61-79-list-digest Thursday, April 15 1999 Volume 03 : Number 128



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - 2.75:1 9 inch rear gears
RE: FTE 61-79 - 2.75:1 9 inch rear gears
FTE 61-79 -- Gearing...
Re: FTE 61-79 - 2.75:1 9 inch rear gears
Re: FTE 61-79 -- Gearing...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Maryland List Members?
FTE 61-79 - FE intakes
FTE 61-79 -- specs... 400M
FTE 61-79 - OD
FTE 61-79 - Mercury Valve covers
Re: FTE 61-79 - Maryland List Members?
Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum lines
FTE 61-79 - Re: 332 in '58
Re: FTE 61-79 - OD
FTE 61-79 - Torque Specs.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Torque Specs.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Maryland List Members?
FTE 61-79 - FE for 58
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE for 58
FTE 61-79 - How did Bill Brox get to Norway?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 2.75:1 9 inch rear gears
Re: FTE 61-79 - Mercury Valve covers
FTE 61-79 - Shifting Boot Part Number
FTE 61-79 - Mark: Shorty Header Update?
FTE 61-79 - tires, 35", options?
RE: FTE 61-79 - tires, 35", options?
Re: FTE 61-79 - OD
FTE 61-79 - Clutch Rod WhatchaMaCallit
Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Rod WhatchaMaCallit
Re: FTE 61-79 - OD
FTE 61-79 - Clutch Rod WhatchaMaCallit
Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Rod WhatchaMaCallit
FTE 61-79 - Found new Web Site for PARTS
FTE 61-79 - shift points on C6, overdrive?
FTE 61-79 - SWMBO Truck name
Re: FTE 61-79 - 2.75:1 9 inch rear gears
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE for 58
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 332 in '58

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 04:15:27 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 2.75:1 9 inch rear gears

I have seen mention on this list of 2.75:1 ratio gears on late 70s 9inch
rear ends. Does anyone know of a source for these parts. Mine has 3.00:1
and I would like to go to a lower numerical gearset with the wide ratio
gears in my C-6. However all of the gear vendors I have contacted don't
have anything lower than 3.00. Does Ford still carry it? Do I have to try
a "parts ressurector"? My mileage is currently 11-12 mpg and I would like
to try for better. I figure if I have to go with a used gearset I can try
to get the whole pumpkin and then if it doesn't work well then I can just
swap my old 3.00 back in.

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:46:02 -0400
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 2.75:1 9 inch rear gears

> ----------
> From: Hogan, Tom[SMTP:Tom.Hogan kla-tencor.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 7:15 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 2.75:1 9 inch rear gears
>
> I have seen mention on this list of 2.75:1 ratio gears on late 70s 9inch
> rear ends. Does anyone know of a source for these parts. Mine has 3.00:1
snip
> Tom H
>
Tom,

I think I have a 2.75:1 3rd member stashed away. It came out of a
'77 F150 2wd, 45k miles.

$45 + shipping

Let me know if your interested and I will double check the ratio.

Tracy
Cinci., Ohio 45150

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:03:28 -0400
From: Rob Long
Subject: FTE 61-79 -- Gearing...

Is there anyway to tell what my gearing is just by looking or by type of
truck? Is it stamped? I have a '78 F-250 4x4, 4-spd, 400M.

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:31:21 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 2.75:1 9 inch rear gears

>I have seen mention on this list of 2.75:1 ratio gears on late 70s 9inch
>rear ends. Does anyone know of a source for these parts. Mine has 3.00:1
>and I would like to go to a lower numerical gearset with the wide ratio
>gears in my C-6. However all of the gear vendors I have contacted don't
>have anything lower than 3.00. Does Ford still carry it? Do I have to try
>a "parts ressurector"? My mileage is currently 11-12 mpg and I would like
>to try for better. I figure if I have to go with a used gearset I can try
>to get the whole pumpkin and then if it doesn't work well then I can just
>swap my old 3.00 back in.
>

Check the old 'stangs and big cruisers in the junk...excuse me salvage
yards, I imagine those from the mid 70's will have one in them ... the tag
should say what the ratio is if you can find that ... if not ... well keep
looking or get the door tag codes and hope it hasn't been changed maybe ?
At any rate I'm sure they're out there ... someone said $45 plus shipping,
probably a good deal, i think most salvage yards will charge in that
neighborhood for that ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:32:26 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -- Gearing...

At 08:03 AM 4/14/99 , you wrote:
>Is there anyway to tell what my gearing is just by looking or by type of
>truck? Is it stamped? I have a '78 F-250 4x4, 4-spd, 400M.
>

There should be a tag under one of the bolts, it will be stamped into that
tag. If your door tag is still in okay shape and you are sure its the
original axle, you might be able to run that number too.... just guessing
I'd say you probably have 3.73 or 4.10 ... but that's just a guess.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:32:46 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Maryland List Members?

At 09:25 PM 4/13/99 , you wrote:
>Anyone on the list live near Baltimore??????
>
>The old "free breakfast" offer still stands....
>


There he goes again ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:51:25 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE intakes

Well I started cleaning up the intake I plan on putting on my 390. Thought
I'd do a comparo between the 2 that I had (both 4V's I also have a 2V, but
its sitting on the 360).

The one I plan on using is a C5AE intake, from a 65 Galaxie 390. The other
I had was a D5TE intake. Setting them next to each other I about kicked
myself ... I could have sworn the C5 intake was much taller, but it was the
same height! The major difference was the egr hole for the D5 intake.
Flipping them over revealed the same pans underneath, an extra dent at the
back of the intake that serves no obvious purpose was also on the C5 intake.

But wait! Those intake ports look different. Measuring them revealed the
intake height was about 1.75 inches on the D5 ... on the C5? almost 2 full
inches! Wow, that's a heck of a difference ...

Anyway thought I'd pass this along to you guys ... the main differences
then are :

1) firing order on back of manifold for rear hinging hood
2) port size, nearly 1/4"
3) extra hole for EGR on newer one
4) dimple on rear of C5 intake, purpose unknown.

This will hopefully appear on my rebuild page someday. I also got pictures
so hopefully you guys can see the differences without actually hauling
these intakes around ... hey that's why my backs sore today I bet ... wow
now I feel better ... :)

Laters


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 09:53:58 -0400
From: Rob Long
Subject: FTE 61-79 -- specs... 400M

Where or how can I get the specs on my 400M engine? (horses, torque,
etc.)

Rob



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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:04:47 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - OD

Bill Brox writes: >> It also seemed to have a lever under the dash for
Overdrive.... have no clue how that worked. What transmission does it have ?

The Borg Warner 3 speed with elect OD. Very neat unit. The T handle under the
dash disengages the OD unit when it is pulled out. DO NOT pull it out while the
vehicle is moving. You can push it in while moving but not pull it out. Bad
things happen when you do that. It is very economical and dependable as long as
it is not abused. It will not take abuse, but if treated decently, it will last
forever and gives a respectable increase in gas mileage. If you want more
details contact me off list. I have 2 of them now, and have had several over
the years.

You never did say how a "Bill Brox" got to Norway???

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:12:39 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mercury Valve covers

Ted writes: >>P.S.-If any one has a set of Mercury Valve covers for an FE drop
me a line!

If you mean the extremely tall ones for FE, I have 1set for sure and maybe 2
sets.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 10:39:14 -0400
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Maryland List Members?

Anyone on the list live near Baltimore??????
The old "free breakfast" offer still stands....

i live in Harford County, Bel Air, to be exact. What part of Baltimore?
Chris
94 Lightning #381
NLOC #238
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 11:20:57 -0400
From: "Serian"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum lines

William S Hart said:
>Since I have an auto, there are 2 more hoses that go to
>some pipes, never took the time to figure out what they
>do or where they go, but they're there.

These vacuum lines go to the transmission vacuum modulator. I think 74 was
the last year for the 2 hose setup, then Ford changed over to the type of
modulators that only need one hose (at least on cars).



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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 08:46:34 -0700
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 332 in '58

Dennis Pearson wrote:

> Are you two saying Ford did not have a 352 in 1958?

Who 'dat who say "Who 'dat" when I say "Who 'dat"!
Both engines were available in '59, but I don't remember a 352 in '58.
But then again, there are a lot of things that I don't remember. ;-)

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:11:21 +0200
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - OD

>
> You never did say how a "Bill Brox" got to Norway???
>
Well, you see, I was born in Norway, made by Norwegian folks, and was named
Bill Brox.
Don't ask me how I was made. My profession is mechanics and eletric
stuff..... I suggest you visit a library unless you have closer access to
that kind of information.
Or maybe own experience in that matter.


Bill


> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 14:19:12 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Torque Specs.

Quick question,
What are the torque specs. for the rocker covers on my 352.

TIA,
Ted


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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:22:51 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Torque Specs.

At 01:19 PM 4/14/99 , you wrote:
> Quick question,
> What are the torque specs. for the rocker covers on my 352.
>
Just the covers ? tighten them up til they twist off and back them off a
half a turn ...

just kidding, lemme check the book if you really want to know ....4-7ft lb
according to Steve Christ in his book ...


Just my 2cents

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:10:37 -0400
From: Jeff
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Maryland List Members?

BDIJXS aol.com wrote:

> Anyone on the list live near Baltimore??????

I'm in Linthicum. Just a spit away from BWI.

Sifu Jeff
'65 F-100

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:04:37 -0700
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE for 58

My records show that the 332 was used on cars in 58 and 59. Also, the 352
was used in cars from 58 thru 66. Can anyone confirm this?

Tim
66 F100 SWB
352 with 3 speed & OD
and Power steering
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 17:22:51 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE for 58

At 06:04 PM 4/14/99 -0700, you wrote:
>My records show that the 332 was used on cars in 58 and 59. Also, the 352
>was used in cars from 58 thru 66. Can anyone confirm this?

352 was used in the trucks until 1967. 352 cranks in trucks (360) until 1976.

Dunno about the cars. Can't seem to get past the trucks and the 390 GT
Mustangs which I adore but do not own....yet.

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:01:36 -0700
From: Michael Siron
Subject: FTE 61-79 - How did Bill Brox get to Norway?

Reminds me of another one from Dad:

Someone asked "how do you get to Sedalia?"

Dad said, "Well, Mother said 'the water broke!', so I just closed my eyes and started swimming."
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:32:47 -0400
From: "John F. Bauer III"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 2.75:1 9 inch rear gears

Tom,

I recently picked up a 9" rear from a '77 E100 van which has a 2.73:1
ratio. You may be able to just swap the "pumpkin" between a van and your
truck rear provided the axle spline count is the same. Sorry, don't know
the spline count on that van rear.

John

At 04:15 AM 4/14/99 -0700, you wrote:
>I have seen mention on this list of 2.75:1 ratio gears on late 70s 9inch
>rear ends. Does anyone know of a source for these parts. Mine has 3.00:1
>and I would like to go to a lower numerical gearset with the wide ratio
>gears in my C-6. However all of the gear vendors I have contacted don't
>have anything lower than 3.00. Does Ford still carry it? Do I have to try
>a "parts ressurector"? My mileage is currently 11-12 mpg and I would like
>to try for better. I figure if I have to go with a used gearset I can try
>to get the whole pumpkin and then if it doesn't work well then I can just
>swap my old 3.00 back in.
>
>Tom H
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:35:17 -0400
From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Mercury Valve covers

The one I'm looking for are the stock appearing cover but instead of Powered
by Ford it says Mercury.

Azie-the ones you have, are they the tall aluminum ones?

- -Ted
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From:
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 10:12 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mercury Valve covers


> Ted writes: >>P.S.-If any one has a set of Mercury Valve covers for an FE
drop
> me a line!
>
> If you mean the extremely tall ones for FE, I have 1set for sure and maybe
2
> sets.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:44:50 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Shifting Boot Part Number

Does anyone have the correct Ford part number for the shifter boot (where the
4-speed stick comes through the floorboard) for a 78 F-250 4x4? (351M stock,
NP 435)....I ordered one from Ford, and they sent the wrong one.

The WRONG part number is: D7TZ 7277 A. The "screw pattern" and the "base" of
the unit is too small. The correct part is bigger and the "front" flange is
"bent up" to accomodate the firewall...

By the way, does anyone need the part number above? It looks like it will fit
the 76 highboy, and most likely 2WD models as well.....

Any help would be appreciated!!!!


CJ
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:45:48 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Mark: Shorty Header Update?

Hey Mark,

I saw your troubles with those Sanderson shorties....how did the rest of the
installation go????

CJ
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:55:01 -0400
From: "John F. Bauer III"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tires, 35", options?

I'm in the market for 35" or 36" diameter tires for my project 4wd van. To
clear the calipers on the dana 60 front axle I believe I'm limited to 16.5"
wheels. It would seem a 16.5"x8.25" 8 lug wheel with 35" BFG AT tires
would be a good choice according to the list's previous tire discussion.
I'm planning on 95% highway travel with 5% off road, so something like a
Super Swamper is a bit too aggressive.

Can anyone suggest any skinnier tire/wheel alternatives that would be
around the 35", 36" diameter, or would I be better off with the BFG's?

John


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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:02:27 -0600
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - tires, 35", options?

I saw some bfg-at's that were 33x9.50. Get some late model ford 4x4 wheels
(the aluminum ones 1995 1996 1997 or so, with those tires, it would look
pretty good, and the center caps cover the dana 60 axel.

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From: John F. Bauer III [mailto:bauerjf ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 5:55 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tires, 35", options?



I'm in the market for 35" or 36" diameter tires for my project 4wd van. To
clear the calipers on the dana 60 front axle I believe I'm limited to 16.5"
wheels. It would seem a 16.5"x8.25" 8 lug wheel with 35" BFG AT tires
would be a good choice according to the list's previous tire discussion.
I'm planning on 95% highway travel with 5% off road, so something like a
Super Swamper is a bit too aggressive.

Can anyone suggest any skinnier tire/wheel alternatives that would be
around the 35", 36" diameter, or would I be better off with the BFG's?

John


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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:12:37 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - OD

How does one go about finding one for a C-6? Id love to put one of those on
Tweety, Lord knows he could use the mileage boost.

Darrell Duggan
74 F350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:27:36 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Rod WhatchaMaCallit

Anyone know where I can get that little rubber bootie deal that mounts to the
floor of the cab and the clutch rod goes through it for a 78 F-250 4x4????

Tried Autocrafters, but no luck....maybe Ford still stocks these....

CJ
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:35:26 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Rod WhatchaMaCallit

Yes, ford still stocks these and they are some of the CHESSIEST repro parts
I have ever bought from Ford short of the Steering bushing for the end of a
column in a '78 F-150 4x4.. I spent 10 bucks for mine and had it wear out
about 2 weeks later... Just so you know-- beware! 8-)

Tony Marino
tony pscico.com
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At 09:27 PM 4/14/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Anyone know where I can get that little rubber bootie deal that mounts to the
>floor of the cab and the clutch rod goes through it for a 78 F-250 4x4????
>
>Tried Autocrafters, but no luck....maybe Ford still stocks these....
>
>CJ
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:12:37 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - OD

How does one go about finding one for a C-6? Id love to put one of those on
Tweety, Lord knows he could use the mileage boost.

Darrell Duggan
74 F350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:27:36 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Rod WhatchaMaCallit

Anyone know where I can get that little rubber bootie deal that mounts to the
floor of the cab and the clutch rod goes through it for a 78 F-250 4x4????

Tried Autocrafters, but no luck....maybe Ford still stocks these....

CJ
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:02:45 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Clutch Rod WhatchaMaCallit

CJ wrote:
>
> Anyone know where I can get that little rubber bootie deal that
> mounts to the floor of the cab and the clutch rod goes through
> it for a 78 F-250 4x4????

You mean there's suposed to be rubber in there? :-)

Say CJ, when are coming out to the left coast to buy us breakfast?
- --
Pat Brown
Bored tonight in Sebastopol, California

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 22:22:09 -0500
From: "charlest"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Found new Web Site for PARTS

Hello List,
I would like to share a new web site with you that I found today. The
company is 'Automotive Replacement Parts' and is based in Bristoll, TN. They
sell many replacement parts(especially sheet metal) for many vehicles
including our awesome trucks.
If anyone has dealt with them before, please let me know about your
experience.

www.3wave.com/arp

79 F150 4x4 (460 swap)
Charlest

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Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 10:44:01 -0600
From: "James Draughn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - shift points on C6, overdrive?

I have the 79 ford van with the 351w. It has the C-6 tranny. I was
wondering if there is an overdrive I could install for this? Also I was
wondering about what speed my tranny should shift while accelerating hard.
If I floor it it will shift from 1st to second at exactly 45 mph, then Im
not sure exactly when, because I have been having some fuel problems and I
get scared and back off the gas but I have had it going in second gear at 75
mph and when it din't look like it was going to switch to third I back off
the gas a tad so it would change gears. I don't know what gear ratio the
rear end is. its a 1 ton van by the way. I don't have a tach so I don't
know what RPM I was running at. Anyone have any estimates on my RPM if I am
going 45 in 1st? 30" tires too btw. What I would like to do is put a
smaller rear end in my van, so it will accelerate faster? But want the
overdrive so I don't kill my highway fuel economy. Thanks for the input.

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:34:08 -0700
From: "Doug Neely"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - SWMBO Truck name

Just asked what she called my truck
she said MY truck
and I thought it was mine :>(

Cheers,
Doug


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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 21:57:01 -0700
From: "Willie & Bonnie Moore"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 2.75:1 9 inch rear gears

you might try a third member out of a t-bird or Mark 4 they usuly have the
numbers that youare lookin for! but i dont know wether they are a 27 tooth....


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