61-79-list-digest Tuesday, April 20 1999 Volume 03 : Number 133



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - F-800 Engine
FTE 61-79 - 64 f100 223 6 cyc engine paint color?
FTE 61-79 - Owners Manual
Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help
FTE 61-79 - Converting RPM to MPH
Re: FTE 61-79 - Why I love this group
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE P/S
Re: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower
Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help
FTE 61-79 - Re: Driveshaft vibration, clutch chatter ...
FTE 61-79 - (no subject)
Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help
Re: FTE 61-79 - Why I love this group
FTE 61-79 - Horsepower
Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help
FTE 61-79 - P/S by Rube Goldberg
FTE 61-79 - Alt wiring
FTE 61-79 - 77 steering question.
Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help
FTE 61-79 - Rear Gears?
Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ford Motorsports Enthusiasts gathering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Gears?
Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help
Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help
FTE 61-79 - Motor Mounts for 390 FE
Re: FTE 61-79 - Motor Mounts for 390 FE
FTE 61-79 - Tranny Code Deciphering
FTE 61-79 - Re:77 steering question
Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help
Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Gears?
Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:77 steering question
Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 steering question.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Alt wiring
FTE 61-79 - B&M or Duff shifter
Re: FTE 61-79 - Owners Manual
Re: FTE 61-79 - FYI (429)
FTE 61-79 - 360FE Swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - Why I love this group
FTE 61-79 - hello from new poster
Re: FTE 61-79 - 63 Truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - 64 f100 223 6 cyc engine paint color?
FTE 61-79 - Dual Exhaust
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cost of 460 installation into '79 4x4??
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Driveshaft vibration, clutch chatter ...
Re: FTE 61-79 - (no subject)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Motor Mounts for 390 FE

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:15:29 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F-800 Engine

>
> I was at a truck auction this week end and discovered that several 1989
> F-800s had 429s from the factory. I looked at the engines very closely and
> they appear to be essentially the same as the ones Ford quit putting in cars
> in 1972. Sounds similar to the way they handled the FE engine. Anyone know
> if these are the same as the 429/460 blocks we discuss from time to time?

They put a 370 ci version of the 385 series in mid-line trucks, I've
always heard them called the 370 Lima. I've never been into one so I
couldn't tell you what will interchange.
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:05:16 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 64 f100 223 6 cyc engine paint color?

>Posted a couple of days ago. No response, but I'll try again. What is the
>original color of the 223 engine block for a 64 f100?
>
>Surely someone can help me with that information, please. Thanks, Bill
>
>
Well, I do not have first hand experience with the 223, but on my '64 w/292
V8, the original color of the block is BARE if you can believe that. The
blocks were not painted. The oil pan was black, the valve covers and
intake manifold were Ford Red. When I rebuilt it, I painted everything
black except the valve covers and intake, I put them back Ford Red. It
looks really good that way.

I have not seen an original 223 in a '64, but I did once see one in a '63
that was the same as my 292.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:11:10 -0400
From: Rob Long
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Owners Manual

Is there anyplace on the web to get an owners manual for a 78 F-250.
Does anyone have one they want to get rid of?

- --
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 09:14:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sean O'Malley"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help

> there were a lot of aftermarket A/C conversions available.
> They even made swamp cooolers!

Holy mildew, Batman! A swamp cooler on a truck, wow :).

- --sean
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:29:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Converting RPM to MPH

I stumbled across someones website that had an indepth conversion formula
>for converting RPM to MPH with gear ratios and such. Does anyone know
>where I was? I didn't bookmark it so I don't remember.


Unless you are just real interested in the math, why not make your own
calibration? Get a helper in another vehicle with a reliable speedo, then use a
CB or work out some system ahead of time to measure your RPM's against his
MPH's. Make a nice little table, you could then fit an equation to that if you
want to get a speed inbetween your calibration points.

Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:35:22 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Why I love this group

>I've taken care of it for you and made sure you can't
>come back. Nothing worse than cutting someone down
>then running for the hills.
>
>Ken Payne
>Thanks Ken !
>--

Ditto! Thanks to everyone who read the message(s) that were posted and
followed the same way I did, I thought I was losing my mind! Not to
mention that was pretty much how that whole day went.


Thanks,
wish
73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
96 Mustang GT
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:36:42 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE P/S

>"My first concern would be for brackets and pulleys - Can you get
>brackets to mount the ham can on an FE (390)?"
>
> My 76 f-250 4x4 came with the newer style pump on a FE.
>It's got a 2 piece bracket assy.1 piece bolts to engine,1 piece
>bolts to pump and then the 2 brackets bolt together.

Hmmm...what steering system do you have ? Is it integral, or the goofy ram
setup ? I have a 76FE from a 4x2 that has the old style pump ...

The confusion continues ....


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:13:03 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower

Thanks for your message at 05:10 PM 4/17/99 -0400, Philip MacLaren. Your
message was:
> I am signing off this list after this post you guys are not all there.
>
>Philip MacLaren
>Father
>Ford Owner
>Fabulous
>Fabricator
Fun guy (NOT!)

Farewell Father MacLaren...
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:37:46 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help

Thanks for your message at 09:14 AM 4/19/99 -0400, Sean O'Malley. Your
message was:
>> there were a lot of aftermarket A/C conversions available.
>> They even made swamp cooolers!
>
>Holy mildew, Batman! A swamp cooler on a truck, wow :).

I actually had one in 1972. It plugged into the cig lighter and was kept
filled with ice (which of course melted and became water). It was plastic
and very cheesy and I used it for an eight-week bar-hopping run from Fall
City, WA to New York City and back in a 1962 Ford (of course)
Galaxie...Sorry about the reminiscing, but that reference to a swamp cooler
on a truck really gave me a flashback...I'm OK now...
Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 07:38:41 PDT
From: "b hp"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Driveshaft vibration, clutch chatter ...

>>Get a diaphram-type clutch..You can buy an 11" LUK ..

I checked LUK's website...is this what you meant by a 'diaphram-type
clutch'? It would be nice to get rid of that chatter...

Self Adjusting Clutch TM
The SAC TM or Self Adjusting Clutch is an innovative design that
provides longer life, more comfortable pedal load, and bearing
movement reduction. It is engineered for passenger cars and light
truck applications for manual transmissions.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.luk-us.com

Bruce
65 Mercury M-100 2WD P/U 240 |6


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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:20:26 EDT
From: REvans8341 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - (no subject)

After going through all the advice on the list, I've finally determined
that my 72 F-100 does, in fact, have a rebuilt 302 engine. It needs a new
carb and I've been looking at a model 2300 Holley 2V in either 350 or 500 cfm
w/manual choke. The truck is used for towing and hauling, so low end torque
and response is more important than speed. Anyone here have any experience
with this model Holley? If so, will it work for what I need it to do and
what cfm will best suit my needs...Thanks in advance
Bob
P.S. to Art....How's your Holley working on the 360??
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:29:33 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help

Thats right. Got one, and works great.




At 09:14 AM 4/19/99 -0400, you wrote:
>> there were a lot of aftermarket A/C conversions available.
>> They even made swamp cooolers!
>
>Holy mildew, Batman! A swamp cooler on a truck, wow :).
>
>--sean
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:00:11 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Why I love this group

> >I've taken care of it for you and made sure you can't
> >come back. Nothing worse than cutting someone down
> >then running for the hills.
> >
> >Ken Payne
> >Thanks Ken !
> >--
>

AMEN, I'm a little leery of anyone that sends attachments with every message anyway.

Ted Wnorowski


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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 08:03:09 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Horsepower

>>Phillip wrote: I am signing off this list after this post you guys are
>>not all there.

I'm all here. The Doc just took inventory of my parts. They don't all work
too well, but they are intact.

I must have missed something on this thread. I thought there was some good
feed back here. I never considered that dual wheels would have less
traction, but after the discussion it all makes sense to me.

Way to go Papa Ken!!!!!!!

- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:39:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help

>Thats right. Got one, and works great.

>> there were a lot of aftermarket A/C conversions available.
>> They even made swamp cooolers!

Come on Larry, tell these guys were you are. I am running a 134a system in
my truck here in Houston and it tries to turn into a swamp cooler with all the
humidity. You desert dwellers don't know how good you have it.

Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 10:59:18 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - P/S by Rube Goldberg

"Gang I was looking at a 77f250 4wd, crew cab today and noticed it had
the
funky power steering setup that ford used for a few years, (Hyd Ram
connected to the drag link) So I have a few questions for the truck
experts.. (Bronco's I know, F stuff I'm not so sure) 1) What years had
this steering set up? 2) Is there a bolt on steering or axle & steering
swap? 3) Is this type of steering setup as bad as I've been lead to
believe? i.e.. very complicated system, prone to leaks, not capable of
accommodating sever off road use."

You must be looking at a early 77 because 76 is theoretically the last
year for power assist.
1. I believe this set-up was only available on the 73-76 F-250 4x4. As
you can imagine,parts are scarce and expensive.)If anyone is interested
I have a small data base on these parts (thanks to other list members)
2. From what I understand, installing 77-79 F-250 4x4 box is the way to
go but I have not done this swap on my 76.(yet).
3.I have abused mine pretty good and it has held up well. I think the
leakage problems I'm starting to have are more the result of old age
than anything else.
It is a funky set-up but I wouldn't let the steering stop me from buying
a other wise good truck.
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:07:22 -0600
From: mark heims
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Alt wiring

Hi Guys,
My name is Kipp and I'm a long time lurker, occasional poster. A friend
of mine is building a "Thing", 78 van frame, narrowed, truck axles, 460
motor, full cage and 4 bucket seats. He is wiring it from scratch and
all he has left is to get the alternator working. I'd go over and help
him but he is in Missouri, and I'm in Montana. He looked at his truck
(7? Ford 4x4, made from 3-4 different trucks), and was trying to trace
the "STA" wire from the alt. I told him that the wire was used for an
electric choke hookup and he didn't need to worry about it, is this
correct? He is not using an alt light or gauge. All he should have to
do is run a wire from the voltage regulator "S" termianal to the
ignition switch run circuit. He has everything else hooked up but
wasn't sure on these two. Any help would be appreciated.

Kipp
1978 F150 4x4 "The Great Pumpkin"
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:39:43 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 77 steering question.

Sounds like a job for Uncle Mike......I'm not sure if this applies to
crewcabs or not, but, Erik, it sounds like that rig you were looking at had
that Mickey Mouse ram setup....they switched over in Mid-77 through 79 to the
integral steering boxes, which, by the way are somewhat difficult to
find....The other thing they did in mid 77 was change the entire frame, so
the newer steering boxes don't "bolt right up".....

There (I think) is some minor "torching" of the front crossmember and maybe a
plate to make in order to get the box in. After that, I think you'll have to
modify the length of the steering rod (coming out of the firewall) and then
get a new drag link and pitman arm.....

Are you still interested?????

I'm going to be doing this on my 76....soon, right after the engine swap in
the 69 and then the resto of the 78 and........

CJ
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:18:07 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help

You got me Bryan. You know its flat and dry here. But the tank hanging out
the window does get lots of looks.

Would you believe you can still buy these things. Ran across it in some
classic catalog.


At 12:39 PM 4/19/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>Thats right. Got one, and works great.
>
>>> there were a lot of aftermarket A/C conversions available.
>>> They even made swamp cooolers!
>
>Come on Larry, tell these guys were you are. I am running a 134a system in
>my truck here in Houston and it tries to turn into a swamp cooler with all
the
>humidity. You desert dwellers don't know how good you have it.
>
>Bryan Kirking
>66 Step Side
>352 4 speed
>Houston, Texas
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 11:28:47 -0800
From: "Terry Pendergrass"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear Gears?

I sent this question out on Friday, but don't remember seeing it.
I have a '65 F100 and I was wanting to get some help on the VIN and Rear Gears.

According to the DATA plate the Trans=N and the Axle=07.

The only tag on the diff has the following:
DN-E1
25 5F1 313
I have not seen any of these kinds of numbers on any posting or webpage.
Anybody have any idea what I have?

Thanks in advance
Terry


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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 12:31:14 -0700
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help

What exactly are these??
-srw

Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
'65 F100

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From: Larry Schmiedekamp
To:
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Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help


> You got me Bryan. You know its flat and dry here. But the tank hanging
out
> the window does get lots of looks.
>
> Would you believe you can still buy these things. Ran across it in some
> classic catalog.
>
>
> At 12:39 PM 4/19/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >>Thats right. Got one, and works great.
> >
> >>> there were a lot of aftermarket A/C conversions available.
> >>> They even made swamp cooolers!
> >
> >Come on Larry, tell these guys were you are. I am running a 134a system
in
> >my truck here in Houston and it tries to turn into a swamp cooler with
all
> the
> >humidity. You desert dwellers don't know how good you have it.
> >
> >Bryan Kirking
> >66 Step Side
> >352 4 speed
> >Houston, Texas
> >
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:41:28 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Ford Motorsports Enthusiasts gathering

This is a reminder to those who said they plan on attending the
Ford Motorsports Enthusiasts event at Ford's world headquarters
(Dearborn).

The event will be this Thursday. If you lost the directions and
schedule (or never had them), email me privately
(kpayne ford-trucks.com) and I'll send them. Wear your Ford
Truck Enthusiasts t-shirt to show everyone who you represent. There
should be several clubs there and its a great chance to meet others
and see what Ford has planned.

I'll be flying there for the day (Peggy can't make it) and I
look forward to meeting some of you!

Ken Payne
Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:43:04 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Gears?

>I have a '65 F100 and I was wanting to get some help on the VIN and Rear
>Gears.
>
>According to the DATA plate the Trans=N and the Axle=07.
>
Can't do these in my head, and I don't have my book with me ... but :


>The only tag on the diff has the following:
> DN-E1
> 25 5F1 313

I think you're missing a number infront of the 25 ... and since its a 25,
I'd guess its 3 25 ... which would point to a 3.25 rear gear ratio. One of
my favorites, good for puttin the power down in a "high acceleration"
situation, also doesn't shorten things to the point of really hurtin
mileage. Love the 3.27's in my 'stang, keeps everything ready to roll with
the blip of a throttle, but still pulls over 25 on the highway. Course
with the truck they may be a bit steep (too low numerically), but they
should be okay for general driving with normal sized tires ...

Maybe someone knows the codes right off, otherwise it'll be a day or so ...


>I have not seen any of these kinds of numbers on any posting or webpage.
>Anybody have any idea what I have?
>
>Thanks in advance
>Terry
>
>
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Just my 2cents

wish

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'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:44:48 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help

>You got me Bryan. You know its flat and dry here. But the tank hanging out
>the window does get lots of looks.
>
>Would you believe you can still buy these things. Ran across it in some
>classic catalog.
>
>

Warning, Content shows age!

I remember my grandmother tellin me about these last summer, then late in
the year we were at a car show in Des Moines, and lo and behold, there was
a falcon I think that had one hangin out the window, it was one they'd
bought for a cross country trip in that car shortly after buying the car
... don't suppose you remember the catalog do you ? She'd get a kick out
of seeing those for sale again ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:02:18 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help

Sam

These things we're talking about are swamp cooler for cars.
The one I have is a round tank that hangs out the window clamped
by the window and door frame. You put ice or ice water or just water into
the tank and the wind blows over the ice/water and into the cab. Doesn't
make ice but cools things down. Does not work well
when parked.

Larry


At 12:31 PM 4/19/99 -0700, you wrote:
>What exactly are these??
> -srw
>
>Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
>SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
>'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
>'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
>'65 F100
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Larry Schmiedekamp
>To:
>Sent: Monday, April 19, 1999 12:18 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help
>
>
>> You got me Bryan. You know its flat and dry here. But the tank hanging
>out
>> the window does get lots of looks.
>>
>> Would you believe you can still buy these things. Ran across it in some
>> classic catalog.
>>
>>
>> At 12:39 PM 4/19/99 -0500, you wrote:
>> >>Thats right. Got one, and works great.
>> >
>> >>> there were a lot of aftermarket A/C conversions available.
>> >>> They even made swamp cooolers!
>> >
>> >Come on Larry, tell these guys were you are. I am running a 134a system
>in
>> >my truck here in Houston and it tries to turn into a swamp cooler with
>all
>> the
>> >humidity. You desert dwellers don't know how good you have it.
>> >
>> >Bryan Kirking
>> >66 Step Side
>> >352 4 speed
>> >Houston, Texas
>> >
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:05:42 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Motor Mounts for 390 FE

Does anybody know if heave duty motor mounts are available for the FE big
block? It seems that a new engine with extra HP + good clutch + Posi (and
maybe a few full throttle burnouts) = broken motor mounts resulting in the
fan contacting the fan shroud. I'd like to install the strongest mounts I
can find when I install the new clutch in a couple weeks.

Is there a heavy duty motor mount for the FE big block?


Danger
69 F250 360 auto
69 F250 CS 390 4 bbl headers/high flow T18 Posi 3.54
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:19:58 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Motor Mounts for 390 FE

>Does anybody know if heave duty motor mounts are available for the FE big
>block? It seems that a new engine with extra HP + good clutch + Posi (and
>maybe a few full throttle burnouts) = broken motor mounts resulting in the
>fan contacting the fan shroud. I'd like to install the strongest mounts I
>can find when I install the new clutch in a couple weeks.
>
>Is there a heavy duty motor mount for the FE big block?
>
Motor mounts ? You don't need no stinkin motor mounts !

When I was pullin the motor out of my truck, there were no nuts on the end
of the mounts!!! I'd pulled hard on this truck a couple of times (drug out
a LeSabre that was sittin on its floorboards in snow, pulled so hard the
xfercase locked in low had the shop get it straigthened out). No problems,
didn't even know the mounts weren't hooked up. I think I got really lucky
this time, but it tells me that the tranny mount is pretty darned strong to
start with ...

I wouldn't be afraid of the stock ones, but if you really really want the
upgrades, check with someone like James Duff, or Summit, I think they have
Poly mounts for that ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:28:54 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tranny Code Deciphering

Just another little "list annoying question"!

I have a friend who is wanting to sell two 4spd "linkage" trannies-- What
are they, what are they worth, and if somebody is interested, e-mail me
privately. These are not BW or NP...

The first:
D8TRMA 1315 JJ13

The second:
D78RAA RUGBP AP15

And of course, any info is greatly appreciated! Thanks!

Tony Marino
tony pscico.com
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:44:07 -0700
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:77 steering question

>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gang I was looking at a 77f250 4wd, crew cab today
and noticed it had the
>funky power steering setup that ford used for a few years, (Hyd Ram
>connected to the drag link) So I have a few questions for the truck
>experts.. (Bronco's I know, F stuff I'm not so sure) 1) What years had
>this steering set up? 2) Is there a bolt on steering or axle & steering
>swap? 3) Is this type of steering setup as bad as I've been lead to
>believe? i.e.. very complicated system, prone to leaks, not capable of
>accommodating sever off road use.
>
>
>OK, so there it is, fire away. Thanks in advance for any help that you all
>may be able to provide.
>
>Erik Marquez
>78 Bronco
>bronco78 mosquitonet.com
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>bronco78 on the BB chat


Ans#1 :I could be wrong, I have been before and probably will be again :),
but I think that the power assist system went from 73-76 only.

Ans#2: Bolt-on swap not that I know of. See story following Ans#3.

Ans#3:My system was not that great. The parts were expensive, my steering
ram went and was close to $500 Cdn to replace. The selector valve on the
draglink rubbed on my LH tire, of course the truck has 35" tires on it.

I am in the final stages of converting my truck to true power steering,
doing the welding tonite hopefully. I got a complete 79 F250 4x4 power
steering system, from the firewall to the steering knuckle, then I boxed in
the frame where the old steering box was, added a 1/4" steel plate to the
outside of the frame rail to cover the hole for the old pitman arm and for
added support. Drilled 4 new mount holes and installed the new power
steering box. I had to make a few "adjustments" to the crossmember and the
rad support to make it fit. I had to get my steering shaft from the box to
the firewall connection shortened 4 1/2" inches, luckily I have a friend in
a machine shop who likes beer as much as I do :):). The donor truck
draglink, from the pitman arm to the steering knuckle, is about 1 1/2" too
short ??????. I dont know why. The steering hits the stop on the axle for a
left turn but for a right turn the internal stop in the steering box kicks
in before the stop on the axle.
Does anyone know if the internal stops can be adjusted or do I have to get
a longer draglink?

Sparky
73 F250 4x4
390FE 2v (next project 4v)




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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 13:55:24 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help

Thanks for your message at 03:02 PM 4/19/99 -0500, Larry Schmiedekamp. Your
message was:
>Sam
>
>These things we're talking about are swamp cooler for cars.
>The one I have is a round tank that hangs out the window clamped
>by the window and door frame. You put ice or ice water or just water into
>the tank and the wind blows over the ice/water and into the cab. Doesn't
>make ice but cools things down. Does not work well
>when parked.
>
The one I had sat on the tranny hump and you filled it with ice , plugged
into the lighter, and you were cool...It even had two places on top to put
drinks (non-alcoholic, of course).


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:01:39 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help

William

I'll go through my catalog and see. My youngest son (15) has found a
mustang and we need to ball park a price for items that are missing on it
so we will know what to counter offer.

Larry



At 02:44 PM 4/19/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>You got me Bryan. You know its flat and dry here. But the tank hanging out
>>the window does get lots of looks.
>>
>>Would you believe you can still buy these things. Ran across it in some
>>classic catalog.
>>
>>
>
>Warning, Content shows age!
>
>I remember my grandmother tellin me about these last summer, then late in
>the year we were at a car show in Des Moines, and lo and behold, there was
>a falcon I think that had one hangin out the window, it was one they'd
>bought for a cross country trip in that car shortly after buying the car
>... don't suppose you remember the catalog do you ? She'd get a kick out
>of seeing those for sale again ...
>
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>wish
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:42:26 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear Gears?

In a message dated 4/19/99 3:45:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
terrypen zdnetmail.com writes:

>
> According to the DATA plate the Trans=N and the Axle=07.
>
> The only tag on the diff has the following:
> DN-E1
> 25 5F1 313
According to my master parts book the door tag's axle code of "07" should
translate to a Ford 3,300# rear-end with a 3.25 ratio. I suspect that the
axle tag's number is not complete. Is your axle tag damaged on the far left
side? If you know that the axle is original then your tag might really be
WDM-E1 This translates to a Ford 9" built in June of 65. Take another look
at your tag. I am willing to look in the books again if something isn't
adding up. I hope this helps.

Stock Man
(a/k/a Thom B.)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:14:58 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - dealer installed A/c Help

>I'll go through my catalog and see. My youngest son (15) has found a
>mustang and we need to ball park a price for items that are missing on it
>so we will know what to counter offer.
>

If you can just find the catalog I can probably pick one up around here
somewhere ... good luck with the 'stang purchase, my first car (when I was
14) was a 69 Cougar ... loved that thing ...



Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 14:17:32 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:77 steering question

Gang,

Been meaning to do it for awhile, and guess I better get it done.
I'm gonna take some pictures of my steering conversion and
put them on my website. I also have some other info to offer
as well.
Also looking for a post I sent to Colorado Jeff one time describing
the details but can't seem to find it at the moment. I'll dig it
up and send it out.


Uncle Mike
Phoenix, AZ.

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 16:38:27 -0500
From: NORM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 steering question.

At 02:39 PM 4/19/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Sounds like a job for Uncle Mike......I'm not sure if this applies to
>crewcabs or not, but, Erik, it sounds like that rig you were looking at had
>that Mickey Mouse ram setup....they switched over in Mid-77 through 79 to
the
>integral steering boxes, which, by the way are somewhat difficult to
>find....The other thing they did in mid 77 was change the entire frame, so
>the newer steering boxes don't "bolt right up".....
>
>There (I think) is some minor "torching" of the front crossmember and
maybe a
>plate to make in order to get the box in. After that, I think you'll have to
>modify the length of the steering rod (coming out of the firewall) and then
>get a new drag link and pitman arm.....
>
>Are you still interested?????
>
>I'm going to be doing this on my 76....soon, right after the engine swap in
>the 69 and then the resto of the 78 and........

Erik...I agree with what was said above...And the tourching is a bit of a
job...and you will have to fabricate a plate as was mentioned....and
depending on year....the steering linkage from the column down needs to be
modified no doubt!
But for what it is worth we swapped my friend John's truck over to power
steering....and i believe we used a 2x4 box off a 78-79ish pickup...I will
have to ask him how we did this....LOL it has been about 10 years ago and
we used up most of a case in the process...But it has worked for 10 years
of abuse that has broken every other part on the truck! And when he was at
Top Truck this last year he did find he had a cracked sector shaft....and
was able to change the box out in about 35min! But that was the first
problem in 10 years! Not to bad a deal i figure! If interested i will get
the skivy on how we did that..I am sure as he tells me it may come back to
me!!


NORM

(babied and pampered is our motto)
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 15:26:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Alt wiring

Kipp writes:
[about his buddies truck]
> He looked at his truck
> (7? Ford 4x4, made from 3-4 different trucks), and was trying to trace
> the "STA" wire from the alt. I told him that the wire was used for an
> electric choke hookup and he didn't need to worry about it, is this
> correct?

Yes. The "STA" term is used in cars with idiot lights, in
addition to (sometimes) being used to run the choke heater.

> He is not using an alt light or gauge. All he should have to
> do is run a wire from the voltage regulator "S" termianal to the
> ignition switch run circuit.

With no idiot light, the regulator can be "started" with a wire
connected as you describe. The "I" term on the regulator does not
need to be connected.

With no ammeter, there is no need for meter shunts. The alternator
output "BAT" is connected to the battery directly (BIG wire),
typically at the starter solenoid.

Usual pointer to Steve's schematic:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/truck/fordchrg.jpg
Where you can verify that connecting the "S" terinal to the ignition
will indeed close the field relay, starting regulator action.
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:38:01 EDT
From: KAKneeland aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - B&M or Duff shifter

I'm wanting to buy a floor shifter for my '71 Bronco with the standard 3 spd.
tranny. I've surfed around the net a ton and can't really find a lot. But I
also asked a few of my friends and it seems like B&M and Duff both made a
floor shifter for EBs. Can anyone offer me some advice/experience stories
with either of these? Or am I heading down a wrong path entirely? Thanks
tons.

Kory
KAKneeland aol.com
'71 EB w/302
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:56:26 -0500
From: "Oscar Johnson"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Owners Manual

For Rob Long: try www.ebay.com; go to misc then automotive, and query for
ford truck. I see lots of owners manuals on there reasonably priced.

O.T. Johnson
Prattville, AL
71 F250 Ranger XLT Camper Special 360 C6


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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 20:32:44 -0400
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FYI (429)

At 12:38 AM 4/19/99 EDT, you wrote:
>I was at a truck auction this week end and discovered that several 1989
>F-800s had 429s from the factory. I looked at the engines very closely and
>they appear to be essentially the same as the ones Ford quit putting in cars
>in 1972. Sounds similar to the way they handled the FE engine. Anyone know
>if these are the same as the 429/460 blocks we discuss from time to time?
>Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Yes, these are the same engines as far as I know, and they even had some
fuel injected ones! I think they ran some 4 barrels and some EFIs in those
trucks... I considered trying to find one and ripping all of the FI goodies
off of it and installing on mine...

Brad

The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 18:34:00 -0700
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360FE Swap

I was just wondering if anyone knows if a 360FE with auto tranny could be
succcessfully transplanted into a 80ish F Series? If so what problems could
I expect?
The 360 is presently in my 73 F350 parts truck so I have access to all the
motor mounts, brackets, etc, etc. As far as that goes the entire running
gear is in excellant shape in the F350, so I would like to use it.
The intended patient belongs to a friend of a friend so the truck details
are a little sketchy at this early stage, I havent even seen it yet :^) It
is an early 80's vintage with a dead engine, possibly a 300/6cyl. The price
is right and I cant resist a bargain :) Besides it would be nice to get
another FE back on the road where it belongs.

Sparky
73 F250 4x4
390FE 2v

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:58:03 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Why I love this group

Actually, I meant for this post to go directly to the user
and sent it to the group by mistake. This type of post
usually isn't my style.

Ken Payne

>
>> >I've taken care of it for you and made sure you can't
>> >come back. Nothing worse than cutting someone down
>> >then running for the hills.
>> >
>> >Ken Payne
>> >Thanks Ken !
>> >--
>>
>
> AMEN, I'm a little leery of anyone that sends attachments with every
>message anyway.
>

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 21:20:20 -0500
From: "commodore"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - hello from new poster

Hi this is Paul from Minnesota I have been watching the list for a few
months now and just wanted to say hi and thanks for all the good info. I
have a 71 Ranger XLT that is going though a frame off resto I am at the
stage now were I am getting the drive train all ready. I am about 2 weeks
away from finishing it up. I changed it from a 3/4 ton to a 1/2 ton and
added a 76 front with disk brakes and a 370 ratio rear end. The motor a 360
is going into the build shop this weekend to go though a complete rebuild
will be a 390 v4 when it is finish. The c-6 will be going in to in a couple
of weeks to get done. The body was a little to rusty to make for show so I
bought a nice cab, doors, box, fenders and inner fenders. I have also
purchased alot of nice mouldings but am in need of mint wide mouldings for
the doors and the cab I am hopeing to be finished in July and have it at the
Car craft car show at the Minnesota State fair grounds mid July This truck
is nicely equiped with all the XLT options plus has air, sport mirrors,
slidding rear window and is 2 tone green and white which i am change from
the origanal light grean with white roof. I will have some pictures post
once this truck is finished. Once again thanks for all the great info

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:40:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Koster
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 63 Truck

Al,

If it's a unibody you need....go west!

I was in Northern Utah/Southern Idaho for a week and a half and spotted
probably 13 unibodies! 4 of them were sitting in parking lots with "for sale"
signs in them. I called on each of them and they were running anwhere from
$800 to $1400.

I am working on a 63 Unibody right now. I've heard about hard-to-get parts,
etc. but have had a pretty easy time locating replacements.



(Of course, it probably helps that my father-in-law owns 3(three!) 63
Unibodies)



Dan





- --- Al Evitts wrote:
> Steve: I owned a 63 new and have been looking for one to restore or
> resurrect. Have found a unibody 63 pretty rare but can't get owner to
> turn loose. Would be interested in hearing and seeing some of your
> project. Thanx
>
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 19:44:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Daniel Koster
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 64 f100 223 6 cyc engine paint color?

Bill,

Add in my vote for a red 63 233 I-6, originally.

Plus, I seem to remember having seen the head orange.

Dan






- --- John Strauss wrote:
> >Posted a couple of days ago. No response, but I'll try again. What is the
> >original color of the 223 engine block for a 64 f100?
> >
> >Surely someone can help me with that information, please. Thanks, Bill
> >
> >
> Well, I do not have first hand experience with the 223, but on my '64 w/292
> V8, the original color of the block is BARE if you can believe that. The
> blocks were not painted. The oil pan was black, the valve covers and
> intake manifold were Ford Red. When I rebuilt it, I painted everything
> black except the valve covers and intake, I put them back Ford Red. It
> looks really good that way.
>
> I have not seen an original 223 in a '64, but I did once see one in a '63
> that was the same as my 292.
> _
> _| ~~. John Strauss
> \, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
> \( Texas Fight!
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:44:28 EDT
From: Doulos79 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dual Exhaust

one question about exhaust. i have a 300 ci 6 cylinder in a 78 F-150 and it
is in need of a new exhaust system. it has the stock exhaust components on
it now and i was looking into putting duals on it but i wonder what it would
sound like. i don't want it to sound sorry since it is a 6 cylinder. what
are some possilbe setups for the best sound i can get out of my exhaust
system. any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

mark
1978 F-150 Custom
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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 23:52:34 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cost of 460 installation into '79 4x4??

i put a 460 in my 78 f150 4x4, didn't cost me a dime. i used the rectangular
two bolt
fe mounts, and retained my stock frame mounts, the bell housing is the same
as a 351m-400, although you better check your converter snout, there is two
different sizes. i did have to modify a bracket here and there, i guess it
did cost me about 85.00 for the rear sump 4x4 oil pan , pick up tube and
dipstick. but this oil pan is not required for 2wd, or with 4x4's with alot
of lift. i also paid someone to hook up the exhaust

j grant

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:02:53 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Driveshaft vibration, clutch chatter ...

At 07:38 AM 19/04/99 PDT, you wrote:
>>>Get a diaphram-type clutch..You can buy an 11" LUK ..
>
>I checked LUK's website...is this what you meant by a 'diaphram-type
>clutch'? It would be nice to get rid of that chatter...
>
>Self Adjusting Clutch TM
>The SAC TM or Self Adjusting Clutch is an innovative design that
>provides longer life, more comfortable pedal load, and bearing
>movement reduction. It is engineered for passenger cars and light
>truck applications for manual transmissions.
>

The "self-adjusting" stuff is just so much hooey. Essentially, a "finger"
clutch is like a stock F250 clutch, 11.5 inches, which has three big fat
steel 'fingers' which the throw bearing pushes on to lever the pressure
plate away from the clutch disk. Since the fingers don't provide even
pressure all over the pressure plate, eventually it warps a bit and causes
chatter. And any bit of slop in your throw bearing, or in the fulcrum pins
holding the fingers in the pressure plate assemply, will also cause chatter.

A diaphragm type clutch is the kind you see every day, with the two dozen
or so pointy flat metal triangular things in the centre of the throw
bearing side of the pressure plate assembly. There are so many of them
they approximate even pressure all over the pressure plate when pulling it
away from the clutch disk.

The reason I recommended LUK is cause they're so cheap. You can also get a
regular Centerforce, or a Centerforce II, for a reasonable price and
they're very very good.

Be nice to your truck, stop giving it The Finger and get a diaphragm type
clutch assembly.
Have your flywheel machined flat. If you want a really good clutch, get a
Centerforce. And make sure that those cam plugs (on the back of the motor
behind the metal divider plate) aren't leaking. But even if they seep a
bit, and the rear main seal seeps a bit, the diaphragm clutch shouldn't
chatter for a long, long, long time. Mine still doesn't chatter after
30,000 miles and it wasn't new to start with. The Finger chattered after
literally 100 miles!

OK?


marko

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 1999 22:08:33 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - (no subject)

At 11:20 AM 19/04/99 EDT, you wrote:
>
> After going through all the advice on the list, I've finally determined....


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