61-79-list-digest Thursday, April 8 1999 Volume 03 : Number 121



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts
FTE 61-79 - pet names
Re: FTE 61-79 - What's your truck's pet name?
FTE 61-79 - Help ARG!
FTE 61-79 - Badger pistons
FTE 61-79 - extra credit question
FTE 61-79 - truck names
RE: FTE 61-79 - pet names
Re: FTE 61-79 - Help ARG!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast?
RE: FTE 61-79 - pet names
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts
FTE 61-79 - another one bites the dust
Re: FTE 61-79 - What's your truck's pet name?
Re: FTE 61-79 - What's your truck's pet name?
FTE 61-79 - Re: Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast?
FTE 61-79 - Re: Auto electrical system book?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Auto electrical system book?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts
FTE 61-79 - Truck manuals
FW: FTE 61-79 - Truck Manual
FTE 61-79 - Re: Electrical Problems - Coil Ballast
FTE 61-79 - 490 series
FTE 61-79 - "great Gas out"
Re: FTE 61-79 - 490 series
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast?
FTE 61-79 - The Great Gas Out
Re: FTE 61-79 - 490 series
Re: FTE 61-79 - front spring height
Re: FTE 61-79 - 490 series
FTE 61-79 - Re:Extra Credit
FTE 61-79 - Re: Extra Credit
Re: FTE 61-79 - "great Gas out"
Re: FTE 61-79 - The Great Gas Out
Re: FTE 61-79 - 490 series
Re: FTE 61-79 - 490 series
FTE 61-79 - RE: TRUCK NAMES
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Extra Credit
RE: FTE 61-79 - "great Gas out"
FTE 61-79 - 78 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - 490 series
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F100
RE: FTE 61-79 - 490 series
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: TRUCK NAMES
FTE 61-79 - Drum brake adjusters
FTE 61-79 - Report on Marko Maryniak and his 1967 Mercury M-250 4x4 resto
FTE 61-79 - Hills? In Ohio?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts
Re: FTE 61-79 - 490 series
RE: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F100

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 07:35:02 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts

In a message dated 4/8/99 1:47:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
rbsmith unity.ncsu.edu writes:

>
> Probably aluminized.... This stuff really lasts, at least down here in the
> south where we don't have to deal with all of that Yankee road salt :)
> I've had an aluminized exhause system for 4 years now, and only signs of
> rust on the seams, but not bad...
>
Yep....My first new exhaust was fabricated from some parts I had. I made the
cross-over out of a factory Ford Pipe for an L9000 which was aluminized. It
easily lasted 6 years. Not bad fa the Nothe....but....although I like
working on my truck, I hate to keep working on the same items. Hence the
stainless. I suspect I will have to hoc my first born to get one......or
maybe I could trade in my.....

Stock Man
(a/k/a Thom B.)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 04:36:14 PDT
From: "Park Hunter"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - pet names

My '64 Ford is known as "the Goon." The paint color is a faded version
of Rangoon Red. My brother named the truck after helping me haul its
tired carcass home. Between dents, faded paint, rust and general
decrepitude, I have to admit that Goon is pretty descriptive.

Park Hunter

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:42:29 -0500
From: "James Elliott"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What's your truck's pet name?

Truck: 69 F-100 Explorer
Name: CV

No, that does not stand for Constant Velocity, it is not a 4wd. It refers
bac to the woman named Vicky that originally led me to purchase the beast.
Hence, it became known amongst friends as the

Ford Crud Victoria



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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 07:03:51 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Help ARG!

> Okay, I'm sure everyone's tired of hearing about my rebuild by now, but I
> really need some advice. How do you get the stupid torque converter nuts
> off !?!?!?!??? The problem seems to be that the oil pan is too close to
> the fly wheel so I can't get a ratchet up there. Anyone have any tricks to
> this ? I have a 9/16 open end/boxed end I can get on it, but I can't get
> enough leverage to pull it loose.

Can you go in through the starter hole with a 1/4 inch drive swivel and
extension? Have someone hold the crank bolt.
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:02:52 -0600
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Badger pistons

David Henderson wrote:

>What's the group's opinion on Badger pistons?

Got 'em in my 390. They are 9.35:1 compression. I'm no engine building master, but they work just fine.

Hope this helps,

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:14:17 -0600
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - extra credit question

Hey Pat. I'm guessing 8-12 volts at the instant the points close, all on the primary side of the circuit.

How'd I do?

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 08:24:35 -0400
From: "J. Doss Halsey"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - truck names

I kinda like "Effie", but I feel like I should ask Darrell Duggan's permission to use it.

Darrell?

Doss Halsey
'68 F250 Camper Special (360 soon to be 390)
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 06:55:06 -0600
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - pet names

My Crewcab is "Goldhunter 1", and my Bronco is "Goldhunter2".

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 08:45:46 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Help ARG!

>Can you go in through the starter hole with a 1/4 inch drive swivel and
>extension? Have someone hold the crank bolt.

Nope, on an FE the starter is way to far out to one side for that to
happen/work ...



larger box end wrench
and slip it over the end of the smaller one. Turn it so that the flat part
of the wrench goes against the smaller wrench and use it as an extension to
apply more leverage.

Done something similar a 9/16" wrench is the same size on the open end (or
close enough) as a 1/2" drive ratchet ... tried that, but the stupid
exhaust was still in the way!


Finally got everything apart last night though. A guy I work with was nice
enough to leave the computers alone for a night and help me with my truck.
I also bought a breaker bar (15") before heading home. When he got there
he would turn the crank a little at a time til the bolt just cleared the
plate on the driver's side, that would leave just enough space to put the
pull wrench on one side of the exhaust pipe, and next to the oil pan, and I
could get a bit of a turn to loosen the bolt, then use an open end/boxed
end to take it the rest of the way out. Once we got started it only took
10 minutes to get all 4 bolts out.

Then with a little stretching I took out all the tranny/engine bolts and
went to take the motor mount nuts off ... THERE WAS NOTHING HOLDING THE
MOUNTS TO THE STANCIONS!!! Neither of the mounts was hooked directly to
the frame. Anyway a little pullin and tuggin and it popped off its rest
and swung free!

Will update the rebuild page sometime in the next few days, in the mean
time I should go do some of the stuff that pays for the truck.

Laters, and thanks to everyone.

Bill (wish)
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 06:55:19 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast?

Thanks for your message at 06:42 AM 4/6/99 -0700, draco pacifier.com. Your
message was:

I have heard lots of people say you don't need to
>replace the condenser during a tune up

Bad advice...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 07:09:05 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - pet names

Thanks for your message at 06:55 AM 4/8/99 -0600, Miska, Richard L (Rick).
Your message was:
> My Crewcab is "Goldhunter 1", and my Bronco is "Goldhunter2".

I think this namin' thing is gettin' out of hand...Next thing you know,
you'll be thinkin' up names for your dogs, then it'll be your cats...who
knows, maybe even your kids...
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:28:25 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts

I've worked with sheet metal in some form or another since I was 14, roughly 20 years. True stainless should not attract a magnet.
The "stainless" heat exchanger halves we stamp on a daily basis, readily attract a magnet due to their alloy content. More carbon, less nickel, and so on. This stuff is "stainless" in every sense of the word.
The stuff we used a few years ago was stainless coated and served its purpose because of higher flue exhaust temps, hence less chance of corrosion. We still use aluminized steel on our lower efficiency units for the same reasons.
The point I'm trying to make. Coated stainless isn't a whole lot different than aluminized steel. This coated stainless is what some exhaust places will try to pass off as tried and true. Charging $500 bucks for something that can be had using more affordable aluminized.
Unless you can see the heat # and alloy # on the tube and verify it's "stainless" through and through, stick with the aluminized. Even in the salty north, it'll last just as long and be much easier on your wallet.
Don't get me wrong, a good stainless exhaust is probably worth every penny. Just make sure you're getting what you paid for.

Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH


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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 10:00:46 -0500
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - another one bites the dust

Picked up the SBM from the local Rhino dealer last night. Ditched the 20yr
old camper and decided to go the liner/toolbox route. Bill (the dealer) is
buyin a '99 PowerStroke Crew Cab (FTE content). Got all misty-eyed while he
was tellin' me about it too. What's REALLY interesting is he's tradin' in
his C#*y. >
Smeck,
79 F100
FTE "Brain Trust"


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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:55:42 -0600
From: "Jeffery G. Conrad"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What's your truck's pet name?

Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What's your truck's pet name?

|Someone else out there has already stolen my favorite nickname for
| my truck: The Beast. It's a 1977 F150 Supercab.

My truck is called "the beast" as well (shortened from the black beast!)
named by my SWMBO.

Black (actually two tone black & primer) 71 F100 Custom, 360 4v, 3 on the
tree,
no power anything, no insulation, no floor boards, etc.... :-)

The kids call it the "bouncy seat truck".


Jeff Conrad
71 F100 Custom
95 Ranger XL
Fan of the 2-TIME WORLD CHAMPION!! Denver Broncos!!!
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:11:10 -0700
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What's your truck's pet name?

I call our's "The '65" quite often.
-srw
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SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
'65 F100

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Don Grossman
To:
Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 10:11 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - What's your truck's pet name?


> Ok, fine. I call my truck a 63 Ford. I know call me weird ;)
>
> Now that I have spilled my guts, does anyone have any place that I can
some
> information on the 490 series engines?
>
> Laters
>
> --
> Don Grossman
> duckdon pacific.net
>
> 99 Contour SE Sport
> 63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.
>
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:27:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast?

Before I say anything else, it was the condenser! I don't know
if it was bad, but it had come loose from the little bracket
that is usually spot welded on. In this case the bracket
wrapped around the condenser. It was kind of snapped in and came
out. I replaced it with a new one and drove the truck about 10
miles. It ran smoothly and didn't miss a beat. WooHoo! You
guys are awesome. I even had time left over to put the motor
in the 4X4.

Pat Brown wrote:
> Alright class - extra credit question.

If you assume not current flowing from the previous cycle that
would mean that just before the points close the condenser is
fully charged and has 12 volts across it. No current flowing
through the primary means no voltage drop so the coil has 0V.
Same goes for the ballast. Since the points are in parallel
with the condenser, they too have 12V across them.

When the points close the first thing that happens is the
condenser discharges through the points. The points have
minimal resistance, but current will lead voltage in this case
and since we are talking the INSTANT the points close, I would
have to say the voltage remains 12V. There is still no current
flowing through the ballast and coil because of the inductance
so their voltages are still 0V.

I think in actual operation these things are dynamic,the
condenser never reaches a full charge, and all these voltages
depend on the various timing factors involved.

Am I at least close?

Mark in Southwest Washington
www.pacifier.com/~draco
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'74 F-100 4X4
'74 F-250 Supercab

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:28:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Auto electrical system book?

Bill Beyer wrote regarding "Automotive Electrical Handbook":
> I have this book and while it is pretty good on the real basics
> you won't find allot of advanced troubleshooting techniques. It's
> more geared towards wiring a vehicle from scratch or designing your
> own custom wiring harness. Haven't seen many others out there.

Thanks, that is just what I am trying to avoid.

Have you seen the Haynes "Techbook" series? I picked up the one
on "Ford Automatic Transmission Overhaul". I have never rebuilt
a transmission so I can't comment on it's accuracy, but the
explanations on how a transmission works are excellent. For the
first time I think I have some idea what is going on in there.

Anyway, when I went to Napa to get a condenser I notice they had
a Techbook on Electrical Systems. I think I will try that one.

Mark in Southwest Washington
www.pacifier.com/~draco
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'74 F-100 4X4
'74 F-250 Supercab

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 08:32:50 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Auto electrical system book?

Haven't seen it. Let us know how it looks.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: draco pacifier.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Cc: bbeyer pacifier.com ; draco pacifier.com

Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 8:29 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Auto electrical system book?


>>
>Have you seen the Haynes "Techbook" series? I picked up the one
>on "Ford Automatic Transmission Overhaul". I have never rebuilt
>a transmission so I can't comment on it's accuracy, but the
>explanations on how a transmission works are excellent. For the
>first time I think I have some idea what is going on in there.
>
>Anyway, when I went to Napa to get a condenser I notice they had
>a Techbook on Electrical Systems. I think I will try that one.



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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:48:43 -0400
From: Garr&Pam
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts

I have been interested in putting a stainless exhaust on my truck for
quite awhile now. Anyone have any experience on this issue? I'd
appreciate your comments, pro or con as well as any info on suppliers.

I have bassani and borla exhaust components on my Lightning, I am very
happy with both. They both have fantastic quality even though the
bassani equipment is more so than borla but no complaints on either. The
other thing was it was a complete bolt on system...doubt you will be
that lucky though. Bassani does not have a website that I know of but I
think http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.borla.com is the address for Borla(I stress I THINK), I
also believe that Dynomax offers stainless mufflers and you can order
stainless pipe from Summit and have someone custom fabricat a system for
you.

Let us know how it turns out
Chris
94 Lightning #381
NLOC #238
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:50:18 EDT
From: MONKEY D EISS
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Truck manuals

Hi....I have a ''62 f100 with a 223 straight six........I was wondering
if anyone knows any way I can order a manual for my truck......I sent
this in last time, but I have juno, and it can only get 60k worth of
message, and the answer to my question was cut out when it was answered
the first time......Sorry, but thanx........Jonathan

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:30:28 -0700
From: "Peter LaDow"
Subject: FW: FTE 61-79 - Truck Manual

Here's what I originally sent.

> -----Original Message-----
> > -----Original Message-----
> > I was wondering if anyone knows where I can order a '62 f100 truck manual
> > by mail.....
> > Its a stepside with a 223 straight six....Thanks....Jonathan
>
> I ordered a service manual for my '66 F-100 from Bob Johnson Auto Literature.
> I'm pretty sure they have more manuals than just service manuals. His phone
> number is (508)-872-9173.
>
> He had the manuals I needed in stock, unlike the other 3 places I called. He
> was really nice and helpful on the phone, and the price was comparable to the
> other vendors.

Peter LaDow
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 09:28:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Electrical Problems - Coil Ballast

Alright class - extra credit question. Assuming no
current left over
from the previous cycle, what is
the current flow and voltages present
thru/across each component
(points, coil, ballast) at the INSTANT the
points close? Winner gets to buy
gas on April 30th, except Delanty.
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When dealing with Inductors and Capacitors there are
two simple rules:

Capacitors - ICE
that is I(current) before E(voltage) in a
C(Capacitor).
Inductors - ELI
that is E(voltage) before I(current) in an
L(Inductor).

So the instant the points close the capacitor will
dicharge current through the points as its voltage
goes from full voltage to zero in approximatly 5 time
constants (TC = R X C = resistance in circuit times
the value of capacitance). The voltage across the
ballast and coil will be full battery voltage, since
there is no current flow initially. After 5 Time
Constants (TC = L x R = ballast resistance times
inductance) the coil will charge up to about 6 Volts
(Battery voltage - ballast resistance x saturated coil
current).

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:55:14 -0400
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 490 series

Don G. writes: >>does anyone have any place that I can some information on the
490 series engines?

You're one up on me already, as I've never heard of a 490 series engine!!! Is
it one of the new modular V8's/V10's or something like that. Keep in mind, I
don't know a thing about any Ford trucks(or cars) later than '79.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 12:25:05 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - "great Gas out"

>Josh Assing wrote:
>
> Someone sent this to me. I sent it to my "joke" list; and got an
> overwhelming response "what a great idea" so i thought I'd pass it
> on to the ford list; since there was recently a discussion on gas.
>
>
This is such a load of bull! Gas prices now, when adjusted for inflation,
are as low as they ever have been in the history of this country. If there
is anything to get upset about, it is the pervert in the White House who
has taken us into a civil war that is NONE OF OUR BUSINESS in order to
create some sort of "legacy" for himself. Why don't the people who
originate this drivel put some effort into THAT?
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:42:27 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 490 series

am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:

> Don G. writes: >>does anyone have any place that I can some information on the
> 490 series engines?
>
> You're one up on me already, as I've never heard of a 490 series engine!!! Is
> it one of the new modular V8's/V10's or something like that. Keep in mind, I
> don't know a thing about any Ford trucks(or cars) later than '79.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>

It's in a 68 F500. The largest factory engine that I know of is the 460. But in
68. Web searches come up with nothing. It's also equipped with a 5 speed ( could
be a clark). The search continues

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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 10:56:10 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast?

>Alright class - extra credit question. Assuming no current left over
>from the previous cycle, what is the current flow and voltages present
>thru/across each component (points, coil, ballast) at the INSTANT the
>points close? Winner gets to buy gas on April 30th, except Delanty.

Aww, c'mon Pat, I wanna play to!!

Points: I = 0, V = 0
Ballast: I = 0, V = 0
Coil: I = 0, V = 12

Better measure it quick tho!

Can I buy gas too? Can I, can I, can I, PLEASE!

Steve
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:56:36 -0500
From: "Oden, Patrick K"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - The Great Gas Out

Now, it has been a few years since I have been in an Economics class, so correct
me if I'm wrong, but I believe the relationship of supply and demand is the
opposite of what the promoters of the "Great Gas Out" think it is. In other
words, the less demand there is for gasoline, the more expensive it will be. I
believe this is because of, but not limited to, the following reason. If it
costs the manufacturer the same amount to produce a product as it always has,
and fewer people buy that product, then the manufacturer is forced to raise the
price of the product to support operating costs (raw materials, labor,
contracts, etcetera). I believe prices can only be dropped when there is high
demand, or when there is a breakthrough in technology that allows the product to
be produced cheaper, or what have you. Although I don't believe a one day
boycott of gasoline would affect its prices, an extended boycott might, but it
would have negative effects for everyone involved (manufacturer, distributor,
retailer, and most of all, the consumer). Does this sound right?

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 13:00:34 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 490 series

>It's in a 68 F500. The largest factory engine that I know of is the 460.
>But in
>68. Web searches come up with nothing. It's also equipped with a 5 speed (
>could
>be a clark). The search continues
>

How did you determine the 490 size of it ? Stickers on it ? or something
someone told you? Or written somewhere ?

Just curious, lots of times I get mixed up with one or two numbers off (390
vs 490 or 460 vs 490), not that I've made the mistake, but people who don't
know the Ford side that well may miss remember things (a buddy's dad swears
he had an original 455 Chevy pickup ... )


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 13:03:15 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - front spring height

>Since there's a thread on front springs and inserts, can anyone tell me how
>much clearance there should be between the I-beam and the rubber bumpers by
>the springs that keep the cab from hitting the beam? (Hope that's clear ...
>) On my 70 F100 (2WD) there's maybe 6 inches of space -- could that be why
>my cab sways side-to-side on the highway?

Do you think the springs are sagging ? I would think the swaying would be
more related to the shocks or anti-sway bars (if you have one) ... I would
check the tires and tie rod ends, also the cab mounts (wouldn't want the
cab to fall off the frame while you're driving :) 6" sounds like plenty of
space...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:05:27 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 490 series

Don wrote:
>It's in a 68 F500. The largest factory engine that I know of is the 460.
But in
>68. Web searches come up with nothing. It's also equipped with a 5 speed
( could
>be a clark). The search continues

There was a big motor series used in the large F-series trucks.
One motor in the series was (I think) 537, and there was a smaller one
also, probably 490...
I've heard of them, but never seen one that I know of. Rumor is
they are big, heavy, low RPM/high torque motors. Dunno where to
direct your search, but these motors did exist.

Steve
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:54:52 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Extra Credit

> Pat Brown asked:
> > Alright class - extra credit question.
> >Assuming no current left over from the previous cycle, what is
> >the current flow and voltages present thru/across each component
> >(points, coil, ballast) at the INSTANT the points close? Winner
> > gets to buy gas on April 30th, except Delanty.

Mark replied:

> If you assume no current flowing from the previous cycle that
> would mean that just before the points close the condenser is
> fully charged and has 12 volts across it. No current flowing
> through the primary means no voltage drop so the coil has 0V.
> Same goes for the ballast. Since the points are in parallel
> with the condenser, they too have 12V across them.

Yep

> When the points close the first thing that happens is the
> condenser discharges through the points. The points have
> minimal resistance, but current will lead voltage in this case
> and since we are talking the INSTANT the points close, I would
> have to say the voltage remains 12V. There is still no current
> flowing through the ballast and coil because of the inductance
> so their voltages are still 0V.

Bingo! The condenser, being the "dual" of an inductor, resists
instantaneous voltage changes, just as the inductor resists current
changes. The voltage across the points is a little tougher to
pin down, as we don't know the resistance of the wiring, points,
etc. But, the full 12 volts will distributed across these various
resistances (including the internal resistance of the condenser).

> I think in actual operation these things are dynamic,the
> condenser never reaches a full charge, and all these voltages
> depend on the various timing factors involved.

Not to mention ringing, coil resistance, wierd ground paths, etc.
Welcome to the Real World!

> Am I at least close?

Mark, I don't think you need a book to learn automotive
electricals! Go to the head of the line, and fill your tank!

And Dan replied:

> When dealing with Inductors and Capacitors there are
> two simple rules:
>
> Capacitors - ICE
> that is I(current) before E(voltage) in a C(Capacitor).
> Inductors - ELI
> that is E(voltage) before I(current) in an L(Inductor).

Dan has the clues!

> So the instant the points close the capacitor will
> dicharge current through the points as its voltage
> goes from full voltage to zero in approximatly 5 time
> constants (TC = R X C = resistance in circuit times
> the value of capacitance).

Yep . .

> The voltage across the
> ballast and coil will be full battery voltage, since
> there is no current flow initially.

Ahhhh! But you forgot the charge on the condenser. 50% Credit :-)

> After 5 Time
> Constants (TC = L x R = ballast resistance times
> inductance) the coil will charge up to about 6 Volts
> (Battery voltage - ballast resistance x saturated coil
> current).

Yes. Dan can buy gas, but only half a tank . . .

Drew shot from the hip, and wrote:
> Hey Pat. I'm guessing 8-12 volts at the instant the points close,
> all on the primary side of the circuit.
> How'd I do?

Well, I'll give you credit for trying, but your answer is incomplete.
What the heck, fill your lawn mower on the 30th :-)
- --
Pat Brown
>From cloudy, rainy, cold Sebastopol, California


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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 21:04:35 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Extra Credit

Mark wrote:
> Pat Brown wrote:
> > Alright class - extra credit question.
>
> If you assume no current flowing from the previous cycle that
> would mean that just before the points close the condenser is
> fully charged and has 12 volts across it. No current flowing
> through the primary means no voltage drop so the coil has 0V.
> Same goes for the ballast. Since the points are in parallel
> with the condenser, they too have 12V across them.

Yep

> When the points close the first thing that happens is the
> condenser discharges through the points. The points have
> minimal resistance, but current will lead voltage in this case
> and since we are talking the INSTANT the points close, I would
> have to say the voltage remains 12V. There is still no current
> flowing through the ballast and coil because of the inductance
> so their voltages are still 0V.

Bingo! The condenser, being the "dual" of an inductor, resists
instantaneous voltage changes, as the inductor resists current
changes. The voltage across the points is a little tougher to
pin down, as we don't know the resistance of the wiring, points,
etc. But, the full 12 volts will distributed across these various
resistances (including the internal resistance of the condenser).

> I think in actual operation these things are dynamic,the
> condenser never reaches a full charge, and all these voltages
> depend on the various timing factors involved.

Absolutely, welcome to the Real World!

> Am I at least close?

Mark, I don't think you need a book to learn automotive
electricals! Go to the head of the line, and fill your tank!

Drew wrote:
> Hey Pat. I'm guessing 8-12 volts at the instant the points close,
> all on the primary side of the circuit.
> How'd I do?

Well, I'll give you credit for trying, but your answer is incomplete.
What the heck, you can buy gas on the 30th as well:-)
- --
Pat Brown
>From cloudy, rainy, cold Sebastopol, California


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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 22:12:16 -0700
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - "great Gas out"

John Strauss wrote:
> >Josh Assing wrote:
> > > [gas out snipped]
> This is such a load of bull! Gas prices now, when adjusted for
> inflation, are as low as they ever have been in the history.
> [Clinton/Kosovo snipped, way out of bounds here on FTE!]

Prices were low, but in the SF Bayarea, have gone up 30 to 50%
in the last two weeks. The reason? Exxon shut down a refinery
(repair), then Tosco (explosion, four fatalities), then Chevron
(explosion). I saw $2.10 premium in Calistoga last week. Exxon
went back on line yesterday, I don't expect to see prices fall
as fast as they went up. I agree with Ken, except if I was an
independent dealer (fairly rare now in California), I'd just
close on the 30th. Most of the independent dealers here closed
by January 1st, due to expense of complying with state underground
tank regulations (200-500k bucks!)
- --
Pat Brown
Now hailing, maybe snow down to 1000 feet! Sebastopol, California

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:18:02 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - The Great Gas Out

You missed the part of the equation that deals with the surplus in supply,
which is why gas prices have been so low for the last few months. Gasoline
has been and will continue to be produced regardless of a one day stoppage.
The result would be a very temporary surplus of gas which would probably not
have any meaningful impact on prices. At best this "gas out" would send a
symbolic message that the public is able to band together and act in concert
to promote the idea that they feel gas prices are too high, especially if
you drive a very thirsty Ford truck (FTE content). BTW this is my first and
last post on this topic.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Oden, Patrick K
To: 'Ford Trucks'
Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 10:59 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - The Great Gas Out


>Now, it has been a few years since I have been in an Economics class, so
correct
>me if I'm wrong, but I believe the relationship of supply and demand is the
>opposite of what the promoters of the "Great Gas Out" think it is. In other
>words, the less demand there is for gasoline, the more expensive it will
be. I
>believe this is because of, but not limited to, the following reason. If it
>costs the manufacturer the same amount to produce a product as it always
has,
>and fewer people buy that product, then the manufacturer is forced to raise
the
>price of the product to support operating costs (raw materials, labor,
>contracts, etcetera). I believe prices can only be dropped when there is
high
>demand, or when there is a breakthrough in technology that allows the
product to
>be produced cheaper, or what have you. Although I don't believe a one day
>boycott of gasoline would affect its prices, an extended boycott might, but
it
>would have negative effects for everyone involved (manufacturer,
distributor,
>retailer, and most of all, the consumer). Does this sound right?



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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 11:24:32 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 490 series

You might try this link:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.atlanticford.com/

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: Don Grossman
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 490 series



>
>It's in a 68 F500. The largest factory engine that I know of is the 460.
But in
>68. Web searches come up with nothing. It's also equipped with a 5 speed
( could
>be a clark). The search continues



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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 11:32:04 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 490 series

Thanks


I was basing the engine size on verbal information not a visual inspection.
Like Steve D. said a big heavy engine. I just have not seen much information on
this engine and was looking for some insight.

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duckdon pacific.net

99 Contour SE Sport
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 99 10:31:33 PDT
From: "mhorvath"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: TRUCK NAMES

Recentley after buying a =9175 F-250 from my neighbor, my wife dubbed it =
"that ugly truck." She just doesn't understand!

Mike H.
Oak Harbor, WA

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 12:00:01 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Extra Credit

>> When dealing with Inductors and Capacitors there are
>> two simple rules:
>>
>> Capacitors - ICE
>> that is I(current) before E(voltage) in a C(Capacitor).
>> Inductors - ELI
>> that is E(voltage) before I(current) in an L(Inductor).

Heehee, yeah, our high school electronics teacher always told
us to remember "ELI the ICE man"...

Steve
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:04:37 -0700
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - "great Gas out"

$1.69 a gallon in San Jose for 87 octane, and it is snowing in boulder
creek (20 miles west of San Jose)

> -----Original Message-----
> From:Pat Brown [SMTP:patb sonic.net]
> Sent:Thursday, April 08, 1999 10:12 PM
> To:61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject:Re: FTE 61-79 - "great Gas out"
>
> John Strauss wrote:
> > >Josh Assing wrote:
> > > > [gas out snipped]
> > This is such a load of bull! Gas prices now, when adjusted for
> > inflation, are as low as they ever have been in the history.
> > [Clinton/Kosovo snipped, way out of bounds here on FTE!]
>
> Prices were low, but in the SF Bayarea, have gone up 30 to 50%
> in the last two weeks. The reason? Exxon shut down a refinery
> (repair), then Tosco (explosion, four fatalities), then Chevron
> (explosion). I saw $2.10 premium in Calistoga last week. Exxon
> went back on line yesterday, I don't expect to see prices fall
> as fast as they went up. I agree with Ken, except if I was an
> independent dealer (fairly rare now in California), I'd just
> close on the 30th. Most of the independent dealers here closed
> by January 1st, due to expense of complying with state underground
> tank regulations (200-500k bucks!)
> --
> Pat Brown
> Now hailing, maybe snow down to 1000 feet! Sebastopol, California
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:09:36 -0400
From: "f Saur"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 F100

Can anyone tell me what the timing should be set at for a 302 2brl. is it 8
deg at 550rpm. Also how do you know if the vacuum diaphragm on the
distributor is pulling the right amount? I know it is working but I got it
from the scrap yard and don't know if it is pulling the right amount for my
engine? Also when I set my timing to 8deg. at 550rpm the truck becomes a
real slug off of the line!Martie fsaur sprint.ca

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:10:44 -0400
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 490 series

At 11:05 AM 4/8/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Don wrote:
>>It's in a 68 F500. The largest factory engine that I know of is the 460.
>But in
>>68. Web searches come up with nothing. It's also equipped with a 5 speed
>( could
>>be a clark). The search continues
>
> There was a big motor series used in the large F-series trucks.
> One motor in the series was (I think) 537, and there was a smaller one
> also, probably 490...
> I've heard of them, but never seen one that I know of. Rumor is
> they are big, heavy, low RPM/high torque motors. Dunno where to
> direct your search, but these motors did exist.
>
> Steve
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty
>
> "There are no stupid questions... just stupid people."
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Yeah, I have heard of the 537... It was brought out after a 500+ CI engine
that chevy brought out, and was dubbed the "537 Bowtie Buster".
Supposedely really torquey.... But I've never heard f the 490, sorry...

The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
not...
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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 14:20:28 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 F100

>Can anyone tell me what the timing should be set at for a 302 2brl. is it 8
>deg at 550rpm.

Sure why not ... didn't we send this out yesterday ? If you need it again
lettuce know.


Also how do you know if the vacuum diaphragm on the
>distributor is pulling the right amount? I know it is working but I got it
>from the scrap yard and don't know if it is pulling the right amount for my
>engine? Also when I set my timing to 8deg. at 550rpm the truck becomes a
>real slug off of the line!Martie fsaur sprint.ca
>

You are timing it with the vacuum DISconnected right? If it is connected
and you're setting it at 8 it should be a dog, and depending on your cam it
may or may not be later. Do you have a vacuum gauge ?

If so, hook that to the advance line to the distributor, see how much
vacuum you have at an idle, also note whether its hooked to ported or
manifold vacuum, ported will jump when you step on the gas at first,
manifold will drop when you step on it... if you're at manifold then you
can use the gauge to tune it, if you're not, switch to a manifold one and
use the gauge again.

Lets just say again, on an unknown motor that's worn, stock isn't the best
answer necessarily.



Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 12:55:12 -0700
From: "Brandt, Chris"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 490 series

475, 477, 534 CID Super Duty V8

DispBoreStrokeChamber Volume CCValve I
E Cam Lift ( valve)
475, 477 : 4.53.75135-1452.o25
1.640.4387
5344.20152-162


Solid Lifters
Gear Drive cam
Deep Skirt Block
Integral Oil Cooler
Shaft Mount (inline) Valve Train
Integral Govenor
SAE #2 Bellhousing adapter integral with block


Available in F&N 700 and up platforms only (not absolutley sure of this)

If sombody buys that truck I am interested in the tranny......

All of this info from the 1978 version of The Ford Truck service manual.....


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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 16:15:12 -0400
From: "Leslie O Mehaffey"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: TRUCK NAMES

My '79 F-150 was named "Bullet" from one of my good freinds I go to school
with since it is primer gray.

Jeff
Bedford, Va

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 13:41:47 -0700
From: MC
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Drum brake adjusters

Hi guys.
Could one of you guys direct me to a diagram of the automatic
adjusters for drum brakes? A buddy of mine pulled some off of a parts
truck but I didn't have the chance to inspect them before they came off
so I don't know how they go back on. I can't just compare them to mine
because mine hasn't had any since I bought it. The parts truck only had
3 on it, so I am going to put 1 on each front tire and just wait until I
can scrounge up another to do the back.
The truck is a 1970 F100 4x4. Also, the drum and hub on the front is
all one piece. I have heard of people modifying this so that the drum
can be removed without removing the hub. To do that do I just pound on
the studs until the hub comes loose, or are there some kind of keepers
that need to be removed first?

Thanks for the help.

- --
Matt Cozad
When everything's coming your way, you're in the wrong lane.

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Date: Thu, 08 Apr 1999 15:56:06 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Report on Marko Maryniak and his 1967 Mercury M-250 4x4 resto

Greetings and salutations fellow FTE'ers-

I have been authorized by my old Ukrainian buddy, Marko Maryniak (per my
request) to share the latest on his 1967 M-250 4x4 restoration. For those
of you who are new, Marko was one of the first few members of the FTE list
back when I first got on with 200 members and one list. I gather from his
comments he is no longer on the list
due to time restraints with work and all the Kyaking (spelling?) he does.

Marko salvaged a 410 Merc engine from a 66 Merc Marauder stationwagon
(better known as the Lovewagon)
and dropped it in his 67 Merc truck. I can't wait to see HIS truck when
it's done!!!

Enough of the preface. Enjoy!

Stu
Nuke GM!
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>X-Sender: marko mail.cancom.net (Unverified)
>Date: Tue, 06 Apr 1999 22:11:16 -0600
>To: Stu Varner
>From: Marko Maryniak


Hi Stu!

Well I just got back from 10 days on the coast.

The trip was reasonably okay from a truck rebuilding point of view. Here's
what's new:

rad support is painted and mounted.

I have installed OEM Monroe gas-matic shocks.

Driveshafts are in, except propeller shaft to transfer case ('member, this
is a 250!).
The Stan's headers didn't fit and I got nervous about heat problems. So I
returned them (no problems!) and went with stock exhaust manifolds (truck
type) with Bill Hirsch cast iron paint.
I got a dipstick as you know. It still has the FOMOCO paper part number
tag on it!
I have the Autolite carb on there and it works okay. The secondaries don't
seem to want to open up though--when the engine is off you can move them by
hand (diaphragm moves) but when the engine is running (I ran the carb in on
my 2wd 360 pickup) they freeze up, or jam, or something. I'd like somebody
to explain to me why this is. I'll have to find some old timer around here.
Then I hung my old Thrush turbos on 2-1/2" pipes and side dumps on the
frame, and added 6 liters of Valvoline.
And now the good part.

WE FIRED IT.

Geez Stu, 417 cubic inches of fresh motor sounds, well, absolutely scary.
This motor snarls, snorts, rumbles like an earthquake. Throughout its
range it's as smooth as glass. The Autolite makes it VERY responsive,
altho I think it may be just a bit small for such a huge motor. I may have
to trade it for a 600cfm model.
And the Engle cam I have chosen gives it one hell of a chunky idle. When
you open up the throttle this thing just growls like a bear. This things
sounds every bit like 444 ft lbs of factory-rated torque and over 400
horsepower.
I just can't wait to pull up next to some ___hole with a 350 ch*vy and just
let my truck blow him away at idle. There's lotsa them ^*%*$*%$ all
over the place, including here. One tap of my right foot and they'll know
what part of

Now for other junkyard foraging news: I bought a MINT heat shield/stove
assembly, and a snorkel to fit. I am gonna modify my air cleaner (66 410
with the trumpet snout) by putting the snorkel on it, making a bigger dent
to clear a modern post-type distributor cap, and putting the pcv fitting on
it. I am gonna run one of those black Ford oil filler cap/breather cap
things like Mustangs had.

I also found a MINT set of Western mirrors in stainless, original 71
Fomoco, with the 3-point mounting. And I got a perfect cargo light.

Now all I want is a bucket seat and a rear wiring harness, and black arm
rests. I'll get the arm rests from Carpenter.

Any suggestions on the wiring harness?
Talk to ya later,
marko


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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 17:09:40 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hills? In Ohio?

Hey you Ohio Flatlanders....

I just spent the day driving from Columbus to Akron....across Route 62 and
through Amish Country....couldn't believe it, you guys have hills
here-they're beautiful!

Anyway, found a couple of places of interest. The first one is a little town
that has a lot full of front clips and beds from all kinds of trucks. There
were several beds from 80 and up, some looked brand new, like they were taken
off and replaced with a dump bed or something. There were several 70-ish cabs
and clips, looked to be in good shape. Now, one problem, I went through so
many towns today, I can't remember the name, but I can come up with it later
when I find a good map....mine doesn't have it on it....OK, now the other
place is just west of Killbuck on 62. This guy had several 70's, most
F-100's, both 2 and 4 wheel drive. He had an approximately 74 F-250 4x4,
with it looked like a COMPLETE running gear....he said he was asking $200 for
the entire front axle, so I know he'll make a deal on the rest of the
rig....the place is called "Cost Cutter" and the phone number is (330)
276-6875....be sure to tell him that the "Colorado Guy" told you about him,
he'll get a kick out of that....

If anyone is REAL interested in that first place, send me a message and I'll
try and figure out the name of that town with the cabs and clips....

Just tryin' to help you flatland types......ehehehe

CJ










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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:01:33 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts

In a message dated 4/8/99 10:41:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
wnorowski onebellevue.com writes:

> Unless you can see the heat # and alloy # on the tube and verify it's "
> stainless" through and through, stick with the aluminized.

Point well taken Ted....What are the specs to ask about?

Stock Man
(a/k/a Thom B.)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 18:17:37 EDT
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 490 series

In a message dated 4/8/99 1:45:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
duckdon pacific.net writes:

>
> It's in a 68 F500. The largest factory engine that I know of is the 460.
> But in
> 68. Web searches come up with nothing. It's also equipped with a 5 speed

I am not familiar with the 490 series designation but the heavy trucks used
V-8 gas motors with 401, 477 and 534 CID.

Stock Man
(a/k/a Thom B.)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Thu, 8 Apr 1999 15:45:30 -0700
From: "Brandt, Chris"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Stainless Steel Exhausts

Have to jump in here.......

> > Unless you can see the heat # and alloy # on the tube and verify it's
> "
> > stainless" through and through, stick with the aluminized.
>
> Point well taken Ted....What are the specs to ask about?
snip'

Hate to see myths being propogated on the only true source of wisdom
and knowledge (the FTE list...)

Point one from a previous message bassically said that true
Stainless Steel will not stick to a magnet....not true at all. Wrong to the
point of being a lie and I suspect the authour of that comment to have a
Ch$*y parked at home...

There are two main types of stainless steels (note that "stainless
steel" is a trade name alot like kleenex...) Martensitic, and Ferritic, with....


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