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61-79-list-digest Wednesday, April 14 1999 Volume 03 : Number 127 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 61-79 - differential FTE 61-79 - ac compressor to air compressor conversion Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE For '58 FTE 61-79 - Early (61-67) Econolines Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 colors Re: FTE 61-79 - Vibration Re: FTE 61-79 - Early (61-67) Econolines Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE For '58 Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum lines Re: FTE 61-79 - Odd engines ... Re: FTE 61-79 - Odd engines ... Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Smoking a C4 FTE 61-79 - Tranny and Rear End Tags FTE 61-79 - Steering. Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast? FTE 61-79 - New ride Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering. FTE 61-79 - Lockers and Limited slips FTE 61-79 - Vibration FTE 61-79 - 332 Re: FTE 61-79 - Tranny and Rear End Tags FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100 Steering wheel. FTE 61-79 - rebuild etc. RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question FTE 61-79 - 78-79 F250, 2WD front springs RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question FTE 61-79 - Spring install Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum lines FTE 61-79 - shaking truck FTE 61-79 - Maryland List Members? FTE 61-79 - Hills? In Ohio? Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 colors Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum lines Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100 Steering wheel. Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 colors ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:59:43 -0500 From: John LaGrone Subject: FTE 61-79 - differential The thing that confuses me is why the left wheel disengaged when I was turning it. It seems like an open diff would have turned no matter what. Then OTOH this might make sense as the right wheel would be the primary drive wheel. The casting numbers in my original post were all I could find. I won't get a chance to check again for a couple of weeks. I have eye surgery again on Friday and won't be seeing too well this coming weekend. I don't get noise on corners, but I still have a mysterious clunk. I can't find any play any where in the driveline. I have new u-joints. The clunk is minor and occasional but I'm pretty sure it is internal to the differential. The reason I asked about the wrong lube in the diff is because I have heard stories of limited slip units not performing properly because of the wrong type of gear oil. BTW my Owner's Manual suggests changing the engine oil and filter every 10,000 miles or 12 months, whichever occurs first. Maybe that's how 351M's got they're bad rep for early failure. This is one bit of Ford advice that I will continue to ignore. - -John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:22:14 -0600 From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)" Subject: FTE 61-79 - ac compressor to air compressor conversion I decided to do the ac compressor to air compressor conversion thats in the tech articles on the website. I discovered something that might help in finding an upright donor compressor. All late 60's and early 70's for vans used the upright compressor for clearance issues. So, find such a van with air, and you will have a compressor. I got mine out of a 72 van, and it was only $20. Later, Colorado Rick == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:39:03 -0700 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE For '58 Thanks for your message at 10:45 PM 4/12/99 -0700, Marv Miller. Your message was: >Willie Moore wrote: > >> I am new to this list but if I am not mistaken the 1958 Ford was a 332 >> interceptor. Could be wrong, but I dont think so. > >You may be new, but you're not wrong! Are you two saying Ford did not have a 352 in 1958? Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA 1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C 1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed 1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) I shortened this to only FT's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:55:32 -0400 From: "Don Haring, Jr." Subject: FTE 61-79 - Early (61-67) Econolines "gman" said: > >I've only been on the list a very short while. There doesn't seem to be = >much talk of vans from the 60's. I've been looking for any information = >on them - ie. changes in each model year, photos of ford vans of that era= > in stock condition, options offered in each year, drive train info, the = >whole picture. Does anyone out there have such info or know where I can = >get it? Off-list replies are welcome. > >g-man >'96 Ranger Splash == I just signed on to the mailing list, and I drive a '66 Falcon Club Wagon (the window version of the Econoline). There really isn't much information out on the Web about the early Econolines. There are, however, two good resources for early Econoline owners. The first is a club called "Econo" which is basically a newsletter published infrequently by Jay Long, Econo founder. It really only comes out about twice a year now, but the back issues are helpful. The second resource is "SES" -- Something Econoline Supplement, a more regular newsletter by Don English, the Econo parts guru. Don English has a database of all Econoline parts and what's available nationally. If anyone is interested in either of these, let me know and I'll dig up the contact info. Oh, I guess I should mention that there is another discussion group that addresses the vans and p/us, and that would be "The Ford Falcon News". There are about 400 subscribers, and about 4 active van owners. Doesn't sound like much, but between us, we can usually help each other out. TFFN: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dallasnw.quik.com/thorne/tffn To answer your question simply, the first generation Econolines were from 1961 - 1967. The only visible style change in that time was the side trim (thick for early, thin for late). The engine started as 144, switched to 170 in '63? and then 240 in '66. The later models had more options, but were still very basic. A good place to see photos and options would be in original Ford brochures. That's the nutshell answer. I have more detailed info on these vans if anyone wants more. Believe it or not, my van is my daily driver. It's an experiment in patience and torture. :) Thanks for letting me take up so much space ... - -don - --- Don in Philadelphia, FCA #08142 | 61 Futura Internet Director, Keystone Chapter FCA | 66 Deluxe Club Wagon Visit Falconaut: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://fedora.net/falconaut | and classic scooters == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:49:05 -0600 From: Marko Maryniak Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 colors At 02:00 AM 13/04/99 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 4/12/99 6:14:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >oldparts ford-trucks.com writes: > > > were the colors for that motor? I picked up some 410 decals this weekend at > a swap meet for the 410 Marauder and the decal was gold. Is the breather > and valve covers gold on the Mercury? TIA. > >> >In my original 1967 410 Mercury the air cleaner and valve covers were both >Ford Engine Blue. >Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460 Hey, Burt! So, what have you done with the 410 since then? marko == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:14:07 -0400 From: Ted Wnorowski Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vibration > > does your trk have an auto or man. trans? It has a 4-speed. > > and does the thing vibrate out of gear or in neutral when the trk is > sitting when you rev up the motor? > No, only after the clutch is all the way out and the truck is moving. Right now the weather isn't cooperating (cool weather, mild depression). But all of you are great, and have given me plenty of things to look for. Some people thought that El~Nino was soooooo bad? Thanks for everyone's help, Ted == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:59:35 -0400 From: Ted Wnorowski Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Early (61-67) Econolines "Don Haring, Jr." wrote: > It's an experiment in patience and torture. > VERY well put, my experiences with my '64 couldn't be described any better if I'd said it myself. Ted == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:01:16 -0500 From: Larry Schmiedekamp Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE For '58 I had a 58 car that had a 352 police interceptor in it. Larry At 07:39 AM 4/13/99 -0700, you wrote: >Thanks for your message at 10:45 PM 4/12/99 -0700, Marv Miller. Your >message was: >>Willie Moore wrote: >> >>> I am new to this list but if I am not mistaken the 1958 Ford was a 332 >>> interceptor. Could be wrong, but I dont think so. >> >>You may be new, but you're not wrong! > >Are you two saying Ford did not have a 352 in 1958? > > >Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA > >1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C >1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed >1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) > I shortened this to only FT's > >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:07:20 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum lines >Does anybody have any photos that show the connections and routing of the >vacuum lines for a 1978 351M in a F150? The Chilton manual doesn't hav this >one listed and the drawings aren't detailed enough to quite do the trick. >Actually, I'm trying to figure out which ones I can plug so I can strip out >all the emission controls and make maintenance simpler. > Do you have air ? Automatic ? If you have a manual tranny and no air, you probably only NEED the vacuum advance to keep every thing working. Oh yeah, and probably a power brake booster hose ... Since I have an auto, there are 2 more hoses that go to some pipes, never took the time to figure out what they do or where they go, but they're there. With A/C there may be a couple more, I am pretty sure one goes to a vacuum canister on the inner fender to let your heater controls move the correct solenoids. Other than that I can't think of too many more you'd need... unless you really need the emissions stuff, or a 351M is a lot different than any other motor I've worked on ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:56:58 -0800 From: "Terry Pendergrass" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Odd engines ... - -- >[ from a different letter .... ] >>(a buddy's dad swears he had an original 455 Chevy pickup ... ) > >A 455 cid engine is a GM (either Buick or Oldsmobile) engine, >and no doubt it would bolt right in ... It would be an odd thing to >get one in a truck right off the assembly line though > I remember a friend of mine back in late 70's or early 80's that had a Ford "Granarch". It was made when Ford had their strike and the outside was a Granada and the inside was the Mercury Monarch. So just goes to show that that kind of stuff does happen. Terry '65 F100 Free web-based email, anytime, anywhere! ZDNet Mail - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.zdnetmail.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:09:14 -0700 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Odd engines ... Thanks for your message at 07:56 AM 4/13/99 -0800, Terry Pendergrass. Your message was: >I remember a friend of mine back in late 70's or early 80's that had a Ford "Granarch". It was made when Ford had their strike and the outside was a Granada and the inside was the Mercury Monarch. So just goes to show that that kind of stuff does happen. > Yeah, and just look at what happened to Christine! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:10:13 -0800 From: "Terry Pendergrass" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Smoking a C4 - -- On Fri, 9 Apr 1999 06:17:47 Hogan, Tom wrote: >Deacon, >And what do you smoke a C4 with? ;0) > >Tom H >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > My guess would be that it is really hard to get it in those rolling papers. ;o) Terry Free web-based email, anytime, anywhere! ZDNet Mail - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.zdnetmail.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:40:13 -0400 From: William A Whited Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tranny and Rear End Tags Where can I find my tranny and rear end tags of my 77 & 79 302's with AT? TIA - -- William A Whited 74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390 77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302 79 F100 EXPLORER SUPERCAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK) "IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:49:34 -0700 From: "sam weatherby" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering. I greased all my fightings and checked all the bolts, etc.. I think it is better, but... The steering is still stiff when you are close to on center. about a 1/4 turn from it and it seems normal. When you let off the wheel it straightens out, but when it gets to the "Stiff zone" it stops straightening out. A few weeks ago I did try to adjust some slop out of the box. I have sinced loosened and it and see no change. Is there a way to tell if I have damaged it. (same adjustment method I have used on many othjer vehicles and no problems there...) Or, my Pump is real noisy. Maybe something is not quite right inside it? Anyone? Thanks, -srw Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com '70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang '93 F-150 XLT Lightning '65 F100 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:15:43 -0700 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast? >I knew I could draw you in here, you being the only other wierdo >(besides myself) that tickles dura-spark modules with signal >generators just to see them sqirm! > >> Points: I = 0, V = 0 >> Ballast: I = 0, V = 0 >> Coil: I = 0, V = 12 > >But Steve, you missed the charge on capacitor also! OK, it >was a trick question :-) Heehee, I was gonna mention it and ask you for particulars about the voltage on the cap and how many microFarads the cap is, and about the ESR of the cap and the wiring to the points and all that, but I decided maybe it was better not to go there... (-: Steve http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty "There are no stupid questions... just stupid people." == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:25:05 -0400 From: luxjo thecore.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - New ride Hey all My brother drove the 79 Bronco we just got to my house Sat, followed by me in a newer vehicle. This is going to be tow rig for my boat, as the 78 is just to high now. Guess the 351M is not running that bad, cause we hit about 93 on the highway. My Bro said the speedo was buried and at the "M" on the MPH:-). He also said it was super smooth, even at this speed, with just some wind noise around one of the vent windows. I may G-tech the thing tomorrow to see what 0-60, and 1/4 mile time/speed would be on a stock 79 Bronc. It is a cali truck, as it has the Ca. sticker under the hood. We put in the 100 MPH speedo I got a couple months back out of a real early 70's pickup. It had no high beam indcator (No KPH either), so I had to drill one and swap over the blue plastic. We installed a chrome grill guard that came in the back of the truck. Also hooked up 4 lights that were with it. Put in a CB, stereo and fixed the AC. Going to order parts this week for the 2" lift. Hopefuly, those 2WD, F250 springs won't be too stiff, as I have no desire to kill the nice ride this thing has. One of the extra tires was a factory Firestone AT on a factory white spoke rim. It is in brand new shape. Really weird to see after seeing them in the 78 Brochure I have. I'm also looking for the blue vinyl part of the XLT fabric/vinyl seats. If you happen to see this in a junkyard or are getting rid of some of these, I only need two small parts of the vinyl section. The seats are all pretty good with 2 rips in the drivers seat. I want to have those two parts reapolstered (SP?) I have two pictures of the new Bronc on the registry at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=556 OX == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:20:56 -0700 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering. My 79 is doing the same thing. It's worst in the morning when cold but it never quite goes away. I'm thinking the pump is getting weak. Any opinions? "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" - -----Original Message----- From: sam weatherby To: trucks ; lightning Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 9:58 AM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering. >I greased all my fightings and checked all the bolts, etc.. >I think it is better, but... > >The steering is still stiff when you are close to on center. about a 1/4 >turn from it and it seems normal. >When you let off the wheel it straightens out, but when it gets to the >"Stiff zone" it stops straightening out. > >A few weeks ago I did try to adjust some slop out of the box. I have sinced >loosened and it and see no change. >Is there a way to tell if I have damaged it. (same adjustment method I have >used on many othjer vehicles and no problems there...) >Or, my Pump is real noisy. Maybe something is not quite right inside it? > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:24:13 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Lockers and Limited slips Wish writes: >>the only ratio's I've heard of factory limited slips were 3.25 and higher numerically. I had a '69 428SCJ that had a 3L50 and I had a friend that had a '70 302Boss that had a 4L11. The "L" between the #'s indicated a factory Limited slip. Mine was 3.50:1 ratio and my friends was 4.11:1 ratio. If you have either a locker or a limited slip, and perform the rear wheel turn test with both rear wheels lifted and the tranny in neutral, BOTH will turn the same direction. If they turn opposite, or one turns and the other doesn't, it is "open". Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:38:08 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vibration Marko writes>> What you seem to have is a slip yoke problem. Now I really feel d u m b ...!!! I replaced a slip joint in one of my 4X4's within the last 2 years or so for this very reason, and promply forgot the problem. Dang... Its rough getting old and forgetful... Welcome back Marko. How is the 410 '67 Merc project??? Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:52:45 -0400 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 332 Willie and Marv write: >>> I am new to this list but if I am not mistaken the 1958 Ford was a 332 > interceptor. Could be wrong, but I dont think so. You may be new, but you're not wrong! The 352 was introduced in mid year '58 (to compete with Ch*bbys 348) and the 332 was continued thru mid year '59. Either could be had for that time period. One other interesting note during this interval was that you could get either a solid lifter cam or hydraulics both having the same torque and horsepower ratings. All the '58's however had adjustable rockers, whereas the '59's had non adjustables on the hydraulic versions. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:00:47 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tranny and Rear End Tags At 11:40 AM 4/13/99 , you wrote: >Where can I find my tranny and rear end tags of my 77 & >79 302's with AT? TIA > The rears should have a tag under one of the front bolts, usually one of the top or bottom couple of bolts. A nice metal tag with the numbers stamped into it, makes them hard to scratch off :) As for the tranny ... not sure there's really tags per say, so much as numbers cast into it and all ... usually you can identify the tranny by a) the door code or b) the pan shape, if you can sketch the pan shape, go to the local auto parts store, if they don't know off the top of their heads, they can look it up for you. Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:10:34 -0400 From: Tony Marino Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question Hey List! Quick question for you----- Dana - 60 Rear, out of a '78 F-250 4x4, 3.54 ratio--- tag number starts with D7 indicating it's a 77 axle. HOW MANY SPLINE?!?!?!?!? 31 or 35??!?!? Thanks! I won't be able to pull a shaft until the weekend and I need to know pronto! Maniac Marino tony pscico.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony At 01:24 PM 4/13/99 -0400, you wrote: >Wish writes: >>the only ratio's I've heard of factory limited slips >were 3.25 and higher numerically. > >I had a '69 428SCJ that had a 3L50 and I had a friend that had a '70 302Boss >that had a 4L11. The "L" between the #'s indicated a factory >Limited slip. Mine was 3.50:1 ratio and my friends was 4.11:1 ratio. > >If you have either a locker or a limited slip, and perform the rear wheel turn >test with both rear wheels lifted and the tranny in neutral, BOTH will turn the >same direction. If they turn opposite, or one turns and the other doesn't, it >is "open". > >Azie >Ardmore, Al. > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:21:03 -0700 From: "Brandt, Chris" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question 1978 model 60 rears use 31splines, the model 60 fronts use 35. Model 70 rears use 35. Have heard that some of the model 60-2, semi floater "light duty" vans use 35 splines never seen one in person however... > -----Original Message----- > From:Tony Marino [SMTP:tony pscico.com] > Sent:Tuesday, April 13, 1999 7:11 PM > To:61-79-list ford-trucks.com > Subject:FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question > > Hey List! Quick question for you----- > > Dana - 60 Rear, out of a '78 F-250 4x4, 3.54 ratio--- tag number starts > with D7 indicating it's a 77 axle. HOW MANY SPLINE?!?!?!?!? > > 31 or 35??!?!? > > Thanks! I won't be able to pull a shaft until the weekend and I need to > know pronto! > > Maniac Marino > tony pscico.com > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony > > > At 01:24 PM 4/13/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Wish writes: >>the only ratio's I've heard of factory limited slips > >were 3.25 and higher numerically. > > > >I had a '69 428SCJ that had a 3L50 and I had a friend that had a '70 > 302Boss > >that had a 4L11. The "L" between the #'s indicated a factory > >Limited slip. Mine was 3.50:1 ratio and my friends was 4.11:1 ratio. > > > >If you have either a locker or a limited slip, and perform the rear wheel > turn > >test with both rear wheels lifted and the tranny in neutral, BOTH will > turn the > >same direction. If they turn opposite, or one turns and the other > doesn't, it > >is "open". > > > >Azie > >Ardmore, Al. > > > > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:20:24 +0200 From: "Bill Brox" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100 Steering wheel. Hi all. I went to take a look at a F-100 said to be a 1965. It had the front of a 1966, but who knows, maybe some have kicked out the 65 grille in favor of a 66. A little rust, in left door bottom rear corner. Left windshield post, a little here and a little there. But the bed looked like a 5-10 year old bed on trucks we see here in Norway. Engine was hard to start because the battery was flat..... once we put on a different battery it started like a wonder. It also seemed to have a lever under the dash for Overdrive.... have no clue how that worked. What transmission does it have ? BUT, some lunatic had changed the steering wheel from original to some tiny ring... not wedding ring size, but close... lol. Is it hard to find a decent steering wheel of original type ? What price ? Is the steering wheel in a 1965 and a 1966 a lot different ? If I can get my Aerostar sold in a hurry, I will buy the F-100 and hopefully have some fun. Hope someone can help me. Bill Brox. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:34:53 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: FTE 61-79 - rebuild etc. Just an FYI for those of you following along on the rebuild stuffs ... I've updated the rebuild page (http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/rebuild.html), still no pics, but there's a link to it from my truck page now too. Also have started on a tuneup and front spring install pages, both are in the early stages and have very few pics, but you are welcome to take a peek at them if you would like to. Thanks, wish 73ish F-1?? 4x4 360-->390 http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html 96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:08:05 -0500 From: NORM Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question Actually the 78 Dana 60 stuff is all 30 spline not 31.....And According to a Spicer Book I have...the only 35 spline shaft used in the 60 stuff was in the semi floater stuff! But Dana 70 35 spline stuff is not a hard swap! NORM >1978 model 60 rears use 31splines, the model 60 fronts use 35. Model 70 >rears use 35. Have heard that some of the model 60-2, semi floater "light == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:21:03 -0400 From: luxjo thecore.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question NORM wrote: > > Actually the 78 Dana 60 stuff is all 30 spline not 31.....And According to > a Spicer Book I have...the only 35 spline shaft used in the 60 stuff was > in the semi floater stuff! But Dana 70 35 spline stuff is not a hard swap! > I thought it required too much grinding inside the spindles, leaving little metal left over, NO?? OX == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:24:55 -0400 From: luxjo thecore.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78-79 F250, 2WD front springs Hey all I am planning on installing these springs in the front of my 79 Bronco. I am told they will give about 2" of lift, ending up being 15" height compressed. My problem is, JC whipme wants a GVWR and VIN to order them. I assume they want the highest GVWR to get me the right spring. What choices for GVWR did 78-79 F250's, 2WD have? Also, if anyone could measure there installed spring height on one of these trucks, it would be appreciated. OX == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:27:35 -0700 From: "Brandt, Chris" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question 30 ....31 whatever it takes ! I have used Dana 70 35 spline side gears to put a pow'r loc in the front Dana 60 of a friends truck. I am not sure if the side gears from a standard carrier interchage... Anybody out there know? Not that anybody would be dumb enough to go through the effort of running the 70 axles with an open diff.... Prabably just run the 60-2 side gears with the model 70 axles for the simple swap..... Never have seen any 30 spline full float stuff break anyway...... Any big horspower guys ever kill the axles in a 60 ? If so under what conditions ? CB 78 F250 Lariat (snow fighter package...) Named "THE FORD" since new..... > -----Original Message----- > From:NORM [SMTP:dahorse jvlnet.com] > Sent:Tuesday, April 13, 1999 11:08 PM > To:61-79-list ford-trucks.com > Subject:RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question > > Actually the 78 Dana 60 stuff is all 30 spline not 31.....And According to > a Spicer Book I have...the only 35 spline shaft used in the 60 stuff was > in the semi floater stuff! But Dana 70 35 spline stuff is not a hard swap! > > > NORM > > > >1978 model 60 rears use 31splines, the model 60 fronts use 35. Model 70 > >rears use 35. Have heard that some of the model 60-2, semi floater "light > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:03:04 -0500 From: William S Hart Subject: FTE 61-79 - Spring install I know I just sent email saying my rebuild page had been updated, but I decided to keep working on the spring install page. I've pretty much finished it up, so it should provide some good reading and basic install procedures. If you look over it and think I've left out something major, feel free to let me know. Pat, I know you were talkin about doin this on your 2wd, maybe this will give you some pointers even though it won't hook up quite the same I'm sure. The address is : www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/Tech/Springs/springs.html There's also a link to it from my truck page, imagine that :) Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:06:42 -0500 From: NORM Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question >> Actually the 78 Dana 60 stuff is all 30 spline not 31.....And According to >> a Spicer Book I have...the only 35 spline shaft used in the 60 stuff was >> in the semi floater stuff! But Dana 70 35 spline stuff is not a hard swap! >> > I thought it required too much grinding inside the spindles, leaving >little metal left over, NO?? > > OX Well OX....IMHO it is not a "dangerous" modification. My friends trk that we ran at Top Trk (AKA The Rodent Exterminator) has this modification done, and he has jumped bashed, and otherwise used the hell out of this truck off road with no apparent problems! Now we used the Summers Bros shafts in this rearend! They are a two piece design ...A shaft splined on both ends and then a drive plate! These shafts are awesome but a bit spendy!.......But I know of a few truck pullers in the area that have done this swap using the 70 axles, and have had no probs whatsoever! If anyone knows of someone who has had probs with this "modification" I would like to know about it...as would John I am sure! NORM == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:17:19 -0500 From: NORM Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question . Never have seen any 30 spline full float stuff break >anyway...... Any big horspower guys ever kill the axles in a 60 ? If so >under what conditions ? > >CB A well...not sure if I qualify for "Big" horsepower or not but....I have broken a few in the past! Under what conditions you ask? Usually under extream self inflicted pressure to climb some hill nobody else got up....or the block long burnout with 38's type of things! In other words normal useage! P.S. My pile of broken 9 in stuff is way larger than my pile of 60 stuff!! NORM == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:39:36 -0400 From: luxjo thecore.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question Brandt, Chris wrote: > > 30 ....31 whatever it takes ! > I have used Dana 70 35 spline side gears to put a pow'r loc in the front > Dana 60 of a friends truck. I am not sure if the side gears from a standard > carrier interchage... Anybody out there know? Not that anybody would be > dumb enough to go through the effort of running the 70 axles with an open > diff.... Prabably just run the 60-2 side gears with the model 70 axles for > the simple swap..... Never have seen any 30 spline full float stuff break > anyway...... Any big horspower guys ever kill the axles in a 60 ? If so > under what conditions ? > Heehee, I did it about 2 weeks ago. Broke the axle shaft in 2 places and twisted the driveshaft splines. I don't have alot of horsies, but I still break regularly with low first, low range, 200lbs each tires and fully locked front and rear. I'm told that if I re-gear (still running 3.54's), that it will help, but that means 2 sets of gears and 2 new detroits. OX == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:51:34 -0400 From: luxjo thecore.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question NORM wrote: > ....But I know of a few truck pullers in the area that have done > this swap using the 70 axles, and have had no probs whatsoever! So how much do you have to grind out? How much is left? OX == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:11:30 EDT From: BRomines aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum lines I have a 77 model f-150 and I've had the same problem finding a detailed diagram for it as well. If you do away with the vacuum amplifier and its assosciated egr vacuum componets I believe you will have to make some adjustments to the timing and or the carb jetting. Let me know what you find out. I'm still fighting with mine too. B.J. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:20:37 PDT From: "steve potratz" Subject: FTE 61-79 - shaking truck Ted writes: >> I'm still here with a shaking truck. The center bearing definitely needed replaced, but it didn't solve the problem. The only time it does it is when it's in gear and moving. It stops when I let up on the gas. Since it stops when I let up, the guy that worked on it seems to think the driveshaft(s)?are out of balance. Seems logical. The only problem is finding someone around here that balances driveshafts. This small town life does have its disadvantages. Any other thoughts or suggestions are needed and greatly appreciated. Ted: Dollars to doughnuts the problem is the differential. I've had three trucks over the years with the same symptoms. It could be the pilot bearing(race) on the pinon, the pinon bearing(race) itself or in one case I had bad spider gear shafts on the inside that were cracked. You don't have to tear the whole thing apart to check if it is a 9" unit. The pinon assembly slips out from the small flange-remember to not loose the shims that are around the perimeter of the housing as they set the depth of the pinon. You can check the pilot bearing and the spider gears by just looking. The pinon bearing has to be disassembled. Better leave that to a diff. mechanic. The pilot can be replaced with a speedy sleeve if it is bad-not a major expense. Good Luck Steve Potratz 78 Supercab 4wd. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.msn.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:25:09 EDT From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Maryland List Members? Anyone on the list live near Baltimore?????? The old "free breakfast" offer still stands.... CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:25:42 EDT From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hills? In Ohio? Hey Chris and Rob, Sorry it took me a while to respond.....just got back from Ohio on Sunday... Anyway, I'm pretty sure the town was either Danville or Millwood....it was right in that area... You can't miss it, its on the north side of the road, it was about one acre of truck bodies, clips, beds, etc.... Sorry I didn't get better info! Hope you find it! CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:34:18 -0400 From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 colors I'll probably keep mine blue. I like the decal though. Has Marauder accross the top with the crossed checkered flags on the sides and the 410 * 4V accross the bottom. Later, - -Ted P.S.-If any one has a set of Mercury Valve covers for an FE drop me a line! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Marko Maryniak To: Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 11:57 PM Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 colors > At 09:04 PM 12/04/99 -0400, you wrote: > >Marko, > > > >Glad your back! > > > >I have a question for ya'. You redid an original 410, didn't you? What > >were the colors for that motor? I picked up some 410 decals this weekend at > >a swap meet for the 410 Marauder and the decal was gold. Is the breather > >and valve covers gold on the Mercury? TIA. > > > >-Ted > > Hey, Ted. > > The original color for the air cleaner was Old Ford Blue. Really. > > I am painting mine Endura semi-gloss black, however. It will look nasty > with the gold sticker. Nice snowflakes on it, huh? Or are they asterisks? > > > marko > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:27:40 -0500 From: "Ted Stringfellow" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum lines Thanks for the response.. - -----Original Message----- From: William S Hart To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 10:05 AM Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum lines >>Does anybody have any photos that show the connections and routing of the >>vacuum lines for a 1978 351M in a F150? The Chilton manual doesn't hav this >>one listed and the drawings aren't detailed enough to quite do the trick. >>Actually, I'm trying to figure out which ones I can plug so I can strip out >>all the emission controls and make maintenance simpler. >> >Do you have air ? Automatic ? If you have a manual tranny and no air, you >probably only NEED the vacuum advance to keep every thing working. Oh >yeah, and probably a power brake booster hose ... > >Since I have an auto, there are 2 more hoses that go to some pipes, never >took the time to figure out what they do or where they go, but they're there. > >With A/C there may be a couple more, I am pretty sure one goes to a vacuum >canister on the inner fender to let your heater controls move the correct >solenoids. > >Other than that I can't think of too many more you'd need... unless you >really need the emissions stuff, or a 351M is a lot different than any >other motor I've worked on ... > > >Just my 2cents > >wish > >Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html >'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html >'96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:44:46 -0400 From: Ted Wnorowski Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100 Steering wheel. The steering wheel on the '64 is the same as a Fairlane 3-spoke. I can't say for sure if '65 and '66 are the same or not. Ted Wnorowski Bellevue,OH Bill Brox wrote: > Hi all. > > I went to take a look at a F-100 said to be a 1965. It had the front of a > 1966, but who knows, maybe some have kicked out the 65 grille in favor of a > 66. > > A little rust, in left door bottom rear corner. Left windshield post, a.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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