61-79-list-digest Friday, April 9 1999 Volume 03 : Number 122



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts
FTE 61-79 - 302 2 v
FTE 61-79 - Odd engines ...
Re: FTE 61-79 - [Fwd: Tranny and axle swap]
FTE 61-79 - Block Casting Numbers
Re: FTE 61-79 - What's your truck's pet name?
Re: FTE 61-79 - "great Gas out"
FTE 61-79 - 490 Series
FTE 61-79 - 490 Series
Re: FTE 61-79 - What's your truck's pet name?
Re: FTE 61-79 - What's your truck's pet name?
Re: FTE 61-79 - What's your truck's pet name?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts
Re: FTE 61-79 - 490 Series
FTE 61-79 - looking for stu?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts
Re: FTE 61-79 - shaking truck
FTE 61-79 - ATT: '93-'95 LIGHTNING OWNERS
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 16:42:42 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts

>Point one from a previous message bassically said that true
>Stainless Steel will not stick to a magnet....not true at all.

Yep, 400 series stainless sticks to a magnet. 200 and 300 series
generally do not.

>There are two main types of stainless steels (note that "stainless
>steel" is a trade name alot like kleenex...) Martensitic, and Ferritic, with
>martensitic generally being classed as hardenable, and ferritic being
>non-hardenable (by heat treatment).

Well, actually there's 3 types... *Austenitic* (200, 300 series stainless),
which usually contain 8-22% nickel, 16-25% chromium, and .08-.25% carbon,
and various other elements depending on exact type. These steels will not
atract a magnet...

Then there's *Ferritic* (400 series stainless) that contains 14-27% chromium
and NO nickel. These are used for chemical process equipment, and things that
require good resistance to corrosion and scaling at high temperatures.
This is the common variety of stainless used for exhaust systems.

And there's *Martensitic* (also a 400 series stainless) That has a careful
balance of chromium and carbon that forms a hard abrasion resistant stainless
steel. They are much harder, but less corrosion resistant than other types
of stainless and are used for things like gas-turbine parts and stainless
ball bearings and some types of cutlery.

>further the free machining types, made by putting a higher percentage of
>sulphur in the alloy, are ferritic, and are the ones most likely to be
>rolled or drawn into muffler pipe.
>
>Best guess here, and it is only a guess as to which alloy is used in
>exhaust systems. SAE # 51430f, with the f denoting free machining. Would
>love to verify this one....

Yes, probably one of the 430 steels. Maybe 430f, but 430Se is only slightly
less easily machined and is commonly used where hot or cold rolling of
the steel is involved. Good for things made out of relatively thin material
that gets stamped or rolled or bent into different shapes...
430Se contains a little less sulpher than 430F, and it also contains
at least 0.15% Selenium.



Steve
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:15:05 -0400
From: "f Saur"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302 2 v

I have a 78 302 with a 2 brl. I would like to change it to a 4 brl. Did Ford
make 4 brl and intake for these engines, and would it help the small block
truck motor make more h.p. at the bottom end? Would it be better to go with
a holley or an eldebrock setup? Or are the heads on the 302 truck motor
better suited to the 2 brl?
Marty fsaur sprint.ca

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 20:42:50 -0400
From: "Serian"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Odd engines ...

>>It's in a 68 F500. The largest factory engine that I know of
>>is the 460.
>>But in 68. Web searches come up with nothing.
>>It's also equipped with a 5 speed (could
>>be a clark). The search continues
>
>There was a big motor series used in the large F-series trucks.
>One motor in the series was (I think) 537, and there was a
>smaller one also, probably 490...
>I've heard of them, but never seen one that I know of. Rumor is
>they are big, heavy, low RPM/high torque motors. Dunno where to
>direct your search, but these motors did exist.

Check in the Chilton's truck repair manual (71-78, or 61-78 ... I
forget which ..) I have seen reference to this series of engines
as well for the bigger trucks ..
330, 359, 361, 391, 534 cid ... probably there are others in
the lineup that were put in the larger than F350 series. I have
seen reference to what is called "FT series" engines .. perhaps
these are part of that series ??

[ from a different letter .... ]
>(a buddy's dad swears he had an original 455 Chevy pickup ... )

A 455 cid engine is a GM (either Buick or Oldsmobile) engine,
and no doubt it would bolt right in ... It would be an odd thing to
get one in a truck right off the assembly line though ...



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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:01:58 -0400
From: William A Whited
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - [Fwd: Tranny and axle swap]

Sam, They both are 302's. What would be ideal for me is, to remove them from
the 79 and to rebuilt the rear end and tranny with kit's from Summit and then
install them. The problem down here is I have to pre order everything. It
takes about 2 to 3 weeks to get anything down here.

sam weatherby wrote:

> I don't think it would be too hard.
> Different engines could be a problem however for the tranny.
> -srw
> > Didn't get any responses the 1st time. I'm really
> > limited on resources down here, and would before to use
> > the stuff I have here. TIA
> >
> > -------- Original Message --------
> >
> > Will the tranny and rear axle swap out of my 79 F100
> > SuperCab into my 77 F100 Flairside. If so how hard is
> > it and can a shadetree like me do without too many
> > problems? TIA
> >
> > We are getting to get BUSY here!!!!
> > --
> > William A Whited
> > 74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
> > 77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302
> > 79 F100 EXPLORER SUPERCAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK)
> > "IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI"

"Guantanamo Bay, Cuba"

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:38:51 -0400
From: "Thomas M. Shepard"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Block Casting Numbers

I have a 70 Ford F100 that has what appears to have a 78 Lincoln engine.
The person I bought it from new nothing of previous owners and it has no
identifying tags except door plate which implies a 70 302.
The casting numbers are: D8VE - 6015 - A3A 7G12
(D) 1970's (8) original release year (V) Lincoln 61 up (E) engine related
(6015) designates it's a block
(A3A) change level
(7G12) cast on July 12 1977
Thus I have a ??? engine block from a Lincoln, the block was release for
production in 78 but was cast July 77, this sounds like a 78 model year.
The problem: My book does not list any D8's ( The last 302's are D4,D5 for
74-80)
The engine runs, but what is it.....I think I should find out before I do
any more mods.

70 F100 body w/??? Name: Memphis (Due to blue color and killer weekend
spent at Blues Fest the day before purchase) Memphis has been to Moline, Il,
Detroit, Green Bay and back to Atlanta since I bought her but not Memphis
just yet.

84 Ranger (my only and last foreign truck...I thought it was a Ford when I
bought it. The rear wheels are about to fall off and the water pump leaks
quite well but I work only on my 70???)
Name: none but I occasionally call it Abused

A friend at work has a 70 Chevy C10 he calls Gladis as in "I'm just Gladis
got me home" He has spent a lot of time/money on it but still calls it
that. I had the wonderful pleasure of waiting with him after work one day
for a friend of his to pick him up in his tow truck. Imagine my surprise
when a beautiful red 70 F250 with a strait 6 300 showed up to haul off
Gladis. But I must say with great sadness that I did not have a camera with
me.

Thomas Shepard
Gainesville GA
tmshepard mindspring.com

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 21:11:06 -0500
From: "charlest"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What's your truck's pet name?

My 1979 F150 4x4 with a 460 .40 over is appropriatley named:

Mud Hog
or
Mud Hawg(Southern spelling)



> So what about you guys? Names? Anyone?
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 22:19:20 -0400
From: William A Whited
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - "great Gas out"

You can say that again!!!!!!!! Who is who over there?

John Strauss wrote:

> >Josh Assing wrote:
> >
> > Someone sent this to me. I sent it to my "joke" list; and got an
> > overwhelming response "what a great idea" so i thought I'd pass it
> > on to the ford list; since there was recently a discussion on gas.
> >
> >
> This is such a load of bull! Gas prices now, when adjusted for inflation,
> are as low as they ever have been in the history of this country. If there
> is anything to get upset about, it is the pervert in the White House who
> has taken us into a civil war that is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS in order to
> create some sort of "legacy" for himself. Why don't the people who
> originate this drivel put some effort into THAT?
> _
> _| ~~. John Strauss
> \, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
> \( Texas Fight!
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William A Whited
74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302
79 F100 EXPLORER SUPERCAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK)
"IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI"


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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:13:23 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 490 Series

> There was a big motor series used in the large F-series trucks.
> One motor in the series was (I think) 537, and there was a smaller one
> also, probably 490...
> I've heard of them, but never seen one that I know of. Rumor is
> they are big, heavy, low RPM/high torque motors. Dunno where to
> direct your search, but these motors did exist.

I think I've seen the family listed as 490, 501, 534, and 577 in the
manuals. I've pulled one of those monsters out of a '68 COE Grain
truck. It is ONE BIG HUNK OF IRON! I wish I knew more about them, but
I don't. I have seen the crank out of that one, and you think it
belongs in a Cat. (It resembles the Cat V-8 diesel quite a bit, I
think)

>From driving the same '68 COE with the 5-speed, they remind me of the
392 IH Loadstar, same powerband but with more low-end power.
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:24:41 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 490 Series

>
> You might try this link:
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.atlanticford.com/

I couldn't find anything here, is there something I'm not seeing?
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 22:32:26 -0400
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What's your truck's pet name?

At 09:11 PM 4/8/99 -0500, you wrote:
>My 1979 F150 4x4 with a 460 .40 over is appropriatley named:
>
>Mud Hog
> or
>Mud Hawg(Southern spelling)
>
>
>
>> So what about you guys? Names? Anyone?
>>
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This one doesn't qualify for the ford truck discussion, but I've got a
buddy with a Toyota sitting on 38s... Airbrushed on the tailgate is
"The Further Mucker"
Say that one to yourselves a few times, and you'll see why it was funny
enough for me to post it!
The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
not...
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 22:51:15 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What's your truck's pet name?

when my dad owned my 78 f150 4x4, my mom called it "HULK", but now i have and
i call it "OLD BLUE", beside the incredible hulk was green, my truck is blue.

jeff grant
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 23:02:16 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What's your truck's pet name?

mine is called "big green booger", got that name at school, because its an
big green beat up truck.. :)

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 01:35 AM 4/7/99 EDT, you wrote:
> I was just curious how many of you guys' trucks have acquired pet
>names and what they might be. I'm not talking about when you scream "Stupid
>SOB, piece of horse dung" everytime you skin your knuckles either.
> For example, my '79 F-150 Supercab has been named "Ruby". My
>girlfriend christened the old truck with this name based on the maroon-like
>color. The name just kinda stuck, so now all references are directed to
>"Ruby". This helps though because now I can sweet talk the old girl
>whenever I think she needs some attention (truck, not girlfriend). Oh, it
>also helps so my girlfriend can report back to me that, "heeheee... I
>backed Ruby into a Honda in the parking garage today."
> So what about you guys? Names? Anyone?
>
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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 23:02:17 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts

ok, i work in an auto/muffler/tire shop and i just put on some some
stainless today (first time i have) on a honda prelude. Anyways, heres my
opinion... Stainless exhaust (shops cost) was $60 for an 8 foot pipe, and
they arent very thick pipes, because they dont have to worry about rot.
They never do go bad of-course, but if you want an exhaust system to show
off, dont use stainless pipe, they crinkle up and bend funny, and well look
like crap when used on a bender. You also have to use stainless mig to
weld wire it, cost alot also. I think a 300yrd roll cost around $45. What
we normally use is alluminized pipe, which i would use on my truck (and i
did), it has a good wall thickness, bends good, welds good, and guarenteed
to last 6 years under any conditions + alot cheaper. Ive had it on my
truck for 2 years with it mostly convered in mud, and it never has done
anything to it. The only problem with aluminized pipe is the welds, you
use standard wire, and it rusts sometimes causeing problem in the welded
area, but usally the pipe is thich enough to not cause anything.

to sum it up, if you want it to last forever, stainless, just dont show
anybody the bends. If you want good pipe at a good price, aluminized..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460


At 04:02 PM 4/7/99 EDT, you wrote:
>>I have been interested in putting a stainless exhaust on my truck for quite
>>awhile now. Anyone have any experience on this issue? I'd appreciate your
>>comments, pro or con as well as any info on suppliers. TIA.
>>
>
>I'm all for this, until the exhaust I have now (which isn't stainless), I'd
>had the exhaust rot out on me all the time. Don't know what happened this
>time, but I've had this set of pipes for 3 or 4 years now and the mufflers
>are only starting to get thin, the pipes are still good and solid (which is
>a shame because I'm gonna hack it up in a few months)
>
>I've heard that bassini makes some good quality stainless stuff. I think
>Borla stuff is supposed to be pretty good too... though they don't make it
>for our old trucks, maybe some of it will work (ie mufflers, straight
>sections of pipe) ...
>
>lemme know what you find out as I am interested as well ...
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>wish
>
>Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html
>'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
>'96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 19:49:01 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 490 Series

They seemed to have allot of info on med duty ford trucks so I thought you
could send them an email asking about your truck. It was all I could find...

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: William L. Ballinger
To: Ford Truck Enthusiasts
Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 7:29 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 490 Series


>>
>> You might try this link:
>>
>> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.atlanticford.com/
>
>I couldn't find anything here, is there something I'm not seeing?
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:31:58 EDT
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - looking for stu?

stu, please email me when you have a chance. jjjjjgrant aol.com
also would like to hear from the guy that knew about all the heads and stuff
for sale.

jeff grant
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 23:40:17 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts

In a message dated 4/8/99 7:54:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
sdelanty sonic.net writes:

> Well, actually there's 3 types... *Austenitic* (200, 300 series
stainless),
> which usually contain 8-22% nickel, 16-25% chromium, and .08-.25% carbon,
> and various other elements depending on exact type. These steels will not
> atract a magnet...

Wow.....This is by far much more information than I was asking for.
Since I posted the query I feel that I have an obligation to redirect. Can
we relate this analysis to who makes a good stainless exhaust and what
questions to ask the manufacturer...or should I just bear with the discussion
and it will eventually get there???

Stock Man
(a/k/a Thom B.)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:03:17 EDT
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - shaking truck

In a message dated 4/7/99 6:49:35 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
dyerhot nwchiro.edu writes:


shafts phased properly? Even if there off by one spline you could be
getting some vibration.
>>
I agree this should be checked, especially if the shafts have been apart. I
am not sure of your shaft combination, but if they are out of phase it will
shake when you are applying power. Good Luck
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 00:33:05 -0400
From: frenz.6 osu.edu (Dale Frenz)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ATT: '93-'95 LIGHTNING OWNERS

I have the following upgrade parts for sale:

- - Paxton supercharger kit with about 10,000 +/- miles on. Its a standard
6lbs kit, complete with instructions, fuel pump, etc. Never been abused or
raced. Simply ran on my everyday driver. Im selling it because Im trading
the truck in on a turbo diesel.

- - MSD 6 BTM, Boost Timing Master. (Useful, but not required to run the blower)

- - Eibach/Steeda front springs and rear shackles. Perfect condition.

I'd like to see about $2200 for everything.

If you're interested, let me know.




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Date: Fri, 09 Apr 1999 02:19:22 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts

"Brandt, Chris" wrote:

> Have to jump in here.......
> Hate to see myths being propogated
> Stainless Steel will not stick to a magnet....not true at all. Wrong to the
> point of being a lie and I suspect the authour of that comment to have a
> Ch$*y parked at home...


Yeah, my wife has two of them parked out back. She may be a bit older, not much wiser. Believe it or not, I bleed Blue, have since I've been able to walk. Wait, maybe I'm making this up, to the point of being a lie!
Maybe I contradicted myself . If you hadn't jumped in you might have seen that. I have no reason whatsoever to lie or propagate myths.
Go back and read what I wrote. I may not know the exact terms for each type, but I do know there is a difference. So do the people selling the stuff. I'm not trying to put down stainless exhaust either. I just wanted Thom to make sure he's getting what he pays for.
I know of one shop in the area that sells "stainless" exhaust. It's coated tube that flakes off when bent, then rusts out as fast as cold rolled.....


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