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61-79-list-digest Saturday, April 3 1999 Volume 03 : Number 113 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 61-79 - Newbie Tim's page FTE 61-79 - np205 trans fluid or ? Re: FTE 61-79 - Non-blinking turn signal amber lights.... RE: FTE 61-79 - np205/auto trans fluid or ? Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights FTE 61-79 - electrical woes! FTE 61-79 - Dan's Rebuild (long overdue) FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge F100 Supernationals FTE 61-79 - archive searching. FTE 61-79 - RE: Gas prices FTE 61-79 - Engine blueprinting techniqes FTE 61-79 - RE: Non-blinking turn signal amber lights.... Re: FTE 61-79 - electrical woes! Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Gas prices Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Gas prices Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights Re: FTE 61-79 - np205 trans fluid or ? FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 Carlisle shows FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 My web site & projects FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 SWMBO/Project time management FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 SWMBO/Project time management FTE 61-79 - Help Please: Auto Trans to 292 Y-block FTE 61-79 - Re: Gas prices Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 My web site & projects Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine blueprinting techniqes Re: FTE 61-79 - np205 trans fluid or ? Re: FTE 61-79 - archive searching. Re: FTE 61-79 - Dan's Rebuild (long overdue) Re: FTE 61-79 - np205 trans fluid or ? Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 to 400m rebuild Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 SWMBO/Project time management FTE 61-79 - FE Fuel injection article FTE 61-79 - Saw this in the Seattle paper... FTE 61-79 - 2wd Power steering Box what years??? Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 Carlisle shows Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 to 400m rebuild Re: FTE 61-79 - Saw this in the Seattle paper... Re: FTE 61-79 - Saw this in the Seattle paper... Re: FTE 61-79 - Saw this in the Seattle paper... Re: FTE 61-79 - Saw this in the Seattle paper... FTE 61-79 - Van interiors FTE 61-79 - Carb Questions ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 07:33:34 -0500 From: Rob Long Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Newbie Tim's page Tim... I didn't catch your web page.... what's the address? Rob == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 06:35:22 -0600 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - np205 trans fluid or ? > Dear Ford Truck Fans, > I have a 78 4x4. Does my tranfer case take Auto trans fluid or 140W/gear > lube? I am confused. FIG Doesn't the owner's manual recommend SAE 50 Engine oil? If it does I highly recommend Mobiltrans SHC50. I put it in the NP435 and Dana 24 in my '65 and have seen a big difference in performance especially in weather below 45 degrees. It's made for Eaton and Roadranger transmissions in over the road trucks, but it sure did well in mine too. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:17:36 -0500 From: David Wadson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Non-blinking turn signal amber lights.... >>The amber lights just above the headlights blink just fine when the >>lights are not on. >> >>When I turn the lights on at night, they do not blink with turn >>signal. They just stay solidy lit. > >Sounds like a grounding problem. Someone mentioned the wire between the >headlights and the radiator support not being clean ... might check and >clean all the connections as a start ... I agree - when I put the front end of my truck back together my biggest problem with the electrical was not getting good grounding in the sockets. Use a wire brush, preferably on a drill or a Dremel and really get a good clean surface on the metal contacts inside the socket. A little bit of dielectric grease on them before you put the bulb in also helped. David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca "PS2" - 78 F100/302/C4 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 08:19:06 -0500 From: TracyJones cinergy.com Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - np205/auto trans fluid or ? > ---------- > From: cannandale netpointe.com[SMTP:cannandale netpointe.com] > Sent: Friday, April 02, 1999 7:52 AM > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - np205/auto trans fluid or ? > > it takes 90w/gear oil.. > > cannandale > I've used 80/90w gear lube for 105k miles in my NP205 without problem. I'd use 50w only for very cold climates. Auto Trans fluid is for the chain driven T-cases and is not to be used in a gear drive T-case. Tracy '79 F250 429 C6 NP205 > At 06:10 PM 4/1/99 -0500, you wrote: > > > >Dear Ford Truck Fans, > > I have a 78 4x4. Does my tranfer case take Auto trans fluid or > 140W/gear > >lube? I am confused. FIG > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:50:34 -0500 From: j arnold Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights I'm looking for different type of fuse block. I >> prefer blade type fuses. >> >> Stoney > >They do make an inline fuse that uses the blades. One has a sealing lid on it >to resist agains water and weather. >Don Grossman >duckdon pacific.net > >99 Contour SE Sport >63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings. > Don, Where did you find these fuse holders? Thanks Stoney == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:04:17 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights At 07:50 AM 4/2/99 , you wrote: > I'm looking for different type of fuse block. I >>> prefer blade type fuses. >>> >>They do make an inline fuse that uses the blades. One has a sealing lid >on it >>to resist agains water and weather. >Where did you find these fuse holders? Thanks > I've seen them down at the local autoparts store ... might have to call around a bit first, but I know the one just down the block had them when I worked there ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:47:29 -0700 From: Bret Godfrey Subject: FTE 61-79 - electrical woes! Hi, I am still having problems with the electrical system on my 77'f-250 4x4 xlt. My big question is where am I supposed to get power for my coil? I have already connected the resistance wire from under the dash for power when the engine is running, but what about full power when starting the engine? I would deeply appreciate any info on this I can get. Thank you == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:36:48 EST From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dan's Rebuild (long overdue) Hey Dan, Sounds like fun! Just one thing caught my eye, but I'm pretty sure you are OK. The FE's had the motor mounts changed sometime in the early-mid 60's, I think after 63. What I'm getting at is that I hope the motor mounts from the 61 (two-bolt, I'm pretty sure) will bolt right into the 63 truck. I remember having this happen once, building an old 390 and when I went to put it in, the mounts didn't work in my 69'! I had to fabricate some brackets, which was no big deal and they worked for several years, but I just usually check this out now with a new block..... Good Luck! CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 09:40:22 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Pigeon Forge F100 Supernationals Ford Truck Enthusiasts has reserved a block of 40 rooms at Days Inn Pigeon Forge for the F100 Supernationals, May 13 - 16. The rates for the rooms are: $34.00 + tax Sunday through Thursday $68.00 + tax Friday through Saturday This is a group rate, so be sure to mention Ford Truck Enthusiasts when reserving your room. Rooms are first come, first served, of course, and the last day to reserve at the group rate is April 15. To make your reservation, call: 1-800-645-3079 We've also reserved tables for at least 40 people at Alan Jackson's Show Car Cafe on Saturday at 9:00 AM for breakfast. Total cost for the Breakfast Buffet is $8.00 per person. This price includes tax and gratuity. To reserve your spot, email Don Neighbors at: grover ford-trucks.com by April 25 so we can give the folks at Alan Jackson's a head count. Ken Payne Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 09:51:04 -0500 From: James Oxley Subject: FTE 61-79 - archive searching. Hey all I need some help searching the achives. Many times, I see questions about stuff (on say the Big Bronco list) that I have saved a hard copy of, but have deleated the E-mail. Take for instance an M-block post from Dave. Subject: Re: TFE 61-79-400M or 351 Clevor? Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:17:12-0700 From: Dave R....... Is there some way I can sarch on that exact date/time? I know I can search on Dave's name and get all his posts, but it would be much easier to be able to search for that exact post. I also thought of making a list of all of dave's posts about M-blocks. There isn't much he hasn't discussed and I have the date/time stamp from all of them. Thanks OX == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:58:22 -0800 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Gas prices Just a thought... could heating oil or K-1 be burned in a diesel motor? They are called oil burners by some people and I have heard of some people burning vegetable oil (like from resturant fry vats) in a diesel. Tom H == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:58:19 -0800 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine blueprinting techniqes Earlier someone was describing using clay to check for valve to piston interference. I know the engine must be assembled and then disassembled to check this. My question is what do you do with the head gasket. I thought the head gasket was a "crush once" kind of thing and could not be reused once it had been clamped between a head and block. Do you mock the engine up with out a gasket and then add the advertised compressed thickness to the measurment? Do you buy extra gaskets to use for the mockup? Thanks Tom H. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 07:58:17 -0800 From: "Hogan, Tom" Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Non-blinking turn signal amber lights.... Martin Miller wrote: The amber lights just above the headlights blink just fine when the lights are not on. When I turn the lights on at night, they do not blink with turn signal. They just stay solidy lit. Any way to fix this? - ------------- My reply: I had a similar problem. Turns out the lens on my turn signal was broken when I bought the truck and let rain in the socket. The socket ground connection corroded and allowed the ground connection to the bulb to float. I required a new socket. If I were you I would check the ground connection of the wiring harness for the headlamp/turnsignals. It grounds behind the grille on each side. Make sure they are clean. Also check all connections for corrosion. If the sockets are bad they will need to be replaced. get a new socket or a replacement harness. If you install a new socket solder the joint and use heat shrink tubing to insulate the joint. Good luck. Tom H. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:07:07 -0800 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - electrical woes! Bret Godfrey wrote: > Hi, I am still having problems with the electrical system on my 77'f-250 > 4x4 xlt. My big question is where am I supposed to get power for my > coil? I have already connected the resistance wire from under the dash > for power when the engine is running, but what about full power when > starting the engine? I would deeply appreciate any info on this I can > get. Thank you > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html 12V source you need can be taken from either the Ignition side of the ignition relay or from the start position at the key switch. The factoy use the ignition relay. - -- Don Grossman duckdon pacific.net 99 Contour SE Sport 63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:12:24 -0800 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights William S Hart wrote: > At 07:50 AM 4/2/99 , you wrote: > > I'm looking for different type of fuse block. I > >>> prefer blade type fuses. > >>> > >>They do make an inline fuse that uses the blades. One has a sealing lid > >on it > >>to resist agains water and weather. > > >Where did you find these fuse holders? Thanks > > > > I've seen them down at the local autoparts store ... might have to call > around a bit first, but I know the one just down the block had them when I > worked there ... There or a large chain of electronic stores R.S. ring a bell. At the local parts store they had one on the counter, really fancy but they wanted like $6 for it. - -- Don Grossman duckdon pacific.net 99 Contour SE Sport 63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:15:14 -0800 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Gas prices "Hogan, Tom" wrote: > Just a thought... could heating oil or K-1 be burned in a diesel motor? > They are called oil burners by some people and I have heard of some people > burning vegetable oil (like from resturant fry vats) in a diesel. > > Tom H I've heard people use ATF when using a new pump and it runs really well on that. If that is true or not I don't know. $.02 - -- Don Grossman duckdon pacific.net 99 Contour SE Sport 63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 09:03:29 -0800 From: "sam weatherby" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Gas prices > Just a thought... could heating oil or K-1 be burned in a diesel motor? > They are called oil burners by some people and I have heard of some people > burning vegetable oil (like from resturant fry vats) in a diesel. >From what I understand there are two types of deisel. #1, and #2. One of them is used in colder climates during the winter. One of them is the same as heating oil. -srw Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com '70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang '93 F-150 XLT Lightning '65 F100 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 09:10:04 -0800 From: "Terry Pendergrass" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights - -- On Fri, 02 Apr 1999 08:50:34 j arnold wrote: > I'm looking for different type of fuse block. I >>> prefer blade type fuses. >>> >>> Stoney >> >>They do make an inline fuse that uses the blades. One has a sealing lid >on it >>to resist agains water and weather. > >Don Grossman >>duckdon pacific.net >> >>99 Contour SE Sport >>63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings. >> >Don, > >Where did you find these fuse holders? Thanks I think that I've seen them at Radio Shack too. > >Stoney > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > Free web-based email, anytime, anywhere! ZDNet Mail - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.zdnetmail.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:15:10 -0500 From: Tony Marino Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - np205 trans fluid or ? >Doesn't the owner's manual recommend SAE 50 Engine oil? If it does I >highly recommend Mobiltrans SHC50. I put it in the NP435 and Dana 24 in >my '65 and have seen a big difference in performance especially in >weather below 45 degrees. It's made for Eaton and Roadranger >transmissions in over the road trucks, but it sure did well in mine >too. Yes it does-- As you are well aware we went through this thread a while back and established pretty much that SAE-50 is what FORD recommends, but that 80wt really doesn't hurt it. I agree, you can get away with 80wt in warm/tropical conditions, but if anybody out there has tried to drive that soupy molassas in 10 degree weather, SWITCH!!! It's a PROFOUND difference! 8-) Tony tony pscico.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:46:45 -0500 From: "Tim Green" Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 Carlisle shows Below is the whole '99 Carlisle schedule, clipped right from their web page at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.carpro.com/ There's about a 98% chance I'll be at Spring, Ford, Truck, Summer, and Fall. Last year I hit all 8, and it's 560 mile one way!! I graduated high school in Carlisle & my family is still there. Mom's within walking distance of the Fair Grounds. The Carlisle truck show has gotten so big there isn't even any on-grounds parking (just like the big Spring & Fall shows). There's everything from pickups to big-rigs, and a big swap area. I'd say it's their biggest event other than Spring & Fall, which of course are 82 acres of cars and parts for sale, with little or no "show" to it. Don't know 'bout get-togethers, but I'll be watching the posts here. Maybe I can even get my Zonker to the Ford and/or truck show. That ought to be cute at 10-12 mpg (I'm guessing). Tim 66 F-100 428 P.I. 55 Mainline 289 87 Mustang 81 Mustang 87 F150 www.ctel.net/~oldfords 1999 Carlisle Calendar AUTOMOTIVE: Spring Carlisle April 22-25 Carlisle Import-Kit/Replicar Nationals May 14-16 Custom Compact Power Jam May 14-16 Carlisle All-Ford Nationals June 4-6 Carlisle All-Truck Nationals June 25-27 Chryslers at Carlisle July 9-11 Summer Carlisle July 30-August 1 Corvettes at Carlisle August 27-29 Fall Carlisle September 30-October 3 >Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 06:37:35 -0500 >From: Joe Delaurentis >Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Carlisle Show Date?/ > >Does anybody know when the ALL FORD CARLISLE show is this year???? >And how about the ALL TRUCK one too??? > >Anybody from the List making it to either of these shows and having >a get together?????? >joe - ------------------------------ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 12:56:10 -0500 From: "Tim Green" Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 My web site & projects I've had only one other report of trouble with pics loading. They always load when I dial it up. I used to sometimes have trouble with SOME .jpgs but not others, and I switched viewers to a shareware one called ACDSee & it works on 99% of 'em. I figgered it was 'cuz some were made with different photo edit programs, and that could be why your system likes some of mine & not others 'cuz mine are saved from 2 or 3 different programs after brightness & contrast adjustment of the original scans. I'll try & keep up with the progress on the projects. Shouldn't be too ruff considering the slow rate of progress! Maybe finishing one before starting another would be a novel idea. Tim 66 F-100 428 P.I. 55 Mainline 289 87 Mustang 81 Mustang 87 F150 www.ctel.net/~oldfords >Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:33:41 -0600 >From: William S Hart >Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Newbie > >Wow, sounds like you've got some great projects lined up. Love the 428 in >the 66 too :) >Good page too, lots of interesting car show pics ...the ones I could get to >load anyway (anyone else have trouble with the first 6 or so pics not >loading ?) > >Keep us updated on the projects too ... == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:09:06 -0500 From: "Tim Green" Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 SWMBO/Project time management That reminds me of a question I have. I know WHO SWMBO is, but what exactly do the letters stand for? Yes, I checked the FAQ first! The first step to building a Ford stable is to get rid of SWMBO. Mine left 4 yrs ago & I got back into cars & trucks almost immediately. Rebuilt a Holley 600 right in the living room. Only problem was the Dremel tool dust went into the couch upholstery & I could smell it for a year & a half!! As for progress, not having SWMBO sorta hurts that 'cuz of having to do everything myself (cooking, laundry, cleaning...nah forget that one). Worth the tradeoff. I'm pretty slow getting stuff done, but stay tuned to the web site. The Zonker is my priority right now 'cuz it's closer to roadable than the 55, by far. Brake lines next then the Powertrax. I have good reports on the locker from an Email penpal out in Costa Mesa Calif who knows a lot of desert racers, all of whom favor the twin I beam Ford setup, even grafting them onto other brands. They like the other Powertrax locker, the Lock Right. The Performance one is more for muscle car type stuff. Don't know the exact differences. Tim 66 F-100 428 P.I. 55 Mainline 289 87 Mustang 81 Mustang 87 F150 www.ctel.net/~oldfords >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:47:48 -0500 >From: "Timothy R. Anderson" >Subject: FTE 61-79 - Newbie Tim's page >Tim, >I enjoyed your web page. You are indeed >a true blue Ford guy. The "Zonker" looks >like it has alot of promise. Let me know how >the Powertrax unit works... I'm thinking about >putting one in my '67. But now, how do you >find the time to indulge yourself in the vast >array of projects you have? I need your >secrects so that I can convince SWMBO to >let me start my own Ford stable. Yeah, >that would be great! > >Tim in Anchorage >'67 F-100 (Lunar Green and growing!) - ------------------------------ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 10:23:51 -0800 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE 61-79 SWMBO/Project time management She Who Must Be Obeyed. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" - -----Original Message----- From: Tim Green To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Date: Friday, April 02, 1999 10:10 AM Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 SWMBO/Project time management >That reminds me of a question I have. I know WHO SWMBO is, but what exactly >do the letters stand for? Yes, I checked the FAQ first! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 11:01:35 -0800 From: "Brzezinski, Jeff" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Help Please: Auto Trans to 292 Y-block I've had my '63 F-250 for a month now, and I have a pretty clear picture of how extensive the rebuild/restore is going to be. All the catalogs I ordered have arrived, and I'm thrilled to find I can get even rubber and trim parts. The two annoying areas are the Loose, Hard Steering and the ornery Manual Transmision. I'm replacing steering components one by one, no problem. I have a pretty straightforward question: Will a C-6 Automatic Transmission, flex plate and bell housing bolt-up to my Y-Block 292? How about a C-4, although I'd rather use a C-6, since it's an F-250. It sounds too good to work, but I have to ask. Thanks to all, Jeff 1963 F-250 Utility Riverside, CA == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 14:26:35 EST From: Rollie H Hunt Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Gas prices Don Writes >I've heard people use ATF when using a new pump and it runs really >well on >that. If that is true or not I don't know. Yes it's true ! I work at a trucking company and when a truck isn't running just right sometimes they put a gallon of ATF in the fuel tanks ( full 300 gallons ) . This will clean the injectors of diesel engines . Rollie . ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:32:55 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 My web site & projects >load when I dial it up. I used to sometimes have trouble with SOME .jpgs but >not others, and I switched viewers to a shareware one called ACDSee & it >works on 99% of 'em. I figgered it was 'cuz some were made with different >photo edit programs, and that could be why your system likes some of mine & >not others 'cuz mine are saved from 2 or 3 different programs after >brightness & contrast adjustment of the original scans. Be sure and check file names and stuff in there too, usually mine stems from the fact that the Unix server that my website is on is case sensitive, the Windows box I test on is not. Also the /'s vs \'s ... found out yesterday that was holding up a few of my all pics page, though if you did it from a win. box you probably didn't notice. >I'll try & keep up with the progress on the projects. Shouldn't be too ruff >considering the slow rate of progress! Maybe finishing one before starting >another would be a novel idea. Amen to that, I can't keep all mine straight half the time and I've only got 2 cars and 2 computers ... and hockey ..and ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:36:46 -0800 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine blueprinting techniqes Tom wrote: >Earlier someone was describing using clay to check for valve to piston >interference. I know the engine must be assembled and then disassembled to >check this. My question is what do you do with the head gasket. I thought >the head gasket was a "crush once" kind of thing and could not be reused >once it had been clamped between a head and block. Do you mock the engine >up with out a gasket and then add the advertised compressed thickness to the >measurment? Do you buy extra gaskets to use for the mockup? I usually do it without a gasket and do the math later. When I did my FE390 I used one of the old gaskets saved from teardown. Steve http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty "There are no stupid questions... just stupid people." == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 12:36:47 -0800 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - np205 trans fluid or ? >>Doesn't the owner's manual recommend SAE 50 Engine oil? If it does I >>highly recommend Mobiltrans SHC50. I put it in the NP435 and Dana 24 in >>my '65 and have seen a big difference in performance especially in >>weather below 45 degrees. It's made for Eaton and Roadranger >>transmissions in over the road trucks, but it sure did well in mine >>too. > >Yes it does-- As you are well aware we went through this thread a while >back and established pretty much that SAE-50 is what FORD recommends, but >that 80wt really doesn't hurt it. I agree, you can get away with 80wt in >warm/tropical conditions, but if anybody out there has tried to drive that >soupy molassas in 10 degree weather, SWITCH!!! It's a PROFOUND difference! > 8-) I finally made the switch from 90 weight gear oil to SAE50 engine oil in my T-18 a few weeks ago. It shifts much nicer now and it's easy to get into reverse now when it's cold. (It used to take a couple tries to get it in gear on cold mornings) The truck also rolls much easier now when it's cold. I park on a slight incline, and it used to be that the truck wouldn't roll down it by itself in neutral. Now since the oil swap if I take my foot off the brake in neutral it will slowly roll down the hill. I like the over all feel of the SAE50 much better. No wonder ford recommends it... Steve http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty "There are no stupid questions... just stupid people." == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 15:52:11 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - archive searching. >Hey all > > I need some help searching the achives. Many times, I see questions >about stuff (on say the Big Bronco list) that I have saved a hard copy >of, but have deleated the E-mail. Take for instance an M-block post from >Dave. > > Subject: Re: TFE 61-79-400M or 351 Clevor? > Date: Mon, 1 Mar 1999 13:17:12-0700 > From: Dave R....... > > > Is there some way I can sarch on that exact date/time? I know I can >search on Dave's name and get all his posts, but it would be much easier >to be able to search for that exact post. I also thought of making a >list of all of dave's posts about M-blocks. There isn't much he hasn't >discussed and I have the date/time stamp from all of them. > > Thanks > > OX We're going to be updating the search engine soon to allow far more accurate searching. Ken Payne Ford Truck Enthusiasts http://www.ford-trucks.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:14:43 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Koster Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dan's Rebuild (long overdue) CJ, Yeah, I'm familiar with the problem with motor mounts. (haven't done anything about it yet). I'm quite sure that I'll need to fabricate new motor mounts. However, that's last on the list of my worries right now. I'm still trying to get this 285 lb. block to stabilize on the engine stand! Thanks for the help. Dan - --- BDIJXS aol.com wrote: > Hey Dan, > > Sounds like fun! > > Just one thing caught my eye, but I'm pretty sure you are OK. The FE's had > the motor mounts changed sometime in the early-mid 60's, I think after 63. > What I'm getting at is that I hope the motor mounts from the 61 (two-bolt, > I'm pretty sure) will bolt right into the 63 truck. I remember having this > happen once, building an old 390 and when I went to put it in, the mounts > didn't work in my 69'! I had to fabricate some brackets, which was no big > deal and they worked for several years, but I just usually check this out now > with a new block..... > > Good Luck! > > CJ > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 15:17:22 -0600 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - np205 trans fluid or ? >>Yes it does-- As you are well aware we went through this thread a while >>back and established pretty much that SAE-50 is what FORD recommends, but >>that 80wt really doesn't hurt it. I agree, you can get away with 80wt in >>warm/tropical conditions, but if anybody out there has tried to drive that >>soupy molassas in 10 degree weather, SWITCH!!! It's a PROFOUND difference! >> 8-) > > I finally made the switch from 90 weight gear oil to SAE50 engine oil > in my T-18 a few weeks ago. It shifts much nicer now and it's easy to > get into reverse now when it's cold. (It used to take a couple tries to > get it in gear on cold mornings) > The truck also rolls much easier now when it's cold. I park on a slight > incline, and it used to be that the truck wouldn't roll down it by > itself in neutral. Now since the oil swap if I take my foot off the > brake in neutral it will slowly roll down the hill. > > I like the over all feel of the SAE50 much better. No wonder ford recommends > it... > That "Kid Marino", he is something else sometimes. For being a snot nosed kid fresh out of college he sure can impress even the most knowledgable of the group. 8^P Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:34:44 -0800 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 to 400m rebuild Hey Dave, Wouldn't flat top piston give you the same effect? I seem to recall reading that flat top pistons were preferable over pop-ups or dished but I don't recall if it was strictly a performance issue. When I do my 400 this summer (I hope, I hope, I hope) I plan to use the KB 177s and bush the rods but with the way gas prices are going I'd like to see if I can get away with 89 octane instead of 92. Yeah, g'head call me a cheapskate! I do plan to clean up the comb. chambers to reduce the pinging but I know that 9.x:1 in an M block may be a bit dicey. Can the one you rebuilt run on 89 or do you have to stick with 92? "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" - -----Original Message----- From: Dave Resch To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Date: Thursday, April 01, 1999 2:38 PM Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 to 400m rebuild >OTOH, shaving the block/heads/manifold can be less expensive than using 351C >pistons w/ bushed rods. Also, the deck clearance in the 400 is pretty big and >the M-block's notorious tendency to ping might be reduced some by shaving the >block deck to effectively increase the quench area in the cylinder head. > >I have also encountered machinists who are hesitant to bush rods and use >non-standard pistons. Many engine builders that do not routinely do performance >work are reluctant to use non-standard components and they are probably >concerned about the reliability/longevity of the engine. I can tell you that >the first engine I did this to now has over 75K miles on it w/ no problems so >far. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 13:28:58 -0800 From: "Terry Pendergrass" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 SWMBO/Project time management - -- On Fri, 2 Apr 1999 13:09:06 Tim Green wrote: >That reminds me of a question I have. I know WHO SWMBO is, but what exactly >do the letters stand for? Yes, I checked the FAQ first! >The first step to building a Ford stable is to get rid of SWMBO. Mine left 4 >yrs ago & I got back into cars & trucks almost immediately. Rebuilt a Holley >600 right in the living room. Only problem was the Dremel tool dust went >into the couch upholstery & I could smell it for a year & a half!! >As for progress, not having SWMBO sorta hurts that 'cuz of having to do >everything myself (cooking, laundry, cleaning...nah forget that one). Worth >the tradeoff. This just reminded me of a bumper sticker that I seen the other day. It was on a old beat up Pickup, don't remember Ford or otherwise but it said this "I got this truck for my wife; Pretty good trade, huh!" I just thought it was too funny and decided to share. Terry '65 Ford F100 Free web-based email, anytime, anywhere! ZDNet Mail - http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.zdnetmail.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 15:55:28 -0600 From: Stu Varner Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Fuel injection article I just rec'd my May 1999 issue, page 33, of Mustangs and Fords magazine and wanted to share with everyone the great article on fuel injecting an FE. Pretty cool article. For those like Jim Elliott wanting to put FI on thier FE, this is really good stuff. Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 14:13:15 -0800 From: "sam weatherby" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Saw this in the Seattle paper... `59 Ford F150- 4x4 PU, `64 360 eng., $1000 obo. (425) 893-8622 Wish I had a grand... Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com '70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang '93 F-150 XLT Lightning '65 F100 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 17:30:58 -0500 From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis Subject: FTE 61-79 - 2wd Power steering Box what years??? Group I just bought a 68 F-250 Ranger 2wd truck(mostly for the RUST FREE body)!!!!thank god, but anyway its a nice driver but the manual steering is a bit of work with the 16"tires..What years can I swap in??? Is it a direct swap????thanks Joe 68 4x4 390 68 4x2 Bought for Body, But she's a Driver for now :) Or until the wife gets pissed of all the toys :] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 15:14:59 -0800 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 Carlisle shows Thanks for your message at 12:46 PM 4/2/99 -0500, Tim Green. Your message was: >Below is the whole '99 Carlisle schedule, clipped right from their web page Carlisle is where? Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA 1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C 1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed 1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) I shortened this to only FT's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:31:29 -0700 From: "Dave Resch" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 to 400m rebuild >From: "Bill Beyer" >Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 to 400m rebuild > >Wouldn't flat top piston give you the same effect? >I seem to recall reading that flat top pistons were >preferable over pop-ups or dished but I don't >recall if it was strictly a performance issue. Yo Bill: To increase the chamber "quench" area, more of the top surface of the piston needs to get closer to more of the surface of the combustion chamber. A flat top piston accomplishes this to some degree, but not really very much. If you think about it, the center of the piston top (the area that would be dished on a stock 400 piston) is the part of the piston furthest from the combustion chamber surface anyway. The main thing a flat top piston does is reduce the clearance volume, thus increasing the compression ratio. Shaving the block or head will bring the combustion chamber closer to the piston top, so that would have a more direct affect on the quench area than anything else, except a domed piston. >When I do my 400 this summer (I hope, I hope, >I hope) I plan to use the KB 177s and bush the >rods but with the way gas prices are going I'd >like to see if I can get away with 89 octane >instead of 92. The KB #177 has a slightly taller than stock compression height (1.670 vs 1.650), which will also help to increase the quench a little. >Can the one you rebuilt run on 89 or do you >have to stick with 92? The first M-block I used flat top 351C pistons in lives in the foothills in Colorado at an altitude of 6.5K to 8.5K feet. It has a calculated compression ratio of 9.13:1 and runs 85 octane (Regular around here) all the time w/ no problems. The last one I built lives at a little lower altitude (5.5K ft) with a calculated compression ratio of 9.31:1. On 85 octane, it pings slightly when you nail it below 2K rpm. It never pings on 87 octane (mid-grade). Pulling 4K lbs horse trailers over 10K ft mountain passes, it runs on 85 octane w/ no pinging at all. The lower the altitude your truck lives at, the more sensitive it will be to pinging w/ higher compression. Also, the more aggressive you are at low revs, the likely you are to induce pinging. If you live near sea level, I would recommend the lower end of the 9.0-9.5:1 range if you want to stay away from premium gas. The KB/Silv-O-Lite web site has some interesting technical info about piston designs and alloys. Click on the Technical Stuff links from the catalog table of contents at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.kb-silvolite.com/1toc.htm Dave R (M-block devotee) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 16:16:58 -0800 From: Don Grossman Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Saw this in the Seattle paper... sam weatherby wrote: > `59 Ford F150- 4x4 PU, `64 360 eng., $1000 obo. (425) > 893-8622 > > Wish I had a grand... I wish I were closer ;) Where be that anyway The uppper part or lower part of WA? - -- Don Grossman duckdon pacific.net == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 16:44:53 -0800 From: "sam weatherby" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Saw this in the Seattle paper... 425 should be near me. Near Seattle... Trader online had a 4x ('65?) for $1000 in Oregon. -srw Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com '70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang '93 F-150 XLT Lightning '65 F100 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Grossman To: Sent: Friday, April 02, 1999 4:16 PM Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Saw this in the Seattle paper... > > > sam weatherby wrote: > > > `59 Ford F150- 4x4 PU, `64 360 eng., $1000 obo. (425) > > 893-8622 > > > > Wish I had a grand... > > I wish I were closer ;) Where be that anyway The uppper part or lower part > of WA? > > -- > Don Grossman > duckdon pacific.net > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 16:56:18 -0800 From: Mike Pacheco Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Saw this in the Seattle paper... yes, they live in Kirkland, where is trader online located? sam weatherby wrote: > 425 should be near me. Near Seattle... > Trader online had a 4x ('65?) for $1000 in Oregon. > -srw > Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy > SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com > '70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang > '93 F-150 XLT Lightning > '65 F100 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Don Grossman > To: > Sent: Friday, April 02, 1999 4:16 PM > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Saw this in the Seattle paper... > > > > > > > sam weatherby wrote: > > > > > `59 Ford F150- 4x4 PU, `64 360 eng., $1000 obo. (425) > > > 893-8622 > > > > > > Wish I had a grand... > > > > I wish I were closer ;) Where be that anyway The uppper part or lower > part > > of WA? > > > > -- > > Don Grossman > > duckdon pacific.net > > > > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 Apr 1999 17:21:22 -0800 From: "sam weatherby" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Saw this in the Seattle paper... I think they are nation wide, and Canada. Same people that do the "truck trader', "Ford trader", etc.. that you see at the stores. I check the online listings every few days... Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com '70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang '93 F-150 XLT Lightning '65 F100 - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Pacheco To: Sent: Friday, April 02, 1999 4:56 PM Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Saw this in the Seattle paper... > yes, they live in Kirkland, where is trader online located? > > sam weatherby wrote: > > > 425 should be near me. Near Seattle... > > Trader online had a 4x ('65?) for $1000 in Oregon. > > -srw > > Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy > > SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com > > '70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang > > '93 F-150 XLT Lightning > > '65 F100 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Don Grossman > > To: > > Sent: Friday, April 02, 1999 4:16 PM > > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Saw this in the Seattle paper... > > > > > > > > > > > sam weatherby wrote: > > > > > > > `59 Ford F150- 4x4 PU, `64 360 eng., $1000 obo. (425) > > > > 893-8622 > > > > > > > > Wish I had a grand....... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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