61-79-list-digest Tuesday, April 6 1999 Volume 03 : Number 116



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - K-1 in diesel
FTE 61-79 - Re: Projection 4
FTE 61-79 - Re: Ford Carlisle Show Date
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Projection 4
FTE 61-79 - 302 flywheel indexing
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 - Rings
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 - Rings
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dan's Rebuild (Long Overdue)
FTE 61-79 - Tuning, Timing, Gapping ...
Re: FTE 61-79 - K1 in diesel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Saw this in the Seattle paper...
FTE 61-79 - C-4 0r C-6 to 292 / 312 Y- block ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 flywheel indexing
FTE 61-79 - 61 unibody tailgate
FTE 61-79 - Re: Spring spacer revisited
FTE 61-79 - RE: Number 2 Fuel Oil
Re: FTE 61-79 - 61 unibody tailgate
FTE 61-79 - 68 F 500
Re: FTE 61-79 - 61 unibody tailgate
FTE 61-79 - Shaking Truck
FTE 61-79 - Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast?
Re: FTE 61-79 - K1 in diesel
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast?
FTE 61-79 - SWMBO, don't pull so tight, dear.
Re: FTE 61-79 - SWMBO, don't pull so tight, dear.
FTE 61-79 - Rear End Clunk
[none]
FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 list - Spring spacer revisited
FTE 61-79 - rear end Gearing ration
FTE 61-79 - Master Cylinders and Lubricants
FTE 61-79 - Many Questions from a Newbie
FTE 61-79 - Oops, One more question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Master Cylinders and Lubricants
Re: FTE 61-79 - Oops, One more question
FTE 61-79 - 1973 F-100 project truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear End Clunk
Re: FTE 61-79 - rear end Gearing ration
Re: FTE 61-79 - Many Questions from a Newbie
FTE 61-79 - FE Club of America - FEAR starts with FE
Re: FTE 61-79 - Many Questions from a Newbie
FTE 61-79 - Thinking of you
Re: FTE 61-79 - Shaking Truck

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 07:09:10 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - K-1 in diesel

>Yes K1 can be used in a diesel engine. From what I have heard truckers
>will use a mix of 1/4 K1 to 3/4 diesel. The question is why? The answer
>is road use taxes. Truckers can reduce there fuel bill because K1 does
>not have road use taxes figured into the price so it is cheaper.
>Politicians in my home state of North Carolina realized they were loosing
>tax revenue due to this practice so recently a plan was devised to stop
>it. As of a few months ago all K1 sold in North Carolina must be dyed red
>indicating no road use tax is paid on it. If a trucker is stopped and has
>red in his tank he gets a big fine. Our government at work.
>

I was also under the impression the reason they ran it in colder climates is
the flashpoint is lower. This causes the diesel not to gel and it creates a
better and easier explosion in the engine when it's 10 below outside.

Diesel has also been dyed red for years to catch those who buy it for farm
use (minus taxes)and then drop a little in their Turbo Super Duty PSD or
semi-truck. The dye does not come out of your clothes either, don't ask me
how I know....... 8^)

Stu
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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 08:18:33 -0400
From: Steve Schaefer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Projection 4

> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 1999 10:20:27 -0700
> From: "Steven Salas"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pro-Jection 4 ?
>
> Is anyone on this list currently running a holley pro-jection4 unit? If any
> one has any experience with this system please give me some feedback I am
> contemplating buying a system, for my 390 F-250, from an acquaintance. Is
> $200 too much? Thanks All! Steve Salas
>

I am have been running the Projection 2bbl on my 400 for about 4 years now. I can
tell you it is well worth the money. On my set up it double my gas mileage. I
was getting 6-7 mpg out of the Holley 4bbl that I could not get tuned properly for
anything. I am currently getting 13-14 mpg. A buddy is running the Projection 4
on his 396 Ch$%* rollback. He said that his mileage only went up 1 mpg (about
10), but the manners of the truck improved dramatically.
BTW. My truck weight is about 7800 lbs empty, and the Ch$%* weighs about 6500
empty (but is rarely empty).
Steve
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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 08:24:39 -0400
From: Steve Schaefer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Ford Carlisle Show Date

> Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 06:37:35 -0500
> From: Joe Delaurentis
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Carlisle Show Date?/
>
> Does anybody know when the ALL FORD CARLISLE show is this year????
> And how about the ALL TRUCK one too???
>
> Anybody from the List making it to either of these shows and having
> a get together??????
> joe
>

I know this is a little behind (digest mode at work) but, the Carlisle all Ford show is June 4-6. I will be there with bells on and I will have two of my Fords there. I would love to meet some of the people from
the list. I will be debuting my 79 Pro Street T-Bird (sorry non FTE content) and my SWMBO will be driving the tow vehicle in. Take a look at my web sight to see both vehicle, and please let me know where you guys
would like to meet.
Steve
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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 08:13:03 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Projection 4

>I am have been running the Projection 2bbl on my 400 for about 4 years now.
>I can
>tell you it is well worth the money. On my set up it double my gas
mileage. I
>was getting 6-7 mpg out of the Holley 4bbl that I could not get tuned
>properly for
>anything. I am currently getting 13-14 mpg. A buddy is running the
>Projection 4
>on his 396 Ch$%* rollback. He said that his mileage only went up 1 mpg
(about
>10), but the manners of the truck improved dramatically.
>BTW. My truck weight is about 7800 lbs empty, and the Ch$%* weighs about 6500
>empty (but is rarely empty).

What part of the country are you in ? Here in IA my g.f.'s father had one
of those, he said it was just junk, and that every 10deg of temp drop he
would have to re calibrate it, then when it got down below 30, it was just
impossible to set right....

I was looking at this as an option for my truck, but then got to thinking,
does anyone know how hard it would be to use the SEFI off of a late model
mustang ? Since they make stroker 302's that go up to something like 380
ci, couldn't you just get a chip burned that told the motor it was a 394 or
400 or whatever displacement you have ? I know they also make
reprogrammable computers for those where you just plug in your laptop ...

Anyone have any thoughts on how easy/tough this would be to do ?


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:13:16 -0700
From: "Steve Schmeckpeper"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302 flywheel indexing

I have an engine vibration (truck not moving) that could be the flywheel.
When the clutch was overhauled the disc and pressure plate were purchased as
a balanced set, and this did not cure the problem. A previous thread, about
the 302 being externally balanced, got me thinkin' I probably didn't index
the flywheel on right.
Can anyone please tell me how to index the flywheel?

William Hart, Thanks for the vacuum tips! Did just as you said and got it
timed perfect. Except for the vibration, the engine is running GREAT 8^)
Smeck,
79 F100
FTE "Brain Trust"

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 08:17:06 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 - Rings

>chrom-moly rings from summit, and need to put them in next. I've heard ppl
>talk about gapping the rings, what does that mean and how do you do it?

Gapping the rings means putting them in the bore they will be in when you
install the piston, then using a feeler gauge to measure the gap at the end
of the ring. You don't want them to touch because as they heat up they
will expand and could potentially damage themselves or the piston or the
cylinder. Seems like the how to book for FE's recommends .004"/ inch of
bore, so if you've got a 4" bore you would gap it at .016" ...

To do it, put one of the rings in the bore it will go into, press a piston
in upside down after it so that the ring is square, then pull the piston
out, and use a feeler gauge to measure the distance between the ends, if
its wrong file off one end of the ring until it is right, just be sure to
file it off square. I lucked out with my 390, they all fell into spec.

Good luck

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 08:17:34 -0500
From: Don Yerhot
Subject: Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 - Rings

When you gap rings, you're basically setting up a small clearence where
the rings butt up, usually done on only the compression rings. Before
you put the rings on the pistons, slide them down in the bore about 2
inches. I usually push them in with a piston to ensure that they're
square to the bore. Then check the end gap with a feeler qauge, usually
it will be less than the recommended spec's of the piston mfg'r. If
they're to tight, pull the ring out and file by using a small, flat,
fine file between the gap. I believe that the KB's require a fairly
large gap on the top ring. If these gaps are too tight, either the rings
will break or the piston lands will get damaged when the engine heats
up. Hope this helps...Good luck on the new engine.

DonY
65 F250-351W-435NP
74 F100-360-8ft Stepside


.030
over, ground and polished the crank, and put the rods on my new kb
pistons
(i love to brag), and got new cam bearings and freeze plugs in, all for
$148. Now comes my part, putting it back togethor, i ordered a set of
chrom-moly rings from summit, and need to put them in next. I've heard
ppl
talk about gapping the rings, what does that mean and how do you do it?
The only rings ive been it was brigs & stratton, so...>

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 08:19:02 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dan's Rebuild (Long Overdue)

Question: What kind
>of mounting does the '67 up 4X4's use?

Well my 73/4 uses the standard tower mounting, one on either side like most
vehicles seem to use (at least the one's I work on anyway) ... I think a
peek at Stu's page will reveal that by 71 they were using the same style ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 08:43:39 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tuning, Timing, Gapping ...

It seems to me there have been lots of people (newbies especially, so I
don't hold this against anyone) who have asked for the "stock" timing, plug
gap, and points gap ... it also always seems that the answer is the same,
except for a few rare cases ... (6deg, about .017 or .018, and about 35)
But these mean nothing with an older worn engine with any unknowns.

Has any body put up a web-page about how to use the vaccuum gauge ? I'm
fairly new at that, as I'd never heard or seen it done before, but it seems
to be quite effective ... would anyone be interested in such a page if I
threw it together ?

Questions ?
Comments?
Threats ?
Promises ?


Thanks,
wish
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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 08:19:33 -0600
From: "Richard Currit"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - K1 in diesel

>>>>Just a thought... could heating oil or K1 be burned in a diesel
motor?
They are called oil burners by some people and I have heard of some
people
burning vegetable oil (like from restaurant fry vats) in a diesel.

Ok, I'm working off of very foggy memory banks here, but it is my =
understanding that diesel engines were originally designed to run on =
diesel (which was chosen and became more common because it was cheaper), =
corn oil and peanut oil. I remember my Dad, during a period of severe bad =
judgement, owned a VW Rabbit diesel. He always kept a quart of corn oil =
in the back in case he ran out of fuel. Anybody else ever remember =
hearing this?
High Plains Richard
'72 F-100



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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 07:50:34 -0700
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Saw this in the Seattle paper...

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Pacheco
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, April 02, 1999 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Saw this in the Seattle paper...


>yes, they live in Kirkland, where is trader online located?
>

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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 11:04:17 -0400
From: pdesanto cinergy.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C-4 0r C-6 to 292 / 312 Y- block ?

> >Will a C-6 Automatic Transmission, flex plate and bell housing bolt-up to
> my
> >Y-Block 292? How about a C-4, although I'd rather use a C-6, since it's
> an
> >F-250. It sounds too good to work, but I have to ask.
I'm not sure, but I think Art Carr Transmissions makes an adapter to
put the C-4 behind a Y-block. A properly modified C-4 will take anything a
292 can dish out, as well as being lighter and easier to obtain aftermarket
support for then the old reliable FMX. ( Converters, HD parts, gear
upgrades, Kits, etc. ) The C-4's bellhousing will not fit an FMX.
Hope this helps...........Phil
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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 08:19:47 -0800 (PST)
From: rositch SLAC.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 flywheel indexing

Smeck,
You can't index it wrong. Bolt spacing won't allow for that.

Good luck,
Don Rositch
'66 F250 NASCAR Shoptruck
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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 11:31:59 EDT
From: Rollie H Hunt
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 61 unibody tailgate

I have a friend that is working on a 61 unibody . He needs a tailgate for
it . If anyone has one or parts for this type of truck please contact me
at my e mail address : RHHunt juno.com . Thanks .

Rollie .

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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 11:48:20 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Spring spacer revisited

Hi Tim,

OK, I just picked up that 67 F-100 4x2, and lo and behold, there is a
COMPLETE set of Ford manuals with it. I'll look for the "exploded" view of
the front suspensions this evening. If I find it, I can either fax it to you
or scan it and e-mail it.....its up to you...

After writing this, I read where Stock Man has sent you something....do you
still need a different illustration???....

Let me know,

CJ
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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 08:36:02 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Number 2 Fuel Oil

>From 2 previous threads.

"From what I understand there are two types of deisel.
#1, and #2. One of them is used in colder climates during the winter.
One of them is the same as heating oil."

#1 is the higher grade of the two.
The diference between #2 diesel and heating oil is color.
Heating oil is red,which means no road tax has been paid on it.
Not sure what color #2 diesel is.
#1 is the higher grade of the two.
You can also run a diesel on Jet A (kerosene)

"Just a thought... could heating oil or K-1 be burned in a diesel
motor?"

What's K-1?

My reply.
I started this thread out of curiosity. I think K-1 is a type of kerosene.
My heating oil distributor sells is around here for heating systems that
have the tanks exposed to the elements (mobile homes mainly). From the
above discussion it sounds like K-1 is similar to #1 diesel.

As far as using Jet A (I assume you mean aviation jet fuel) this does not
suprise me. Ever take a good whif of the outside air at a jet port? Smells
like a fleet of trucks is running outside.

The whole reason for my asking is 'cause heating oil and even K-1 is cheaper
than road diesel by 20 or 30 cents (of course due to no road tax.) I'm sure
if caught with it in the tank there would be a stiff penalty, but who would
really be looking?

Tom H
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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 11:59:19 -0400
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 61 unibody tailgate

Good morning,
This was in Hemmings Motor News along with a bunch of other parts.
'61-'62 F-100 rust-free Styleside unibody tailgate, $390; Visa or Mastercard welcome; shipping extra; SASE for prompt reply, otherwise no reply; no refunds after 15 days; been selling via HMN for 31 years, no gypo games played here; satisfaction assured or money refunded, no over- the- counter sales. Glenn Marion, 3616 S Sweeney Rd, Grain Valley, MO 64029, PH 816-224-5296, FAX; 816-224-5297; web site; http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.glennmarionparts.com ; or
e-mail; j74p aol.com
I see an ad from this guy every month. If he wasn't on the up & up he wouldn't be advertising in Hemmings.

I hope this helps,
Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH

Rollie H Hunt wrote:

> I have a friend that is working on a 61 unibody . He needs a tailgate for
> it . If anyone has one or parts for this type of truck please contact me
> at my e mail address : RHHunt juno.com . Thanks .
>
> Rollie .
>
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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 09:05:09 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 68 F 500

Does anyone in california need a 68 F500? There is one for sale in town
but all I want is a few parts off of it. It has a 490( I looked for
some specs on this engine but came up short) 5 speed I think, two speed
rear and utility body with a boom. Anyways what family is the 490 in?

Laters
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99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 09:07:02 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 61 unibody tailgate

Thanks for your message at 11:31 AM 4/5/99 EDT, Rollie H Hunt. Your message
was:
>I have a friend that is working on a 61 unibody . He needs a tailgate for
>it . If anyone has one or parts for this type of truck please contact me
>at my e mail address : RHHunt juno.com . Thanks .

And if your friend gets one before I do, I will be steamed! I have been
looking for a decent tailgate for literally years. Every lead I get
responds with something like "Ha Ha. Very rare and very expensive..."


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 16:40:48 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Shaking Truck

What ever happened to the guy that had his truck "shake violently" when he
really gassed it? Just curious what it was. Did it shake while parked in
neutral and the engine revved up?

CJ
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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 13:59:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast?

This problem started as an occasional misfire. Now the motor
completely dies after driving a few miles. If I let it sit
for a minute, it will start again and run fine for a while.

A while ago, I was repairing burned wires in the main wiring
harness. I found the coil ballast resistor wire was broken.
I tried to reconnect the two halves, but solder would not
stick to this wire. I resorted to using a crimp connector
which I am thinking may be my problem.

I measure 6V on the coil with the ignition on and motor not
running. With the motor running it is 10V. When the motor
stumbles I see this voltage drop. I don't know how to
distinguish whether the voltage drops because the motor is
stumbling, or the motor is stumbling because the voltage is
dropping.

Anyone have any suggestions on how I can verify where the
problem is, or how to make a good connection on the broken
resistor wire? How did the people who used resistance wire
to shunt their ammeters make the connections?

One thought I have is to wire 12V directly to the coil and
see if the problem goes away. I would have to drive it for
a while to make sure the problem is gone. Would this be
very harmful to the ignition components?

Mark in Southwest Washington
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'74 F-250 Supercab (the one with the problem)

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 16:16:05 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast?

>This problem started as an occasional misfire. Now the motor
>completely dies after driving a few miles. If I let it sit
>for a minute, it will start again and run fine for a while.
>

I know you mentioned electrical work being done in the original post, but
have you checked the coil to be sure its not overheating ? sometimes its
the simple stuff ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 6 Apr 1999 00:23:10 +0200
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - K1 in diesel

Do you use K1 on your 351C ?????

And what is K1,,, ??? Has it anything to do with Kerosene ?


Bill

- ----------
> From: pickup65 juno.com
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - K1 in diesel
> Date: 3. april 1999 18:56
>
> >>>>Just a thought... could heating oil or K1 be burned in a diesel
> motor?
> They are called oil burners by some people and I have heard of some
> people
> burning vegetable oil (like from restaurant fry vats) in a diesel.
>
> Yes K1 can be used in a diesel engine. From what I have heard truckers
> will use a mix of 1/4 K1 to 3/4 diesel. The question is why? The answer
> is road use taxes. Truckers can reduce there fuel bill because K1 does
> not have road use taxes figured into the price so it is cheaper.
> Politicians in my home state of North Carolina realized they were loosing
> tax revenue due to this practice so recently a plan was devised to stop
> it. As of a few months ago all K1 sold in North Carolina must be dyed red
> indicating no road use tax is paid on it. If a trucker is stopped and has
> red in his tank he gets a big fine. Our government at work.
>
> FTE Content: I finely got the 351C running that I put in my 1965 F100.
> Runs great and sounds good with those turbo mufflers. I hope to drive it
> to Pigeon Forge this year.
>
>
> Jon E. Purut
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~jcpurut
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.xoom.com/Chelley
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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 16:08:59 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electrical Problem - Coil Ballast?

Thanks for your message at 01:59 PM 4/5/99 -0700, draco pacifier.com. Your
message was:
>This problem started as an occasional misfire. Now the motor
>completely dies after driving a few miles. If I let it sit
>for a minute, it will start again and run fine for a while.

Do you have points & condenser still? This sounds exactly like what
happened to me in a Torino I used to have. Ended up replacing the
condenser, thanks to Terry, a mechanic friend (may he RIP).

Good luck. Electrical problems can be so much fun...




Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 18:12:09 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - SWMBO, don't pull so tight, dear.

> I have noticed that no matter how often a newbie asks what a SWMBO is or
> what SWMBO stands for, y'all will not respond. Perhaps if a person does
> not already know what SWMBO stands for, then telling him won't help. Or
> maybe it is a private joke among the oldtimers. That is just the old
> people are. ;). My SWMBO and I think this is unfair. Please tell me so
> that I can explain it to my SWMBO.

We only grudginly respond because our SWMBO's don't like being
refererred to as that (damn, this dog collar scratches) you know,
dominating or anything like that...
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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 16:16:38 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - SWMBO, don't pull so tight, dear.

Thanks for your message at 06:12 PM 4/5/99 -0500, William L. Ballinger.
Your message was:
>> I have noticed that no matter how often a newbie asks what a SWMBO is or
>> what SWMBO stands for, y'all will not respond. Perhaps if a person does
>> not already know what SWMBO stands for, then telling him won't help. Or
>> maybe it is a private joke among the oldtimers. That is just the old
>> people are. ;). My SWMBO and I think this is unfair. Please tell me so
>> that I can explain it to my SWMBO.

Maybe "old people" would just be with an XYL (although I am not...YL all
the way...).


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 19:16:00 -0500
From: William A Whited
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear End Clunk

I'm having a problem with my rear end on my 77
Flairside 302 AT, when I put in Reverse and only
reverse I hear a chunk in the reared. What can it be?
TIA

- --
William A Whited
74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302
79 F100 EXPLORER SUPERCAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK)
"IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI"


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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 19:16:09 -0500 (CDT)
From: cdedear clearsail.net
Subject: [none]

Hey Ya'll
How can I find out what gearing my rearend has in it? My truck is a
'74 F100 XLT 2wd Ranger 390 C4 (3spd auto). I run 3,000rpm 70mph and 2,000rpm 55mph. Any Info would be appreciated. Thanks alot.....

"The Green Iguana"
74 F100 Ranger XLT
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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:28:35 -0700
From: "Jacques and Barbara DeKalb"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 list - Spring spacer revisited

Last week I posted a question about a spacer
tab that apparently goes between the lower
coil spring mount and the I-beam-radius arm
junction on my '67 2wd F-100. I can't recall
which side (LH or RH) it came off of. Since no
one responded, I guess none of you knows
the answer or it may be that my description of
the problem wasn't adequate. That's ok. In
lieu of an answer, perhaps someone knows
where I can acquire an exploded view of this
area of the suspension? I looked in the
relavent parts of a catalog at NAPA but none
of the pictures broke it down that far. If some-
one out there in FTE land has a shop or parts
manual with the illustration I need I'd like to
hear from you. I'm stuck until I can resolve
this mystery. TIA!

Tim in Anchorage"

Tim, There is a thick washer at the bottom of the spring that is about the
diameter of the outside of the spring and supports it. Is that what you are
referring to? These get worn out and rust away, but should be readily
available at the wrecking yard. They are the same from side to side.
Jacques,
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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 17:40:02 -0700
From: "Josh Assing"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - rear end Gearing ration

> How can I find out what gearing my rearend has in it? My truck is a
> '74 F100 XLT 2wd Ranger 390 C4 (3spd auto). I run 3,000rpm 70mph and
> 2,000rpm 55mph. Any Info would be appreciated. Thanks alot.....
You can jack it up; make a chaulk mark on the drive shaft, and turn
the wheels; or do it and drive slowly forward, while a friend counts
the # of times he / she sees the chaulk mark.

Interestingly, I recently called Ford asking about what my truck
originally came with (more than just vin decoding) about a week
later, i got a letter from them, including the rear end gearing,
among the other options that hte truck originally came with.

- -josh
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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 17:43:35 -0700
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Master Cylinders and Lubricants

>Disc/drum master cylinders usually have one reservoir larger than the other
>where a drum/drum MC should have equal size reservoirs. This makes it
>reletively easy to visually distinguish a disc/drum from a drum/drum master
>cylinder. Side note: a disc/disc mc will have equal sized reservoirs, but
>they will be much larger than a drum/drum mc. If the two mcs you are
>looking at swapping appear identical but are off of different systems, my
>guess would be that someone has already done a cross platform swap so to
>speak and the mc on the disc/drum truck doesn't belong.
>jlagrone ford-trucks.com

You are correct :) I am begining to realize that the previous owner, who
sold me a 73 F250, on the registration anyway, actually sold me a 73 frame
and running gear with a newer cab. The MC on my truck now is actually for a
disc/drum system. It has a larger resevoir for the front brakes and a
smaller one for the rear.
On that note does anyone know a way to tell what year cab is on my truck.
I kinda think it is a 76 by the fuse box layout. I compared it to a picture
of a 76 box in my Haynes Manual and it looks the same. It isnt a problem
what year it is, I am just curious.


> I've used 80/90w gear lube for 105k miles in my NP205 without problem. I'd
> use 50w only for very cold climates. Auto Trans fluid is for the chain
> driven T-cases and is not to be used in a gear drive T-case.

>I've used EP too in gearboxes, for years. But when I switched to the
>Mobiltrans SHC50 I found out how smooth an NP435 can be. It performs in
>10 degree weather just like it's 90 degrees out.

Regarding the thread about tranny/transfer case/ diff lube. The manual I
have recommends SAE 140W gear oil (Ford no. ESP-M2C83-C) for the 4 speed
manual tranny (unsyncronized granny low/reverse) and NP205(?)transfer case.
And SAE90W gear oil (Ford no. ESW-M2C105-A) for the diffs.
Since I tend to follow manual recommendations closely when it comes to
lubes for expensive parts that is what I put in when I got the truck last
year. It is always hard to shift when it is cold, and I can never downshift
into 2nd gear until I am almost at a standstill even when the oil is warm.
If I change to the suggested 50W oil would it solve these annoyances
without damaging anything? It seems like a big drop from 140wt to 50wt or
even to 80/90wt, but from what I am reading here it has been done without
problems. Is the Haynes Manual I have out to lunch? Thanks.

Sparky
73ish F250 4x4
390FE 2v
with molasses for gear lube :)

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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:25:04 EDT
From: Scarabeyes aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Many Questions from a Newbie

Hello Everyone!
I have been following this list for about two months, just seeing what all
goes on, so on and so forth, and I am glad there are lists like this, very
helpful, nice people.

OK Here are my questions, been saving them for two months, and some of them
might be a bit useless, but, I am a newbie, so, please bear-with me until I
learn.

First of all, my truck. I am the proud owner of a 65 F100 SWB, with a three
on the tree, 240 6Cyl, fairly straight Cab, and a motor that has a slight
Knock...we'll get back to that later. well, it's not a knock, it is a rod, I
think, but..later.

First off, the points and distributor and overall ignition on the truck is
shot, Any Upgrades? I know I can get stock from Napa or where ever, but are
there any kits to upgrade from points electronic ignition? maybe even HEI?
(Brother in-law suggested that, just for the hell of it)

Second, my Carburetor is also shot, and I figure, being the teenage guy I am,
is there any after market, or stock FoMoCo intake manifolds that can handle a
larger two barrel? If so... Who? where? Etc..

Third: I need a new bed! It is thrashed! sagging, bashed on both sides,
beyond repair. Called all the auto wreckers in Oregon and southern
Washington, no luck. Looked through Hemmings..no luck,
Is there any after market beds? anyone that supplies straight beds? Catalogs
that I should get? dependable, fair, parts dealers?

I am thinking of later on this summer of ripping the 6 out for an 8. Any
suggestions for putting in a 289/302/351/390?
Bad Idea? Tips? Tricks?

Okay, I don't want to outstay my first welcome.

Hope to hear from ya.
Thanks in advance

David
**1965 F100 SWB 6cyl 3 on the tree
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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 21:29:37 EDT
From: Scarabeyes aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oops, One more question

What about brake upgrades? I know I want to keep my drums, but what about a
power-booster? What are my options? anything that I can just bolt in?

Thanks in advance

David
**1965 F100 SWB 6Cyl 3 on the tree
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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 18:35:13 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Master Cylinders and Lubricants

sparky mail.island.net wrote:

> >Disc/drum master cylinders usually have one reservoir larger than the other
>
> You are correct :) I am begining to realize that the previous owner, who
> sold me a 73 F250, on the registration anyway, actually sold me a 73 frame
> and running gear with a newer cab. The MC on my truck now is actually for a
> disc/drum system. It has a larger resevoir for the front brakes and a
> smaller one for the rear.
> On that note does anyone know a way to tell what year cab is on my truck.
> I kinda think it is a 76 by the fuse box layout. I compared it to a picture
> of a 76 box in my Haynes Manual and it looks the same. It isnt a problem
> what year it is, I am just curious.
>
> Sparky
> 73ish F250 4x4

You can look for date stamping on the sheet metal of the cab. they could be
anywhere. There might also be a buck tag on the firewall of the engine
compartment that will have all kinds of build informaiton.

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 18:39:43 -0700
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Oops, One more question

Scarabeyes aol.com wrote:

> What about brake upgrades? I know I want to keep my drums, but what about a
> power-booster? What are my options? anything that I can just bolt in?
>
> Thanks in advance
>
> David
> **1965 F100 SWB 6Cyl 3 on the tree

Yep, you can even use the factory booster. The easiest years would be 65-72
and then 73-79. All use the same mounting system to the firewall and the only
thing you will need to adjust is the push rod length between the peddle are
and the booster and the booster to the master cylinder.

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 10:10:28 -0400
From: Rick and Deborah Kelso
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1973 F-100 project truck

I have a 1973 F-100 truck that I have lost interest in. It was of show-quality
before being hit in the left bed-side. I repaired it and drove it for about 6-8
months before i decided to do a frame-off resto. It is partially disassembled and I
have reciepts for over $1000.00 in new trim, chrome, etc., etc. I wish to sell this
truck, without engine and trans, of course (Just can't bare to part with my 460!)
It also has a brand new interior (black). I will take $1000.00 for it. I am located
in Knoxville, Tn.(about 45 minutes from Pigeon Forge) If anyone would like more
details, contact me directly at rkelso usit.net. Thanks.

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 19:14:10 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear End Clunk

Thanks for your message at 07:16 PM 4/5/99 -0500, William A Whited. Your
message was:

... a chunk in the reared. What can it be?

uh?


No vibration or noises when you are shifting?

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 19:16:11 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - rear end Gearing ration

Thanks for your message at 05:40 PM 4/5/99 -0700, Josh Assing. Your message
was:
>Interestingly, I recently called Ford asking about what my truck
>originally came with (more than just vin decoding)

I'm confused. How did they identify the truck if they didn't use the vin?
Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 19:22:22 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Many Questions from a Newbie

Thanks for your message at 09:25 PM 4/5/99 EDT, Scarabeyes aol.com. Your
message was:
> >Third: I need a new bed! It is thrashed! sagging, bashed on both sides,
>beyond repair. Called all the auto wreckers in Oregon and southern
>Washington, no luck. Looked through Hemmings..no luck,
>Is there any after market beds? anyone that supplies straight beds? Catalogs
>that I should get? dependable, fair, parts dealers?
>
>I am thinking of later on this summer of ripping the 6 out for an 8. Any
>suggestions for putting in a 289/302/351/390?
>Bad Idea? Tips? Tricks?

Where you located, David. I might be able to locate a bed in this area...


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Mon, 05 Apr 1999 21:30:44 -0500
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Club of America - FEAR starts with FE

I just got my bi-monthly newsletter (first one) as an official member of
the FE Club of America.
All information for joining is there. It is a pretty neat bi-monthly pub
even if it is somewhat simple.
Not the quality of Super Ford, but nevertheless it is dedicated to FE's.
There about 200 members and growing so if anyone is interested there you
go. Join up.

Thought some might be interested in this.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wingnet.net/~feca/

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 23:06:15 EDT
From: Scarabeyes aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Many Questions from a Newbie

Newberg, Oregon. It is near Portland. Any help at all would be MUCH
appreciated.

David

**1965 F100 SWB 6Cyl 3 on the tree
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Date: Mon, 5 Apr 1999 22:31:00 -0700
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Thinking of you

I will only post this once, and please if you have a need contact me
directly, and not on the list.
I found a gold mine of parts last weekend!
My favorite engine shop is moving and they must divest themselves of most of
their inventory of cores. When the shop owner told me that he was selling
off these parts I just thought of the lists and asked if he would let me
post the parts here first.
Here is the list, I am currently the only person that has been authorized to
offer these parts.

Bare Head Castings:
1 PR.GT 390 $75 EA.
6 PR. Large Valve 390/428 $50 EA.
2 PR. 2BBL. Cleveland.$75 EA.
1 PR. 289 Hi Pro $250 PR.
8 EA. Misc. Windsor Heads. $50 EA

1 EA. 390 Crank $100
2 EA. 390 Blocks $50
1 EA. 351 Cleveland Block $50
Spun main bearing Repairable.
2 EA. 351/400 Modified Blocks $25 EA.
1 EA. 1970 351 W Block (line honed) $200
1 PR. 390 Truck Exhaust Manifolds $125 EA.
2 EA. 429 Crankshafts $50. EA,
1 SET. BOSS 429 NASCAR Connecting Rods $400 SET.
There is also things like Valve covers Oil Pans, etc.

All Parts located in Portland, Oregon.
Cost of shipping (if any)is additional.
For the record these are the prices that the shop owner gave me and I make
not a red cent should you decide to purchase anything. All I am going to do....


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