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61-79-list-digest Tuesday, April 20 1999 Volume 03 : Number 134 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 61-79 - 64 223 6-cyl, gas in oil pan FTE 61-79 - 6 cyl dual exhaust Re: FTE 61-79 - 64 223 6-cyl, gas in oil pan FTE 61-79 - Re: Driveshaft vibration, clutch chatter ... FTE 61-79 - RE:360FE Swap Re: FTE 61-79 - Why I love this group FTE 61-79 - Removing AC FTE 61-79 - 350 vs 500 CFM Holley Re: FTE 61-79 - Dual Exhaust Re: FTE 61-79 - hello from new poster Re: FTE 61-79 - Removing AC Re: FTE 61-79 - 64 223 6-cyl, gas in oil pan FTE 61-79 - redline FTE 61-79 - Automotive Literature - Was: Owners Manual FTE 61-79 - Transmission mounts - Was: Motor Mounts for 390 FE FTE 61-79 - Power Steering [none] Re: FTE 61-79 - 6 cyl dual exhaust FTE 61-79 - Re: Re: FTE 61-79 - Removing AC Re: FTE 61-79 - redline FTE 61-79 - FE p/s FTE 61-79 - Re: (no subject) Re: FTE 61-79 - redline Re: FTE 61-79 - FE p/s Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: (no subject) FTE 61-79 - Ford Red Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Red FTE 61-79 - 2 hose modulators Re: FTE 61-79 - Motor Mounts for 390 FE Re: FTE 61-79 - 64 223 6-cyl, gas in oil pan Re: FTE 61-79 - Motor Mounts for 390 FE Re: FTE 61-79 - FE p/s FTE 61-79 - Ham Can P/S FTE 61-79 - Re: your mail FTE 61-79 - air compressor FTE 61-79 - swap Re: FTE 61-79 - 360FE Swap Re: FTE 61-79 - swap Re: FTE 61-79 - swap Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: your mail Re: FTE 61-79 - air compressor Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Red Re: FTE 61-79 - air compressor Re: FTE 61-79 - redline Re: FTE 61-79 - redline FTE 61-79 - freon for factoy AC FTE 61-79 - building a 360 ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 04:54:57 PDT From: "Park Hunter" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 64 223 6-cyl, gas in oil pan Thanks for the advice several weeks ago about my weak-running engine. The weather finally got nice enough/I finally had enough time to work on it some more. Checked compression in all cylinders (excellent), changed plugs and whoa! mama! it runs! Some of the plugs were pretty black and #6 looked slightly oily. Not great news, but for the amount of use this good ol' beater sees, I can change/clean plugs once in a while. Seems like gasoline is getting into the oil pan. I assumed this was because of the heavy choke I had to run under before I got the plugs changed. However I changed the oil at the same time as the plugs and have been able to run little/no choke since. It looks like the oil is getting diluted again. I suspect the fuel pump as a culprit. Any place else that gasoline could leak down into the oil pan? Park Hunter ============================================================ M. Park Hunter, Information Systems Coordinator Metropolitan School District of Warren County 1222 South St. Rd. 263, West Lebanon, IN 47991 765/893-4525 (phone) phunter [208.18.240.10] 765/275-5764 (pager) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://208.18.240.10/is/index.htm "Not THAT button! Don't push THAT button! Aaauugghh!" ============================================================ _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:10:20 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - 6 cyl dual exhaust > one question about exhaust. i have a 300 ci 6 cylinder in a 78 F-150 and it > is in need of a new exhaust system. it has the stock exhaust components on > it now and i was looking into putting duals on it but i wonder what it would > sound like. i don't want it to sound sorry since it is a 6 cylinder. what > are some possilbe setups for the best sound i can get out of my exhaust > system. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'm no 6 cylinder afficianado, but it would seem to me that if you could get a split exhaust manifold, and run a pair of 2 inch pipes at least back to the muffler you'd have to gain something. You wouldn't need duals all the way out the back, you cou'd run a dual inlet/single outlet muffler with a 2 3/4 or 3 inch tailpipe. It should sound pretty good. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:15:55 EDT From: TBeeee aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 64 223 6-cyl, gas in oil pan In a message dated 4/20/99 7:58:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, phunter_msdwc hotmail.com writes: > > I suspect the fuel pump as a culprit. Any place else that gasoline > could leak down into the oil pan? > Park: Cylinder blow by might dilute your gas if you have one (or more) that isn't firing. However, you usually do not see that causing a rapid dilution of your oil. From what I gather break-down occurred rather quickly since your oil change. There isn't any other place you can get the gas from. Therefore, I'd say either you have gremlins or your fuel pump is shot. Stock Man (a/k/a Thom B.) 1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/tbeeee/page/index.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:44:08 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Driveshaft vibration, clutch chatter ... > Be nice to your truck, stop giving it The Finger and get a diaphragm type > clutch assembly. > Have your flywheel machined flat. If you want a really good clutch, get a > Centerforce. And make sure that those cam plugs (on the back of the motor > behind the metal divider plate) aren't leaking. But even if they seep a > bit, and the rear main seal seeps a bit, the diaphragm clutch shouldn't > chatter for a long, long, long time. Mine still doesn't chatter after > 30,000 miles and it wasn't new to start with. The Finger chattered after > literally 100 miles! I've always liked diaphram clutch covers for street driving myself. I think that the biggest reason they haven't gained wide acceptance is that they would hang up (not engage) if you got the vehicle in a certain twisted position that caused the linkage to overcenter the diaphram. I've actually hung them up bad enough to have to pull the truck (Brand X) out of the twist and crawl underneath and pull on the linkage to free it up. I've never had that problem with a 3 finger. The Centerforce is supposed to resist this problem with it's weights on the fingers that use centrifugal force to pull the fingers out, I've never tried one but it sounds good. The way I see it, is if you don't drag race or go out in the woods and twist the truck around alot, the diaphram style is the way to go. If you do then a Centerforce might be called for, or the old "Finger." == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:20:10 -0500 From: Don Yerhot Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:360FE Swap Sparky, The biggest problem you may have is finding a rear sump oil pan. I installed a 75 351W into a 82 F150 and had to use a rear sump oil pan from a van to clear the crossmember. The passenger side exhaust manifold, (Manifolds also from a van, 69 vintage) was also a real tight against the frame. The frame mounts (to engine) from a small block would probably work, but the engine will sit about 1.5 inches too low. This would be a fun swap, but it's definitely not a bolt in. Good Luck! DonY 65F250-351W-435NP 74F100-351W-3 On the Tree I was just wondering if anyone knows if a 360FE with auto tranny could be succcessfully transplanted into a 80ish F Series? If so what problems could I expect? The 360 is presently in my 73 F350 parts truck so I have access to all the motor mounts, brackets, etc, etc. As far as that goes the entire running gear is in excellant shape in the F350, so I would like to use it. The intended patient belongs to a friend of a friend so the truck details are a little sketchy at this early stage, I havent even seen it yet :^) It is an early 80's vintage with a dead engine, possibly a 300/6cyl. The price is right and I cant resist a bargain :) Besides it would be nice to get another FE back on the road where it belongs. Sparky 73 F250 4x4 390FE 2v == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:24:15 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Why I love this group At 08:58 PM 4/19/99 , you wrote: >Actually, I meant for this post to go directly to the user >and sent it to the group by mistake. This type of post >usually isn't my style. > >Ken Payne > That's okay Ken, I appreciated it. Thanks, wish 73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html 96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:28:04 -0500 From: "Rusty Nail" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Removing AC Has anybody taken off a factory A/C. I took mine off and just disconnected the hoses. Does anybody know if this will effect the cooling system? thanks for the input rusty in kc 77 400m - -- rnail mmgworldwide.com S.Rusty Nail 816.472.5988 ext.183 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:35:22 -0400 From: "Parsons, Raymond" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 350 vs 500 CFM Holley >> After going through all the advice on the list, I've finally determined that my 72 F-100 does, in fact, have a rebuilt 302 engine. It needs a new carb and I've been looking at a model 2300 Holley 2V in either 350 or 500 cfm w/manual choke. If so, will it work for what I need it to do and what cfm will best suit my needs...Thanks in advance>> Bob: I am running a 500 CFM Holley 2300 on a slightly modified 352; once you get it set up it works great. Fuel mileage could be better, but I love the responsiveness. If you are not comfortable tuning one, you will need to find a shop that can as these carbs can be a bear to tune. Ray == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:33:45 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dual Exhaust > i don't want it to sound sorry since it is a 6 cylinder. I don't think I've ever heard a 6 with a split manifold sound sorry ... the 6's that sound sorry to me are the one's that have a single glass pack in the stock exhaust ... that's a sorry sound. Is your truck a stick ? If so, split manifold, some old style glass packs and you'll have all the hot rodders drooling :) But that's just me, I still chuckle when I hear an old Ch*y with a split exhaust manifold on a 6 ... they usually run their pipes pretty small so they'll cackle when they let off, but I imagine with some decent sized pipes you could get some good power through there ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:34:36 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - hello from new poster >the doors and the cab I am hopeing to be finished in July and have it at the >Car craft car show at the Minnesota State fair grounds mid July Hmm...is this the same one that all the hot-rodders go to ? Seems like Dad mentioned one up there, but don't remember the date...who knows maybe we'll see you up there ? Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:37:42 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Removing AC At 08:28 AM 4/20/99 , you wrote: >Has anybody taken off a factory A/C. I took mine off and just disconnected >the hoses. Does anybody know if this will effect the cooling system? > The A/C shouldn't affect the cooling system, unless I'm misunderstanding something, it is pretty much a self contained system. If you disconnected the heater core (the hoses running to the manifold and waterpump from the heater box), then you still won't really affect the cooling system, but you may have a leak if you didn't plug those hoses ... maybe someone else has seen a different system ... Thanks, wish 73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html 96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:15:43 -0700 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 64 223 6-cyl, gas in oil pan Thanks for your message at 04:54 AM 4/20/99 PDT, Park Hunter. Your message was: >Seems like gasoline is getting into the oil pan. I assumed this was >because of the heavy choke I had to run under before I got the plugs >changed. However I changed the oil at the same time as the plugs and >have been able to run little/no choke since. It looks like the oil is >getting diluted again. > >I suspect the fuel pump as a culprit. Any place else that gasoline >could leak down into the oil pan? I would put my money on the fuel pump. I've been told this can get dangerous, but I've never seen an engine explode from the crankcase out....The more I think about it, I guess it could be a problem, not to mention the wear on your bearings, etc... Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA 1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C 1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed 1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) I shortened this to only FT's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:11:04 -0500 From: John LaGrone Subject: FTE 61-79 - redline Dave (or anyone else, but Dave is the undisputed M-block expert), what is redline for a bone stock 79 351M 2V? Round figures will do. TIA. - -John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:23:41 -0700 (PDT) From: draco pacifier.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Automotive Literature - Was: Owners Manual A couple more places to look for auto literature. Logan Gray Beaverton, OR (503) 292-7747 evenings I got a '74 owners manual from them at the Portland Swap meet. Powell's Books Portland, OR www.powells.com This is a huge used bookstore. They keep their database very up to date and it is searchable through the website. I drop in an search for "Ford Truck" every once in a while. Got a complete set of '74 service manuals with not so much as a crease or fingerprint on them for $45. Mark in Southwest Washington www.pacifier.com/~draco - -- '74 F-100 4X4 '74 F-250 Supercab == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 07:25:08 -0700 (PDT) From: draco pacifier.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Transmission mounts - Was: Motor Mounts for 390 FE wish wrote: > I think I got really lucky this time, but it tells me that the > tranny mount is pretty darned strong to start with ... I tried to find transmission mounts for my '74 and the parts stores kept giving me the wrong thing. I ended up at the Ford dealer and he showed me in the microfiche that the mount changed in mid '74 and the earlier one is no longer available from Ford. There is a cast bracket with two legs bolted somewhere between the transfer case and transmission. I think this only applies if you have a C6. The legs sit on two big cylindrical shaped rubber mounts that sit on top of the crossmember. There are no other attaching points for the motor/trans/transfer case. I don't suppose anyone knows where I can get a new set of these mounts? The next thing is when I mated the motor to the tranmission, the whole assembly rocked back on these mounts and I couldn't get the motor mount studs into the holes. Eventually, prying with a 2 x 4 on the back of the engine, they fell in, removing all the threads on one side of one of the studs. I chased it with a die and all is well. Bill, let me know if this happens to you too. Mark in Southwest Washington www.pacifier.com/~draco - -- '74 F-100 4X4 '74 F-250 Supercab == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:51:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford76 webtv.net Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering The pump on my truck has had it. It has a bracket that bolts to another bracket with three bolts and is very easy to change. I do not want to buy a new one can anyone tell me what years are compatible with F250's from 1976? Almost forgot the truck is 2 wheel drive Julia == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:55:10 -0500 From: "John R. Austin" Subject: [none] You guys are so helpful I want to test your knowledge yet again. '67 F100 with rebuilt 300 - After the talk about using a vacuum guage to set carb and timing, I went out and bought one. Reset both carb and timing until I had the highest vacuum (about 20 lbs). Drove it and it was like a new truck! Power, speed, smooth, great! Shut it off and tried to restart - nothing, just the little solenoid click. Messed around thinking it was just a coincidence and decided that starter had chosen that moment to quit. Pulled it off, took it in, got it replaced under warranty. Put on the new one, it started but very, very slowly. Cleaned cables, rebolted solenoid to ground -- better but still very slow turn-over. I began to wonder if changing the timing had done something, so I backed the timing off to where it was before. Started right up but the engine was back to barely running. Now I'm confused. Anybody else encounted this? Thanks, John Our Savior Lutheran Church 1101 Old Cleburne Road Granbury, TX 76048 (817) 573-5011 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www2.itexas.net/~oslc/ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:07:24 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 6 cyl dual exhaust At 07:10 AM 4/20/99 -0500, you wrote: >> one question about exhaust. i have a 300 ci 6 cylinder in a 78 F-150 and it >> is in need of a new exhaust system. it has the stock exhaust components on >> it now and i was looking into putting duals on it but i wonder what it would >> sound like. i don't want it to sound sorry since it is a 6 cylinder. what >> are some possilbe setups for the best sound i can get out of my exhaust >> system. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Think I got this question covered.... 8-) Let's just say that a 300 with Duals sounds like a Cessna taking off, a John Deer Tractor, a Semi-Jake brake, umm.. what else.... 8-) Depending on your TASTE it may sound sorry, or it may sound unique as hell! I've grown to liking it... I think.... My '78 has a clifford 4V intake and dual exhaust manifolds off of a '88 F-150 with fuel injection-- dual mufflers, one turning out each side of the truck in front of the tires. That's the way that I ran my true-duals... Pictures: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony/pics/300-4v.jpg http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony/pics/n12.jpg In my case I used an aftermarket intake which didn't require me to try to fit the newer exh. manifolds to the old style intake-- as long as you can separate the two of the stock ones you have and your intake isn't cracked in the process, I see no reason why you couldn't run with the dual exh. manifolds like I did off of a late model truck. They fit perfectly with nothing special required but deep pockets for a new exh. system. Beware of headers though-- they are a real PAIN to seal, and run right next to the starter. So, to sum up all of my hot air-- My '93 (also a 300-6) has a single 3 inch pipe leading into a 3 chambered CHEBBIE muffler with dual 2 1/2 outlets and then I run the duals straight back-- not a true dual system, but the sound is throaty and deep... Something I never expected. My '78 is personal taste... I'd stick with the single pipe to a large muffler-- you kinda need the airflow to get the resonance tone the muffler is designed to work around. My suggestion is-- don't run true duals, run into a dual muffler for a more desired sound, and don't turn a pipe out to each side, but keep them on the same side of the truck or straight back. Carb'ed 6's run better with single pipe-- true dual I noticed a loss in low end. If you're in Ohio, you're more than welcom to come hear either one! Tony tony pscico.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:09:00 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: >Now I'm confused. Anybody else encounted this? >Thanks, >John > This is very typical of too much advance on the timing ... what happens is you're firing before the piston reaches top dead center, if you are too much before, then the motor is fighting the starter ... ever seen a top fuel dragster, or an old time muscle car with a wicked cam try to start, they barely get rolling and the guy inside is trying to get the revs up as quickly as possible. You'll need to experiment with your timing til you find a point that it will start easily, not ping, and still give you the power you want/need. A good choice might be to warm it up, shut it off, bump the timing to 1/2 way between where it was with the vacuum gauge and stock. If its too slow cranking still, cut the difference in half again ... eventually you'll find a spot you like and can live with for warm starts .. might want to be conservative, as your battery wears down or your plugs do, you'll find that things don't start quite the same. Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:18:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford76 webtv.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Removing AC - --WebTV-Mail-914577650-15441 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit It should run a little a cooler because the condenser will not be heating up anymore Julia - --WebTV-Mail-914577650-15441 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.97) by postoffice-282.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:36:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ford-trucks.com (ford-trucks.com [192.41.63.203]) by mailsorter-101-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id GAA15121; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 06:36:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id JAA27055; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.mmgworldwide.com (mail.mmgworldwide.com [206.229.215.3]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id JAA27029; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:26:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [206.229.215.103] (206.229.215.103) by mail.mmgworldwide.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.1); Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:29:09 +0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 4.5 (0410) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:28:04 -0500 Subject: FTE 61-79 - Removing AC From: "Rusty Nail" To: ford post Mime-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Message-ID: Sender: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Has anybody taken off a factory A/C. I took mine off and just disconnected the hoses. Does anybody know if this will effect the cooling system? thanks for the input rusty in kc 77 400m - -- rnail mmgworldwide.com S.Rusty Nail 816.472.5988 ext.183 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html - --WebTV-Mail-914577650-15441-- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:18:22 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - redline At 09:11 AM 4/20/99 , you wrote: >Dave (or anyone else, but Dave is the undisputed M-block expert), what is >redline for a bone stock 79 351M 2V? Round figures will do. TIA. > Will a 2V 351M pull to the redline ? :) Just kidding. I think your redline would be more dependent on your trust of the guy who was messin with it last ... is everything new ? In good shape ? A little worn ? I think most motors will pull 5,000 pretty easy (V8's that is), runnin over that ? I dunno, with a 2V you're already past your peak power most likely, so there wouldn't be much performance benefit from it ... really for best you want to run just over peak so when you shift you are on the other side of the peak and headed over it again ... Sorry I can't give you a concrete number, but I hope I explained why ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:27:53 PDT From: "MARTY COLMAN" Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE p/s Does your 76 F250 4x4 FE with the newer style pump have the same mounting brackets as the older round pump? Where the brackets bolt together, are there three studs with nuts on the top and a long horizontal bolt that tightens the belt? That is the type bracket that is used for the round pump. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:43:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford76 webtv.net Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: (no subject) - --WebTV-Mail-509340746-12770 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Sorry I missed this thread but what rpm is best when timng by vacuum? Julia - --WebTV-Mail-509340746-12770 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-2.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.96) by postoffice-283.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:06:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ford-trucks.com (ford-trucks.com [192.41.63.203]) by mailsorter-101-2.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id IAA01169; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:06:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id KAA17171; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailhost.itexas.net (mailhost.itexas.net [209.48.241.67]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id KAA17111; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pastor ([209.48.244.155]) by mailhost.itexas.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-49448U5000L500S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:57:55 -0500 Message-ID: From: "John R. Austin" To: "Ford Trucks 61-79" Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:55:10 -0500 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com You guys are so helpful I want to test your knowledge yet again. '67 F100 with rebuilt 300 - After the talk about using a vacuum guage to set carb and timing, I went out and bought one. Reset both carb and timing until I had the highest vacuum (about 20 lbs). Drove it and it was like a new truck! Power, speed, smooth, great! Shut it off and tried to restart - nothing, just the little solenoid click. Messed around thinking it was just a coincidence and decided that starter had chosen that moment to quit. Pulled it off, took it in, got it replaced under warranty. Put on the new one, it started but very, very slowly. Cleaned cables, rebolted solenoid to ground -- better but still very slow turn-over. I began to wonder if changing the timing had done something, so I backed the timing off to where it was before. Started right up but the engine was back to barely running. Now I'm confused. Anybody else encounted this? Thanks, John Our Savior Lutheran Church 1101 Old Cleburne Road Granbury, TX 76048 (817) 573-5011 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www2.itexas.net/~oslc/ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html - --WebTV-Mail-509340746-12770-- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:55:25 -0600 From: "Dave Resch" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - redline >From: John LaGrone >Subject: FTE 61-79 - redline > >what is redline for a bone stock 79 351M 2V? >Round figures will do. TIA. Yo John: I don't know for sure what the redline would be for a 1979 351M. I have seen factory tachometers from '80s trucks w/ M-blocks, and they indicated a 5K to 6K rpm redline. I don't know why they varied. In stock trim, I doubt you could get a 351M up to 5K rpm anyway. W/ the stock carb and intake setup, my 1980 351M 2V would wheeze out of breath by about 3.5K to 4K rpm. Even when I leaned on it, I could barely get it past 4K rpm. Dave R (M-blovck devotee) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:58:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Ford76 webtv.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE p/s - --WebTV-Mail-447744448-10641 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit It does not have the three bolts with nuts on the top or the long tension bolt. It has three bolts on the front bolting to another bracet with a three inch tensioning bolt. Julia - --WebTV-Mail-447744448-10641 Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Message/RFC822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Received: from mailsorter-101-2.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.96) by postoffice-283.iap.bryant.webtv.net; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from ford-trucks.com (ford-trucks.com [192.41.63.203]) by mailsorter-101-2.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8/ms.graham.14Aug97) with ESMTP id IAA19983; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id LAA24835; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:28:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (law-f92.hotmail.com [209.185.131.155]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id LAA24795; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:28:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Authentication-Warning: ford-trucks.com: Host law-f92.hotmail.com [209.185.131.155] claimed to be hotmail.com Received: (qmail 20235 invoked by uid 0); 20 Apr 1999 15:27:54 -0000 Message-ID: Received: from 209.105.59.144 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:27:53 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.105.59.144] From: "MARTY COLMAN" To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE p/s Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 08:27:53 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain Sender: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Precedence: bulk Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Does your 76 F250 4x4 FE with the newer style pump have the same mounting brackets as the older round pump? Where the brackets bolt together, are there three studs with nuts on the top and a long horizontal bolt that tightens the belt? That is the type bracket that is used for the round pump. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html - --WebTV-Mail-447744448-10641-- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:59:36 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: (no subject) At 10:43 AM 4/20/99 , you wrote: > Sorry I missed this thread but what rpm is best when timng by vacuum? > you want your idle set as low as it will go, probably 550-750 when you start, your idle should jump up as you are tuning it, so be sure and set it back down as you go ... I should really get that page up and working properly Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:07:18 -0700 From: John & Iva McKay Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Red When I went to paint my 360 before the install I found paint labeled "Ford Red" at the local Autozone. I'd always seen Ford Blue stuff but never red. Painted my 360 red cause I like the color. Also shows off the valve covers really well. Go to the web site below for a look at "Ford Red." - -- John L. McKay Mesa, Arizona '67 F-100 Custom Cab http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~djspaints/ford.htm Email: djspaints earthlink.net == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:28:29 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Red May have been in reference to the old Ford Tractors-- Such as an 9N or an 8N... 8-) Tony tony pscico.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony At 09:07 AM 4/20/99 -0700, you wrote: >When I went to paint my 360 before the install I found >paint labeled "Ford Red" at the local Autozone. I'd always >seen Ford Blue stuff but never red. Painted my 360 red >cause I like the color. Also shows off the valve covers >really well. Go to the web site below for a look at "Ford Red." >-- >John L. McKay >Mesa, Arizona >'67 F-100 Custom Cab >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~djspaints/ford.htm >Email: djspaints earthlink.net >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 09:48:27 PDT From: "bill comstock" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 2 hose modulators I have the 2 vacuum hoses coming from the modulator on my FMX. One of them is directly to manifold vacuum, the other to carb I believe. Am I correct in thinking this was to aid in deceleration? That is the effect when vac lines are routed the same way the donor('73 ranchero) was. Works very well when coasting down hills. Any other ideas as to why they were there in the first place? - -chants to FTE oracles............. Bill Comstock ICQ# 31312855 _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:19:49 -0700 From: "Danger" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Motor Mounts for 390 FE earlier, William wrote.... >I wouldn't be afraid of the stock ones, but if you really really want the > upgrades, check with someone like James Duff, or Summit, I think they have > Poly mounts for that ... Yes, I agree that stock motor mounts would probably work just fine, but perfect fan shrouds seem very hard to come by for a 69 F250 and I'd rather install a heavy duty mount if it is available. Does anybody have more info on "James Duff" or "Summit" or any other source of heavy duty motor mounts for the FE big block? Danger danger csolutions.net http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.csolutions.net/danger == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 10:56:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Brown Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 64 223 6-cyl, gas in oil pan Dennis wrote: > Park wrote: > >Seems like gasoline is getting into the oil pan. I assumed this was > >because of the heavy choke I had to run under before I got the plugs > >changed. However I changed the oil at the same time as the plugs and > >have been able to run little/no choke since. It looks like the oil is > >getting diluted again. > > > >I suspect the fuel pump as a culprit. Any place else that gasoline Bingo. > >could leak down into the oil pan? > > I would put my money on the fuel pump. I've been told this can get > dangerous, but I've never seen an engine explode from the crankcase > out....The more I think about it, I guess it could be a problem, not to > mention the wear on your bearings, etc... Just a few years back (ha), high school auto shop. Someone donated an old DeSoto, not running. The instructor picked up a rebuilt starter for it, and had a few guys working on it that didn't have cars. They installed the starter, and were cranking the engine, trying to fire it up. They had a coffee can full of gas to prime the engine. They put a LOT of gas in the carb, and all of the sudden "BOOM". We were really lucky no one was killed, the valve covers BLEW OFF the engine, bolts still in the head, with three or four kids hanging over the fenders looking on. The oil pan was also half blown off. I don't know how it ignited, but it did . . - -- Pat Brown Nice mid-70's all week in Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 12:59:09 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Motor Mounts for 390 FE >Yes, I agree that stock motor mounts would probably work just fine, but >perfect fan shrouds seem very hard to come by for a 69 F250 and I'd rather >install a heavy duty mount if it is available. Does anybody have more info >on "James Duff" or "Summit" or any other source of heavy duty motor mounts >for the FE big block? > > Summit is www.summitracing.com, don't see anything on their site, but a call might dig something up. James Duff is mostly old bronco stuff, but they may be able to help out (www.jamesduff.com) Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:07:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Brown Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE p/s Marty claims: > Does your 76 F250 4x4 FE with the newer style pump have the same > mounting brackets as the older round pump? Where the brackets bolt > together, are there three studs with nuts on the top and a long > horizontal bolt that tightens the belt? That is the type bracket > that is used for the round pump. Well, some round pumps anyway. Mine has a two piece bracket, bolted at right angles. The larger looks like a lobster claw, with long arced slots for adjustment. No tension bolt. - -- Pat Brown Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:10:46 -0700 From: "J.S.H." Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ham Can P/S "My first concern would be for brackets and pulleys - Can you get >brackets to mount the ham can on an FE (390)?" > > My 76 f-250 4x4 came with the newer style pump on a FE. >It's got a 2 piece bracket assy.1 piece bolts to engine,1 piece >bolts to pump and then the 2 brackets bolt together. Hmmm...what steering system do you have ? Is it integral, or the goofy ram setup ? I have a 76FE from a 4x2 that has the old style pump ... The confusion continues .... My 76 is a 4x and has the goofy system. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:18:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Brown Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: your mail John writes: > You guys are so helpful I want to test your knowledge yet again. > '67 F100 with rebuilt 300 - After the talk about using a vacuum guage to set > carb and timing, I went out and bought one. Reset both carb and timing until > I had the highest vacuum (about 20 lbs). Drove it and it was like a new > truck! Power, speed, smooth, great! Shut it off and tried to restart - > nothing, just the little solenoid click. Messed around thinking it was just > a coincidence and decided that starter had chosen that moment to quit. > Pulled it off, took it in, got it replaced under warranty. Put on the new > one, it started but very, very slowly. Cleaned cables, rebolted solenoid to > ground -- better but still very slow turn-over. > I began to wonder if changing the timing had done something, so I backed the > timing off to where it was before. Started right up but the engine was back > to barely running. John, as others have already posted, too much advance. What you may have done is overcompensated the base timing to make up for a bad vacuum or mechanical advance. Since you have the vacuum gauge and timing light, did you buy the vacuum pump:-)? You can check the vacuum advance at idle with the pump (or, you could just suck on the hose - yuk!). Then leave the vacuum disconnected, rev the engine to check the mech advance. One other thought, is your truck a California truck (smog equipped)? It may have a dual diaphram distributor (two hose vacuum advance/retard), thermal cut-offs, etc to check out! - -- Pat Brown Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:29:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Jessee Subject: FTE 61-79 - air compressor I am putting onboard air on a '77f250 4x4 i was wonder ing if it made any diffrence if the compressor(ex ac comprssor)was mounted vertically or horizontally. also does anyone have any experince with the bfg mud terrain tires? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 11:32:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Nick Jessee Subject: FTE 61-79 - swap I was wondering will the fe block mount up to the 429/460 bellhousing or does it have a bolt pattern all to itself _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:29:33 -0400 From: "Serian" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360FE Swap Sparky said: > I was just wondering if anyone knows if a 360FE with >auto tranny could be succcessfully transplanted into a >80ish F Series? If so what problems could I expect? I considered the same idea at one point, and did some preliminary measurements, but never actually started dismantling things. From what I can tell, it is theoretically possible, though probably very challenging ... > The 360 is presently in my 73 F350 parts truck so I have >access to all the motor mounts, brackets, etc, etc. The 80-86 mount brackets are way different from the 73-79 ones ... your 73 F350 brackets wont fit :-I >As far as that goes the entire running gear is in excellant >shape in the F350, so I would like to use it. The intended >patient belongs to a friend of a friend so the truck details >are a little sketchy at this early stage, I havent even seen it yet :^) >It is an early 80's vintage with a dead engine, possibly a >300/6cyl. The price is right and I cant resist a bargain :) If it is a I6-300, I *think* (but not precisely sure) that the distance between the rear face of the engine and the bolts on the FE motor mounts are the same. If this is so, everything else will fit in very nicely (80-86's were designed for the possibility of a C6, so the worst needed here might be to reverse the transmission crossmember. You will definitely need the transmission off the FE... it uses its own design of bellhousing and the I6-300 uses the small block Windsor bellhousing pattern. The 300 uses a different length and style of throttle cable between the gas pedal and the carb, so you will have to nab one out of a V8 setup. I think these are universal, so one out of a car might do. The 80-86's use a spring/plunger on-a-cable thingy, and the 73-79's use a lever arm off the pedal with a short cable to the carb. The radiator may need to be changed, and the 80-86 uses a vastly different radiator type than the 73-79. You will want a radiator designed to cool a 351-400 (or better) that bolts into the 80-86 if it does not already have one. The alternator from the 80-86 should be used in the 80-86 ... the bolt holes that mounts it to the brackets and head are the same shape and in the same place, but the wiring is different .. the alternator in my 83 has the wiring mounted on the rear of the alt, and the alternator for my '74 mercury has the wiring mounted in the side, and uses different harnesses and plugs. The power steering pump from the FE should work well, but you might have to change the high pressure hose .. some are made with a female end, and some with a male end where it attaches to the pump itself. From what I have seen, the end that attaches at the steering box, and the low pressure return hose are identical on all 76-86's. Other than this, I cant think of anything else right offhand, so as long as you can get the FE to fit in so that it is bolted down, and the rear face of the engine block is in the same location relative to the rest of the truck as the original engine was, this is a possible swap (even if the Ford books say it isn't ... heh this group is too inventive to just go by the books !) >Besides it would be nice to get another FE back on the road >where it belongs. Aye ! The more good old reliable solid iron engines out there, the better. Keep us posted on what ya find out ... this looks like a rather interesting project ! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:20:59 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swap >I was wondering will the fe block mount up to the 429/460 bellhousing >or does it have a bolt pattern all to itself >_________________________________________________________ Different pattern ... 429/460 shares with 351M/C/400 Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:25:21 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - swap At 02:20 PM 4/20/99 , you wrote: >>I was wondering will the fe block mount up to the 429/460 bellhousing >>or does it have a bolt pattern all to itself >>_________________________________________________________ > >Different pattern ... 429/460 shares with 351M/C/400 > > Before anyone flames me (again? :) I didn't mean to hit the C ... sorry DaveR ... the C has the same as the windsor right ? Should just be 351M/400 .... whew ... that was close Thanks, wish 73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html 96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:12:56 -0500 From: "John R. Austin" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: your mail Appreciate your response. When you say I can check the vacuum advance by sucking on the hose, does that mean I just have it running, suck on the hose connected to the distributor. What should happen? Thanks, John - ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Brown To: Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 1:18 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: your mail > John writes: > > You guys are so helpful I want to test your knowledge yet again. > > '67 F100 with rebuilt 300 - After the talk about using a vacuum guage to set > > carb and timing, I went out and bought one. Reset both carb and timing until > > I had the highest vacuum (about 20 lbs). Drove it and it was like a new > > truck! Power, speed, smooth, great! Shut it off and tried to restart - > > nothing, just the little solenoid click. Messed around thinking it was just > > a coincidence and decided that starter had chosen that moment to quit. > > Pulled it off, took it in, got it replaced under warranty. Put on the new > > one, it started but very, very slowly. Cleaned cables, rebolted solenoid to > > ground -- better but still very slow turn-over. > > I began to wonder if changing the timing had done something, so I backed the > > timing off to where it was before. Started right up but the engine was back > > to barely running. > > John, as others have already posted, too much advance. What you > may have done is overcompensated the base timing to make up for > a bad vacuum or mechanical advance. Since you have the vacuum > gauge and timing light, did you buy the vacuum pump:-)? You can > check the vacuum advance at idle with the pump (or, you could > just suck on the hose - yuk!). Then leave the vacuum disconnected, > rev the engine to check the mech advance. One other thought, is > your truck a California truck (smog equipped)? It may have a > dual diaphram distributor (two hose vacuum advance/retard), > thermal cut-offs, etc to check out! > -- > Pat Brown > Sebastopol, California > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 13:18:23 -0700 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - air compressor Nick Jessee wrote: > I am putting onboard air on a '77f250 4x4 i was wonder ing if it made > any diffrence if the compressor(ex ac comprssor)was mounted vertically > or horizontally. > > also does anyone have any experince with the bfg mud terrain tires? I run the compressor upright. It most really shouldn't matter as they were used both ways as A/C. I just want that little extra insurance against oil intrusion into the air system. As far as the BFG's go. Great tire. The M/T's seem to wear a little faster with lots of highway miles but off road they grab rocks well and clean easily in mud with a little tire spin. If they made a 38" they would really have something. - -- Don Grossman duckdon pacific.net 99 Contour SE Sport 63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:36:41 -0500 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ford Red The Ford red paint I used on my Tranny (which is supposedly the color it came with) is known as Thunderbird red or Chrysler red. They are the same. It is more (chebby) orange than red (am I right here Tony??). The original NP435 paint and the canned paint I bought from Eastwood Comapny matched great! I have found they really make a very good quality aerosal product even if they are a buck or two more per can. It really goes on nicely. The red on McKay's page looks like Ford tractor red like the old 801 we used to have years ago. I like it personally!! Nice job John. The engine looks sharp! Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu At 09:07 AM 4/20/99 -0700, you wrote: >When I went to paint my 360 before the install I found >paint labeled "Ford Red" at the local Autozone. I'd always >seen Ford Blue stuff but never red. Painted my 360 red >cause I like the color. Also shows off the valve covers >really well. Go to the web site below for a look at "Ford Red." >-- >John L. McKay >Mesa, Arizona >'67 F-100 Custom Cab >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~djspaints/ford.htm >Email: djspaints earthlink.net >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 14:04:48 -0700 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - air compressor > I am putting onboard air on a '77f250 4x4 i was wonder ing if it made > any diffrence if the compressor(ex ac comprssor)was mounted vertically > or horizontally. The pumps can be mounted either horiz or vert, but if it's horizontal it needs to be mounted with the intake side *up*. There's an internal passage that vents the crankcase back to the inlet and if the pump is mounted inlet side down all the crankcase oil will end up in the cylinders... Steve http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty "There are no stupid questions... just stupid people." == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 15:07:59 -0600 From: "Dave Resch" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - redline >From: William S Hart >Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - redline > >Will a 2V 351M pull to the redline ? Yo Bill: Probably not in its stock configuration. >with a 2V you're already past your peak >power most likely, so there wouldn't be >much performance benefit from it ... Since last summer, I've been using a 1982 Mustang GT Motorcraft 2V carb on my stock 1980 351M and it has done wonders for throttle response, power, and higher rpm breathing. I swapped in the Mustang carb and added the Mustang's stock phenolic spacer on top of the (disabled) stock EGR spacer on the stock intake manifold. Now my otherwise stock (except cam timing) 351M w/ stock DuraSpark II ignition revs willingly to about 4.5K rpm, and if I keep my foot in it, it'll go up well past 5K rpm. Interestingly, even though I regularly romp on it, I still get as good or better mileage than the original Motorcraft truck carb. On another topic: >the C has the same as the windsor right? Correct, the 351C uses the same bell housing bolt pattern as the later 289 and the 302, and 351W. Dave R (M-block devotee) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Apr 1999 16:14:34 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - redline >Since last summer, I've been using a 1982 Mustang GT Motorcraft 2V carb on my >stock 1980 351M and it has done wonders for throttle response, power, and >higher >Interestingly, even though I regularly romp on it, I still get as good or >better >mileage than the original Motorcraft truck carb. > I had one of those cars, man that little car was great! Its the only 2V I've ever gotten to actually "ring" when I tromped on it ... for a 2V I.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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