61-79-list-digest Sunday, April 11 1999 Volume 03 : Number 124



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts
FTE 61-79 - 534 cid engine
RE: FTE 61-79 - Gas leaking from carb
FTE 61-79 - Re: gas leaking from carb
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas leaking from carb
FTE 61-79 - 352 heads on a 390?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Intake and heads for an FE 360
Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 heads on a 390?
FTE 61-79 - tach question.
Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 heads on a 390?
Re: FTE 61-79 - tach question.
FTE 61-79 - Re:Ohio Tractor, I mean Marino's Truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Ohio Tractor, I mean Marino's Truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas leaking from carb
FTE 61-79 - Portland, OR Swap Meet
FTE 61-79 - Northern Auto Parts Catolog

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 07:45:08 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts

In a message dated 4/10/99 1:15:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
danger csolutions.net writes:

> BTW:) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.edstrom.com/lab/Stnless_Steel/diagram.htm contains info and
> links about stainless steel alloys, and you don't have to be a rocket
> scientist to understand the info presented... woohooo!
>
Great link...turns out you don't have to be a metallurgist either.

Stock Man
(a/k/a Thom B.)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 09:53:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: rustytruck webtv.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 534 cid engine

I wonder if that 534 cid beast would fit in my 1978 F150? That would be
a monster at our
yearly truck pulls here!

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 10:10:53 -0400
From: "PmctBaker"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Gas leaking from carb

hey Greg,

Check the needle and seat that controls inlet fuel to the bowl. sounds like
its sticking.

mike baker

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 08:47:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: gas leaking from carb

Greg,

Replace the Needle and Seat inside the carb, check the
float as well.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 03:07:32 -0400
From: Becky & Greg
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gas leaking from carb

Recently my 79 300six has developed a habit of
flooding itself out when
driving in town. It floods enough to stall the motor
and expell a
significant amount of gas through the carb. I have
checked the manifold
for cracks, replaced the manifold gasket and inspected
the nearly new
carb (1bbl Carter) and everything checks out O.K.
Just when I assume I have the problem recified it
happens again. Any
other suggestions as to the cause?The problem only
arises about once
every two weeks and only when in town at low speeds.
This truck is a
daily driver (about 200 miles a week,90 percent
highway)

Thanks Greg



_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:40:27 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas leaking from carb

Greg wrote:
>
> Recently my 79 300six has developed a habit of flooding itself
> out when driving in town. It floods enough to stall the motor
> and expell a significant amount of gas through the carb.
[snip]

As Dan and Mike replied, definately a needle & seat problem. I'd
suspect something clogging it, maybe a fuel hose falling apart
on the inside - little bits of mobile rubber floating in a fuel
line can cause all sorts of grief.
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Pat Brown
More rain today in Sebastopol, California

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 12:05:43 -0700
From: Sean Hess
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 352 heads on a 390?

Mis listeros,

I just got this month's issue of _Car Craft_ - I love that mag. Good humor,
cheap approaches to cool rides, etc.

Anyway, one idea that they had for modifying Che*y 350s was to install the
heads off of a 305. The smaller bore of these engines resulted in smaller
combustion chambers compared to the 350 heads, thus increasing the compression
ratio.

Could this same technique be used to up the comp. ratio of a 390? Would it be
mechanically workable?

Sean
'69 F250

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 13:10:05 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Intake and heads for an FE 360

At 11:07 PM 09/04/99 -0700, you wrote:
> I'll be working on my 69 F250 360 auto soon. The 2 bbl intake manifold
>will be replaced with a cast iron 4 bbl with Holley carb, and the heads are
>going to get new valve stem seals.
>
First of all, I'd buy a book if I were you, called "How to rebuild Big
Block Ford Engines" by Steve Christ, HP Books, ISBN 0-89586-070-8 shud be
available at your local auto parts store, or if not, check Internet Racer's
Supply (don't know the URL offhand).

Get your intake checked and milled straight. There is a chart in the book
for how much to mill the heads & intake to get an even fit on the angled
portion which is between the head and intake.

>I would like to know...
>1) What the torque specs are for the intake and heads (foot pounds and
>torque sequence).

Head torque sequence is, (keep in mind that the upper row is the intake
side, the bottom row is exhaust side)

9 5 1 3 7
10 6 2 4 8

torque first to 70, then to 80, then to 90.

If you're using Fel-Pro blue gaskets, DON'T use a sealant. They don't need
retorquing either.

The intake torque sequence is

4 7 1 11 9 6
backfront
5 10 2 12 8 3

Use silicone sealer on the manifold bolts, and torque to 32-35.


>2) Can these old valves and guides be used with todays unleaded gasoline?
>(recently passed state emissions, it just smokes when started)

Check the seats. If they are in any way burned, it would be best to have
hardened inserts put in.

>
>I had planned on...
>1) Spray penetrating oil to exhaust bolts many times before disassembly

Oh yeah. It's also good to crack them after running the engine until it is
hot.

>2) High temp RTV for the front and rear of the intake manifold (throw cork
>gasket away)

Yup. Lay a 1/4" bead on the block. Then when it skins, lay another thin
(1/8") bead on top and then CAREFULLY drop the manifold on top. You will
see the silicone squeeze out.

>3) Coat both sides of the new head gasket with"Copper Spray a Gasket"

See above. Probably not needed.

>4) Coat new exhaust bolts with "Anti-seize" lubricant

You bet. Use NeverSeez or something like that, or the gasfitting copper
stuff. Chase the threads out first with a tap, and clean the bolts with a
wire wheel on your bench grinder.

>5) Install pushrods in original location, but reverse them end to end

I don't think this is a good idea. If they're not too worn and you haven't
touched the lifters, put them back the way they were. If you've milled the
heads you may need a new set of shorter pushrods, and lifters too, since
the pushrods will have seated themselves in the old lifters.

>6) Follow instructions at http://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/pushrods.html
>for rocker shaft assembly.

Yes, I think. I haven't checked that but be sure to torque the shafts on
SLOWLY in STAGES and with the engine in the proper position.

>
>Is there something that I should do and have not listed?
>Is there something that I plan on doing that shouldn't be done?
>

My best advice is to buy the book. Best 16 bucks you could spend.


marko

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 14:21:04 -0600
From: Marko Maryniak
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 heads on a 390?

At 12:05 PM 10/04/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Mis listeros,
>
>I just got this month's issue of _Car Craft_ - I love that mag. Good humor,
>cheap approaches to cool rides, etc.
>
>Anyway, one idea that they had for modifying Che*y 350s was to install the
>heads off of a 305. The smaller bore of these engines resulted in smaller
>combustion chambers compared to the 350 heads, thus increasing the
compression
>ratio.
>
>Could this same technique be used to up the comp. ratio of a 390? Would
it be
>mechanically workable?
>
>Sean
>'69 F250
>

Personally I wouldn't bolt any Ch*vy heads onto my FE, let alone 305's.
You could try if you want. Let us know how it works out.

marko

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 15:08:29 -0600
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tach question.

Hello list. My tachometer needle jumps around when the motor is running
between 2500-3000 rpm. What's it trying to tell me? High speed miss? Bad
points?

Oh yeah, it's a '67 F100 with a 390 and breaker point ignition. The points
and condenser are only a month old.

Thanks for any advice,


Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 02:59:30 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 352 heads on a 390?

Marko wrote:
>
> Sean wrote:
> >Anyway, one idea that they had for modifying Che*y 350s was to
> > install the heads off of a 305. The smaller bore of these
> > engines resulted in smaller combustion chambers compared to
> > the 350 heads, thus increasing the compression ratio.
> >Could this same technique be used to up the comp. ratio of a 390?

> Personally I wouldn't bolt any Ch*vy heads onto my FE, let alone
> 305's.

Mmmm. Me thinks Sean was refering to bolting 352 FE heads onto his
390. But, I know, Marko sees Ch&vy and these little mushroom clouds
start poping off around him :-)

Sean, there are a bunch of FE heads around, it looks like most have
68-71 cc chambers. One exception is the COAE-6049H, 1960-62, at 60-
63 cc. I'll let the higher educated amongst us tell you where you
might find, or if you can find a set of these heads. This info comes
from Ganahl's Ford Performance book, which comes highly recommended
here.
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Pat Brown
Nukin' GM from Sebastopol, California

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:37:03 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - tach question.

My 88 1/2 Escort GT did this, it wound up being bad plug wires.

Ted

Drew Beatty wrote:

> Hello list. My tachometer needle jumps around when the motor is running
> between 2500-3000 rpm. What's it trying to tell me? High speed miss? Bad
> points?
>
> Oh yeah, it's a '67 F100 with a 390 and breaker point ignition. The points
> and condenser are only a month old.
>
> Thanks for any advice,
>
> Drew Beatty
> dcbeatty rmi.net
>
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:40:22 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Ohio Tractor, I mean Marino's Truck

Just got to visit the List Maniac, Tony Marino.....saw his truck corral and
sure enough, he's got a 78 3/4 ton 4x4 frame....with a Dana 60 front axle and
a divorced transfer case....wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see
it.....This thing is going to be a tough pullin' machine.....Sleddog better
watch out!

Also rode in Tony's 78 1/2 ton 4x4....this thing is cool....when you look
under the hood, there's a green engine that says "John Deere" on the valve
cover...not really, its actually a 300 that has as much torque as any Deere
motor out there!!!!!

I liked to torque, but can I see its going to take a real concerted effort by
Stu and I to enlighten this kid so he sees things the FE way.....

Anyway, Tony sent me on my way with a dufflebag full of parts....the airline
baggage handlers are going to love it!

Thanks again Tony for a great tour!

CJ











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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:19:06 -0400
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Ohio Tractor, I mean Marino's Truck

>I liked to torque, but can I see its going to take a real concerted effort by
>Stu and I to enlighten this kid so he sees things the FE way.....

Oh boy-- another person calling me "Kid"....
hehehehe... 8-)

>Anyway, Tony sent me on my way with a dufflebag full of parts....the airline
>baggage handlers are going to love it!

More than welcome CJ!!!!

Tony
tony pscico.com
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 21:34:23 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gas leaking from carb

In a message dated 4/10/99 12:18:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
chalearn sympatico.ca writes:


driving in town. It floods enough to stall the motor and expell a
significant amount of gas through the carb. >> inspected the nearly new
carb (1bbl Carter) and everything checks out O.K.

There really is only one thing that can cause what you describe, and that is
a problem with the float and/or needle valve. You indicated the carb is
nearly new. Take it back most of these items have a year warranty or longer
depending of course where you bought it. Otherwise you need to pull the carb
apart and insure the float is set properly and that it has totally free
movement (not rubbing on anything). It is more difficult to determine the
condition of the needle valve especially if it only occurs periodically. I
recommend you buy a new needle and seat before opening up the carb. Replace
the seat and needle, make sure the seat gasket is sealing, then check out the
float and set it correctly. Look for any of rubbing or anything that might
prevent the float from traveling full stroke. I have been fortunate and have
been able to return a couple of carbs when they acted up.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 20:27:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Portland, OR Swap Meet

What would the Portland Swap Meet be without plenty of rain.

I ended up getting a tailgate for my truck. It is absolutely
perfect. Straight, no dents, no rust, and original paint.
FWIW, the guy said the person he got it from had a fifth wheel
and took it off when the truck was brand new. It looks it.
It is complete, with all the latch hardware and chrome trim.

On the way out I heard someone say to their friend. "Nice
tailgate, too bad its a Ford." Gosh, sometimes I feel bad
for the un-enlightened folk who believe all that Chevy
nonsense. Oh well, their loss.

I also got another owners manual, a '74 Ford Truck sales
brochure, and a binder with all the Ford TSB's covering the
'74 model year. :)

Mark in Southwest Washington
www.pacifier.com/~draco
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'74 F-100 4X4
'74 F-250 Supercab

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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 1999 00:12:45 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Northern Auto Parts Catolog

Got my new Northern Auto Parts Catalog and there a couple of things in it
this List might be interested in.
1. "Ignitior" Breakerless electronic ignition System $59.95. I just....


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