61-79-list-digest Tuesday, March 30 1999 Volume 03 : Number 109



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Stu's impetus
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tampa to Denver, Via Omaha
FTE 61-79 - Bathtub Parts Washer
RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 BELT/PULLEY QUESTION
Re: FTE 61-79 - Auto to Manual trany conversion...
FTE 61-79 - re:hood lock
FTE 61-79 - Swap Meet Columbus, OH.
FTE 61-79 - 351 to 400m rebuild
Re: FTE 61-79 - Selecting oils...
FTE 61-79 - Testing a parking brake
Re: FTE 61-79 - Drive train noise and vibrations - new U-joints ?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Drive train noise and vibrations - new U-joints ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - How to build horsepower with a 460?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Testing a parking brake
Re: FTE 61-79 - Testing a parking brake
Re: FTE 61-79 - torque spec
Re: FTE 61-79 - Swap Meet Columbus, OH.
FTE 61-79 - 76 Ford Steering
RE: FTE 61-79 - Swap Meet Columbus, OH.
FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights
FTE 61-79 - Oregon Law about Oldies
FTE 61-79 - RE: '76 Ford Steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights
FTE 61-79 - Pulleys
RE: FTE 61-79 - Oregon Law about Oldies
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tampa to Denver, Via Omaha
FTE 61-79 - Divorced/married
FTE 61-79 - Brakes applied
FTE 61-79 - 460 BELT/PULLEY QUESTION
FTE 61-79 - vacuum secondaries not working?
Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights
FTE 61-79 - Anybody here know the torque spec for FE rocker arm shafts??
FTE 61-79 - Auto/Manual
Re: FTE 61-79 - torque spec
FTE 61-79 - Re: '76 Ford Steering
FTE 61-79 - Ask again Radiator support
FTE 61-79 - Master Cylinders
Re: FTE 61-79 - Divorced/married
FTE 61-79 - Back again
FTE 61-79 - 460 - Rings
Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights
Re: FTE 61-79 - Master Cylinders
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ask again Radiator support
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ask again Radiator support
Re: FTE 61-79 - torque spec
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ask again Radiator support
FTE 61-79 - 76 Ford Steering
FTE 61-79 - Steering Adjustments question
FTE 61-79 - Personal Choice
FTE 61-79 - Serial numbers
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ask again Radiator support
FTE 61-79 - steering column question
Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum secondaries not working?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stu's impetus
FTE 61-79 - Columbus Spring Swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - '76 Ford Steering

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 05:49:02 -0600
From: "James Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stu's impetus

Deacon wrote:


Stu, my man. Z truck is looking good! ;] To think this all started
trying to find a rattle. :) Or was it the headlight needed changing and
you started removing it from the wrong end.


Deacon, it is a tragic lesson in what happens when one loses the key to the
locking gas cap.

Jim E.



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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 06:55:06 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tampa to Denver, Via Omaha

In a message dated 3/29/99 11:14:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SWeatherby uswest.net writes:

> Points...
> My mustang WAS dependant on them. I "upgraded" to Duraspark II.
> The car runs much better, but that may be more from new wires than
anything!
> It was quite easy but i had to look at quite a few vehicles to get a good
> harness...

Sam:
I am kinda anal when it comes to upgrading things like that. Besides -- what
better excuse to work on the truck then to have to clean and adjust the points
every other trip around the block? Am I right --- Huhh--Huhhh????

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 06:20:13 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bathtub Parts Washer

> fried. Any thoughts on it's failure? I plan to rebuild it. If I rebuild
> it in the motel do you think it will nominate me to the FTE Hall of
> Fame? :) Good bathtub (not mine) clean environment. May cost me a
> marriage but to be honest, she's not all that pleased with me anyway. :]

I'll nominate you, but only if you leave it to soak and she has to ask
you to move so she can take a bath.

Couldn't venture to say what failed, but good luck.
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:26:11 -0500
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 BELT/PULLEY QUESTION

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> From: Matthew Schwartz[SMTP:mschwartz fast.net]
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 7:51 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 BELT/PULLEY QUESTION
>
SNIP
> Does anyone know of differences between pulleys / alt / ps pump on 460s. I
> tried to find a front shot of a restored 460 to look at ... no luck.
> Any info would be welcome!
>
> Thanks
>
> Matt
>
Matt,

FWIW
Water pump shaft length and water intake snout orientation vary
between car and truck applications. Go back to the parts store and have
them bring out a water pump for an old Lincoln and one for a truck. You'll
see the difference. Getting all the pulleys aligned can be a real PITA.
Good luck

Tracy
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 07:39:41 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Auto to Manual trany conversion...

cannandale netpointe.com wrote:
>
> > Oops, almost forgot, transfer case mating tube (this is called a
> >divorced transfer case, I think??) is different between auto and manual
> >trans, so you will need that also.
>
> a divorced transfer case has a small drivehaft from the tranny to the
> t-case, i dont remember if it has u-joints or not, but i think it does.
> where the tranny has a tube off of it that bolts right into the t-case is
> married..
>

I guess it's just that word, ma, marr, marrrrr..., that getting
together forever word, I just can't seem to say/remember :-).

OX
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 05:06:34 PST
From: "eldon eversull"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - re:hood lock

Jesus Cardoso wrote:
>> ...I am currently looking for a hood lock for my 63 F100...

and William S Hart replied:

>> ...basically you used some long screws and screwed part
of it into the hood and part of it into the radiator support. Then
under the dash you mounted a cylinder that took a key looking something
like that for a bike lock or pop machine...

Chuy,
I installed a hood lock on my 64 that came from JC Whitney a year ago.
It was $29 I think and is like the above description. I made my own
bracket for the hood, and the throw on the latch appeared to be too
long. I made it half that length and it works great.

Eldon
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:43:24 -0500
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Swap Meet Columbus, OH.

Hey All,

Any FTE's going to the swap meet in Columbus, OH. this weekend?

Tracy
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 06:57:44 -0700
From: mclough page.az.net (Michael Clough)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351 to 400m rebuild

Hello all. I have been reading all of the information about building a
400 from a 351m on the list. I took my heads down to the machinist
yesterday and was talking to him about swapping the pistons and bushing
the rods. He did not seem to interested in this approach and suggested
using stock 400 pistons and shaving the heads down to raise compression.
Could someone please remind me what was the downside to this approach is
so that I can talk with him a little more on the subject. He also
suggested a roller rocker setup for a longer running engine (from less
metal particles). Any comments would be appreciated. THIA Mike Clough
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:15:17 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Selecting oils...

At 01:42 AM 3/26/99 -0500, you wrote:
>James,
>
>I am an engineering student at Virginia Tech, and I am taking a course on
Engine and Powertrain technology. In that course, we were told to look on
the oil container for an index of its quality. There are ratings like
SG/CD. This means for a Spark (gas) engine, the rating is G, and for a
Compression (diesel) engine, the rating is D. The higher the letter after
S, the better the quality, lubrication, protection, etc., for your gasoline
engine.
>
>As for the best of oils, from what I've learned and seen, this seems to be
Amzoil (or is it Amsoil?). It is a synthetic oil that costs anywhere
around $5 a quart to $7 or $8 a quart, and you have to get it through a
dealer, not your local parts store. I was told that Jeff Gordon, who is
sponsored by Quaker State and gets all the free Quaker State he can use,
uses Amsoil (I'm not sure, but I think it's 0 W 30). Gotta be good stuff
if he PAYS for it, instead of using what he gets for free. Additionally,
there is a man who has run it in his Dodge Cummins Diesel engine as an
experiment for 175,000 miles without changing it, and every 5,000-10,000
miles he sends a sample of the oil to a lab to be tested. Results have
shown that the oil still hasn't broken down, and doesn't have enough
metallic pieces to be changed. In other words, after 175,000, with regular
filter changes, this oil is still good!
>
>Well, enough about that. Just check the ratings, and buy as high a rating
as you can afford, and you should be fine.
>
>Joe Hartwell
>1988 Ford Ranger
>1968 Ford F-100
>Virginia Tech Student of Electrical Engineering
>
>
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Just wanted to put my 2 cents worth in here. No, Gordon does not run
Quaker State, but he doesn't run Amsoil either. In fact all of the NASCAR
drivers run an oil known only as Primrose. I have heard of some people
findind this oil, but I've not been able to. What makes this oil so good
is the "molly content", which makes it stick to the moving parts, where
9000 RPMs throws any regular lubricant away from where it needs to be. In
fact, the only time those nascar engines see the oil that sponsors them is
at break-in. Thats how they can get on TV and say they run that oil I
guess... Oh yeah, they also run 18 quarts of oil as well, and the reservoir
is in the trunk (for cooling reasons).
I will say that I run Havoline oil, simply because Ford is affiliated with
them. I feel that if you are not running past 5000 RPMs regularly, and you
change your oil every 3000 miles, you shouldn't have any problem running
conventional oils...

The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:27:20 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Testing a parking brake

>Testing a parking brake....
>
>>Is there a way to test if the parking brake is applied.
>>
>>It had been frozen and I released it, so I think. I just bought this
>>truck last week so I don't know it that well. If I put it in neutral
>>I can push it, but there is some squeking (applied brake?) When I put
>>it in R (automatic) is goes back by itself. When I put it in D it
>>does'nt move. I can't figure out if the brake is still applied a
>>little or not.
>>
>>I would appreciate any insight.
>
>After redoing my entire brake system (only old part was the differential
>valve), and finally having a truck with a functional parking brake, I had a
>nasty habit of leaving the brake on and trying to drive with it like that.
>I found that the truck will generally go in reverse just fine but will
>either not move at all in forward or will be quite sluggish. A couple times
>I thought something had gone wrong in my tranny. :-)
>
On almost all of our trucks, the parking brake is going to be a drum brake.
Drum brakes, by their design, are MUCH more effective in forward than
reverse. Your parking brake will need to be applied considerably harder to
keep the truck from rolling backward than forward. If the hill is steep
enough, even a good parking brake may not be able to hold it. Drum brake
shoes "dig in" to the drum when going forward, but not when going backwards.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:26:13 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Drive train noise and vibrations - new U-joints ?

At 10:19 AM 3/26/99 PST, you wrote:
>
>
>Every time I let go of my foot from the gas pedal to slow down the
>truck, I hear a loud noise and some vibration from the drive train. What
>is the cause and how do I fix it ? I also hear a 'gunk' noise every time
>I put the truck in drive or reverse. This tells me it's probably the
>U-joints that need to be replaced, but is that all ?
>
>Thanks,
>Dane
>
>77 F150 4WD AT Stepside
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Yeah, if you are hearing the clunk, you need the U-Joints. My truck does
the same thing as far as vibrating on deceleration, but its because of the
driveshaft angle at the Transfer case I'm sure (I've got a 2" lift in the
front). I'd go with the Super Joints..there the ones I've had the best
luck with. You might also want to check your rear U-Bolts that hold your
axle. I had some work there way loose, and the whole rear axle was
shifting in the bolts. Cheap and relatively easy repair if that is the
case for you. Good Luck!

BRAD
78 F150 4X4 429


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:28:19 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Drive train noise and vibrations - new U-joints ?

At 11:36 AM 3/26/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Don't wait to fix it, do it now. I had the same thing happen on 79 bronco,
>waited too long, and when the front u-joint blew out, it took out the side
>of the velocity joint too. Almost dropped the front of the rear driveshaft,
>and I was just about to get on 75mph freeway. Imagine if I had dropped it
>then, you would not be seeing this letter. My dad had an old driveshaft
>with extra velocity joint, I bought new u-joints (3) and rebuilt it myself,
>then had it balanced. Works great now. Sorry about long post, but safety
>is an issue on this one.
>
>Colorado Rick
>
>snip snip
>
>Every time I let go of my foot from the gas pedal to slow down the truck, I
>hear a loud noise and some vibration from the drive train. I also hear a
>'gunk' noise every time I put the truck in drive or reverse.
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Where did you get your driveshaft balanced? I's love to get that done!

Brad

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:43:13 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How to build horsepower with a 460?

At 09:04 PM 3/26/96 -0700, you wrote:
>Ok, im sure you are all getting sick of my posts about how to get
>horsepower, but you guys are the only people I can really ask. I was
>previously asking about how to upgrade a 351w. Well I was in a hurry so all
>I did was get a mild cam and 8.9 - 1 comp pistons. Those are the only
>upgrades I really got. I am dropping the engine in tomorrow, and hope to
>hear it run for the first time :) A friend of mine works at a place where
>they haul sheet rock and they got a totalled ford truck out there and he
>says it has a 460 in it. I am thinking of getting a hold of a 460 and just
>building it up piece by piece as I get the cash. I heard of stroking a 460
>to 512. I also got a reply on my winsdor that said I could use 11.5 to 1
>comp ratio so I could use pump gas or alcohol. Well, if I did use 11.5 to 1
>comp ratio, what would be the advatages/disadvatages? I do have two tanks
>in my van :). Next, could someone give me a web address for a company that
>sells cranks to stroke a 460? I would like this engine to be all out as bad
>as it could be, but I would also like it to be a daily driver, if required
>(Never mind the gas mileage, I know). What would be your guys
>recommendations for this upgrade (heads, cams, pistons...)? What upgrades
>would make the biggest difference in HP/Torque gain? The cam or the
>Compression Ratio or what? I have tons of questions I know, but I am like a
>sponge, I am just soaking all the answers up.
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Well, the first thing you have to consider is where do you want your power?
If you want some serious speed, and are going to stroke it, I'd look at
getting a really big intake (like Edelbrock's Torker), and putting a good
cam in it. Have a 3 angle valve job done , and do the exhaust right, and
you will have a mean machine! Good luck!

Brad

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:57:12 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Testing a parking brake

>On almost all of our trucks, the parking brake is going to be a drum brake.
> Drum brakes, by their design, are MUCH more effective in forward than
>reverse.

Actually the primary shoe is the only one that is more effective in forward
than reverse, because of the rotation of the wheel it is actually applying
itself to the drum when going forward, that's why its smaller than the
secondary which is being pushed off of the drum when going forward....





Your parking brake will need to be applied considerably harder to
>keep the truck from rolling backward than forward. If the hill is steep
>enough, even a good parking brake may not be able to hold it. Drum brake
>shoes "dig in" to the drum when going forward, but not when going backwards.
> _

Because of the reasons stated above, and knowing that only the primary
shoes are engaged when the parking brake is set, that's why the truck will
roll backwards, but not forwards. When you go backwards you are pushing
the brake off of the drum ....
Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:02:29 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Testing a parking brake

At 08:57 AM 3/30/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>On almost all of our trucks, the parking brake is going to be a drum brake.
>> Drum brakes, by their design, are MUCH more effective in forward than
>>reverse.
>
>Actually the primary shoe is the only one that is more effective in forward
>than reverse, because of the rotation of the wheel it is actually applying
>itself to the drum when going forward, that's why its smaller than the
>secondary which is being pushed off of the drum when going forward....
>
>
>
>
>
> Your parking brake will need to be applied considerably harder to
>>keep the truck from rolling backward than forward. If the hill is steep
>>enough, even a good parking brake may not be able to hold it. Drum brake
>>shoes "dig in" to the drum when going forward, but not when going backwards.
>> _
>
>Because of the reasons stated above, and knowing that only the primary
>shoes are engaged when the parking brake is set, that's why the truck will
>roll backwards, but not forwards. When you go backwards you are pushing
>the brake off of the drum ....
>Just my 2cents
>
>wish
>
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You can adjust your parking brake on the cable right before it splits to go
to the wheels. There is a nut there that can be turned to get more
pressure to the two cables going to the wheels... Hope this helps...

Brad


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:10:22 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - torque spec

At 09:12 PM 3/29/99 , you wrote:
>Anybody here know the torque spec for FE rocker arm shafts??
>
http://www.ford-trucks.com/articles/pushrods.html

This is an article by Bill Ballinger about torquing them down, don't know
if he has the actual torque specs or not, 40-45 is what is shown in
Christ's book ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 10:13:34 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Long"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Swap Meet Columbus, OH.

where and when is the swap meet? I'm in Col.

Rob

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:02:13 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 76 Ford Steering

Hey Daniel,

I'm assuming you have a 4x4??? If so, you are right, the tie rod system on the
76-77's were Mickey. To replace, you can buy new rods and pitman arm from a
78-79....bolts right on and cuts down drastically on the "back-steer" or "bump
steer".

We went through the tire deal a while ago, sounds like the radials should help
quite a bit as well. Have you tried looking at your whole steering system
while someone else moves the wheel from side to side? You don't even need to
have it running, just look at all the moving parts when a friend moves the
steering wheel for you, and you might be able to find some of the slop. I've
found loose steering boxes, worn track bar bushings, loose track bar brackets,
etc....

CJ


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:10:08 -0500
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Swap Meet Columbus, OH.

> ----------
> From: Christopher R. Long[SMTP:rob_long bigfoot.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 10:13 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Swap Meet Columbus, OH.
>
> where and when is the swap meet? I'm in Col.
>
> Rob
>
Hi Rob,

I don't have any details. I was told by a few friends that it is a
huge all FORD swap meet happening this weekend, somewhere in Columbus Ohio.

Anyone know the details?

Tracy
Cincinnati, OH



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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:23:53 PST
From: "MARTY COLMAN"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights

I was coming home with a load of lumber in the dark the other night
(with my lights on bright) and after about 10 miles all my lights began
to blink off and on. I dimmed my headlights and from then on the
headlights stayed on constant, but all the other lights blinked off and
on, the entire 60+ miles home. There was no rhyme or reason to the
blinking, not over bumps or stopping or turning. When I stopped on the
side of the road to "check it out" (got underneith and wiggled the light
wires) they were blinking while I was stopped getting my flashlight
before I even got out.

I had a simmilar thing happen once last summer and it turned out to be
the wires at the rear were shorting against the frame. So naturally I
checked that first, but it was okay. Last year I replaced those and
covered them with rubber hose where they go through the frame.

I've been thinking about rewiring my headlights with relays like the
"Whiter Whites and Brighter Brights" tech article on the FTE site.
Would this take care of my problem?

I really appreciate any help at all.

Marty
73 F100
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:24:02 -0800
From: Sean Hess
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oregon Law about Oldies

As an Oregonian, I am super concerned about the proposed law mentioned earlier.
Could the original poster ("Muel"?) please repost the legislative reference
numbers so I can research this bill on the State of Oregon legislative website?

Sean Hess
Portland, Oregon
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:27:50 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: '76 Ford Steering

From: "Daniel Eyk"

I have '76 F-150 with about 53,000 original miles that I constantly have
to be watching and correcting or it will wander all over the road. It
has never been in an accident that would have bent the frame and I knew
the previous owner for most of those years and he took good care of it.
He did put some heavy traction bias ply tires on the back with regular
bias in the front and said it was the worst thing he ever did, but
didn't feel free to change tires as he was retired and had to watch his
money. I plan to replace the tires with radials pretty soon, but was
wondering if there was any other reason that would cause this problem
with wandering? I understand that '76 and '77 Fords had the inverted "y"
steering which left a lot to be desired and have seen a kit advertised
that would convert the steering to the other more desireable type. Any
info or suggestions would be appreciated about this problem.

- - -Daniel Eyk

Daniel,
Congrats on the low mileage truck. Wish I could find one so new. Go for
the new radials they will help. Just make sure you change all 4 at the same
time and DON'T mix types on the same axel. Other things to check are
looseness in the tie rods. Loose or stuck king pins (have they been greased
recently). Worn out rag joint. This last is an easy check. Have someone
rock the steering wheel back and forth with the motor off (no power assist
on the steering) Look under the hood at the steering linkage and see if the
upper part is moving more that the shaft going into the steering box. There
should be a round rubber piece sandwiched in between two pieces of metal.
The rubber is bolted to the upper and lower parts of the shaft and provides
a small amount of flex and isolation in the installation. If the rubber is
gone then the upper shaft's metal plate works on two pins on the lower
assembly. This is the safety backup. The rag joint should still be
available from Ford. BTW is this truck a 2wd or 4wd? And what is "inverted
Y steering"?

Tom H
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:55:32 -0800 (PST)
From: brian michael logan
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights

Marty.

I'm sure the rest of the folks can confirm or deny my theory here. I've a
'67 that started to do the same thing. I was a National Guardsman for
many years and drove from Redding, CA to Sacramento, CA on good old
Interstate 5. It's flat, it's straight and it's boring. Anyway... I was
driving at 3am (trying to make a 5am report) and in the pitch-black
lonliness, my lights went out. And then came back on.

I thought I'd fallen asleep, or closed my eyes, or something. Then they
did it again. No rhyme or reason. Just off and on. It was all the
lights. Dash included. I was fair game for that bored Highway Patrolman
to come and mess with me. Not only fair game, but I was advertising for a
fix-it ticket!

It was a real mind-game for a while. I reached under the dash and the
switch was really warm. I cracked the wind wing to blow cool air on the
dash and after a while it stopped blinking.

An old diesel mechanic friend told me later that the switch had a breaker
or fuse type shutdown in it? When the switch got too hot, it shut down.
And when it cooled sufficiently, it would light back up. That's made
sense to me... I don't know how true it is. I pulled the switch and
installed a new one. No problems since. A good cleaning may have been in
order, but when it comes to electrical..... I don't mess around. I don't
like fires behind my dash. =)



> I was coming home with a load of lumber in the dark the other night
> (with my lights on bright) and after about 10 miles all my lights began
> to blink off and on. I dimmed my headlights and from then on the
>
> I really appreciate any help at all.


_____________________________________________________________________________
B r i a n M i c h a e l L o g a n


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 11:54:42 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pulleys

Matt writes: >>Does anyone know of differences between pulleys / alt / ps pump
on 460s. I tried to find a front shot of a restored 460 to look at ... no
luck.Any info would be welcome!

I ran into this on a couple of different occasions. What I finally did to
resolve the problem, was find a 460 of any vintage, but with all the components
& pulleys intact and looks like they were all working when the vehicle was
wrecked/parked, and got everything (ps pump/bracket/pulley, water pump pulley,
A/C compressor and bracketry, and the alternator/pulley and the crank pulleys
from the same vehicle. (Be sure to get those little aluminum spacers
also.)There must be at least 4 or 5 different combinations of spacing and sizes
of these pulleys, and can be a real pain when trying to mix/match from year to
year or from truck to car.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:48:23 -0800
From: "Brzezinski, Jeff"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Oregon Law about Oldies

It's not often that California has a LESS restrictive law than the
surrounding states, but last year the Smog Laws were changed to EXEMPT
vehicles made before 1974 from Emmisions Checks. This was made possible by
an organized effort of the various Custom, Restorer, and Antique Car groups
here.

The argument was that these vehicles represent only a tiny fraction of the
vehicles on the road. Basicly, if we keep the vehicle running well, and
never get cited as a "Gross-Poluter," we can run any setup we want and not
have to get the vehicle "smogged."

Remember, California used to have the MOST RESTRICTIVE smog laws in the
country. If you Oregonians can start a similar campaign, and point to the
new California law, there's no way That Damn Law will pass.

Jeff
1963 F-250 Utility
Riverside, CA

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From: Sean Hess [mailto:schess gte.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 8:24 AM
To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com'
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oregon Law about Oldies


As an Oregonian, I am super concerned about the proposed law mentioned
earlier.
Could the original poster ("Muel"?) please repost the legislative reference

numbers so I can research this bill on the State of Oregon legislative
website?

Sean Hess
Portland, Oregon
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 09:08:48 -0800
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tampa to Denver, Via Omaha

>From the writings of Colorado Jeff:
>See the SAC museum and spend the night in Cozad, Nebraska.

Hey, CJ. I just have 2 questions. What is the SAC museum, and did you
find any Cozad's in Cozad Nebraska? =)

- --
Matt Cozad
1994 Toyota 4Runner 4x4 "Yoda"
1970 F100 4x4 "Jabba the Truck"
1969 F100 4x4 "Spare Parts"


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:18:40 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Divorced/married

Cannondale writes: >>a divorced transfer case has a small drivehaft from the
tranny to the t-case, i dont remember if it has u-joints or not, but i think it
does. where the tranny has a tube off of it that bolts right into the t-case is
married..

The "divorced" transfer case does indeed have a short driveshaft between the
Transmission and the transfer case and it does have a U-joint at each end, as
well as a "splined slip" joint in it, like all fixed end mount driveshafts do.
The "married" slang is when the transfer case and transmission are mounted
together rigidly by some adapter, and no driveshaft. Any F250/F350 4X4 priotr
to mid '77 will have the divorced transfer case, and I don't know when the
married cases went into production on the F100/F150's, but it was considerably
earlier than the larger trucks. (probably '73, but that is a guess.)

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:22:21 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brakes applied

Martin Miller writes: >> When I put it in D it does'nt move.

Clasic case of partially engaged brakes - goes backwards easily but not forward
without effort. Check all of them, but start in the rear. It is most likely a
parking brake frozen, but it could be other things.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:19:37 -0700
From: Peter J Palmer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 BELT/PULLEY QUESTION

I had a pulley alignment problem with my 79 F250 460. When I replaced
my water pump the pulley would not align with the air conditioner.
Turned out it was a poorly remanufactured unit and had the pulley 1/8 "
too far out in the shaft. Solved the problem by getting a reman from
the Ford dealer. Just something else to look out for...
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 12:13:00 PST
From: "MARTY COLMAN"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - vacuum secondaries not working?

I am working on a friend's old 73 farm pickup with a recently rebuilt
302. It has a Holley 650 (model 4011) with vacuum secondaries. We've
had problems with the carb for years and thought it's about time to
rebuild it. Put a rebuild kit in it, runs much better, but still not
much power. Starts and runs good, no flooding or dieseling, but it just
doesn't feel like a four barrel. Won't even spin the tires on gravel at
25mph. Even when under load (power-braking) the back barrels don't
open.

Took off the housing for secondary diaphram, when I put vacuum to it it
does function properly. There is some vacuum at the port to the
diaphram. Checked several times for vacuum leaks - none found. How
much vacuum is required to operate the diaphram? I haven't check motor
vacuum yet, what is a normal amount of vacuum? How should the reading
react to rpm and load changes? At what point should they open? quick
snap of throttle? only under load?

I appreciate any help, I don't know what to do next.

Marty




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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:14:11 -0800
From: "James A. Doty"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights

Hi there:

Last year I was driving to my dad's place near Spokane early in the evening.
Mine did
the same thing. The Switch was warm to the touch. I ended up driving to my
dad's using
just my fog lights. When I got there I turned the head lights back on and they
continually
blinked on and off just sitting in the drive way.

Replacing the head light switch corrected the problem.


> > I was coming home with a load of lumber in the dark the other night
> > (with my lights on bright) and after about 10 miles all my lights began
> > to blink off and on. I dimmed my headlights and from then on the
> >
> > I really appreciate any help at all.
>
> _____________________________________________________________________________
> B r i a n M i c h a e l L o g a n
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 15:10:58 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Anybody here know the torque spec for FE rocker arm shafts??

According to 76 truck manual: 40-45ft.lbs.
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:52:31 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Auto/Manual

Forwarded for: "J.S.H."

"Can anyone tell me what kind of work is involved in converting a 78-79
4x4 automatic transmission to a manual transmission?"

"The hardest part is going to be changing the brake pedal for the
brake/clutch assy. In looking at the brake/clutch assy I have out, it
looks like the steering col is going to have to come completely out to
g*t it in."

I converted my 76 F-250 4x4.On a 76 you don't have to remove the
column to install the pedals,but I did tear into the column to
remove the shift tube and change the collar to a manaul one.
When I did mine I didn't have to drill a single hole it was just a
matter of bolting every thing together.It is quite a project tho.

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:00:54 -0500
From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - torque spec

Drew,

According to my manuals the Valve Rocker Shaft Support to Cylinder Head
torque reading should be between 40-45 ft/lbs.

- -Ted
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Drew Beatty
To: 'Ford Truck List'
Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 10:12 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - torque spec


> Anybody here know the torque spec for FE rocker arm shafts??
>
> TIA,
>
> Drew Beatty
> dcbeatty rmi.net
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:25:32 -0500
From: "Matthew Schwartz"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: '76 Ford Steering

Try replacing the king pins..solved my 76 F250 Wandering problem.

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:41:02 -0500
From: Joe Delaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ask again Radiator support

Anybody know or point me in the direction of who might, I'm trying
to find out if a 73-77 Radiator support will work in a 67-72 truck??
In the salvage yard they look almost alike?????Would Ford be any help?
Joe
68 4x4 390
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 16:46:18 -0800
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Master Cylinders

Can anyone tell me if brake master cylinders are interchangeable between
drum systems and front discs/back drum systems? I have a 73 F350 parts
truck with front discs/back drums and I want to put its master cylinder on
my truck which has drums all around and a leaky master cylinder.
They look the same but is there any safety issue in swapping them? Dont
want to swap them and then run someone over cause my brakes quit :-)

Sparky
73F250 4x4
390FE 2v

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:44:59 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Divorced/married

i had a '74 f100 and it had the married transfer case with a np203, so at
least then..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 12:27 PM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Cannondale writes: >>a divorced transfer case has a small drivehaft from the
>tranny to the t-case, i dont remember if it has u-joints or not, but i
think it
>does. where the tranny has a tube off of it that bolts right into the
t-case is
>married..
>
>The "divorced" transfer case does indeed have a short driveshaft between the
>Transmission and the transfer case and it does have a U-joint at each end, as
>well as a "splined slip" joint in it, like all fixed end mount driveshafts
do.
>The "married" slang is when the transfer case and transmission are mounted
>together rigidly by some adapter, and no driveshaft. Any F250/F350 4X4
priotr
>to mid '77 will have the divorced transfer case, and I don't know when the
>married cases went into production on the F100/F150's, but it was
considerably
>earlier than the larger trucks. (probably '73, but that is a guess.)
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:54:47 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Back again

Forwarded for: My427Stang aol.com

Well, after a downloaded virus, my email is up and running again, hopefully
the list didnt kick me off due to *nsendable email. If anyone knows if I need
to do something, let me know. I havent seen any in the past day, not sure if
you guys are busy spending tax returns, or I am just out of the click

Talk to you soon - Ross


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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 1999 07:55:50 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 - Rings

Well, ive just got my 460 back from the machine shop, they bored it .030
over, ground and polished the crank, and put the rods on my new kb pistons
(i love to brag), and got new cam bearings and freeze plugs in, all for
$148. Now comes my part, putting it back togethor, i ordered a set of
chrom-moly rings from summit, and need to put them in next. I've heard ppl
talk about gapping the rings, what does that mean and how do you do it?
The only rings ive been it was brigs & stratton, so...

oh yea, if somebody had the complete pulley and bracket set up for a truck
for a 460 (including a/c compressor york style)and are willing to sell,
tell me, ive yet to find one..

thanx,
cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460


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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:54:13 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - blinking headlights

In a message dated 3/30/99 6:21:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jamesd1 uswest.net writes:

> When I got there I turned the head lights back on and they
> continually
> blinked on and off just sitting in the drive way.
>
> Replacing the head light switch corrected the problem.
>
CJ:

This sounds like what you described in your travels?? How about sharing the
"zip tie" trick??

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:04:00 -0500
From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Master Cylinders

I could be wrong, but I believe the only difference is in the proportioning
valve.

- -Ted
- ----- Original Message -----
From:
To:
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 1999 7:46 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Master Cylinders


> Can anyone tell me if brake master cylinders are interchangeable between
> drum systems and front discs/back drum systems? I have a 73 F350 parts
> truck with front discs/back drums and I want to put its master cylinder on
> my truck which has drums all around and a leaky master cylinder.
> They look the same but is there any safety issue in swapping them? Dont
> want to swap them and then run someone over cause my brakes quit :-)
>
> Sparky
> 73F250 4x4
> 390FE 2v
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:08:45 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ask again Radiator support

In a message dated 3/30/99 7:44:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, shoman p3.net
writes:

> Anybody know or point me in the direction of who might, I'm trying
> to find out if a 73-77 Radiator support will work in a 67-72 truck??
> In the salvage yard they look almost alike?????Would Ford be any help?

Joe:
Someone had a thread about this awhile ago. They said all you had to do was
drill some holes to retro a 73-79 onto a 67-72. Tony Marino was that you???
I never had two of them side by side to compare. This doesn't answer your
question, but I didn't want you to think no one was listening.......

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:20:32 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ask again Radiator support

Actually, I'm the dude that's done the 73-77 TO 78+79 grill swap, and vice
versa (for the opposite core supports)-- I have a '72 core support in my
garage right now, and have to ship out a '78 one to "wish" here soon, so I
can check it out this weekend while I have both of them side by side-- I
will say this though-- the one looks like it bows back farther than the
other if memmory serves me correctly.. I'll find out for ya.

Tony
tony pscico.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony

>Someone had a thread about this awhile ago. They said all you had to do was
>drill some holes to retro a 73-79 onto a 67-72. Tony Marino was that you???
>I never had two of them side by side to compare. This doesn't answer your
>question, but I didn't want you to think no one was listening.......
>
>~~Thom B~~
>1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 19:27:28 -0600
From: "Freewheel"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - torque spec

According to the '75 Ford factory service manual they should be torqued to
40 -- 45 Ft-Lbs
Hope this is what you were looking for
Larry

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From: Drew Beatty
To: 'Ford Truck List'
Sent: Monday, March 29, 1999 9:12 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - torque spec


> Anybody here know the torque spec for FE rocker arm shafts??
>
> TIA,
>
> Drew Beatty
> dcbeatty rmi.net
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:53:03 -0500
From: Joe Delaurentis
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ask again Radiator support

Tony,

so are the 73-77's differnt from the 78-79's too?????

Joe
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:14:47 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 76 Ford Steering

Daniel,
I had a 79 Ford that wandered and I was constantly adjusting the steering
wheel. Of course the Ford dealer said that there was nothing that could be
done. Wrong! I took it to a place that had a great reputation for doing
front ends on all makes. They told me that Fords with Twin "I" Beam
suspension are notorious for this. Since I had power steering, he
recommended that the caster be set at the high end of the tolerance abour
5.75 degrees. He claimed that the only difference that I would notice,
since I had power stering, would be turn at slow speeds. He was right!
The higher caster let it go down the road and track without even touching
the wheel. I noticed a little more resistance when turning at slow speeds;
but with P/S, it was no sweat. It made a truck that was a constant
anoiyance into something that was liveable. It was worth every penny and I
recommend it be done immediately. Good luck and keep us informed.
Tim
352 F100 SWB
3 speed, P/S and O.D.
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:13:44 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering Adjustments question

Looking at my Mustang, it is quite clear how camber, caster and toe-in is
adjusted.
on my Truck, I can only figure out toe-in.
How do they adjust the others?
-srw

Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang
'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
'65 F100

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 20:43:40 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Personal Choice

>
> do they read, take our property without permission or compensation
> because they don't like how long it's lasted.
> Trust me. The War of Northern Aggression is not over. They're still
> taking our property by force in their typical arrogant mockery of being
> of and for the people. What they don't know, but will soon find out,
> We're regrouping! We're just taking our time, doin' it right.

The point as you have so eloquently pointed out the arrogance of those
who wish to take all options away fron the individual, and expect all to
live by the credo of Marx and Hegel. Rugged Individualism (and what's
more ruggedly individualistic than a Ford truck?) is what made our
country great, not Conformity. The concept of enthusiasm for anything
but their perverted social ideals is totally foreign to many of these
prostylizers.

Personal freedom is secondary to the goal of leveling the social system
and putting in place something that doesn't allow greatness and
fortitude to rise from the top, but instead will allow the self-serving
to rule. In this they are taking away the direction of collective
individual drive and turning the reins over to a committee who wishes
only to maintain their control.

Our trucks and our enthusiam of the genre is a personal freedom. We
shouldn't be forced to park them, while the coal plant down the road
belches literally tons per minute of sulphur into the air. And, much
higher in the atmosphere than auto emmissions will ever go. The old
high high colonic in the sky. Go down to the Mississippi River south of
Saint Louis a little bit, and see what's being pumped into Saint Louis'
private sewer.(or should I say Monsanto's) You don't dare eat the
fish, even here 150 miles south. This is wrong.

We're all for good air and water, if you aren't you're misguided. But
taking the one percent of vehicles older than 1980 off of the road isn't
going to effect the environment at all. And it will be just another
step down the road that European/Asian politisc went down in the '30's.
Soon it'll be Farenheit 451 brought to life.
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 18:42:40 -0800
From: Jake and Dee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Serial numbers

I seen a while back someone on the list that was able to decode numbers
off of engines.I have a friend with a problem.He needs to know the year
of his 302.He has given me his numbers from the engine.On the intake
manifold the number he found was D5DE-9425-6A.On the block he found
4G31Y and on another metal plate bolted to the block he found 4629. Can
anyone help us out with finding the year of the 302 he has.

Jake in B.C.
65 250 camper special
Flat Black and still going
351c

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:54:12 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ask again Radiator support

Yes, but only minorly-- they have different sized radiator hole openings
(78+79 are larger) and where the bolt holes are drilled with those prefab
nuts welded onto the support for the headlight brakets are the only
differences. With the proper drill bit, and a spacer plate for a smaller
radiator in a larger hole, both can be used interchangeably for 73-79. 8-)

Tony
tony pscico.com
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At 08:53 PM 3/30/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Tony,
>
>so are the 73-77's differnt from the 78-79's too?????
>
>Joe
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 21:54:36 -0500
From: "Phil"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - steering column question

>but I did tear into the column to remove the shift tube and change the
collar to a >manaul one.
my 66 has the 3 speed manual column, I want to get rid of the shifter and it
has bad bearings, I took the column out of my 69 parts truck, it is 4 speed
with good bearings and it won't bolt up to dash. my question is can I take
everything out of the 69 and put it in the 66 including column or would it
just be easier to fabricate the dash bracket to bolt the 69 into it.

Phil Beattie
66 F100 390 C6
66 F100 (no drivetrain)
79 F250 4x4 400

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:34:45 EST
From: DPaitz aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum secondaries not working?

I had the same problem with a 390 I rebuilt and put in my 79 4x4. I know a 390
doesn't belong in a 79 but I had it available and it was better than the 300
straight six. anyway, I tried several things as well, finally gave up and
bought an Edelbrock 650 cfm. This solved a ton of my problems, as I was having
flooding and heat/boiling problems also. I guess I don't have an answer to
what to try, but its a heck of a way to solve it.
P.S. I have a rebuilt 750 Holley w/ vacuum secondaries for sale
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 22:08:30 -0600
From: Stu Varner
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stu's impetus

At 05:49 AM 3/30/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Deacon wrote:
>
>
> Stu, my man. Z truck is looking good! ;] To think this all started
>trying to find a rattle. :) Or was it the headlight needed changing and
>you started removing it from the wrong end.
>
>
>Deacon, it is a tragic lesson in what happens when one loses the key to the
>locking gas cap.
>
>Jim E.
>

hehehehehehehe Stop it already!!! You guys are killing me!
Here's the poop! I just tried to change spark plugs one day and.......

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 23:28:21 -0500
From: Dan Herrmann
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Columbus Spring Swap

FYI: Just a quick reminder to all you Mid-West FTE's that the ALL-FORD
"Columbus Spring Swap" in Columbus, Ohio is coming up this weekend! The
Swap will be from 9a.m. to 6p.m. on Saturday the 3rd and from 9-4 on Sunday
the 4th. It is held at the Ohio Expo Center at I71 & 17th Ave.

4 Buildings & 9 Acres of parts, and yes there is Many Truck Items to be had
at this one. I was in the dog house for 2 weeks after last years show when
the wife saw how much I spent! Just too many deals to pass up and two many
project trucks to buy for. By the way, they also have a Car Corral with
many F's for sale. Just don't expect to find any as nice as Stu's with a
"For Sale" sign in it.....


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