61-79-list-digest Saturday, January 16 1999 Volume 03 : Number 012



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Distributor Specs '77 F250 w/460 cu in
FTE 61-79 - Waterpump Problems Sorted out, up & running!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Oh Oh, steering gearbox
Re: FTE 61-79 - Waterpump Problems Sorted out, up & running!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Header gaskets ; hard starting whi
Re: FTE 61-79 - Waterpump Problems Sorted out, up & running!
FTE 61-79 - Pulley Thanks
FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway Bars
FTE 61-79 - '66 Camper Special wiring
FTE 61-79 - RE: power steering pumps
FTE 61-79 - sway bars
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gear Swap
FTE 61-79 - intro
FTE 61-79 - Power Brake Booster
FTE 61-79 - Pacific Northwest . . .
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pacific Northwest . . .
FTE 61-79 - '67 Ford camper special
FTE 61-79 - Hard Starting While Hot
FTE 61-79 - Hard Starting While Hot
FTE 61-79 - 460 kicking back
Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering pumps
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gear Swap
FTE 61-79 - 79 F-150
Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F-150
Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F-150
Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F-150
Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F-150

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 07:57:24 -0600
From: Rick_Thompson dell.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Distributor Specs '77 F250 w/460 cu in

Does anyone have the distributor specifications for a 1977 F250 with a 460
and auto trans with air conditioning? The service manual says to refer to
the performance specifications booklet for the settings. Anyone have the
booklet?

The specs should list the distributor degree curve by both vacuum quantity
and mechanical at various RPMs I think.

Rick Thompson


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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:01:10 -0000
From: "Jeff Carver"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Waterpump Problems Sorted out, up & running!

For the two of you paying attention,
I finally got the thermostat installed properly
and have no coolant leaks. Truck started
up (with a little juice help) fine and runs
like it did before. Brakes work better
when good uncracked vacuum hoses are
installed. Made a dump run and things
went just fine. Felt good to be driving
the truck again.

Next task is to replace the leaf springs.

Jeff
64 F100 CrewCab


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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 06:12:34 -0800
From: John Lord
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Oh Oh, steering gearbox

You might be better off buying a rebuilt box, I have rebuilt a few ford
and dodge boxes and they are quite finicky, some chilton manuals dont
mention the some of the bearings you speak of could be a bit larger than
others and have to go in, in a certain order.

I rebuilt a dodge box once and it didnt return to center for 6 months
because i misread a spring scale whale setting preloads.

don wrote:
>
> I have a 1979 f-150 that I am rejuvenating. Having taken all the sheetmetal
> off, etc on the front end, I figured I would remove the steering box, paint
> it, etc. After a lil struggle, I finallt got it off the frame etc so I could
> clean it up. While cleaning it, i saw 4 bolts and a seperate piece on it, so
> I figured I would remove it so I could clean it up better.
> I removed the 4 bolts, and noticed I needed to basically "unscrew" the piece
> as it was a large screw type device (gear). Well, no problem, it cam right
> out, as I also noticed and heard lil bb's falling all over the place
> (bearings). Right then I knew I screwed up BIGTIME.
> Examining the two seperate pieces now, it does not look like there is a way
> to replace the bearings that have come apart....
> this is going to have to be replaced as a whole unit isn't it ?
> Big time bucks probably ?
> best to buy new (rebuilt) to insure a "tight" steering response...
> ANY help appreciatted
> donb ficom.net
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:14:48 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Waterpump Problems Sorted out, up & running!

>For the two of you paying attention,
>I finally got the thermostat installed properly
>and have no coolant leaks. Truck started
>up (with a little juice help) fine and runs
>like it did before.

Hey that's great ..


Brakes work better
>when good uncracked vacuum hoses are
>installed. Made a dump run and things
>went just fine. Felt good to be driving
>the truck again.
>
Amazing what a good brake booster hose can do isn't it? My truck was the
same way til about a year ago when i replaced the head gasket ... now it
idles better too (no more leaky hoses)


>Next task is to replace the leaf springs.
>
Good luck! :)
Never done this myself.

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:28:13 -0500
From: scives blueskye.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Header gaskets ; hard starting whi

[My 2 cents]
I had this identical problem when I first baught my '77 f-150/351M. I went
through the whole starting sytem as you have. In the end it turned out to be
my engines timing that fixed the problem. I advanced the timing a little
(don't ask me to what, 'cause I don't have a light and I always do it by
ear).I hope this puts you on the right track.It's worth a try before you
spend more money.

- -Pop I
'77 f-150 4x4
'86 Bronco
'89 f-250 4x4
'96 Bronco

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cannandale netpointe.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 1999 9:32 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Header gaskets ; hard starting whi


I have the exact same problem. But I have a complete new starting system.
Dual 1000cca Batteries, new 2 guage wires, new selenoid, new starter, plus
a heat sheild on the starter that I ordered from Jegs. I was told that I
need to get a High-Temp starter thats used in racing. There pretty
exspensive.. I dunno what I should do..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 10:56 PM 1/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I had the same problem, time to get a new starter..
>
>Mike in Seattle
>
>sam weatherby wrote:
>
>> >The starter cranks slowly after engine has been run awhile almost like a
>> run
>> >down battery, but after it sits awhile cranks real well.
>> >I know this has been discussed in the past but I cannot rememberr the
>> >answers.
>>
>> Heat is the problem...
>> Exactly how depends. Verify battery is good.
>> Check all the cable connected to the battery, solenoid and starter.
>> If they are all fine your starter may be nearing the end of it's life.
>> -srw
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:29:06 EST
From: Sldrfld aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Waterpump Problems Sorted out, up & running!

Jeff:
Nice truck....Someone just gave me a 1964 F250. I am just starting the long
advanture in bring it back from the dead. (Three years of not running).
Kevin.
I would like to e-mail you back and forth with problems and ideas on our
trucks. fell free to e-mail me.
sldrfld aol.com
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 09:26:18 -0600
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pulley Thanks

Want to thank everone who responded with information on removing the pulley

on the power steering pump. Limit on time and cost I took it to a machine shop

and for 15.00 they pulled and switch the pulley. Got a scare from a post
stating

that I may not be able to change brackets with the pulley on. The swap had
been

made. Luck would have it that my brackets could.

So wife be willing it'll be on the road this weekend.


Thanks again

Larry


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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:38:47 -0500
From: William King
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway Bars

>I was just wondering if anybody has used the el-cheapo sway bars from JC
>Whitney. If so do they work?
>High Plains Richard
>72 F-100

Richard,
I bought a cheapo JC Whitney sway bar for the front of my 68 F100 (2wd)
about three years ago. It really improved the handling. At the time I
lived in
Cincinnati and used to whip around a curvy on-ramp in the morning (on my
way to
work). Without the sway bar I could only manage 45 mph around this curve.
After the swaybar I could hit 60 mph (around the curve).
I never liked driving my truck w/out the front swaybar. I can't imagine
driving with a camper on the back. I'm sure you'll be happy with the cheapo
bar.
Ohio Bill

1968 Torino GT (429 4V 4speed)
1968 F100 (360 4V 4speed)
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 08:07:39 -0800
From: Eric
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '66 Camper Special wiring

Friends;
I need help finding a wiring diagram for my '66 CS. It has a
transistorized regulator, brake light relay, camper
amplifier, and two ballast resistors in the ignition circuit. The diagram
in the factory manual is all wrong for me.
The points overheat. It seems the resistors don't work; how this can
occur is beyond me.
Any ideas?

Thanks

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 13:00:18 EST
From: "bill comstock"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: power steering pumps

to all,

Well, i guess i get the "duh" award, since i overlooked the obvious:
the poor belt was glazed and the slightest bit of water was making her
slip. That's what i get for looking for a 'real' problem :)
by the way the pulley puller/installer i have is K-D no. 2897 works
great for power steering and some alternators.

also: i would question the legality of the f-100 being considered an
"eyesore" since that is an aesthetic quality. I would request the exact
nature of the violation and who is making the accusation. Not sure
about California but here in Ohio a municipality cannot have ordinances
in conflict with the ORC(Ohio Revised Code) I would check to see if the
same applies there. Sometimes local laws aren't always legal.

Thanks for everyone for setting my head straight.
bc

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:15:17 PST
From: "Don Jones"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - sway bars

>>I was just wondering if anybody has used the el-cheapo sway bars from
JC Whitney. If so do they work? I'm looking to put sways front and
back on the F-100, it has an Alaskan Camper on it and tends to wallow.
And, unfortunately $$$$ are a major issue.

i had an '86 f-150 that would wallow and wobble with my 1800lb 8-1/2 ft
camper on it. A few extra leafs in the rear made it better but didnt
stop it all together. My '85 f-150 supercab has factory sway bars
front and rear and it handles the camper much better.

Maybe the sway bars from something like that would fit your f-100?

Don Jones
1985 f-150 sc
1970 f250 4x4



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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 10:25:31 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gear Swap

"William L. Ballinger" wrote:

> I'm having a little trouble getting some things straight on what I'll
> need to swap gears in my 65 F250 4X4.
>
> First, I thought that I might get away with 4.10's and not have to
> change carriers, but from looking in the Mitchell NSD Interchange manual
> it shows that in the Dana 60 the 4.56 carrier only works with gears from
> 4.56 up. Anything higher (lower numerically) requires the 3.50, 3.73,
> 4.10 carrier. I couldn't tell from the data if that is consistant for
> both the 44 and the 60, since it didn't cover 4X4's. To use this
> carrier, you'd have to have a carrier/ring gear shim of the proper type
> for the different sets right?
>

Dana 44 gear split for the carrier is 3.89-3.92 and the 60 is 4.10-4.56. A
change to 4.10 you would only change the Dana 60 and a change to 3.73 you
will have to change both. I think that there is a ring gear spacer for the
Dana 60 but I'm not sure if it is for up or down. I might have seen it in
a summit racing catalog. I've been up for 28 hours and things are a little
fuzzy. :)

As for the rear end a complete axle swap might be easier and cheaper than
just replacing the gears. You could get the rear end all ready to go in
and when you have the money to do the front then swap the rear end. Spread
the cash out a little over time.

>
> If I'm changing the carriers anyway, I wan't to go with 3.73's. Coupled
> with my 31.50 tall (33X12.50X16.5)tires, it should have good around town
> power and be able to get out on the road a little better. I have a 6.68
> low and 1.86 reduction in my T-case. Someone a while back (Tony?) said
> that the Dana 24 high range is actually not 1:1 but slightly
> underdriven. Does anyone know the ratio?

I have always thought it was 1:1 but I will look into it in the next couple
of days.

>
>
> This a beer-budget (Milwaukee's Best) swap, so if anyone has good rings
> pinions and carriers for a 44 and a 60 (or either one)they want to sell
> reasonable please let me know. If you've been through this, I'd
> appreciate any scrap of info you might have.

Remember 16 spline Dana 60

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
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ICQ# 19575234

99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:04:17 -0500 (EST)
From: zcwp11 Access.ETSU.Edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - intro

Hello all...

Just introducing myself to everyone. My name is Clayton Pierce... I'm in
northeast Tennessee. Joined the list because of my '62 F100 unibody. I
bought the truck a couple of months ago because I figured I could use a
parts hauler... and I couldn't beat the price... $300! It's reasonably
solid considering it's age... and the original 6 banger still runs almost
as strong as it knocks. It is completely optionless... manual brakes,
steering, no door locks, 3 speed on the collumn... just the way I like a
truck to be... nothing to go wrong :-) The truck recently has been
upgraded to daily driver as I've had to let my father use my '79 Cutlass
and the '65 Poncho is waiting on a part that seems to be made of
unobtanium ;-).

Mods to the truck so far include a liberal cleaning of the ol' 1 bbl. and
a rattle-can two tone paint job (blue and white of course) that actually
doesn't look all that bad!

Anyways... just letting everybody know I'm out here!

Peace, Goodwill,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11 Access.ETSU.edu

1962 Ford F100 (I-6, 3spd on coll, lotsa miles)
1965 Pontiac Bonneville Sports Coupe (389, 4bbl, TH400, 110k miles)
1979 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (260, 2bbl, TH200-M, 205k miles)
1980 Rover 3500 SD1 (215 V8, EFI, auto, 85k miles)
1982 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Brougham (307, 4bbl, TH350, 90k miles)
1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (RIP) (350, 4bbl, TH400, 60k miles)

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Date: Tue, 28 Aug 1956 10:50:47 +0000
From: mdennis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power Brake Booster

Was running around town today in my 79 F150 4x4. Got in the truck at
one point and suddenly no power brakes ( I do have brakes just no
power). The vacuum lines are attached and look ok. Truck runs Ok, (no
apparent vacuum leaks). Do PB Boosters go bad that quickly? I have a
vacuum tester. Does anyone know how much vacuum it should take to
operate properly? Haven't checked it yet cause I have no garage and it
is snowing like crazy. I've never changed a booster. Is it just a R&R
or are there "tricks" I need to know? Can they be rebuilt, such as a
kit I can install? Thanks for any help!

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:05:17 -0800
From: "Wiltzius, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pacific Northwest . . .

I'm probably thick and slow on the uptake but I've recently noticed that
there is a bunch
of folks from the Great Pacific Northwest on this list. Is it the new mecca
of old Ford truck owners?
Maybe I need to move back up there ! ! !
TW
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 14:21:54 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pacific Northwest . . .

There are a bunch of us.
I think we we need to get together sometime.
Of course I think Pete Brock coming to town is a great opportunity...
-srw

Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
'98 HD FXD Super Glide
'65 F100

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From: Wiltzius, Tom
To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 2:10 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pacific Northwest . . .


>I'm probably thick and slow on the uptake but I've recently noticed that
>there is a bunch
>of folks from the Great Pacific Northwest on this list. Is it the new mecca
>of old Ford truck owners?
>Maybe I need to move back up there ! ! !
>TW
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 16:34:08 -0800
From: "Jacques and Barbara DeKalb"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '67 Ford camper special

I'm not sure if this would interest anyone. I found a '67 Ford F-250 camper
special today for sale and would be glad to assist anyone interested in
checking it out. It is a 2-wheel drive, long bed, 352, auto, with Ranger
trim, factory bucket seats and console, door pads, etc. I couldn't find any
rust anywhere including the battery tray! It has a tall Gem Top canopy
mounted but the tailgate is in the back, only a minor dent in the chrome.
83K original miles. I figure an FTE member ought to have this, but I have
all the Fords my wife will let me keep. I have no affiliation or financial
interest in the truck. The seller is very firm that she wants $2500.
E-mail me

Jacques, Bend, Ore

1964 F-100, SWB, chopped 4"
1965 F-250, Crewcab, SNB, 429, C-6
1968 F-250, Crewcab, SNB, 390, C-6
1970 F-100, Ranger 4X4, SWB
1975,F-250, Crewcab, SNB, 4X4, 429, C-6



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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:10:15 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hard Starting While Hot

Had 2 different cars that would not start when they were hot! Ended up
junking them at the time. Later, I found out from two reliable mechanics
that when a head gasket leaks into the cylinders, the antifreeze loads up
the rings. Somehow the buildup under the rings exspands and slows down the
cranking process. When cold, the engine cranks fast enough to start.
Sounds crazy, right. You can change starters and batteries untill the cows
come home and it won't help. has anyone heard of this?
Tim
66 F100 352
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:10:15 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hard Starting While Hot

Had 2 different cars that would not start when they were hot! Ended up
junking them at the time. Later, I found out from two reliable mechanics
that when a head gasket leaks into the cylinders, the antifreeze loads up
the rings. Somehow the buildup under the rings exspands and slows down the
cranking process. When cold, the engine cranks fast enough to start.
Sounds crazy, right. You can change starters and batteries untill the cows
come home and it won't help. has anyone heard of this?
Tim
66 F100 352
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 19:55:27 -0600
From: jedolson juno.com (JOHN E DOLSON)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 kicking back

a friend of mine is having a problem with his 1976 F350 camper special,
460,4bbl, auto. he says that whenever he shuts the engine off, it kicks
back on him. what could be causing this? how does someone go about fixing
it? cold it be that his timing is off? The wiring is also very messed up
on this truck, the previous owner used telephone wire in some places when
he swapped the engine from a lincoln.

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:11:10 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering pumps

In a message dated 1/13/99 12:39:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,
pettyjr mail.auburn.edu writes:


If I'm not mistaken, >>

Yes, there is a special tool for this job. I bought mine at NAPA for lots of
money and it fits Ford, GM, and Chysler. I cried when I found the same tool
for rent $7.00 a day at one of our local AL's stores same chain as Checker.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:18:19 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gear Swap

i have a set of 3.50's and a carrier for the front dana 44, its probably going
to be hard to find a set of used 3.73's,
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:34:07 EST
From: JefriHansn aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 F-150

Back in June I found the truck I'VE ALWAYS wanted, a 79 F-150 Shortbed 4X4,
with a 429CJ and 4sp. THIS IS MY FIRST 4WD. And it's the appropriate color -
money pit green. Since the intial $4000 price tag, I've had to spend $3000
just to keep her on the road. NOW, I'm having another problem I'm trying to
track down - and that's a bone shaking, window rattling vibration from
50mph-65mph. It's doesn't go away at 65, only becomes very fine, and taking
the front drive shaft out GREATLY helped felt vibration. (No - it's not in 4WD
and everything in the front axle checks out - the rear end went out 3000 miles
after I bought it so I put the correct 4:11's in it vise the stock 3:7's he
had with 35"ers.) It goes away totally when I depress the clutch. When I
first bought the truck, he only had a four quart oil pan and poured oil out
the rear main. I put on a Moroso 8qt, and changed the rear main. The seal
was totally flat spotted on the bottom. Now it's developed this vibration
thing and now the front of the transmission is pouring oil. Old fords don't
leak oil, they just mark thier spot - and this one does noe with a 5 inch dia.
spot of 140w.
It has an L&L aluminum bellhousing and I'm wondering if this isn't maybe
flexing under load. Has anybody out there had problems with this 429/460
aluminum bellhousing? I know SOMETHING is in a bind, because even with this
monster engine, something always seems to be bogging it down. Twice taking
off in second gear it has alligned correctly and skyrocketed from 2000rpm to
6000rpm and pulled the tires off the ground - scared the hell outta me. A
fellow Ford monster truck friend tells me I need to get a 351C Bellhousing
that is cast iron and will bolt right up (Despite L&L insisting it won't)
Says he's done that twice for people doing the inline 6 for a 429 and it will
work just fine. Any ideas? I fully beleave the bellhousing is either
flexing, or just doesn't quite line up right.
No - exclude the: rear-ends had to be rebuilt (new 9inch case and all), it's
got a new rear drive shaft (complements pinion bearing failure), new rear
springs (again, slinging the driveshaft out at 65), tires have been rebalenced
and rotated.
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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:58:33 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F-150

The bellhousing WON'T bolt up and it sounds like your input shaft bearing is
gone.



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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:19:04 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F-150

In a message dated 1/15/99 9:39:35 PM Pacific Standard Time,
JefriHansn aol.com writes:


flexing under load. >>

You said the vibration stopped when you depressed the clutch. Question, what
happens if you maintain engine speed with the clutch depressed? If the
vibration goes away after the engine slows down it would seem the problem is
isolated to the engine rotating components, such as flywheel, pressure plate.
Anyway can you perform a little more testing, for instance determine if the
vibration is load related not just RPM. As for a 351C bell housing it WILL
NOT BOLT to the 429/460, however, the 351M, and 400, except for some 1973
models will bolt up. The 351C bellhousing is the same as the Ford small block
(351W, 302, 289, etc, and some of those 1973 400s).
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:22:37 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F-150

In a message dated 1/15/99 10:00:06 PM Pacific Standard Time,
bbeyer pacifier.com writes:


is
gone. >>

I agree!
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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