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61-79-list-digest Tuesday, April 20 1999 Volume 03 : Number 133 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 61-79 - F-800 Engine FTE 61-79 - 64 f100 223 6 cyc engine paint color? FTE 61-79 - Owners Manual Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help FTE 61-79 - Converting RPM to MPH Re: FTE 61-79 - Why I love this group Re: FTE 61-79 - FE P/S Re: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help FTE 61-79 - Re: Driveshaft vibration, clutch chatter ... FTE 61-79 - (no subject) Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help Re: FTE 61-79 - Why I love this group FTE 61-79 - Horsepower Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help FTE 61-79 - P/S by Rube Goldberg FTE 61-79 - Alt wiring FTE 61-79 - 77 steering question. Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help FTE 61-79 - Rear Gears? Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ford Motorsports Enthusiasts gathering Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Gears? Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help FTE 61-79 - Motor Mounts for 390 FE Re: FTE 61-79 - Motor Mounts for 390 FE FTE 61-79 - Tranny Code Deciphering FTE 61-79 - Re:77 steering question Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Gears? Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:77 steering question Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 steering question. Re: FTE 61-79 - Alt wiring FTE 61-79 - B&M or Duff shifter Re: FTE 61-79 - Owners Manual Re: FTE 61-79 - FYI (429) FTE 61-79 - 360FE Swap Re: FTE 61-79 - Why I love this group FTE 61-79 - hello from new poster Re: FTE 61-79 - 63 Truck Re: FTE 61-79 - 64 f100 223 6 cyc engine paint color? FTE 61-79 - Dual Exhaust Re: FTE 61-79 - Cost of 460 installation into '79 4x4?? Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Driveshaft vibration, clutch chatter ... Re: FTE 61-79 - (no subject) Re: FTE 61-79 - Motor Mounts for 390 FE ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:15:29 -0500 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - F-800 Engine > > I was at a truck auction this week end and discovered that several 1989 > F-800s had 429s from the factory. I looked at the engines very closely and > they appear to be essentially the same as the ones Ford quit putting in cars > in 1972. Sounds similar to the way they handled the FE engine. Anyone know > if these are the same as the 429/460 blocks we discuss from time to time? They put a 370 ci version of the 385 series in mid-line trucks, I've always heard them called the 370 Lima. I've never been into one so I couldn't tell you what will interchange. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:05:16 -0500 From: John Strauss Subject: FTE 61-79 - 64 f100 223 6 cyc engine paint color? >Posted a couple of days ago. No response, but I'll try again. What is the >original color of the 223 engine block for a 64 f100? > >Surely someone can help me with that information, please. Thanks, Bill > > Well, I do not have first hand experience with the 223, but on my '64 w/292 V8, the original color of the block is BARE if you can believe that. The blocks were not painted. The oil pan was black, the valve covers and intake manifold were Ford Red. When I rebuilt it, I painted everything black except the valve covers and intake, I put them back Ford Red. It looks really good that way. I have not seen an original 223 in a '64, but I did once see one in a '63 that was the same as my 292. _ _| ~~. John Strauss \, *_} jstrauss inetport.com \( Texas Fight! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:11:10 -0400 From: Rob Long Subject: FTE 61-79 - Owners Manual Is there anyplace on the web to get an owners manual for a 78 F-250. Does anyone have one they want to get rid of? - -- Rob == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:14:40 -0400 (EDT) From: "Sean O'Malley" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help > there were a lot of aftermarket A/C conversions available. > They even made swamp cooolers! Holy mildew, Batman! A swamp cooler on a truck, wow :). - --sean == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:29:12 -0500 (CDT) From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu Subject: FTE 61-79 - Converting RPM to MPH I stumbled across someones website that had an indepth conversion formula >for converting RPM to MPH with gear ratios and such. Does anyone know >where I was? I didn't bookmark it so I don't remember. Unless you are just real interested in the math, why not make your own calibration? Get a helper in another vehicle with a reliable speedo, then use a CB or work out some system ahead of time to measure your RPM's against his MPH's. Make a nice little table, you could then fit an equation to that if you want to get a speed inbetween your calibration points. Bryan Kirking 66 Step Side 352 4 speed Houston, Texas == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:35:22 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Why I love this group >I've taken care of it for you and made sure you can't >come back. Nothing worse than cutting someone down >then running for the hills. > >Ken Payne >Thanks Ken ! >-- Ditto! Thanks to everyone who read the message(s) that were posted and followed the same way I did, I thought I was losing my mind! Not to mention that was pretty much how that whole day went. Thanks, wish 73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html 96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:36:42 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE P/S >"My first concern would be for brackets and pulleys - Can you get >brackets to mount the ham can on an FE (390)?" > > My 76 f-250 4x4 came with the newer style pump on a FE. >It's got a 2 piece bracket assy.1 piece bolts to engine,1 piece >bolts to pump and then the 2 brackets bolt together. Hmmm...what steering system do you have ? Is it integral, or the goofy ram setup ? I have a 76FE from a 4x2 that has the old style pump ... The confusion continues .... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:13:03 -0700 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower Thanks for your message at 05:10 PM 4/17/99 -0400, Philip MacLaren. Your message was: > I am signing off this list after this post you guys are not all there. > >Philip MacLaren >Father >Ford Owner >Fabulous >Fabricator Fun guy (NOT!) Farewell Father MacLaren... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:37:46 -0700 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help Thanks for your message at 09:14 AM 4/19/99 -0400, Sean O'Malley. Your message was: >> there were a lot of aftermarket A/C conversions available. >> They even made swamp cooolers! > >Holy mildew, Batman! A swamp cooler on a truck, wow :). I actually had one in 1972. It plugged into the cig lighter and was kept filled with ice (which of course melted and became water). It was plastic and very cheesy and I used it for an eight-week bar-hopping run from Fall City, WA to New York City and back in a 1962 Ford (of course) Galaxie...Sorry about the reminiscing, but that reference to a swamp cooler on a truck really gave me a flashback...I'm OK now... Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA 1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C 1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed 1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) I shortened this to only FT's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:38:41 PDT From: "b hp" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Driveshaft vibration, clutch chatter ... >>Get a diaphram-type clutch..You can buy an 11" LUK .. I checked LUK's website...is this what you meant by a 'diaphram-type clutch'? It would be nice to get rid of that chatter... Self Adjusting Clutch TM The SAC TM or Self Adjusting Clutch is an innovative design that provides longer life, more comfortable pedal load, and bearing movement reduction. It is engineered for passenger cars and light truck applications for manual transmissions. http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.luk-us.com Bruce 65 Mercury M-100 2WD P/U 240 |6 ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:20:26 EDT From: REvans8341 aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - (no subject) After going through all the advice on the list, I've finally determined that my 72 F-100 does, in fact, have a rebuilt 302 engine. It needs a new carb and I've been looking at a model 2300 Holley 2V in either 350 or 500 cfm w/manual choke. The truck is used for towing and hauling, so low end torque and response is more important than speed. Anyone here have any experience with this model Holley? If so, will it work for what I need it to do and what cfm will best suit my needs...Thanks in advance Bob P.S. to Art....How's your Holley working on the 360?? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:29:33 -0500 From: Larry Schmiedekamp Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help Thats right. Got one, and works great. At 09:14 AM 4/19/99 -0400, you wrote: >> there were a lot of aftermarket A/C conversions available. >> They even made swamp cooolers! > >Holy mildew, Batman! A swamp cooler on a truck, wow :). > >--sean >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:00:11 -0400 From: Ted Wnorowski Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Why I love this group > >I've taken care of it for you and made sure you can't > >come back. Nothing worse than cutting someone down > >then running for the hills. > > > >Ken Payne > >Thanks Ken ! > >-- > AMEN, I'm a little leery of anyone that sends attachments with every message anyway. Ted Wnorowski == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:03:09 -0500 From: John LaGrone Subject: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower >>Phillip wrote: I am signing off this list after this post you guys are >>not all there. I'm all here. The Doc just took inventory of my parts. They don't all work too well, but they are intact. I must have missed something on this thread. I thought there was some good feed back here. I never considered that dual wheels would have less traction, but after the discussion it all makes sense to me. Way to go Papa Ken!!!!!!! - -John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:39:33 -0500 (CDT) From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help >Thats right. Got one, and works great. >> there were a lot of aftermarket A/C conversions available. >> They even made swamp cooolers! Come on Larry, tell these guys were you are. I am running a 134a system in my truck here in Houston and it tries to turn into a swamp cooler with all the humidity. You desert dwellers don't know how good you have it. Bryan Kirking 66 Step Side 352 4 speed Houston, Texas == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:59:18 -0700 From: "J.S.H." Subject: FTE 61-79 - P/S by Rube Goldberg "Gang I was looking at a 77f250 4wd, crew cab today and noticed it had the funky power steering setup that ford used for a few years, (Hyd Ram connected to the drag link) So I have a few questions for the truck experts.. (Bronco's I know, F stuff I'm not so sure) 1) What years had this steering set up? 2) Is there a bolt on steering or axle & steering swap? 3) Is this type of steering setup as bad as I've been lead to believe? i.e.. very complicated system, prone to leaks, not capable of accommodating sever off road use." You must be looking at a early 77 because 76 is theoretically the last year for power assist. 1. I believe this set-up was only available on the 73-76 F-250 4x4. As you can imagine,parts are scarce and expensive.)If anyone is interested I have a small data base on these parts (thanks to other list members) 2. From what I understand, installing 77-79 F-250 4x4 box is the way to go but I have not done this swap on my 76.(yet). 3.I have abused mine pretty good and it has held up well. I think the leakage problems I'm starting to have are more the result of old age than anything else. It is a funky set-up but I wouldn't let the steering stop me from buying a other wise good truck. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:07:22 -0600 From: mark heims Subject: FTE 61-79 - Alt wiring Hi Guys, My name is Kipp and I'm a long time lurker, occasional poster. A friend of mine is building a "Thing", 78 van frame, narrowed, truck axles, 460 motor, full cage and 4 bucket seats. He is wiring it from scratch and all he has left is to get the alternator working. I'd go over and help him but he is in Missouri, and I'm in Montana. He looked at his truck (7? Ford 4x4, made from 3-4 different trucks), and was trying to trace the "STA" wire from the alt. I told him that the wire was used for an electric choke hookup and he didn't need to worry about it, is this correct? He is not using an alt light or gauge. All he should have to do is run a wire from the voltage regulator "S" termianal to the ignition switch run circuit. He has everything else hooked up but wasn't sure on these two. Any help would be appreciated. Kipp 1978 F150 4x4 "The Great Pumpkin" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:39:43 EDT From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 77 steering question. Sounds like a job for Uncle Mike......I'm not sure if this applies to crewcabs or not, but, Erik, it sounds like that rig you were looking at had that Mickey Mouse ram setup....they switched over in Mid-77 through 79 to the integral steering boxes, which, by the way are somewhat difficult to find....The other thing they did in mid 77 was change the entire frame, so the newer steering boxes don't "bolt right up"..... There (I think) is some minor "torching" of the front crossmember and maybe a plate to make in order to get the box in. After that, I think you'll have to modify the length of the steering rod (coming out of the firewall) and then get a new drag link and pitman arm..... Are you still interested????? I'm going to be doing this on my 76....soon, right after the engine swap in the 69 and then the resto of the 78 and........ CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:18:07 -0500 From: Larry Schmiedekamp Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help You got me Bryan. You know its flat and dry here. But the tank hanging out the window does get lots of looks. Would you believe you can still buy these things. Ran across it in some classic catalog. At 12:39 PM 4/19/99 -0500, you wrote: >>Thats right. Got one, and works great. > >>> there were a lot of aftermarket A/C conversions available. >>> They even made swamp cooolers! > >Come on Larry, tell these guys were you are. I am running a 134a system in >my truck here in Houston and it tries to turn into a swamp cooler with all the >humidity. You desert dwellers don't know how good you have it. > >Bryan Kirking >66 Step Side >352 4 speed >Houston, Texas > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:28:47 -0800 From: "Terry Pendergrass" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear Gears? I sent this question out on Friday, but don't remember seeing it. I have a '65 F100 and I was wanting to get some help on the VIN and Rear Gears. According to the DATA plate the Trans=N and the Axle=07. The only tag on the diff has the following: DN-E1 25 5F1 313 I have not seen any of these kinds of numbers on any posting or webpage. Anybody have any idea what I have? Thanks in advance Terry Free web-based email, anytime, anywhere! ZDNet Mail - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.zdnetmail.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:31:14 -0700 From: "sam weatherby" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help What exactly are these?? -srw Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com '70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang '93 F-150 XLT Lightning '65 F100 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Schmiedekamp To: Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 12:18 PM Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help > You got me Bryan. You know its flat and dry here. But the tank hanging out > the window does get lots of looks. > > Would you believe you can still buy these things. Ran across it in some > classic catalog. > > > At 12:39 PM 4/19/99 -0500, you wrote: > >>Thats right. Got one, and works great. > > > >>> there were a lot of aftermarket A/C conversions available. > >>> They even made swamp cooolers! > > > >Come on Larry, tell these guys were you are. I am running a 134a system in > >my truck here in Houston and it tries to turn into a swamp cooler with all > the > >humidity. You desert dwellers don't know how good you have it. > > > >Bryan Kirking > >66 Step Side > >352 4 speed > >Houston, Texas > > > > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:41:28 -0400 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ford Motorsports Enthusiasts gathering This is a reminder to those who said they plan on attending the Ford Motorsports Enthusiasts event at Ford's world headquarters (Dearborn). The event will be this Thursday. If you lost the directions and schedule (or never had them), email me privately (kpayne ford-trucks.com) and I'll send them. Wear your Ford Truck Enthusiasts t-shirt to show everyone who you represent. There should be several clubs there and its a great chance to meet others and see what Ford has planned. I'll be flying there for the day (Peggy can't make it) and I look forward to meeting some of you! Ken Payne Ford Truck Enthusiasts == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:43:04 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Gears? >I have a '65 F100 and I was wanting to get some help on the VIN and Rear >Gears. > >According to the DATA plate the Trans=N and the Axle=07. > Can't do these in my head, and I don't have my book with me ... but : >The only tag on the diff has the following: > DN-E1 > 25 5F1 313 I think you're missing a number infront of the 25 ... and since its a 25, I'd guess its 3 25 ... which would point to a 3.25 rear gear ratio. One of my favorites, good for puttin the power down in a "high acceleration" situation, also doesn't shorten things to the point of really hurtin mileage. Love the 3.27's in my 'stang, keeps everything ready to roll with the blip of a throttle, but still pulls over 25 on the highway. Course with the truck they may be a bit steep (too low numerically), but they should be okay for general driving with normal sized tires ... Maybe someone knows the codes right off, otherwise it'll be a day or so ... >I have not seen any of these kinds of numbers on any posting or webpage. >Anybody have any idea what I have? > >Thanks in advance >Terry > > >Free web-based email, anytime, anywhere! >ZDNet Mail - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.zdnetmail.com >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:44:48 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help >You got me Bryan. You know its flat and dry here. But the tank hanging out >the window does get lots of looks. > >Would you believe you can still buy these things. Ran across it in some >classic catalog. > > Warning, Content shows age! I remember my grandmother tellin me about these last summer, then late in the year we were at a car show in Des Moines, and lo and behold, there was a falcon I think that had one hangin out the window, it was one they'd bought for a cross country trip in that car shortly after buying the car ... don't suppose you remember the catalog do you ? She'd get a kick out of seeing those for sale again ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:02:18 -0500 From: Larry Schmiedekamp Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help Sam These things we're talking about are swamp cooler for cars. The one I have is a round tank that hangs out the window clamped by the window and door frame. You put ice or ice water or just water into the tank and the wind blows over the ice/water and into the cab. Doesn't make ice but cools things down. Does not work well when parked. Larry At 12:31 PM 4/19/99 -0700, you wrote: >What exactly are these?? > -srw > >Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy >SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com >'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang >'93 F-150 XLT Lightning >'65 F100 > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Larry Schmiedekamp >To: >Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 12:18 PM >Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help > > >> You got me Bryan. You know its flat and dry here. But the tank hanging >out >> the window does get lots of looks. >> >> Would you believe you can still buy these things. Ran across it in some >> classic catalog. >> >> >> At 12:39 PM 4/19/99 -0500, you wrote: >> >>Thats right. Got one, and works great. >> > >> >>> there were a lot of aftermarket A/C conversions available. >> >>> They even made swamp cooolers! >> > >> >Come on Larry, tell these guys were you are. I am running a 134a system >in >> >my truck here in Houston and it tries to turn into a swamp cooler with >all >> the >> >humidity. You desert dwellers don't know how good you have it. >> > >> >Bryan Kirking >> >66 Step Side >> >352 4 speed >> >Houston, Texas >> > >> > >> >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html >> > >> > >> >> == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html >> > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:05:42 -0700 From: "Danger" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Motor Mounts for 390 FE Does anybody know if heave duty motor mounts are available for the FE big block? It seems that a new engine with extra HP + good clutch + Posi (and maybe a few full throttle burnouts) = broken motor mounts resulting in the fan contacting the fan shroud. I'd like to install the strongest mounts I can find when I install the new clutch in a couple weeks. Is there a heavy duty motor mount for the FE big block? Danger 69 F250 360 auto 69 F250 CS 390 4 bbl headers/high flow T18 Posi 3.54 danger csolutions.net http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.csolutions.net/danger == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:19:58 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Motor Mounts for 390 FE >Does anybody know if heave duty motor mounts are available for the FE big >block? It seems that a new engine with extra HP + good clutch + Posi (and >maybe a few full throttle burnouts) = broken motor mounts resulting in the >fan contacting the fan shroud. I'd like to install the strongest mounts I >can find when I install the new clutch in a couple weeks. > >Is there a heavy duty motor mount for the FE big block? > Motor mounts ? You don't need no stinkin motor mounts ! When I was pullin the motor out of my truck, there were no nuts on the end of the mounts!!! I'd pulled hard on this truck a couple of times (drug out a LeSabre that was sittin on its floorboards in snow, pulled so hard the xfercase locked in low had the shop get it straigthened out). No problems, didn't even know the mounts weren't hooked up. I think I got really lucky this time, but it tells me that the tranny mount is pretty darned strong to start with ... I wouldn't be afraid of the stock ones, but if you really really want the upgrades, check with someone like James Duff, or Summit, I think they have Poly mounts for that ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:28:54 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tranny Code Deciphering Just another little "list annoying question"! I have a friend who is wanting to sell two 4spd "linkage" trannies-- What are they, what are they worth, and if somebody is interested, e-mail me privately. These are not BW or NP... The first: D8TRMA 1315 JJ13 The second: D78RAA RUGBP AP15 And of course, any info is greatly appreciated! Thanks! Tony Marino tony pscico.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:44:07 -0700 From: sparky mail.island.net Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:77 steering question >Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gang I was looking at a 77f250 4wd, crew cab today and noticed it had the >funky power steering setup that ford used for a few years, (Hyd Ram >connected to the drag link) So I have a few questions for the truck >experts.. (Bronco's I know, F stuff I'm not so sure) 1) What years had >this steering set up? 2) Is there a bolt on steering or axle & steering >swap? 3) Is this type of steering setup as bad as I've been lead to >believe? i.e.. very complicated system, prone to leaks, not capable of >accommodating sever off road use. > > >OK, so there it is, fire away. Thanks in advance for any help that you all >may be able to provide. > >Erik Marquez >78 Bronco >bronco78 mosquitonet.com >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.mosquitonet.com/~bronco78 >bronco78 on the BB chat Ans#1 :I could be wrong, I have been before and probably will be again :), but I think that the power assist system went from 73-76 only. Ans#2: Bolt-on swap not that I know of. See story following Ans#3. Ans#3:My system was not that great. The parts were expensive, my steering ram went and was close to $500 Cdn to replace. The selector valve on the draglink rubbed on my LH tire, of course the truck has 35" tires on it. I am in the final stages of converting my truck to true power steering, doing the welding tonite hopefully. I got a complete 79 F250 4x4 power steering system, from the firewall to the steering knuckle, then I boxed in the frame where the old steering box was, added a 1/4" steel plate to the outside of the frame rail to cover the hole for the old pitman arm and for added support. Drilled 4 new mount holes and installed the new power steering box. I had to make a few "adjustments" to the crossmember and the rad support to make it fit. I had to get my steering shaft from the box to the firewall connection shortened 4 1/2" inches, luckily I have a friend in a machine shop who likes beer as much as I do :):). The donor truck draglink, from the pitman arm to the steering knuckle, is about 1 1/2" too short ??????. I dont know why. The steering hits the stop on the axle for a left turn but for a right turn the internal stop in the steering box kicks in before the stop on the axle. Does anyone know if the internal stops can be adjusted or do I have to get a longer draglink? Sparky 73 F250 4x4 390FE 2v (next project 4v) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:55:24 -0700 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help Thanks for your message at 03:02 PM 4/19/99 -0500, Larry Schmiedekamp. Your message was: >Sam > >These things we're talking about are swamp cooler for cars. >The one I have is a round tank that hangs out the window clamped >by the window and door frame. You put ice or ice water or just water into >the tank and the wind blows over the ice/water and into the cab. Doesn't >make ice but cools things down. Does not work well >when parked. > The one I had sat on the tranny hump and you filled it with ice , plugged into the lighter, and you were cool...It even had two places on top to put drinks (non-alcoholic, of course). Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA 1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C 1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed 1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) I shortened this to only FT's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:01:39 -0500 From: Larry Schmiedekamp Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help William I'll go through my catalog and see. My youngest son (15) has found a mustang and we need to ball park a price for items that are missing on it so we will know what to counter offer. Larry At 02:44 PM 4/19/99 -0500, you wrote: >>You got me Bryan. You know its flat and dry here. But the tank hanging out >>the window does get lots of looks. >> >>Would you believe you can still buy these things. Ran across it in some >>classic catalog. >> >> > >Warning, Content shows age! > >I remember my grandmother tellin me about these last summer, then late in >the year we were at a car show in Des Moines, and lo and behold, there was >a falcon I think that had one hangin out the window, it was one they'd >bought for a cross country trip in that car shortly after buying the car >... don't suppose you remember the catalog do you ? She'd get a kick out >of seeing those for sale again ... > > >Just my 2cents > >wish > >Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html >'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html >'96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:42:26 EDT From: TBeeee aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Gears? In a message dated 4/19/99 3:45:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, terrypen zdnetmail.com writes: > > According to the DATA plate the Trans=N and the Axle=07. > > The only tag on the diff has the following: > DN-E1 > 25 5F1 313 According to my master parts book the door tag's axle code of "07" should translate to a Ford 3,300# rear-end with a 3.25 ratio. I suspect that the axle tag's number is not complete. Is your axle tag damaged on the far left side? If you know that the axle is original then your tag might really be WDM-E1 This translates to a Ford 9" built in June of 65. Take another look at your tag. I am willing to look in the books again if something isn't adding up. I hope this helps. Stock Man (a/k/a Thom B.) 1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/tbeeee/page/index.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:14:58 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help >I'll go through my catalog and see. My youngest son (15) has found a >mustang and we need to ball park a price for items that are missing on it >so we will know what to counter offer. > If you can just find the catalog I can probably pick one up around here somewhere ... good luck with the 'stang purchase, my first car (when I was 14) was a 69 Cougar ... loved that thing ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:17:32 -0700 From: "Michael Connor" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:77 steering question Gang, Been meaning to do it for awhile, and guess I better get it done. I'm gonna take some pictures of my steering conversion and put them on my website. I also have some other info to offer as well. Also looking for a post I sent to Colorado Jeff one time describing the details but can't seem to find it at the moment. I'll dig it up and send it out. Uncle Mike Phoenix, AZ. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:38:27 -0500 From: NORM Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 steering question. At 02:39 PM 4/19/99 -0400, you wrote: >Sounds like a job for Uncle Mike......I'm not sure if this applies to >crewcabs or not, but, Erik, it sounds like that rig you were looking at had >that Mickey Mouse ram setup....they switched over in Mid-77 through 79 to the >integral steering boxes, which, by the way are somewhat difficult to >find....The other thing they did in mid 77 was change the entire frame, so >the newer steering boxes don't "bolt right up"..... > >There (I think) is some minor "torching" of the front crossmember and maybe a >plate to make in order to get the box in. After that, I think you'll have to >modify the length of the steering rod (coming out of the firewall) and then >get a new drag link and pitman arm..... > >Are you still interested????? > >I'm going to be doing this on my 76....soon, right after the engine swap in >the 69 and then the resto of the 78 and........ Erik...I agree with what was said above...And the tourching is a bit of a job...and you will have to fabricate a plate as was mentioned....and depending on year....the steering linkage from the column down needs to be modified no doubt! But for what it is worth we swapped my friend John's truck over to power steering....and i believe we used a 2x4 box off a 78-79ish pickup...I will have to ask him how we did this....LOL it has been about 10 years ago and we used up most of a case in the process...But it has worked for 10 years of abuse that has broken every other part on the truck! And when he was at Top Truck this last year he did find he had a cracked sector shaft....and was able to change the box out in about 35min! But that was the first problem in 10 years! Not to bad a deal i figure! If interested i will get the skivy on how we did that..I am sure as he tells me it may come back to me!! NORM (babied and pampered is our motto) dahorse jvlnet.com or ntbdra jvlnet.com Da Horse on bigbronco chat http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=231 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:26:10 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Brown Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Alt wiring Kipp writes: [about his buddies truck] > He looked at his truck > (7? Ford 4x4, made from 3-4 different trucks), and was trying to trace > the "STA" wire from the alt. I told him that the wire was used for an > electric choke hookup and he didn't need to worry about it, is this > correct? Yes. The "STA" term is used in cars with idiot lights, in addition to (sometimes) being used to run the choke heater. > He is not using an alt light or gauge. All he should have to > do is run a wire from the voltage regulator "S" termianal to the > ignition switch run circuit. With no idiot light, the regulator can be "started" with a wire connected as you describe. The "I" term on the regulator does not need to be connected. With no ammeter, there is no need for meter shunts. The alternator output "BAT" is connected to the battery directly (BIG wire), typically at the starter solenoid. Usual pointer to Steve's schematic: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/truck/fordchrg.jpg Where you can verify that connecting the "S" terinal to the ignition will indeed close the field relay, starting regulator action. - -- Pat Brown Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:38:01 EDT From: KAKneeland aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - B&M or Duff shifter I'm wanting to buy a floor shifter for my '71 Bronco with the standard 3 spd. tranny. I've surfed around the net a ton and can't really find a lot. But I also asked a few of my friends and it seems like B&M and Duff both made a floor shifter for EBs. Can anyone offer me some advice/experience stories with either of these? Or am I heading down a wrong path entirely? Thanks tons. Kory KAKneeland aol.com '71 EB w/302 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:56:26 -0500 From: "Oscar Johnson" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Owners Manual For Rob Long: try www.ebay.com; go to misc then automotive, and query for ford truck. I see lots of owners manuals on there reasonably priced. O.T. Johnson Prattville, AL 71 F250 Ranger XLT Camper Special 360 C6 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:32:44 -0400 From: Brad Smith Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FYI (429) At 12:38 AM 4/19/99 EDT, you wrote: >I was at a truck auction this week end and discovered that several 1989 >F-800s had 429s from the factory. I looked at the engines very closely and >they appear to be essentially the same as the ones Ford quit putting in cars >in 1972. Sounds similar to the way they handled the FE engine. Anyone know >if these are the same as the 429/460 blocks we discuss from time to time? >Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460 >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > Yes, these are the same engines as far as I know, and they even had some fuel injected ones! I think they ran some 4 barrels and some EFIs in those trucks... I considered trying to find one and ripping all of the FI goodies off of it and installing on mine... Brad The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is not... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:34:00 -0700 From: sparky mail.island.net Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360FE Swap I was just wondering if anyone knows if a 360FE with auto tranny could be succcessfully transplanted into a 80ish F Series? If so what problems could I expect? The 360 is presently in my 73 F350 parts truck so I have access to all the motor mounts, brackets, etc, etc. As far as that goes the entire running gear is in excellant shape in the F350, so I would like to use it. The intended patient belongs to a friend of a friend so the truck details are a little sketchy at this early stage, I havent even seen it yet :^) It is an early 80's vintage with a dead engine, possibly a 300/6cyl. The price is right and I cant resist a bargain :) Besides it would be nice to get another FE back on the road where it belongs. Sparky 73 F250 4x4 390FE 2v == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:58:03 -0400 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Why I love this group Actually, I meant for this post to go directly to the user and sent it to the group by mistake. This type of post usually isn't my style. Ken Payne > >> >I've taken care of it for you and made sure you can't >> >come back. Nothing worse than cutting someone down >> >then running for the hills. >> > >> >Ken Payne >> >Thanks Ken ! >> >-- >> > > AMEN, I'm a little leery of anyone that sends attachments with every >message anyway. > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:20:20 -0500 From: "commodore" Subject: FTE 61-79 - hello from new poster Hi this is Paul from Minnesota I have been watching the list for a few months now and just wanted to say hi and thanks for all the good info. I have a 71 Ranger XLT that is going though a frame off resto I am at the stage now were I am getting the drive train all ready. I am about 2 weeks away from finishing it up. I changed it from a 3/4 ton to a 1/2 ton and added a 76 front with disk brakes and a 370 ratio rear end. The motor a 360 is going into the build shop this weekend to go though a complete rebuild will be a 390 v4 when it is finish. The c-6 will be going in to in a couple of weeks to get done. The body was a little to rusty to make for show so I bought a nice cab, doors, box, fenders and inner fenders. I have also purchased alot of nice mouldings but am in need of mint wide mouldings for the doors and the cab I am hopeing to be finished in July and have it at the Car craft car show at the Minnesota State fair grounds mid July This truck is nicely equiped with all the XLT options plus has air, sport mirrors, slidding rear window and is 2 tone green and white which i am change from the origanal light grean with white roof. I will have some pictures post once this truck is finished. Once again thanks for all the great info == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:40:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Koster Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 63 Truck Al, If it's a unibody you need....go west! I was in Northern Utah/Southern Idaho for a week and a half and spotted probably 13 unibodies! 4 of them were sitting in parking lots with "for sale" signs in them. I called on each of them and they were running anwhere from $800 to $1400. I am working on a 63 Unibody right now. I've heard about hard-to-get parts, etc. but have had a pretty easy time locating replacements. (Of course, it probably helps that my father-in-law owns 3(three!) 63 Unibodies) Dan - --- Al Evitts wrote: > Steve: I owned a 63 new and have been looking for one to restore or > resurrect. Have found a unibody 63 pretty rare but can't get owner to > turn loose. Would be interested in hearing and seeing some of your > project. Thanx > > Al > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:44:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Daniel Koster Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 64 f100 223 6 cyc engine paint color? Bill, Add in my vote for a red 63 233 I-6, originally. Plus, I seem to remember having seen the head orange. Dan - --- John Strauss wrote: > >Posted a couple of days ago. No response, but I'll try again. What is the > >original color of the 223 engine block for a 64 f100? > > > >Surely someone can help me with that information, please. Thanks, Bill > > > > > Well, I do not have first hand experience with the 223, but on my '64 w/292 > V8, the original color of the block is BARE if you can believe that. The > blocks were not painted. The oil pan was black, the valve covers and > intake manifold were Ford Red. When I rebuilt it, I painted everything > black except the valve covers and intake, I put them back Ford Red. It > looks really good that way. > > I have not seen an original 223 in a '64, but I did once see one in a '63 > that was the same as my 292. > _ > _| ~~. John Strauss > \, *_} jstrauss inetport.com > \( Texas Fight! > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:44:28 EDT From: Doulos79 aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dual Exhaust one question about exhaust. i have a 300 ci 6 cylinder in a 78 F-150 and it is in need of a new exhaust system. it has the stock exhaust components on it now and i was looking into putting duals on it but i wonder what it would sound like. i don't want it to sound sorry since it is a 6 cylinder. what are some possilbe setups for the best sound i can get out of my exhaust system. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. mark 1978 F-150 Custom == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:52:34 EDT From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cost of 460 installation into '79 4x4?? i put a 460 in my 78 f150 4x4, didn't cost me a dime. i used the rectangular two bolt fe mounts, and retained my stock frame mounts, the bell housing is the same as a 351m-400, although you better check your converter snout, there is two different sizes. i did have to modify a bracket here and there, i guess it did cost me about 85.00 for the rear sump 4x4 oil pan , pick up tube and dipstick. but this oil pan is not required for 2wd, or with 4x4's with alot of lift. i also paid someone to hook up the exhaust j grant == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:02:53 -0600 From: Marko Maryniak Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Driveshaft vibration, clutch chatter ... At 07:38 AM 19/04/99 PDT, you wrote: >>>Get a diaphram-type clutch..You can buy an 11" LUK .. > >I checked LUK's website...is this what you meant by a 'diaphram-type >clutch'? It would be nice to get rid of that chatter... > >Self Adjusting Clutch TM >The SAC TM or Self Adjusting Clutch is an innovative design that >provides longer life, more comfortable pedal load, and bearing >movement reduction. It is engineered for passenger cars and light >truck applications for manual transmissions. > The "self-adjusting" stuff is just so much hooey. Essentially, a "finger" clutch is like a stock F250 clutch, 11.5 inches, which has three big fat steel 'fingers' which the throw bearing pushes on to lever the pressure plate away from the clutch disk. Since the fingers don't provide even pressure all over the pressure plate, eventually it warps a bit and causes chatter. And any bit of slop in your throw bearing, or in the fulcrum pins holding the fingers in the pressure plate assemply, will also cause chatter. A diaphragm type clutch is the kind you see every day, with the two dozen or so pointy flat metal triangular things in the centre of the throw bearing side of the pressure plate assembly. There are so many of them they approximate even pressure all over the pressure plate when pulling it away from the clutch disk. The reason I recommended LUK is cause they're so cheap. You can also get a regular Centerforce, or a Centerforce II, for a reasonable price and they're very very good. Be nice to your truck, stop giving it The Finger and get a diaphragm type clutch assembly. Have your flywheel machined flat. If you want a really good clutch, get a Centerforce. And make sure that those cam plugs (on the back of the motor behind the metal divider plate) aren't leaking. But even if they seep a bit, and the rear main seal seeps a bit, the diaphragm clutch shouldn't chatter for a long, long, long time. Mine still doesn't chatter after 30,000 miles and it wasn't new to start with. The Finger chattered after literally 100 miles! OK? marko == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:08:33 -0600 From: Marko Maryniak Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - (no subject) At 11:20 AM 19/04/99 EDT, you wrote: > > After going through all the advice on the list, I've finally determined.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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