61-79-list-digest Wednesday, April 14 1999 Volume 03 : Number 127



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - differential
FTE 61-79 - ac compressor to air compressor conversion
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE For '58
FTE 61-79 - Early (61-67) Econolines
Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 colors
Re: FTE 61-79 - Vibration
Re: FTE 61-79 - Early (61-67) Econolines
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE For '58
Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum lines
Re: FTE 61-79 - Odd engines ...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Odd engines ...
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Smoking a C4
FTE 61-79 - Tranny and Rear End Tags
FTE 61-79 - Steering.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast?
FTE 61-79 - New ride
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering.
FTE 61-79 - Lockers and Limited slips
FTE 61-79 - Vibration
FTE 61-79 - 332
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tranny and Rear End Tags
FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question
RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question
FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100 Steering wheel.
FTE 61-79 - rebuild etc.
RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question
FTE 61-79 - 78-79 F250, 2WD front springs
RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question
FTE 61-79 - Spring install
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question
RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question
Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum lines
FTE 61-79 - shaking truck
FTE 61-79 - Maryland List Members?
FTE 61-79 - Hills? In Ohio?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 colors
Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum lines
Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100 Steering wheel.
Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 colors

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:59:43 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - differential

The thing that confuses me is why the left wheel disengaged when I was
turning it. It seems like an open diff would have turned no matter what.
Then OTOH this might make sense as the right wheel would be the primary
drive wheel. The casting numbers in my original post were all I could find.
I won't get a chance to check again for a couple of weeks. I have eye
surgery again on Friday and won't be seeing too well this coming weekend. I
don't get noise on corners, but I still have a mysterious clunk. I can't
find any play any where in the driveline. I have new u-joints. The clunk is
minor and occasional but I'm pretty sure it is internal to the differential.

The reason I asked about the wrong lube in the diff is because I have heard
stories of limited slip units not performing properly because of the wrong
type of gear oil.

BTW my Owner's Manual suggests changing the engine oil and filter every
10,000 miles or 12 months, whichever occurs first. Maybe that's how 351M's
got they're bad rep for early failure. This is one bit of Ford advice that
I will continue to ignore.

- -John

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:22:14 -0600
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ac compressor to air compressor conversion

I decided to do the ac compressor to air compressor conversion thats in the
tech articles on the website. I discovered something that might help in
finding an upright donor compressor.

All late 60's and early 70's for vans used the upright compressor for
clearance issues. So, find such a van with air, and you will have a
compressor. I got mine out of a 72 van, and it was only $20.

Later, Colorado Rick
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:39:03 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE For '58

Thanks for your message at 10:45 PM 4/12/99 -0700, Marv Miller. Your
message was:
>Willie Moore wrote:
>
>> I am new to this list but if I am not mistaken the 1958 Ford was a 332
>> interceptor. Could be wrong, but I dont think so.
>
>You may be new, but you're not wrong!

Are you two saying Ford did not have a 352 in 1958?


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:55:32 -0400
From: "Don Haring, Jr."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Early (61-67) Econolines

"gman" said:
>
>I've only been on the list a very short while. There doesn't seem to be =
>much talk of vans from the 60's. I've been looking for any information =
>on them - ie. changes in each model year, photos of ford vans of that era=
> in stock condition, options offered in each year, drive train info, the =
>whole picture. Does anyone out there have such info or know where I can =
>get it? Off-list replies are welcome.
>
>g-man
>'96 Ranger Splash
==

I just signed on to the mailing list, and I drive a '66 Falcon Club Wagon
(the window version of the Econoline). There really isn't much information
out on the Web about the early Econolines.

There are, however, two good resources for early Econoline owners. The
first is a club called "Econo" which is basically a newsletter published
infrequently by Jay Long, Econo founder. It really only comes out about
twice a year now, but the back issues are helpful. The second resource is
"SES" -- Something Econoline Supplement, a more regular newsletter by Don
English, the Econo parts guru. Don English has a database of all Econoline
parts and what's available nationally.

If anyone is interested in either of these, let me know and I'll dig up the
contact info.

Oh, I guess I should mention that there is another discussion group that
addresses the vans and p/us, and that would be "The Ford Falcon News".
There are about 400 subscribers, and about 4 active van owners. Doesn't
sound like much, but between us, we can usually help each other out.
TFFN: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.dallasnw.quik.com/thorne/tffn

To answer your question simply, the first generation Econolines were from
1961 - 1967. The only visible style change in that time was the side trim
(thick for early, thin for late). The engine started as 144, switched to
170 in '63? and then 240 in '66. The later models had more options, but
were still very basic. A good place to see photos and options would be in
original Ford brochures. That's the nutshell answer.

I have more detailed info on these vans if anyone wants more. Believe it or
not, my van is my daily driver. It's an experiment in patience and torture.
:) Thanks for letting me take up so much space ...

- -don

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:49:05 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 colors

At 02:00 AM 13/04/99 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 4/12/99 6:14:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>oldparts ford-trucks.com writes:
>
>
> were the colors for that motor? I picked up some 410 decals this weekend at
> a swap meet for the 410 Marauder and the decal was gold. Is the breather
> and valve covers gold on the Mercury? TIA.
> >>
>In my original 1967 410 Mercury the air cleaner and valve covers were both
>Ford Engine Blue.
>Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460

Hey, Burt!

So, what have you done with the 410 since then?


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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:14:07 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vibration

>
> does your trk have an auto or man. trans?

It has a 4-speed.

>
> and does the thing vibrate out of gear or in neutral when the trk is
> sitting when you rev up the motor?

> No, only after the clutch is all the way out and the truck is moving. Right now the weather isn't cooperating (cool weather, mild depression). But all of you are great, and have given me plenty of things to look for. Some people thought that El~Nino was soooooo bad?

Thanks for everyone's help,
Ted


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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:59:35 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Early (61-67) Econolines

"Don Haring, Jr." wrote:

> It's an experiment in patience and torture.
>

VERY well put, my experiences with my '64 couldn't be described any better if I'd said it myself.

Ted


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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:01:16 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: FE For '58

I had a 58 car that had a 352 police interceptor in it.

Larry
At 07:39 AM 4/13/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Thanks for your message at 10:45 PM 4/12/99 -0700, Marv Miller. Your
>message was:
>>Willie Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I am new to this list but if I am not mistaken the 1958 Ford was a 332
>>> interceptor. Could be wrong, but I dont think so.
>>
>>You may be new, but you're not wrong!
>
>Are you two saying Ford did not have a 352 in 1958?
>
>
>Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA
>
>1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
>1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
>1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
> I shortened this to only FT's
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:07:20 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum lines

>Does anybody have any photos that show the connections and routing of the
>vacuum lines for a 1978 351M in a F150? The Chilton manual doesn't hav this
>one listed and the drawings aren't detailed enough to quite do the trick.
>Actually, I'm trying to figure out which ones I can plug so I can strip out
>all the emission controls and make maintenance simpler.
>
Do you have air ? Automatic ? If you have a manual tranny and no air, you
probably only NEED the vacuum advance to keep every thing working. Oh
yeah, and probably a power brake booster hose ...

Since I have an auto, there are 2 more hoses that go to some pipes, never
took the time to figure out what they do or where they go, but they're there.

With A/C there may be a couple more, I am pretty sure one goes to a vacuum
canister on the inner fender to let your heater controls move the correct
solenoids.

Other than that I can't think of too many more you'd need... unless you
really need the emissions stuff, or a 351M is a lot different than any
other motor I've worked on ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 07:56:58 -0800
From: "Terry Pendergrass"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Odd engines ...


- --

>[ from a different letter .... ]
>>(a buddy's dad swears he had an original 455 Chevy pickup ... )
>
>A 455 cid engine is a GM (either Buick or Oldsmobile) engine,
>and no doubt it would bolt right in ... It would be an odd thing to
>get one in a truck right off the assembly line though
>

I remember a friend of mine back in late 70's or early 80's that had a Ford "Granarch". It was made when Ford had their strike and the outside was a Granada and the inside was the Mercury Monarch. So just goes to show that that kind of stuff does happen.

Terry
'65 F100


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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:09:14 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Odd engines ...

Thanks for your message at 07:56 AM 4/13/99 -0800, Terry Pendergrass. Your
message was:
>I remember a friend of mine back in late 70's or early 80's that had a
Ford "Granarch". It was made when Ford had their strike and the outside was
a Granada and the inside was the Mercury Monarch. So just goes to show that
that kind of stuff does happen.
>

Yeah, and just look at what happened to Christine!


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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 08:10:13 -0800
From: "Terry Pendergrass"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Smoking a C4


- --

On Fri, 9 Apr 1999 06:17:47 Hogan, Tom wrote:
>Deacon,
>And what do you smoke a C4 with? ;0)
>
>Tom H
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My guess would be that it is really hard to get it in those rolling papers. ;o)

Terry


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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 12:40:13 -0400
From: William A Whited
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tranny and Rear End Tags

Where can I find my tranny and rear end tags of my 77 &
79 302's with AT? TIA

- --
William A Whited
74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302
79 F100 EXPLORER SUPERCAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK)
"IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI"


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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 09:49:34 -0700
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering.

I greased all my fightings and checked all the bolts, etc..
I think it is better, but...

The steering is still stiff when you are close to on center. about a 1/4
turn from it and it seems normal.
When you let off the wheel it straightens out, but when it gets to the
"Stiff zone" it stops straightening out.

A few weeks ago I did try to adjust some slop out of the box. I have sinced
loosened and it and see no change.
Is there a way to tell if I have damaged it. (same adjustment method I have
used on many othjer vehicles and no problems there...)
Or, my Pump is real noisy. Maybe something is not quite right inside it?

Anyone?
Thanks,
-srw

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:15:43 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast?

>I knew I could draw you in here, you being the only other wierdo
>(besides myself) that tickles dura-spark modules with signal
>generators just to see them sqirm!
>
>> Points: I = 0, V = 0
>> Ballast: I = 0, V = 0
>> Coil: I = 0, V = 12
>
>But Steve, you missed the charge on capacitor also! OK, it
>was a trick question :-)

Heehee, I was gonna mention it and ask you for particulars about the
voltage on the cap and how many microFarads the cap is, and about the
ESR of the cap and the wiring to the points and all that, but I decided
maybe it was better not to go there... (-:



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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 13:25:05 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New ride

Hey all

My brother drove the 79 Bronco we just got to my house Sat, followed
by me in a newer vehicle. This is going to be tow rig for my boat, as
the 78 is just to high now. Guess the 351M is not running that bad,
cause we hit about 93 on the highway. My Bro said the speedo was buried
and at the "M" on the MPH:-). He also said it was super smooth, even at
this speed, with just some wind noise around one of the vent windows. I
may G-tech the thing tomorrow to see what 0-60, and 1/4 mile time/speed
would be on a stock 79 Bronc. It is a cali truck, as it has the Ca.
sticker under the hood.

We put in the 100 MPH speedo I got a couple months back out of a real
early 70's pickup. It had no high beam indcator (No KPH either), so I
had to drill one and swap over the blue plastic. We installed a chrome
grill guard that came in the back of the truck. Also hooked up 4 lights
that were with it. Put in a CB, stereo and fixed the AC. Going to order
parts this week for the 2" lift. Hopefuly, those 2WD, F250 springs won't
be too stiff, as I have no desire to kill the nice ride this thing has.
One of the extra tires was a factory Firestone AT on a factory white
spoke rim. It is in brand new shape. Really weird to see after seeing
them in the 78 Brochure I have.

I'm also looking for the blue vinyl part of the XLT fabric/vinyl seats.
If you happen to see this in a junkyard or are getting rid of some of
these, I only need two small parts of the vinyl section. The seats are
all pretty good with 2 rips in the drivers seat. I want to have those
two parts reapolstered (SP?)

I have two pictures of the new Bronc on the registry at

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 10:20:56 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering.

My 79 is doing the same thing. It's worst in the morning when cold but it
never quite goes away. I'm thinking the pump is getting weak.

Any opinions?

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: sam weatherby
To: trucks ; lightning

Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 9:58 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering.


>I greased all my fightings and checked all the bolts, etc..
>I think it is better, but...
>
>The steering is still stiff when you are close to on center. about a 1/4
>turn from it and it seems normal.
>When you let off the wheel it straightens out, but when it gets to the
>"Stiff zone" it stops straightening out.
>
>A few weeks ago I did try to adjust some slop out of the box. I have sinced
>loosened and it and see no change.
>Is there a way to tell if I have damaged it. (same adjustment method I have
>used on many othjer vehicles and no problems there...)
>Or, my Pump is real noisy. Maybe something is not quite right inside it?
>



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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:24:13 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Lockers and Limited slips

Wish writes: >>the only ratio's I've heard of factory limited slips
were 3.25 and higher numerically.

I had a '69 428SCJ that had a 3L50 and I had a friend that had a '70 302Boss
that had a 4L11. The "L" between the #'s indicated a factory
Limited slip. Mine was 3.50:1 ratio and my friends was 4.11:1 ratio.

If you have either a locker or a limited slip, and perform the rear wheel turn
test with both rear wheels lifted and the tranny in neutral, BOTH will turn the
same direction. If they turn opposite, or one turns and the other doesn't, it
is "open".

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:38:08 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vibration

Marko writes>> What you seem to have is a slip yoke problem.

Now I really feel d u m b ...!!! I replaced a slip joint in one of my 4X4's
within the last 2 years or so for this very reason, and promply forgot the
problem. Dang... Its rough getting old and forgetful...

Welcome back Marko. How is the 410 '67 Merc project???

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:52:45 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 332

Willie and Marv write: >>> I am new to this list but if I am not mistaken the
1958 Ford was a 332
> interceptor. Could be wrong, but I dont think so.

You may be new, but you're not wrong!

The 352 was introduced in mid year '58 (to compete with Ch*bbys 348) and the
332 was continued thru mid year '59. Either could be had for that time period.
One other interesting note during this interval was that you could get either a
solid lifter cam or hydraulics both having the same torque and horsepower
ratings. All the '58's however had adjustable rockers, whereas the '59's had
non adjustables on the hydraulic versions.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 13:00:47 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tranny and Rear End Tags

At 11:40 AM 4/13/99 , you wrote:
>Where can I find my tranny and rear end tags of my 77 &
>79 302's with AT? TIA
>
The rears should have a tag under one of the front bolts, usually one of
the top or bottom couple of bolts. A nice metal tag with the numbers
stamped into it, makes them hard to scratch off :)

As for the tranny ... not sure there's really tags per say, so much as
numbers cast into it and all ... usually you can identify the tranny by a)
the door code or b) the pan shape, if you can sketch the pan shape, go to
the local auto parts store, if they don't know off the top of their heads,
they can look it up for you.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 14:10:34 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question

Hey List! Quick question for you-----

Dana - 60 Rear, out of a '78 F-250 4x4, 3.54 ratio--- tag number starts
with D7 indicating it's a 77 axle. HOW MANY SPLINE?!?!?!?!?

31 or 35??!?!?

Thanks! I won't be able to pull a shaft until the weekend and I need to
know pronto!

Maniac Marino
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At 01:24 PM 4/13/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Wish writes: >>the only ratio's I've heard of factory limited slips
>were 3.25 and higher numerically.
>
>I had a '69 428SCJ that had a 3L50 and I had a friend that had a '70 302Boss
>that had a 4L11. The "L" between the #'s indicated a factory
>Limited slip. Mine was 3.50:1 ratio and my friends was 4.11:1 ratio.
>
>If you have either a locker or a limited slip, and perform the rear wheel turn
>test with both rear wheels lifted and the tranny in neutral, BOTH will
turn the
>same direction. If they turn opposite, or one turns and the other doesn't, it
>is "open".
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 11:21:03 -0700
From: "Brandt, Chris"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question

1978 model 60 rears use 31splines, the model 60 fronts use 35. Model 70
rears use 35. Have heard that some of the model 60-2, semi floater "light
duty" vans use 35 splines never seen one in person however...

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Tony Marino [SMTP:tony pscico.com]
> Sent:Tuesday, April 13, 1999 7:11 PM
> To:61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question
>
> Hey List! Quick question for you-----
>
> Dana - 60 Rear, out of a '78 F-250 4x4, 3.54 ratio--- tag number starts
> with D7 indicating it's a 77 axle. HOW MANY SPLINE?!?!?!?!?
>
> 31 or 35??!?!?
>
> Thanks! I won't be able to pull a shaft until the weekend and I need to
> know pronto!
>
> Maniac Marino
> tony pscico.com
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony
>
>
> At 01:24 PM 4/13/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >Wish writes: >>the only ratio's I've heard of factory limited slips
> >were 3.25 and higher numerically.
> >
> >I had a '69 428SCJ that had a 3L50 and I had a friend that had a '70
> 302Boss
> >that had a 4L11. The "L" between the #'s indicated a factory
> >Limited slip. Mine was 3.50:1 ratio and my friends was 4.11:1 ratio.
> >
> >If you have either a locker or a limited slip, and perform the rear wheel
> turn
> >test with both rear wheels lifted and the tranny in neutral, BOTH will
> turn the
> >same direction. If they turn opposite, or one turns and the other
> doesn't, it
> >is "open".
> >
> >Azie
> >Ardmore, Al.
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:20:24 +0200
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100 Steering wheel.

Hi all.

I went to take a look at a F-100 said to be a 1965. It had the front of a
1966, but who knows, maybe some have kicked out the 65 grille in favor of a
66.

A little rust, in left door bottom rear corner. Left windshield post, a
little here and a little there. But the bed looked like a 5-10 year old bed
on trucks we see here in Norway.

Engine was hard to start because the battery was flat..... once we put on a
different battery it started like a wonder. It also seemed to have a lever
under the dash for Overdrive.... have no clue how that worked. What
transmission does it have ?

BUT, some lunatic had changed the steering wheel from original to some tiny
ring... not wedding ring size, but close... lol.
Is it hard to find a decent steering wheel of original type ? What price ?
Is the steering wheel in a 1965 and a 1966 a lot different ?

If I can get my Aerostar sold in a hurry, I will buy the F-100 and
hopefully have some fun.

Hope someone can help me.


Bill Brox.





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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 16:34:53 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - rebuild etc.

Just an FYI for those of you following along on the rebuild stuffs ... I've
updated the rebuild page
(http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/rebuild.html), still no pics, but
there's a link to it from my truck page now too.

Also have started on a tuneup and front spring install pages, both are in
the early stages and have very few pics, but you are welcome to take a peek
at them if you would like to.


Thanks,
wish
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 17:08:05 -0500
From: NORM
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question

Actually the 78 Dana 60 stuff is all 30 spline not 31.....And According to
a Spicer Book I have...the only 35 spline shaft used in the 60 stuff was
in the semi floater stuff! But Dana 70 35 spline stuff is not a hard swap!
NORM


>1978 model 60 rears use 31splines, the model 60 fronts use 35. Model 70
>rears use 35. Have heard that some of the model 60-2, semi floater "light

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:21:03 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question

NORM wrote:
>
> Actually the 78 Dana 60 stuff is all 30 spline not 31.....And According to
> a Spicer Book I have...the only 35 spline shaft used in the 60 stuff was
> in the semi floater stuff! But Dana 70 35 spline stuff is not a hard swap!
>
I thought it required too much grinding inside the spindles, leaving
little metal left over, NO??

OX
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 18:24:55 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78-79 F250, 2WD front springs

Hey all

I am planning on installing these springs in the front of my 79
Bronco. I am told they will give about 2" of lift, ending up being 15"
height compressed. My problem is, JC whipme wants a GVWR and VIN to
order them. I assume they want the highest GVWR to get me the right
spring. What choices for GVWR did 78-79 F250's, 2WD have? Also, if
anyone could measure there installed spring height on one of these
trucks, it would be appreciated.

OX
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 15:27:35 -0700
From: "Brandt, Chris"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question

30 ....31 whatever it takes !
I have used Dana 70 35 spline side gears to put a pow'r loc in the front
Dana 60 of a friends truck. I am not sure if the side gears from a standard
carrier interchage... Anybody out there know? Not that anybody would be
dumb enough to go through the effort of running the 70 axles with an open
diff.... Prabably just run the 60-2 side gears with the model 70 axles for
the simple swap..... Never have seen any 30 spline full float stuff break
anyway...... Any big horspower guys ever kill the axles in a 60 ? If so
under what conditions ?

CB

78 F250 Lariat (snow fighter package...) Named "THE FORD" since new.....
> -----Original Message-----
> From:NORM [SMTP:dahorse jvlnet.com]
> Sent:Tuesday, April 13, 1999 11:08 PM
> To:61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question
>
> Actually the 78 Dana 60 stuff is all 30 spline not 31.....And According to
> a Spicer Book I have...the only 35 spline shaft used in the 60 stuff was
> in the semi floater stuff! But Dana 70 35 spline stuff is not a hard swap!
>
>
> NORM
>
>
> >1978 model 60 rears use 31splines, the model 60 fronts use 35. Model 70
> >rears use 35. Have heard that some of the model 60-2, semi floater "light
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:03:04 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Spring install

I know I just sent email saying my rebuild page had been updated, but I
decided to keep working on the spring install page. I've pretty much
finished it up, so it should provide some good reading and basic install
procedures. If you look over it and think I've left out something major,
feel free to let me know.

Pat, I know you were talkin about doin this on your 2wd, maybe this will
give you some pointers even though it won't hook up quite the same I'm sure.

The address is :
www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/Tech/Springs/springs.html

There's also a link to it from my truck page, imagine that :)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:06:42 -0500
From: NORM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question


>> Actually the 78 Dana 60 stuff is all 30 spline not 31.....And According to
>> a Spicer Book I have...the only 35 spline shaft used in the 60 stuff was
>> in the semi floater stuff! But Dana 70 35 spline stuff is not a hard swap!
>>

> I thought it required too much grinding inside the spindles, leaving
>little metal left over, NO??
>
> OX

Well OX....IMHO it is not a "dangerous" modification. My friends trk that
we ran at Top Trk (AKA The Rodent Exterminator) has this modification
done, and he has jumped bashed, and otherwise used the hell out of this
truck off road with no apparent problems! Now we used the Summers Bros
shafts in this rearend! They are a two piece design ...A shaft splined on
both ends and then a drive plate! These shafts are awesome but a bit
spendy!.......But I know of a few truck pullers in the area that have done
this swap using the 70 axles, and have had no probs whatsoever! If anyone
knows of someone who has had probs with this "modification" I would like to
know about it...as would John I am sure!
NORM
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:17:19 -0500
From: NORM
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question

. Never have seen any 30 spline full float stuff break
>anyway...... Any big horspower guys ever kill the axles in a 60 ? If so
>under what conditions ?
>
>CB

A well...not sure if I qualify for "Big" horsepower or not but....I have
broken a few in the past!
Under what conditions you ask? Usually under extream self inflicted
pressure to climb some hill nobody else got up....or the block long burnout
with 38's type of things! In other words normal useage! P.S. My pile of
broken 9 in stuff is way larger than my pile of 60 stuff!!
NORM
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:39:36 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question

Brandt, Chris wrote:
>
> 30 ....31 whatever it takes !
> I have used Dana 70 35 spline side gears to put a pow'r loc in the front
> Dana 60 of a friends truck. I am not sure if the side gears from a standard
> carrier interchage... Anybody out there know? Not that anybody would be
> dumb enough to go through the effort of running the 70 axles with an open
> diff.... Prabably just run the 60-2 side gears with the model 70 axles for
> the simple swap..... Never have seen any 30 spline full float stuff break
> anyway...... Any big horspower guys ever kill the axles in a 60 ? If so
> under what conditions ?
>

Heehee, I did it about 2 weeks ago. Broke the axle shaft in 2 places
and twisted the driveshaft splines. I don't have alot of horsies, but I
still break regularly with low first, low range, 200lbs each tires and
fully locked front and rear. I'm told that if I re-gear (still running
3.54's), that it will help, but that means 2 sets of gears and 2 new
detroits.

OX
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 19:51:34 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 Spline question

NORM wrote:
>
....But I know of a few truck pullers in the area that have done
> this swap using the 70 axles, and have had no probs whatsoever!

So how much do you have to grind out? How much is left?

OX
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 21:11:30 EDT
From: BRomines aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum lines

I have a 77 model f-150 and I've had the same problem finding a detailed
diagram for it as well. If you do away with the vacuum amplifier and its
assosciated egr vacuum componets I believe you will have to make some
adjustments to the timing and or the carb jetting. Let me know what you find
out. I'm still fighting with mine too.



B.J.

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 18:20:37 PDT
From: "steve potratz"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - shaking truck

Ted writes: >> I'm still here with a shaking truck. The center
bearing definitely needed replaced, but it didn't solve the problem.
The only time it does it is when it's in gear and moving. It stops
when I let up on the gas.
Since it stops when I let up, the guy that worked on it seems to think
the driveshaft(s)?are out of balance. Seems logical.
The only problem is finding someone around here that balances
driveshafts. This small town life does have its disadvantages. Any
other thoughts or suggestions are needed and greatly appreciated.

Ted: Dollars to doughnuts the problem is the differential. I've had
three trucks over the years with the same symptoms. It could be the
pilot bearing(race) on the pinon, the pinon bearing(race) itself or in
one case I had bad spider gear shafts on the inside that were cracked.
You don't have to tear the whole thing apart to check if it is a 9"
unit. The pinon assembly slips out from the small flange-remember to
not loose the shims that are around the perimeter of the housing as
they set the depth of the pinon. You can check the pilot bearing and
the spider gears by just looking. The pinon bearing has to be
disassembled. Better leave that to a diff. mechanic. The pilot can
be replaced with a speedy sleeve if it is bad-not a major expense.

Good Luck
Steve Potratz
78 Supercab 4wd.

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:25:09 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Maryland List Members?

Anyone on the list live near Baltimore??????

The old "free breakfast" offer still stands....

CJ
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:25:42 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hills? In Ohio?

Hey Chris and Rob,

Sorry it took me a while to respond.....just got back from Ohio on Sunday...

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the town was either Danville or Millwood....it was
right in that area...

You can't miss it, its on the north side of the road, it was about one acre
of truck
bodies, clips, beds, etc....

Sorry I didn't get better info!

Hope you find it!

CJ
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:34:18 -0400
From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 colors

I'll probably keep mine blue. I like the decal though. Has Marauder
accross the top with the crossed checkered flags on the sides and the 410 *
4V accross the bottom.

Later,

- -Ted

P.S.-If any one has a set of Mercury Valve covers for an FE drop me a line!

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Marko Maryniak
To:
Sent: Monday, April 12, 1999 11:57 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 colors


> At 09:04 PM 12/04/99 -0400, you wrote:
> >Marko,
> >
> >Glad your back!
> >
> >I have a question for ya'. You redid an original 410, didn't you? What
> >were the colors for that motor? I picked up some 410 decals this weekend
at
> >a swap meet for the 410 Marauder and the decal was gold. Is the breather
> >and valve covers gold on the Mercury? TIA.
> >
> >-Ted
>
> Hey, Ted.
>
> The original color for the air cleaner was Old Ford Blue. Really.
>
> I am painting mine Endura semi-gloss black, however. It will look nasty
> with the gold sticker. Nice snowflakes on it, huh? Or are they
asterisks?
>
>
> marko
>
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 1999 22:27:40 -0500
From: "Ted Stringfellow"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum lines

Thanks for the response..
- -----Original Message-----
From: William S Hart
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, April 13, 1999 10:05 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum lines


>>Does anybody have any photos that show the connections and routing of the
>>vacuum lines for a 1978 351M in a F150? The Chilton manual doesn't hav
this
>>one listed and the drawings aren't detailed enough to quite do the trick.
>>Actually, I'm trying to figure out which ones I can plug so I can strip
out
>>all the emission controls and make maintenance simpler.
>>
>Do you have air ? Automatic ? If you have a manual tranny and no air, you
>probably only NEED the vacuum advance to keep every thing working. Oh
>yeah, and probably a power brake booster hose ...
>
>Since I have an auto, there are 2 more hoses that go to some pipes, never
>took the time to figure out what they do or where they go, but they're
there.
>
>With A/C there may be a couple more, I am pretty sure one goes to a vacuum
>canister on the inner fender to let your heater controls move the correct
>solenoids.
>
>Other than that I can't think of too many more you'd need... unless you
>really need the emissions stuff, or a 351M is a lot different than any
>other motor I've worked on ...
>
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>wish
>
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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 00:44:46 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 65 F-100 Steering wheel.

The steering wheel on the '64 is the same as a Fairlane 3-spoke. I can't say for sure if '65 and '66 are the same or not.

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH

Bill Brox wrote:

> Hi all.
>
> I went to take a look at a F-100 said to be a 1965. It had the front of a
> 1966, but who knows, maybe some have kicked out the 65 grille in favor of a
> 66.
>
> A little rust, in left door bottom rear corner. Left windshield post, a....


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