61-79-list-digest Saturday, April 10 1999 Volume 03 : Number 123



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Block Casting Numbers
FTE 61-79 - great Gas out
FTE 61-79 - RE74 restoration ? about fender and box fit
FTE 61-79 - Kroil
[none]
FTE 61-79 - Where's Gary?
FTE 61-79 - RE: Smoking a C4
FTE 61-79 -- New comming...
Re: FTE 61-79 -- New comming...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Odd engines ...
Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 2 v
Re: FTE 61-79 -- New comming...
Re: FTE 61-79 -- New comming...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Hills? In Ohio?
Re: FTE 61-79 - looking for stu?
FTE 61-79 - Differences of opinion
Re: FTE 61-79 - Hills? In Ohio?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 2 v
FTE 61-79 - Re: 490 series
Re: FTE 61-79 - ATT: '93-'95 LIGHTNING OWNERS
FTE 61-79 - Re: extra credit question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Kroil
RE: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Differences of opinion
FTE 61-79 - Re: Stainless Exhaust Materials
Re: FTE 61-79 - Differences of opinion
Re: FTE 61-79 - Differences of opinion
FTE 61-79 - great gas out
FTE 61-79 - 490 Ford engine
Re: FTE 61-79 - Where's Gary?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Report on Marko Maryniak and his 1967 Mercury M-250 4x4 resto
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: extra credit question
FTE 61-79 - 490 V8
FTE 61-79 - tow trucks
FTE 61-79 - stainless steel exhaust
Re: FTE 61-79 - front spring height
AC systems; was Re: FTE 61-79 - great Gas out.
FTE 61-79 - stainless steel
Re: FTE 61-79 - truck names
Re: FTE 61-79 - "great Gas out"
FTE 61-79 - 73 F100??
Re: FTE 61-79 - Differences of opinion
FTE 61-79 - Opinions; new truck
FTE 61-79 - Intake and heads for an FE 360
FTE 61-79 - Gas leaking from carb
FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE - Truck's pet name
FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79 - Odd engines

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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:26:42 -0400
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Block Casting Numbers

> ----------
> From: Thomas M. Shepard[SMTP:tmshepard mindspring.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 08, 1999 9:38 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Block Casting Numbers
>
>
> The casting numbers are: D8VE - 6015 - A3A 7G12
>
> The engine runs, but what is it.....I think I should find out before I do
> any more mods.
>
>
> Thomas Shepard
> Gainesville GA
> tmshepard mindspring.com
>
Thomas, check this out.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/


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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:10:21 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - great Gas out

>>If there is anything to get upset about, it is the pervert in the White
>>House

Amen, brother John!!

How about doing something about Freon 12 that probably costs about 25 cents
a pound to manufacture in Mexico and sells for better than 40 dollars over
here on the north side of the Rio Grande. The best estimat I can get is
$150 for a charge up. The real #**% is that if I could buy the stuff, I
could do it myself. To me, this is the automotive crime of the century.

- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
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Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 06:17:41 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE74 restoration ? about fender and box fit

Kirk wrote:
Hi I have a quick quation for someone in the know.
What years or fenders and boxes will fit on my 74 f250 4X4.
73-79 or just 73-76.
thanks very much
Kirk Baillie
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My reply:
Kirk
73-79 fenders and boxes should fit. The absolute BEST modification I have
made to my truck to date is installing a 77-later box on my 76. The
advantage of the recessed fuel fillers is amazing. No more fuel spill down
the side of the truck and when filling it I just drop the nozzel in the
filler and let it go full blast!! Could never do that with the exposed
surface mount fillers on the 76 and earlier especially on the aux tank in
the middle of the bed. If you have a cab mount gas tank this may not be an
issue. I have a supercab and both tanks are in the bed.

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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 06:17:43 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Kroil

Back a month or so ago we was talking about Kroil. I ordered it from Kano
labs and it is the best stuff ever.
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All right, all right. I'm convinced. I want to try some of this stuff. I
have a rusted exhaust system on my Case/Ingersoll lawn tractor (best ever
made IMHO) that I just hauled home in my Ford truck (FTC) that I want to put
headers on that now lives in Maine where the rust is incessant etc, etc,
etc. What is the address or watts # to get this stuff and how many
greenbacks did it take?

Tom H

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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 06:17:45 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: [none]

Fast Turn signal

Brad,
I would first clean the connectors in the lamp holder. If that wont fix
the problem then I would check the ground wires to be sure that the are
tight and don't have any funny connections. The reason for the fast
flash is high current draw. The high resistance causes a higher than
normal current draw and the flasher heats up too quickly and it changes
states too fast. You may also try a heavy-duty flasher like you would
buy for towing a trailer.
See Ya
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Good things to check but I have to disagree with the statement about high
resistance causing more current draw. Adding resistance to a circuit will
reduce the amount of current flowing through that circuit with the same
applied voltage. If you go with the voltage drop rule in a series circuit
then the availavble voltage is divided among the available resistances. If
resistance is added then the available voltage to the components already
present drops because they have to "share" with the newcomer.
Things I would check:
1. Are the bulbs the correct replacements? If they draw more current then
the blinker will go faster as stated above. A trailer was mentioned above
and it is a good example. When you add trailer lights to the circuit you do
have more lights in parallel and the current drain goes up.
2. Has the flaser unit been changed for a non stock unit. This would be if
they have always flashed fast since you got the truck.

Good Luck
Tom H.
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 06:17:48 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Where's Gary?

What happend to Gary78BBB? Haven't seen his posts in a while?

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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 06:17:47 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Smoking a C4

Deacon,
And what do you smoke a C4 with? ;0)

Tom H
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:37:12 -0400
From: Rob Long
Subject: FTE 61-79 -- New comming...

Just to let everyone know.... I will possibly be purchasing a truck
withing the next few days. A little info on the truck:

1978 F-250, 4x4, 400M, 4-speed, 4" lift, color: green.
From what the guy said.... it's in pretty good shape. It has some rust
in the floor of the bed and a few spots of rust here and there on the
body.
The guy wants 2000 for it... sounds like a deal??
I hope this is the one!

Rob




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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:12:09 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -- New comming...

>Just to let everyone know.... I will possibly be purchasing a truck
>withing the next few days. A little info on the truck:
>
>1978 F-250, 4x4, 400M, 4-speed, 4" lift, color: green.
>From what the guy said.... it's in pretty good shape. It has some rust
>in the floor of the bed and a few spots of rust here and there on the
>body.
>The guy wants 2000 for it... sounds like a deal??
>I hope this is the one!
>
Probably depends what part of the country you're in. Here in the mid-west
finding a truck with little rust on it, running good, and a blue oval for
2000 is always a good deal.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:15:41 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Odd engines ...

>Check in the Chilton's truck repair manual (71-78, or 61-78 ... I
>forget which ..) I have seen reference to this series of engines
>as well for the bigger trucks ..
>330, 359, 361, 391,

These are the FT's (also a 389 in there, probably not as quick as the GTO's
though :)
Info on them is available from the book by Steve Christ How to rebuild big
block ford engines...



534 cid ... probably there are others in
Dunno about this beast ...



>[ from a different letter .... ]
>>(a buddy's dad swears he had an original 455 Chevy pickup ... )
>
>A 455 cid engine is a GM (either Buick or Oldsmobile) engine,
>and no doubt it would bolt right in ... It would be an odd thing to
>get one in a truck right off the assembly line though ...
>
yeah I knew it was a motor (guess I wasn't clear on that), but all I've
ever seein it in is buick's and oldsmobiles, don't think it ever wore a bow
tie from the factory, but there's always the odd duck too ...
Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:20:51 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 2 v

>I have a 78 302 with a 2 brl. I would like to change it to a 4 brl. Did Ford
>make 4 brl and intake for these engines, and would it help the small block
>truck motor make more h.p. at the bottom end?

Generally switching to a 4 will only increase mid and high end power, at
lower revs the 2 is able to provide all the air and such that the engine
needs, but depending on your gearing, you could really get a lot more
useable power on the 4V. Ford did make a 4V for this engine, I know the
older 'stangs had them and the newer ones (68-70? and 83-85) The pickups
I'm sure had this available as well, but no idea what years ...


Would it be better to go with
>a holley or an eldebrock setup?

Personal preference there, some like holley, some like edelbrock

Or are the heads on the 302 truck motor
>better suited to the 2 brl?

I think the major restrictions will be valve size and exhaust manifolds ...
the manifolds being the more restrictive of those ... hope this helps a
little at least ...
Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 10:22:37 -0400
From: Rob Long
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -- New comming...

I'm located in Ohio.... the guy said that when he bought it off the
original owner... he made sure the frame was in good condition.

- --
Rob



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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:34:17 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 -- New comming...

At 09:22 AM 4/9/99 , you wrote:
>I'm located in Ohio.... the guy said that when he bought it off the
>original owner... he made sure the frame was in good condition.
>
I'd give it a spin around the block, put it in 4 and be sure there are no
funny noises, check the severity of the rust, if its not too bad (be sure
to check the cab mounts and floors), make an offer and possibly drive home
in a "new" truck :)

but that's just me, its not my money either...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 10:51:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Sean O'Malley"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Hills? In Ohio?

> Hey you Ohio Flatlanders....
>
> ....couldn't believe it, you guys have hills
> here-they're beautiful!

They're even better down here in Southeast Ohiah, but we don't let
on about it too much--wouldn't want to give away the secret :).

- --sean
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 07:59:02 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - looking for stu?

Jeff,

That would be Chris Samuels fourmuelz msn.com. Here's the list of parts:

Bare Head Castings:
1 PR. GT 390 $75 EA.
6 PR. Large Valve 390/428 $50 EA.
2 PR. 2BBL. Cleveland.$75 EA.
1 PR. 289 Hi Pro $250 PR.
8 EA. Misc. Windsor Heads. $50 EA

1 EA. 390 Crank $100
2 EA. 390 Blocks $50
1 EA. 351 Cleveland Block $50
Spun main bearing Repairable.
2 EA. 351/400 Modified Blocks $25 EA.
1 EA. 1970 351 W Block (line honed) $200
1 PR. 390 Truck Exhaust Manifolds $125 EA.
2 EA. 429 Crankshafts $50. EA,
1 SET. BOSS 429 NASCAR Connecting Rods $400 SET.
There is also things like Valve covers Oil Pans, etc.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 8:38 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - looking for stu?


>also would like to hear from the guy that knew about all the heads and
stuff
>for sale.
>



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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 11:02:43 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Differences of opinion

Chris and Ted writes:

>>
"Brandt, Chris" wrote:

> Have to jump in here.......
> Hate to see myths being propogated
> Stainless Steel will not stick to a magnet....not true at all. Wrong to the
> point of being a lie and I suspect the authour of that comment to have a
> Ch$*y parked at home...


>> I shouldn't even acknowledge this with a response. I'm stooping to a
lower level. But for someone to tell everyone I'm lying or propagating myths, if
you aint my ex-wife or my lifelong love. KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!!
Thanks for the rise in blood pressure. I'd much rather be p! # off than
p%^&*d on.


Come on guys. This AIN'T in keeping within the context that this list is
accustomed to. I Ain't the LIST MOM, but this is not necessary.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:13:09 -0400
From: Rob Long
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Hills? In Ohio?

We Ohioans are dang proud of our hills!

- --
Rob



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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 08:16:03 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 2 v

Thanks for your message at 09:20 AM 4/9/99 -0500, William S Hart. Your
message was:
>>I have a 78 302 with a 2 brl. I would like to change it to a 4 brl. Did Ford
>>make 4 brl and intake for these engines, and would it help the small block
>>truck motor make more h.p. at the bottom end?

>older 'stangs had them and the newer ones (68-70? and 83-85) The pickups
>I'm sure had this available as well, but no idea what years ...
>
>
> Would it be better to go with
>>a holley or an eldebrock setup?

Just saw an edelbrock 289 4 V manifold on ebay last night...I believe that
would work, right? Just doa search on ebay . "Ford manifold" should find
it...I was seriously considering it, but have other things to do first (a
huge list).


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 10:22:42 -0600
From: "Jamey Moss"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 490 series

Steve wrote:
> There was a big motor series used in the large F-series trucks.
> One motor in the series was (I think) 537, and there was a smaller one

> also, probably 490...
> I've heard of them, but never seen one that I know of. Rumor is
> they are big, heavy, low RPM/high torque motors. Dunno where to
> direct your search, but these motors did exist.

I scanned in a few pages from a 1967 Ford truck dealer brochure and put
them on my website. One of them has a listing of all Ford engines
available that year for all trucks (including the big rigs) with the HP,
torque, and compression ratio for each. The numbers are legible, but
I'll probably rescan it for easier reading. The URL for the chart is
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.prismnet.com/~jamey/f100/pics/brochure/engspecs.jpg

Anyway, it looks like in 1967 that the super duty gasoline engines were
the 401, 477, and 534 (but I don't know if those are in the same
series).

Hope that helps,

Jamey
ra4001 email.sps.mot.com
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:40:16 -0400
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ATT: '93-'95 LIGHTNING OWNERS

Eibach/Steeda front springs and rear shackles. Perfect condition.
>
> I'd like to see about $2200 for everything.
Is that the 2" drop, if so what do you want for just the kit?
Thanks
Chris
94 Lightning #381
NLOC #238
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:43:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: extra credit question

> The voltage across the
> ballast and coil will be full battery voltage, since
> there is no current flow initially.

Ahhhh! But you forgot the charge on the condenser. 50%
Credit :-)

> After 5 Time
> Constants (TC = L x R = ballast resistance times
> inductance) the coil will charge up to about 6
Volts
> (Battery voltage - ballast resistance x saturated
coil
> current).

>Yes. Dan can buy gas, but only half a tank . . .

You are right, I mistakenly gave the Voltage from
ground instead of across the components. across the
coil and ballast the voltage will be zero volts since
the current is zero. An interesting point here is that
when the charging time of the coil becomes greater
than the dwell of the points the spark energy begins
to diminish. So if you know the L and R and dwell you
can calculate the RPM at which the ignition circuit
starts to fail.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V


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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:41:30 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Kroil

Ted Wnorowski wrote:

> John Peck wrote:
>
> > I ordered it from Kanolabs and it is the best stuff ever.
>
> I just did a search and came up with this: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kanolabs.com/home.html
>


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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 08:44:21 -0700
From: "Brandt, Chris"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts

I can only assume you have a really good sense of humor or a really poor
one. Going to stick with the good sense of humor line and LOL.... If you are
actually taking a light jest seriously I can only hope that I never get
awead of you in bumper to bumper traffic.....

Oh and my congratulations to the ex wife...

Chris

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Ted Wnorowski [SMTP:wnorowski onebellevue.com]
> Sent:Friday, April 09, 1999 7:19 AM
> To:61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts
>
>
>
> "Brandt, Chris" wrote:
>
> > Have to jump in here.......
> > Hate to see myths being propogated
> > Stainless Steel will not stick to a magnet....not true at all. Wrong to
> the
> > point of being a lie and I suspect the authour of that comment to have a
> > Ch$*y parked at home...
>
>
> Yeah, my wife has two of them parked out back. She may be a bit
> older, not much wiser. Believe it or not, I bleed Blue, have since I've
> been able to walk. Wait, maybe I'm making this up, to the point of
> being a lie!
> Maybe I contradicted myself . If you hadn't jumped in you might have
> seen that. I have no reason whatsoever to lie or propagate myths.
> Go back and read what I wrote. I may not know the exact terms for
> each type, but I do know there is a difference. So do the people selling
> the stuff. I'm not trying to put down stainless exhaust either. I just
> wanted Thom to make sure he's getting what he pays for.
> I know of one shop in the area that sells "stainless" exhaust. It's
> coated tube that flakes off when bent, then rusts out as fast as cold
> rolled.
> I shouldn't even acknowledge this with a response. I'm stooping to a
> lower level. But for someone to tell everyone I'm lying or propagating
> myths, if you aint my ex-wife or my lifelong love. KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!!
> Thanks for the rise in blood pressure. I'd much rather be p! # off
> than p%^&*d on.
>
>
> Ted
>
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 11:52:00 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Differences of opinion

>
>
> Come on guys. This AIN'T in keeping within the context that this list is
> accustomed to. I Ain't the LIST MOM, but this is not necessary.
>

I wholeheartedly agree and would like to apologize to the whole list.

Ted


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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 09:11:33 -0700
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Stainless Exhaust Materials

Steve Delanty wrote, in part:

> Yes, probably one of the 430 steels. Maybe 430f, but 430Se is only slightly
> less easily machined and is commonly used where hot or cold rolling of
> the steel is involved. Good for things made out of relatively thin material
> that gets stamped or rolled or bent into different shapes...
> 430Se contains a little less sulpher than 430F, and it also contains
> at least 0.15% Selenium.

Bzzzzzzt! Good guess, though wrong answer, Stevarino.

A buddy of mine was in Marketing for Borla until last year. Theirs is
all common T304.
I haven't a clue at what their competition uses, however.

- -Marv-
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:38:55 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Differences of opinion

FWIW, Ted I tend to agree with your statement about stainless although I
don't know what the definition of "true" is. A friend of mine
repairs/services food service machines, ice cream, fryers, etc. He has
collected tons of stainless over the years and none of it is magnetic. Same
with my stainless firearms. I have seen some stainless panels that you can
stick magnet to however. Maybe they're just coated, dunno.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Ted Wnorowski
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, April 09, 1999 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Differences of opinion


> I wholeheartedly agree and would like to apologize to the whole list.



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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 13:20:53 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Differences of opinion

In retrospect, I should have said "some" instead of "true". I guess stainless in whatever formulation would indeed be "true" stainless, whether a magnet sticks to it or not.
Gotta go ride these storms out now. Cincinnati got totaled last night. Three dead with more possible. The pictures I saw on the noon news looked like a war zone.

Ted


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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:17:13 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - great gas out

Patrick,

Your economic theory is sound. The boycott strategy assumes that suppliers
would accumulate extra inventory thereby reducing the price to avoid
overstock. In theory, the more there is of something, the lower the unit
price should be. In reality there are a lot of other factors that come in
to play. Beanie Babies are a good example of economic theory gone bad.
Manufacturing costs are low, supply is relatively plentiful but they limit
the run, but everyone (NOT) wants them, so the price stays high. Hummels
work this way, too. Besides, value is in the mind of the consumer anyway.

- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 12:21:29 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 490 Ford engine

Several months ago I posed this same question. I have never seen one, but I
remeber hearing of a Ford 490 back in the early 70s during the cubic inch
wars right after Cadillac introduced the 472. After Ford countered with the
490, Cadillac retaliated with the 500, then came the oil embargo and it
wasn't cool to have a lot of cubes any more. There's your supply and demand
again. I suspect that a 490 would be a bored out 460, but I'm just guessing.

- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 21:39:39 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Where's Gary?

Tom, feeling nostalgic, asked:
> What happend to Gary78BBB? Haven't seen his posts in a while?

Gary left, taking his hoist with him, a months back. He claimed
too much work to do. I think he hangs out on the performance
list, along with sleddog?.
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 21:47:29 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast?

steve wrote:
[quiz deleted]
> Aww, c'mon Pat, I wanna play to!!

I knew I could draw you in here, you being the only other wierdo
(besides myself) that tickles dura-spark modules with signal
generators just to see them sqirm!

> Points: I = 0, V = 0
> Ballast: I = 0, V = 0
> Coil: I = 0, V = 12

But Steve, you missed the charge on capacitor also! OK, it
was a trick question :-)

> Better measure it quick tho!

Really, really quick . .

> Can I buy gas too? Can I, can I, can I, PLEASE!

Sure, just as soon as Don buys us that lunch he promised :-)
- --
Pat Brown
>From Sunny, cold, Sebastopol, California


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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 21:54:44 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Report on Marko Maryniak and his 1967 Mercury M-250 4x4 resto

Stu wrote:
[Re-introduced Marko and passed along the M-250 resto report]

Thanks Stu, I've wondered about Marko's truck from time to
time. I'd like like to know what he said about those C&^%$
drivers, though :-). And, ask him about the progress web
site (hint,hint), or get Tony crackin!
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 21:59:50 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: extra credit question

Dan wrote:
[Extra Credit deleted]
> An interesting point here is that
> when the charging time of the coil becomes greater
> than the dwell of the points the spark energy begins
> to diminish. So if you know the L and R and dwell you
> can calculate the RPM at which the ignition circuit
> starts to fail.

Yeah, but that would be too much like work! So Dan,
do you torture Duraspark modules in your spare time also?
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:08:57 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 490 V8

>>A 455 cid engine is a GM (either Buick or Oldsmobile) engine,
and no doubt it would bolt right in ... It would be an odd thing to
get one in a truck right off the assembly line though ...

Or Pontiac. I once went to look at a 70 GMC for sale and the guy swore it
had a 455 in it. I said no that they only came with 454s. When I got there
and raised the hood, lo and behold someone had stuck a 455 Olds in it. This
was before I saw the light and started driving Fords. I didn't buy the GMC
either as it was a butcher job, definitely not factory.

- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:14:10 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tow trucks

>> I had the wonderful pleasure of waiting with him after work one day
for a friend of his to pick him up in his tow truck.

I know the feeling. A friend of mine had the ugliest 32 Dodge you ever saw
with a flathead six that he came to my rescue in. I had an almost new 81
Cadillac that stranded me. I sure was glad to see that Dodge roll up.

- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 14:25:58 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - stainless steel exhaust

>> The only problem with aluminized pipe is the welds, you
use standard wire, and it rusts sometimes causeing problem in the welded
area, but usally the pipe is thich enough to not cause anything.

My shop used acetelene (sorry for the spelling) and brass rod. Does this
mean I got non-aluminized pipe? It's been on for almsot two years and still
looks new plus no rust on the joints.

Along Stock Man's query, I've seen JCW advertise T409 or T301 etc. What
does this mean? I always assumed that the higher the number the better the
corrosion resistance.

Later,

- -John


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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 02:08:20 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - front spring height

Gene wrote:
>
> Since there's a thread on front springs and inserts, can anyone
> tell me how much clearance there should be between the I-beam
> and the rubber bumpers by the springs that keep the cab from
> hitting the beam? (Hope that's clear ...) On my 70 F100 (2WD)
> there's maybe 6 inches of space -- could that be why
> my cab sways side-to-side on the highway? I need to solve this
> before I load down my truck (nicknamed "Hud", by the way, after
> my favorite movie character) with all my stuff when I head back
> stateside next month after a year in Mexico. TIA!

I think your truck has a lift kit, Gene! My '70 F250 (2WD/Crew Cab)
has only 2" between beams and bumpers in front. Rear has about 5-1/2".
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 18:30:50 -0400
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: AC systems; was Re: FTE 61-79 - great Gas out.

John LaGrone wrote:
>
> >>If there is anything to get upset about, it is the pervert in the White
> >>House
>
> Amen, brother John!!
>
> How about doing something about Freon 12 that probably costs about 25 cents
> a pound to manufacture in Mexico and sells for better than 40 dollars over
> here on the north side of the Rio Grande. The best estimat I can get is
> $150 for a charge up. The real #**% is that if I could buy the stuff, I
> could do it myself. To me, this is the automotive crime of the century.
>

What about R406a. It looked promising last time I researched it.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.autofrost.com/

It's about 185$ for a 25 lb bottle, or 104$ for 12, 9.6 oz cans. You
may have to get automotive AC certification to be able to buy it. It's a
take at home test that is super easy and costs about 15$. After the
cert, you can even buy R-12 if you wanted it, but it only comes in 30 lb
containers now (about 700$ now, I think).

OX
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 18:26:55 -0700
From: ms
Subject: FTE 61-79 - stainless steel

I've worked 28 years for a company that makes stainless steel commercial =
food service equipment. The higher-end equipment is 301 or 304, =
non-magnetic. For our economy lines, we use 430, which is magnetic. =
The 300 series is easily tig-welded, which eliminates the cost of wire =
mentioned in an earlier post. And it LASTS forever. The 430 doesn't =
weld as nicely, and I have seen well-used equipment with 430 exhibiting =
what I would call rust. Many years ago, our purchasing agent got a =
"great buy" on enough Japanese 430 to last us almost a year. The =
surface on that peeled, as if it were laminated some way, exposing what =
looked like a cold-rolled base sheet. I've also seen a lot of bent 300 =
series tubing. Done with the proper equipment, it looks pretty good, =
not wrinkled or mis-shapen. For example, look at the curved stainless =
steel hand rails you see in handicapped restrooms and other public =
areas.

Disclaimer: I am not a metallurgist or an engineer. Today, I just fix =
the computers. I spent several years on the assembly line, then several =
years in supervision and management. Therefore, the preceding =
statements are based on personal observations only. A real expert could =
dispute or explain what I have seen, but I have seen it.

On the subject of names, I just call mine "my old 65 Ford truck". My =
girlfriend just says "why don't you get that thing licensed, so we can =
use it?"
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:07:45 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - truck names

Go for it!

Darrell
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:13:13 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - "great Gas out"

In a message dated 4/8/99 10:33:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jstrauss inetport.com writes:


are as low as they ever have been in the history of this country. >>


Dude, I dont agree. Due to the 2 refineries blowong up in CA, Im paying
upwards of 1.69 for a gallon of cheap stuff. This is in no way close to
being normal.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety" (very thirsty)
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 21:01:58 -0500
From: "charlest"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 73 F100??

Anyone know where I can see pictures of 1973 F100 pickup on the web??

Thanks in advance,
Charlest

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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 22:40:28 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Differences of opinion

>
>Come on guys. This AIN'T in keeping within the context that this list is
>accustomed to. I Ain't the LIST MOM, but this is not necessary.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>

Thanks Azie, this was a very level headed response. As
is evidenced in the past, you've got a knack for saying
things bluntly yet tactfully. I wasn't able to pay much
attention to the list yesterday so this is appreciated.

Ken Payne
"Den Mother" (heheheh)


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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 00:29:29 -0400
From: j arnold
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Opinions; new truck

I'm a long time member of this list, don't post often, gone a lot and not
much to say, but I've come to respect all the Ford knowledge here so I'm
looking for opinions on my ideas for a new truck.
I stick with this list because I have a 57 F-100, 68 F-250, 76 F150, and a
79 F250 that I'm always working on, but my 'workhorse' has been my 83 F-250
with 460 and c-6. Well, he's getting pretty tired, has a new engine, but
everything wears out eventually. I pull trailers from Kentucky to my home
state of Texas alot, horses, hay, and a little of everything. These 3000
mile round trips every 10 days or so have worn my old truck down to where I
don't trust it anymore, so I'm considering a new one.
I'm thinking of getting a F-450 with 7.3 diesel and 6-speed manual overdrive
extended cab does anybody have any experience with these beasts? Looked at
one tonight. Impressive looking, but looks don't get you down the road.
Since this is off topic for this list, please reply directly if you have an
opinion. I appreciate any input.

Stoney

P.S. F450 rather than F350 because the Dr., lawyer, banker crowd has not
expressed interest so they're 5,000 to 8,000 cheaper.

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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 23:07:48 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Intake and heads for an FE 360

I'll be working on my 69 F250 360 auto soon. The 2 bbl intake manifold
will be replaced with a cast iron 4 bbl with Holley carb, and the heads are
going to get new valve stem seals.

I would like to know...
1) What the torque specs are for the intake and heads (foot pounds and
torque sequence).
2) Can these old valves and guides be used with todays unleaded gasoline?
(recently passed state emissions, it just smokes when started)


I had planned on...
1) Spray penetrating oil to exhaust bolts many times before disassembly
2) High temp RTV for the front and rear of the intake manifold (throw cork
gasket away)
3) Coat both sides of the new head gasket with"Copper Spray a Gasket"
4) Coat new exhaust bolts with "Anti-seize" lubricant
5) Install pushrods in original location, but reverse them end to end
6) Follow instructions at http://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/pushrods.html
for rocker shaft assembly.

Is there something that I should do and have not listed?
Is there something that I plan on doing that shouldn't be done?

BTW:) http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.edstrom.com/lab/Stnless_Steel/diagram.htm contains info and
links about stainless steel alloys, and you don't have to be a rocket
scientist to understand the info presented... woohooo!

Danger
69 F250 360 auto
69 F250 CS 390 T18 Posi
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.csolutions.net/danger



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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 03:07:32 -0400
From: Becky & Greg
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gas leaking from carb

Recently my 79 300six has developed a habit of flooding itself out when
driving in town. It floods enough to stall the motor and expell a
significant amount of gas through the carb. I have checked the manifold
for cracks, replaced the manifold gasket and inspected the nearly new
carb (1bbl Carter) and everything checks out O.K.
Just when I assume I have the problem recified it happens again. Any
other suggestions as to the cause?The problem only arises about once
every two weeks and only when in town at low speeds. This truck is a
daily driver (about 200 miles a week,90 percent highway)

Thanks Greg
79 F100 300 6
75 f100 super cab 360
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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 1999 01:23:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: Josh Twichel
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE - Truck's pet name

My son calls my 74 F-250 4x4 "Daddy's Broken Truck." I guess that
he's seen me work on it so much that the name seems quite right for it,
in the eyes of a four year old. In fact today I was working on it a
again. I was in the middle of making the head light relay fix that
Steve Delanty posted. It started to snow though so I had to quit. (I'm
in Montana, Belgrade in fact. But, no bombs yet.)
I think that a name like the "Bondo Bandit" (yes the body is a bit
rough) might be more appropriate for the old 74. For now though, I'll
have to stick with my son's name for it.

My son also named my sister's Dodge "Bumpity Bill." As far as
where that name came from, your guess is as good as mine.....


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