61-79-list-digest Friday, April 2 1999 Volume 03 : Number 112



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Ford Carlisle Show Date?/
FTE 61-79 - Correction
FTE 61-79 - Delivey Van to Palace of Love..
Re: FTE 61-79 - Newbie
Re: FTE 61-79 - Non-blinking turn signal amber lights....
FTE 61-79 - Test
FTE 61-79 - 5.0 swap
FTE 61-79 - Married case
Re: FTE 61-79 - 5.0 swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights
Re: FTE 61-79 - Non-blinking turn signal amber lights....
FTE 61-79 - Re:carb or fuel pump woes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Carb or Fuel Pump Woes
Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 351M vacum stuff
Re: FTE 61-79 - Test
FTE 61-79 - Central Florida Truck Club
Bias Tire BluesRE: FTE 61-79 - Bias Ply BluesRE: FTE 61-79 - Bias Ply Blues
[none]
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 to 400m rebuild
Re: FTE 61-79 - Carb or Fuel Pump Woes
FTE 61-79 - Holley or Edelbrock?
FTE 61-79 - np205/auto trans fluid or ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - np205/auto trans fluid or ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - np205/auto trans fluid or ?
FTE 61-79 - Dan's Rebuild (long overdue)
FTE 61-79 - 61-79 list Re: Oregon proposed law
FTE 61-79 - thanks for the torque spec
FTE 61-79 - Newbie Tim's page
FTE 61-79 - Violent shaking

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 06:37:35 -0500
From: Joe Delaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford Carlisle Show Date?/

Does anybody know when the ALL FORD CARLISLE show is this year????
And how about the ALL TRUCK one too???

Anybody from the List making it to either of these shows and having
a get together??????
joe
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 06:13:52 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Correction

> Not true, some 2wd use the upside-down "y" linkage.

I stand corrected.
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 07:05:19 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Delivey Van to Palace of Love..

> Guys: Does anybody still make and sell the custom interior pieces for
> van interiors? I mean the wall boards and door panels in the rear cut
> outs. They used to sell kits of fiber board that you could make your
> own kind of covering for or use carpet. I need the fiberboard pieces
> for the walls of a 78 short wheelbase econoline. Any help out there?

I've done a couple of van interiors in the past and had a really hard
time finding anything worth a darn to work with. J. C. Whitney makes
some stuff, but headliners, and wall boards I bet you might have a
little trouble finding.

1/4 inch masonite cut to shape and upholstered is what I finally did on
the walls, and cabbaged a deluxe headliner out of a later model of the
same style/size van. You have to get everything pretty exact fit or it
will look crude. There's some plastic clip channel that you can put
between the joints that will allow a trim strip to cover the seams. You
can likely buy it at an upholstery shop. You dont want to make a
one-piece for each side panel, because that masonite gets a mind of it's
own if you have too big of a piece. Segmenting about evey 2nd wall
brace is about right.
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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:33:41 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Newbie

>Hi all. I've been reading the digests for about 2 weeks now.
>Think many of you would be interested in my old fords:
>66 F-100 Custom Cab with '68 428 Police Interceptor
>55 Mainline Tudor with '67 Mustang 289 4-spd (off topic)


Wow, sounds like you've got some great projects lined up. Love the 428 in
the 66 too :)
Good page too, lots of interesting car show pics ...the ones I could get to
load anyway (anyone else have trouble with the first 6 or so pics not
loading ?)

Keep us updated on the projects too ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:34:53 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Non-blinking turn signal amber lights....

At 04:12 AM 4/1/99 , you wrote:
>The amber lights just above the headlights blink just fine when the
>lights are not on.
>
>When I turn the lights on at night, they do not blink with turn
>signal. They just stay solidy lit.
>
>Any way to fix this?
>

Sounds like a grounding problem. Someone mentioned the wire between the
headlights and the radiator support not being clean ... might check and
clean all the connections as a start ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 09:59:03 -0500
From: jdklaers magicnet.net (John D. Klaers)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Test

Testing


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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:57:54 -0600 (CST)
From: cdedear clearsail.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 5.0 swap

Hey Yall,
Im thinking of building a slight hotrod truck.
A short wheelbase 72-74 F100. Put 5.0 and AOD Trany
straight from a 85-93 Mustang. I know I will have to
either shorten or lenthen the driveshaft. I also know
I'm gonna have to pull the wiring harness off the stang
and rig it on the truck.
Am I getting in over my head? I have a friend who
did it but he's also a mechanic.
Also on those year mustangs was it Fuel Injection,
throttle body, or carbbed? Any Info would be greatly
Appreciated. Thanks......

"The Green Iguana"
74 F100 XLT Ranger (all original)
390 2bbl
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:15:09 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Married case

CJ writes: >>Hey Azie, thought I would jump in....my 69 F-100 4x4 had a married
setup....so
they must have changed somewhere between about 65 and 69....I guess..

Someone else said it was '65 with a Dana 21 case. I don't play around with the
pre '73 very much, but I knew it was considerably earlier than the F250/F350
series. My '66 was a 2WD.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 09:33:52 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 5.0 swap

>A short wheelbase 72-74 F100. Put 5.0 and AOD Trany
>straight from a 85-93 Mustang. I know I will have to
>either shorten or lenthen the driveshaft. I also know
>I'm gonna have to pull the wiring harness off the stang
>and rig it on the truck.
> Am I getting in over my head? I have a friend who
>did it but he's also a mechanic.
Who knows, how handy are you with wiring and such ?


> Also on those year mustangs was it Fuel Injection,
>throttle body, or carbbed? Any Info would be greatly
>Appreciated. Thanks......
>

The 85's are the last carbureted Mustangs, when they came with an Auto they
were FI, throttle body I think... 86 on they were multi-port. Around 90 or
91? Maybe 89, they switched to mass air instead of speed density (a good
thing if you're beefing it up) ... they did some playing with cams and
stuff through the various years, but if you jsut pick one you like to stick
in it, then you'll know. Lots of aftermarket stuff available, just don't
forget you'll still need some torque, the trucks are a touch heavier than
the stangs ...

:)


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 07:51:35 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights

j arnold wrote: about the brighter headlights

>
> We put it in my son's truck (79 F-250), dramatic difference!! Plan to do it
> to all my trucks, but I'm looking for different type of fuse block. I
> prefer blade type fuses.
>
> Stoney

They do make an inline fuse that uses the blades. One has a sealing lid on it
to resist agains water and weather. I installed another fuse block since I
was adding other accessories. Adding the second fuse block takes some of the
load off the key swich and headlight swich in older models.

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 08:01:12 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Non-blinking turn signal amber lights....

Martin Miller wrote:

> The amber lights just above the headlights blink just fine when the
> lights are not on.
>
> When I turn the lights on at night, they do not blink with turn
> signal. They just stay solidy lit.
>
> Any way to fix this?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Martin

As one person mentioned check the grounds. It could also be the voltage.
There is a thread about Brighter headlight going around. What it could be
is with the lights on the drop in voltage is enough that the blinker( for
lack of a better work) is not loading up and blinking. Do a little test.
With the lights off turn the blinker on. With the blinker going turn the
lights on and off. Now do that with some of the other accessories ( lights
off and the fan turned off and on High. Check with the brake lights. If
the blinkers stop with the brake lights on it could really be a drop in
voltage. Most likely due to bad grounding or corroded connections
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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net

99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 08:19:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:carb or fuel pump woes

I don't think you have a fuel pump problem, but you may
have a carb problem or vacuum leaks. First chek all
your vacuum lines for cracks and breaks. Then get some
fresh gas in the tank, then add a good carb cleaner to
your tank, also if you have an in line fuel filter
replace it. While these steps may help, you will
probably not be healed until you replace the needle and
seat in the carb and maybe the float (if it is not
brass) as well. It sounds like varnish has built up in
your carb. It will take a good cleaning with solvent to
get it out. You can:

1. Buy a rebuiling kit, disassemble the carb, soak the
parts in solvent (in a metal pan), use an acid brush to
clean them. Replace all the parts that are in the kit
and reassemble the carb. Adjust the float level per
instructions.

2. Or buy a rebuilt carb.

Good Luck!

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 23:32:30 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carb or Fuel Pump Woes

check fuel filter, ive had this happen before. It might be letting a
little bit of fuel trickle through, but not enough to keep it running..

cannandale

At 08:08 PM 3/31/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>My 77 302 finally decided it was going to stop
>running. It will fire up and idle for awhile and when
>you put it in drive it will sputter out. Put back in N
>it will fire up and rev up but the minute you put it
>into drive it dies again. I know the truck has sat for
>awhile before I got it. Can there be something in the
>tank, fuel line, or fuel pump and why does it stall out
>when put into drive? TIA
>
>--
>William A Whited
>74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
>77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302
>79 F100 EXPLORER SUPERCAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK)
>"IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI"
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 10:37:37 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 351M vacum stuff

>From: Brazzadog aol.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - '78 351M vacum stuff
>
>Back by the C6 dipstick was a black plastic cylinder
>about the size of a vacum motor that had three nipples
>on it. ... The 3 nipples were labeled A,R, and O?
>or maybe C?. "R" went to the vapor cannister and
>"O/C?" went to a metal vacum motor looking thing
>wearing a foil tag with a bunch of numbers on it.

Yo Ben:

>From your description, the device w/ 3 nipples sounds like the purge control
valve. It is part of the EVAP emission control system. When your engine is not
running, fuel vapors from the carb bowl vent (and maybe from the fuel tanks) are
directed to a carbon canister where they are trapped and stored for disposal
next time the engine runs. When the engine warms up after starting, a vacuum
signal is applied to the control port on the purge control valve. When the
control signal is applied, the other two ports are opened to each other allowing
the stored fuel vapors to be sucked from the carbon canister into a vacuum port
on the carb.

The control port should be connected to a manifold vacuum source regulated by a
thermal PVS (ported vacuum switch) in the coolant. The other two ports should
be interchangeable, one goes to the carbon canister and the other goes to a
vacuum port on the carb. For the system to work properly, you'll need to
determine which of the ports is the control port. I don't recognize the
letters, but on my truck, the middle of the 3 ports is the control port. You
can experiment and apply vacuum to the ports to determine which is which.

>The other thing is that behind the EGR is a
>vacum manifold that supplies the brake
>booster, among other things.

This is the main manifold vacuum source. The part installed by the factory has
enough provisions for any application (probably the same piece used on both cars
and trucks). Seems like I remember seeing 5-6 ports on mine. The unnecessary
ports are plugged off. Since they're all coming from the same place, running a
hose between two unneeded ports would be the same as plugging each one off.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 14:24:23 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Test

In a message dated 4/1/99 10:06:21 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jdklaers magicnet.net writes:

> Testing
>
One, two, three......" You are coming through loud and clear.

Stock Man
(a/k/a Thom B.)
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:34:30 -0500
From: jdklaers magicnet.net (John D. Klaers)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Central Florida Truck Club

Sorry to post this to the general list but I lost the E-mail addresses of
all the members of the club. So would all the members please contact me.
Thanks.

Anyone who lives in the Central Florida area (defined as however far your
willing to drive to go to meetings and events) can join the club. So you
can contact me too.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

John


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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 12:35:11 -0800
From: "Jeff Carver"
Subject: Bias Tire BluessRE: FTE 61-79 - Bias Ply BluessRE: FTE 61-79 - Bias Ply Blues

For a wandering truck, another thing to consider
is what is happening to mine, and switching to
radials made it worse.

The suspension bushings on mine are horribly
worn and loose, so the body wanders around
from side to side on corners. Heavy bias tires
helps helps maintain side-to-side stiffness,
radials made it uncontrollable.

Hope the simple fix works for you.

Jeff '64 F100 CrewCab


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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 1999 13:15:39 PST
From: "steve potratz"
Subject: [none]


>I went over the maze of vacum lines on my truck today trying to find a
possible vacum leak and found some things I hadn't noticed before.
Back by the C6 dipstick was a black plastic cylinder about the size of a
vacum
motor that had three nipples on it. The nipples were coverd by a heavy
rubber
manifold sort of deal that the vacum lines fed into. The 3 nipples were
labeled A,R, and O? or maybe C?. "R" went to the vapor cannister and
"O/C?"
What is this thing an should it be this way?>

The Little black box is a vacuum signal amplifier. In the late 70s and
80s the cam choice was so bad that there was not enough vacuum to
operate the EGR, vacuum brake booster and other vacuum dodads. There
are also restrictor tees in the various lines that give a timed response
to inputs. The amplifier is supposed to make all these signals have
sufficient vacuum to do their job. It is very difficult to know if the
box is doing it's job if any one of the other components has failed or
been modified, or replaced with a non Ford(ie NAPA) replacement.
Unfortunately Ford dealers do not have a very good inventory of diagrams
to work on the vacuum systems. The best info I found was in an old
MOTORS repair manual that a local mechanic let me borrow. There are at
least 5 or 6 different configurations for each engine series-depending
on the part of the country that the truck was made. I know this was a
long winded response but it is a complicated issue.

Steve Potratz
Moscow Idaho
78 SuperCab 4wd

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 15:36:36 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 to 400m rebuild

>From: mclough page.az.net (Michael Clough)
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351 to 400m rebuild
>
>I took my heads down to the machinist yesterday
>and was talking to him about swapping the
>pistons and bushing the rods. He did not seem
>to interested in this approach and suggested
>using stock 400 pistons and shaving the heads
>down to raise compression. Could someone
>please remind me what was the downside to this
>approach is so that I can talk with him a little
>more on the subject.

Yo Mike:

The main disadvantage to shaving the block and cylinder heads is that the intake
manifold also has to be shaved to maintain the proper mating surfaces and you
may need non-standard pushrods. Obviously, if you are concerned about the
future service life of the cast engine components (block and heads), the less
material you remove from them when rebuilding, the more is left for next time,
should they require decking to correct alignment/warpage, etc.

OTOH, shaving the block/heads/manifold can be less expensive than using 351C
pistons w/ bushed rods. Also, the deck clearance in the 400 is pretty big and
the M-block's notorious tendency to ping might be reduced some by shaving the
block deck to effectively increase the quench area in the cylinder head.

I have also encountered machinists who are hesitant to bush rods and use
non-standard pistons. Many engine builders that do not routinely do performance
work are reluctant to use non-standard components and they are probably
concerned about the reliability/longevity of the engine. I can tell you that
the first engine I did this to now has over 75K miles on it w/ no problems so
far.

>He also suggested a roller rocker setup for a
>longer running engine (from less metal particles).

I would recommend roller tip/roller fulcrum rockers, if you can afford them. On
an M-block, the main benefit is reduced wear on valve stems and valve guides,
which means better longevity. A smaller, though significant, benefit is reduced
valvetrain friction. At a minimum of $200 for a set, the benefit/cost ratio is
not that great for a non-racing application.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Sun, 31 Mar 1996 15:55:36 -0700
From: "James Draughn"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Carb or Fuel Pump Woes

I would think that it would be the carburator. I would think that because
the tanks in the carb fill up with fuel and thats what the engine runs off
from. As I understand it, the pump fills up the tanks in the carb, and the
carb draws fuel to burn, from the tanks in the carb (there not tanks, I just
forgot there proper name). So, as long as you are actually starting it, it
sounds like you have fuel in the tanks and if you where to drive it then it
would take fuel from the tanks. Now if the engine where to totally die and
you had alot of trouble starting it, then I think it would be the pump or
filter because then couldint get the fuel to the carb by just cranking on
it. Am I making sense? I just put the engine in my van and the tank was on
empty so I put 5 gallons in it so it had gas, and to freshen up the little
bit that was in the tank. Well, cranking on the engine would not pump the
fuel into the carb fast enough to get it going. I was all out of gas that I
was using to pour into the carb to prime it and get it going too. What I
eventually did was just stick the air from the air compressor into the gas
tank and pressurise it, with the line off the carb, while someone was
cranking the engine. Once it started squirting gas everywhere, I put the
line back on, cranked the engine, and it fired right up. (first time I had
ever heard that engine, it was siezed when I bought the van). That was just
a couple of days ago. So, from what im thinking is that your pump is
getting as to the carb, otherwise it wouldint start at all. What im saying
only kinda make sense in a wierd kinda way. But from my reasoning I would
think its the carb.
Ok everyone, start telling me how very wrong I am to think its the carb by
my wierdo line of reasoning.


>check fuel filter, ive had this happen before. It might be letting a
>little bit of fuel trickle through, but not enough to keep it running..
>
>cannandale
>
>At 08:08 PM 3/31/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>My 77 302 finally decided it was going to stop
>>running. It will fire up and idle for awhile and when
>>you put it in drive it will sputter out. Put back in N
>>it will fire up and rev up but the minute you put it
>>into drive it dies again. I know the truck has sat for
>>awhile before I got it. Can there be something in the
>>tank, fuel line, or fuel pump and why does it stall out
>>when put into drive? TIA
>>
>>--
>>William A Whited
>>74 F100 RANGER SUPERCAB 390
>>77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302
>>79 F100 EXPLORER SUPERCAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK)
>>"IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI"
>>
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:58:21 EST
From: Boon40 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Holley or Edelbrock?

Friends,
I have a 78 f-150 with a 70 model 460. I need to purchase a new carb.
Can anyone tell me the pros and cons of these two carbs? I am happy with the
power this engine produces. I just need to make it more efficient. It is a
stock engine with L&L headers. I am running 73 model heads. (low compression)
I also have a factory cast iron intake on it. A dove something or other. Will
a new aluminum intake help the mileage? Let me know. Thanks for the help.
Boon
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:03:55 EST
From: Fignewtun aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - np205/auto trans fluid or ?

Dear Ford Truck Fans,
I have a 78 4x4. Does my tranfer case take Auto trans fluid or 140W/gear
lube? I am confused. FIG
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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 07:52:09 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - np205/auto trans fluid or ?

it takes 90w/gear oil..

cannandale

At 06:10 PM 4/1/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Dear Ford Truck Fans,
> I have a 78 4x4. Does my tranfer case take Auto trans fluid or 140W/gear
>lube? I am confused. FIG
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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 1999 07:52:09 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - np205/auto trans fluid or ?

it takes 90w/gear oil..

cannandale

At 06:10 PM 4/1/99 -0500, you wrote:
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>Dear Ford Truck Fans,
> I have a 78 4x4. Does my tranfer case take Auto trans fluid or 140W/gear
>lube? I am confused. FIG
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 17:12:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Daniel Koster
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dan's Rebuild (long overdue)

Dear List,

I have finally begun my rebuild... whew!

I will begin to post pictures, etc. (just like William's Rebuild) on the
internet. I will post the address as soon as I get it ready.

I am literally starting from square one. I have the stripped, cleaned, and
bored block sitting in an engine stand in my 'garage'.

It is an old 390 yanked out of a 1961 Thunderbird. I'll be putting it into my
'new' 63 F-100 as soon as I'm finished.

I would like to paint it, and put all the bells and whistles on it too.

I am going to need all the help from the list I can get.

I'm so excited I can hardly stand it!


Anyway, I've been saving my dimes and nickels for a year now to have enough to
get everything going. (I blew all my extra funds last year getting new pistons,
the crank turned, the block cleaned and bored, etc.)

Now it's time to add all the goodies.

I haven't ordered a thing and am going to need some recommendations as time goes
on.

I'll keep everyone posted on how it's going.


Thanks in advance for any help!


Dan


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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:57:01 -0800
From: "Jacques and Barbara DeKalb"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 61-79 list Re: Oregon proposed law

On a Saturday a few weeks ago, I drove a couple miles into town to my
office, got a cup of coffee, drove a mile across town to the body shop and
later drove back home by a different route. I counted 29 pre-71 Ford trucks
that morning. Only 7 of them were parked, most were in great condition (and
none of them were mine!). If Oregon's proposed House Bill 3217 were in
effect and applied now to vehicles over thirty years old, probably none of
those trucks would be on the road.
Not everyone can afford a new vehicle and many prefer to drive older cars
and trucks for reasons that are not financial. And yet, these vehicles are
not serious poluters. It seems to me a greater waste of resources to force
people buy new vehicle than to "recycle" the old ones.
Only four cities in Oregon have public transportation. By eliminating
affordable private transportation, whole towns and neighborhood will be
isolated and stranded.
I have written my local representatives and the sponsor of this poorly
thought-out measure to urge them to vote it down. I encourage list members
in Oregon to do the same.
On a positive note there is also a proposed Senate bill which would exempt
all vehicles over 20 years from emissions testing except in areas where
testing is required, where all vehicles built before 1974 would be exempt.

Jacques,
Bend, Ore



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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 18:01:51 -0700
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - thanks for the torque spec

Thanks all for the FE rocker shaft torque spec. I torqued them to 50 lbs., so I guess I was close :-)

Thanks again,

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 1999 23:47:48 -0500
From: "Timothy R. Anderson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Newbie Tim's page

Tim,
I enjoyed your web page. You are indeed
a true blue Ford guy. The "Zonker" looks
like it has alot of promise. Let me know how
the Powertrax unit works... I'm thinking about
putting one in my '67. But now, how do you
find the time to indulge yourself in the vast
array of projects you have? I need your
secrects so that I can convince SWMBO to....


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