I sent a reply to one of them but never seen it return to me, so
must not have went out.
>
>I use Mobiltrans SHC50 in my NP435 and Dana 24 transfer case. I also
>use Mobilube 75-90 EP gear oil in my drives. Both are synthetic. The
>SHC50 is made for Eatons and Roadrangers, but is indicated for any
>application that calls for a high quality non EP gear oil. (or engine
>oil) I got mine from the fleet service shop of the company I used to
>work for (they closed the place) but I'd say any place that services
>over the road trucks would have it.
>
>The difference, especially in cool weather is nothing short of amazing.
>It performs on a 30 degree day at start-up like on a 90 degree day that
>you've driven around some. It took alot of strain off the geartrain
>under anything but fully warmed up on a warm day conditions, and I
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:19:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: TheFORDMAN webtv.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - down hill smoker

hey all ford guys out there
heres one to tickle your brain with !!!
on my way to truck driving school
(big rigs) i came down this long down grade when i got to the bottom i
missed
a gear (typical as i do that every day)
i looked in my pass. side mirror and low and behold , a nice cloud of
smoke kinda looked blue but it was dark. keep in mind
that i just rebuilt the top end and replaced
the valve seals. when i had the top end off i could still see cross
hatch in the cylinders and no piston slop at top or bottom or heavy
ridge either!!!! this engineis a 75 FT 390 105 casting
any ideas
one baffled ford truck lover
Eric aka
THE FORDMAN

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:04:11 -0700
From: "Terry Pendergrass"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Turn Signals??

Does anybody know why when I turn on my turn signal and then step on the brake the turn signal quits signalling turns? ;) It works fine as long as I keep my foot off of the brake, it's just pretty hard to master that.

Thanks in advance,
Terry
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 02:20:21 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - freon for factoy AC

In a message dated 4/21/99 5:06:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
JUMPINFORD aol.com writes:


wanna
add to it. Dont for one instance EVER consider using this stuff. All you
have to do is get a small leak in the evap. and next thing ya know, BOOM.
At
the very least, you'll be painting your eyebrows on for the rest of your
life. Also steer away from Mexican R-12, which is (By my sources) up to 50%
propane. >>

To each his own, but there are some alternatives to F12. Yes, propane
works.. And for those of you who say it is flammable yes, it is. But you
use only about half the amount that you would F12 so you end up with maybe 15
to 20 ounces in the system. That is not much considering it is enclosed
without oxygen. Now if it all leaked into your closed garage over night it
is such a small amount that it does not create a hazard. If you want to get
burned try the gasoline. Beyond pure propane is some stuff I've been using
for several years, and so are the farmers near here in their field equipment.
It is called DURACOOL, and made in Edmonton, Canada (not propane, but
probably close). Costs $12 for a 6oz can that is equivalent to 17 oz of F12.
It is good and safe to temperatures of 1627 degrees F, but you should not
expose it directly to flame because it will burn. Creates less head,
compressor works less lasts longer, increases capacity (carries more load).
Why, then you ask is it not used in the US?? I believe it is purely
economics with the US companies making the various freons, (Trade name of
DuPont) they do not want a cheap substitute for their livelihood.
Organizations like ASHRE work hand in hand with the manufactures and they
provide a lot of free or almost free training nationwide (very good training)
but I think a small part of their agenda is to keep the HVAC people against
the idea of using this very cost effective, environmentally safe, and
physically safe product from putting the hurts on R134a manufactures.
(Discredit the alternatives by turning them into jokes) For any one who
thinks Freon is safe, try blowing some in your face while inhaling on a
cigarette, it may be your last breath as the heat from will convert it to
phosgene gas which will promptly kill you. And last, the process used to
make the various Freons is one where methane or ethane (very close to
propane) is Haligenated (chlorine and or Fluorine is attached to the
monocule) this makes it less flammable but much more toxic. Please use your
own judgment, but as for me I think the Canadians have the right idea. I
fully respect the ideas of those of you who are against the alternatives. I,
for one will not use natural gas or propane to heat with in my house, it
scares me, and I am definitely not in favor of using this product on a large
unit (such as 5 pound charge or more). This I do believe is a fire hazard,
but not in the very small quantities we use in our trucks and cars. Thanks
for your patience.
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:37:30 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Vacuum advance

Drew asked:
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> Pat Brown scribbled:
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> >Monitor the timing with your light while 'pulling a vacuum' on
> >the advance. You should be able to get 15-20 degrees (anyone....


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