61-79-list-digest Tuesday, March 30 1999 Volume 03 : Number 108



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Oregon Law Proposed.
FTE 61-79 - Smokin' a C4
FTE 61-79 - Manual release of parking brake
FTE 61-79 - Auto to Manual trany conversion...
FTE 61-79 - Hood Locks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Hood Locks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Oregon Law Proposed.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Smokin' a C4
Re: FTE 61-79 - Williams FE390 rebuild
FTE 61-79 - Non-Ford Content
FTE 61-79 - '76 Ford Steering
FTE 61-79 - Overdrive Transmissions
Re: FTE 61-79 - '76 Ford Steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Web Page updated
Re: FTE 61-79 - How to build horsepower with a 460?
Re: FTE 61-79 - '76 Ford Steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Auto to Manual trany conversion...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Non-Ford Content
Re: FTE 61-79 - Williams FE390 rebuild
FTE 61-79 - Vaccuum Gauge.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Vaccuum Gauge.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Auto to Manual trany conversion...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Auto to Manual trany conversion...
FTE 61-79 - 460 BELT/PULLEY QUESTION
Re: FTE 61-79 - Vaccuum Gauge.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Auto to Manual trany conversion...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Smokin' a C4
Re: FTE 61-79 - Auto to Manual trany conversion...
FTE 61-79 - Testing a parking brake....
FTE 61-79 - Tampa to Denver, Via Omaha
FTE 61-79 - Oops, wrong list.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tampa to Denver, Via Omaha
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tampa to Denver, Via Omaha
FTE 61-79 - torque spec
Re: FTE 61-79 - Testing a parking brake....
Re: FTE 61-79 - How to build horsepower with a 460?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tampa to Denver, Via Omaha
Re: FTE 61-79 - Intake Tips?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Motel Pigeon Forge
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tampa to Denver, Via Omaha
Re: FTE 61-79 - Auto to Manual trany conversion...
FTE 61-79 - wiring diagram

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 02:35:34 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Oregon Law Proposed.

From: Chris Samuel
>Please go back and read my original post again.

>"Beginning January 1, 2010, prohibits department from registering
>>ANY
> motor vehicle manufactured before 1981 unless it is antique or vehicle
> of special interest or meets certain emission standards."

Do you have any suggestions on what we can do Muel? I'm as
concerned as you are on this Bro. I would like to know where in;

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect
union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the
common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of
liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this
Constitution for the United States of America.

do they read, take our property without permission or compensation
because they don't like how long it's lasted.
Trust me. The War of Northern Aggression is not over. They're still
taking our property by force in their typical arrogant mockery of being
of and for the people. What they don't know, but will soon find out,
We're regrouping! We're just taking our time, doin' it right.


Later!

Deacon
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 05:21:46 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Smokin' a C4

Funny thing happened the other day!
I was driving my '73 F100 302 C4 the day before yesterday when the
trans let out a loud yelp and began slipping like a bad dog. I pulled
over and let it cool down a bit then limped it to the house. It didn't
make anymore noise but all three gears continued to slip. It felt like
driving a big boat with a little prop. Lots of engine but slow to go.
Hey, I knew it was toast so I didn't worry about causing more damage. :]
External inspection revealed trans fluid as dark as motor oil from a
Chevy engine. Second was the presents of trans fluid in the vacuum
modulator. This trans has never given me any problems. There was no
indication of a problem. Prior fluid checks showed normal to the point I
was going to change the fluid and filter (slight discoloration no fluid
loss). Shifted from 1st to 2nd to 3rd solid right up to the time it
fried. Any thoughts on it's failure? I plan to rebuild it. If I rebuild
it in the motel do you think it will nominate me to the FTE Hall of
Fame? :) Good bathtub (not mine) clean environment. May cost me a
marriage but to be honest, she's not all that pleased with me anyway. :]
Stu, my man. Z truck is looking good! ;] To think this all started
trying to find a rattle. :) Or was it the headlight needed changing and
you started removing it from the wrong end. Good
work Tony at getting this old man computin'. You can't teach an old dog
new tricks, but a good walker and determined youth makes a good
appearance. Is it true that the computer was payment for an "A" Stu gave
you when he was your 6th grade teacher? Dennis may get vehicles from his
students but I think Stu's long term student loans comes out to more. ",

Later!

Deacon
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 06:01:40 PST
From: "MARTY COLMAN"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Manual release of parking brake

It sounds like your cable has froze up. The only way to get it free is
to "pull" from the other side. To do that you would need to take off
the drum and use a prybar to pry the bracket that the cable hooks to.
Pry it to the rear so more of the cable is pulled out. Most likely you
will need to do it to both sides, do it to one and see if that does it.

The next time you use your parking brake it will do the same thing. If
you want to use the parking brake you will need to replace the cable
that is rusted up. There are three separate cables; one from the brake
lever that splits into one to each rear wheel. Generally the bad one
(or more) is one that goes to the wheels. Most just replace all three.
You can get them from any parts store or several catalogs.
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:12:06 -0500
From: Rob Long
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Auto to Manual trany conversion...

Can anyone tell me what kind of work is involved in converting a 78-79
4x4 automatic transmission to a manual transmission?
- --
Rob

mailto:rob_long bigfoot.com

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:16:20 -0600 (CST)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hood Locks

Howdy!

First of all let me thank everyone for their input on my exhaust
leak. I still don't know what is causing it but first thing this weekend
I am looking into some of the recommendations the group made.
I am currently looking for a hood lock for my 63 F100. I have
found some that are made for Jeeps, but I am not sure if they will work.
Has anyone ever tried installing one of these locks on their truck? Has
anyone seen any other type of hood locks that out are in the market right
now? I want to keep away from the old chain and lock.

Thanks in advance.

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 08:50:24 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Hood Locks

>Has anyone ever tried installing one of these locks on their truck? Has
>anyone seen any other type of hood locks that out are in the market right
>now? I want to keep away from the old chain and lock.
>

I had a hood lock, ignition kill switch on my 82 GT that worked well (until
some doof at a repair shop disconnected the kill part of it, still locked
the hood though. There was also an article on these in Mustang Monthly a
couple of years ago, basically you used some long screws and screwed part
of it into the hood and part of it into the radiator support. Then under
the dash you mounted a cylinder that took a key looking something like that
for a bike lock or pop machine.. (soda in some parts of the country :) ...
This is what I would look into personally, unfortunately I can't provide
any brand names or anything, you might check with your local customizing
shops, they may know of some ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 07:23:03 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Oregon Law Proposed.

Thanks for your message at 02:35 AM 3/29/99 -0800, Deacon. Your message was:
>do they read, take our property without permission or compensation
>because they don't like how long it's lasted.
> Trust me. The War of Northern Aggression is not over. They're still
>taking our property by force in their typical arrogant mockery of being
>of and for the people. What they don't know, but will soon find out,
>We're regrouping! We're just taking our time, doin' it right.
>
>
>Later!
>
Rejoice!
The Counter Culture is still alive. It's just in different places (like
FTE)...



Dennis L. Pearson

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 07:27:38 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Smokin' a C4

Thanks for your message at 05:21 AM 3/29/99 -0800, Deacon. Your message was:
> . Is it true that the computer was payment for an "A" Stu gave
>you when he was your 6th grade teacher? Dennis may get vehicles from his
>students but I think Stu's long term student loans comes out to more. ",
>
It's just too bad Mustangs aren't Ford Trucks, so I could bring some of
that to this group...I'm really liking that formerly student-owned Stang!

Not as much as my Ford Trucks, though...(phew!!! Just got that in before I
got flamed for off-topic posting...)



Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 09:38:12 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Williams FE390 rebuild

> William, I was interested in your FE rebuild so I checked out your article.
> Sounds like big fun and I think that will be a nice cam, but a couple things
> caught my eye. I hope you don't mind I quoted a bit of your article...
>
Nope, no problem there, its there for everyone to learn from ...

>>to have them checked out. While they were in there they got several new
>springs, >guides, and seats,
>>hardened on the exhaust side.
>
>and:
>> Manufacturer: Melling
>> Cam Lift .296 .311 (intake/exhaust)
>> Valve Lift .512 .538
>> SAE Duration 292/302
>> 0.050 Duration 214/224
>> Lobe Centers 104/120
>
> The phrases "several new valve springs" and "Valve lift .512 .538" seem
> incompatable to me. FE valve springs are pretty soft to start with, and
> used ones are going to be worse still. .512/.538 is quite a bit of lift
> and I don't think even a new stock set of FE springs are going to be very
> happy with it. Does your cam tag list recommended spring pressures?
>
The tag actually did not list the recommended spring pressures. However
this weekend I was taping up one head to paint, and unwrapping the other.
Looks like all the valve springs are new now. Originally he'd just
replaced a couple, but when I took them back he must have refitted them
all. It also looks like there is a second spring on the inside of the
outer ones, I'll have to dig through the receipts again, but it looks like
maybe he put in some heavier new springs on all of them. I suppose I could
call him to check on this for sure.


> You mentioned that you're using taller pistons to get better compression
> and you've got more valve lift, did you check your piston to valve clearances
> with clay or something? Remember that you not only have more valve lift, but
> more duration means that the valve is also farther open when the piston is
> at or near TDC. It always give me the warm and fuzzies to check the clearance
> with an unknown cam/piston combination even if the specs aren't too wild.
> Sometimes better safe than sorry...
>
Always a good point. I have the heads on, but haven't thrown the rocker
shaft or anything on yet (still need the intake manifold), though for
testing purposes I could probably put it on without the manifold for a hand
turn. The pistons I am using are for an older 390, they are not anything
too radical either. The cam however seems to have specs quite a bit bigger
than anything that was stock. Will turning it by hand actually work with
hydraulic lifters though ? there's an odd thought ...


>> I used some plasti-gauge and checked all the mains,
>>they were all right at .020" which is high acco rding to Steve Christ's book,
>
> I'm going to assume this is a typo and you mean .002"? .020" would be rather
> excessive. .002" is a little outside the spec, but should be just fine.
> That's about what I got when I rebuilt mine and it's got 53K miles on it
> now and doing just fine.
>
That makes me feel a lot better, yes I'm sure its a typo, didnt have the
specs in front of me and probably didn't hit the 0 key enough times :)

> Did I see a new oil pump in your list of goodies? If not it should be
there...
>
No, its not listed, but there is one sitting on the bench :) Nothing
special about it, just a stock replacement pump from Melling.

Thanks for the hints on the cam/piston and the info on the clearances, I
feel a lot better knowing that motor will last a while.


Thanks,
wish
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 12:48:55 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Non-Ford Content

>
> What really strikes me is the lack of tolerance. This entire issue would
> have gone away in a day or two if everyone was a little more tolerant. Also
> list members who write the list administrator to complain about such a thing
> I have no good words for except it is really petty.
>
> This weekend I went to a local Goodguys show and kept track of all the Fords
> that have Fords in them and all the Fords that have another manufactures
> engine. Guess what, of 12 pre 1960 trucks 8 had non Ford motors of 27 pre
> 60's cars 19 had non Ford motors (I decided a Hemi looks good in anything).
>
> The bigotry exhibited by some list members in the last week appalls me. I
> am reluctant to be associated with it in any form. So if anyone is
> interested in an all Ford 51 F-1, I am seriously considering selling mine.


Am I on the wrong list here? Bigotry, Intolerance? Are we talking
about trucks or interracial marriage?

I've put together stuff of all makes myself, and yeah Brand X's are
cheaper to build. Big deal. What's a couple or three hundred dollars
over 100,000 miles? I'd rather build a Ford and keep my rig with some
semblance of originality. Do you mean to tell me that it's too hard or
expensive to to screw together a 302 or 351 W and put it in a '56? I
guess I shouldn't talk about the time I shoehorned a 440 into a
Valiant, eh?
A '57 to '60?, please, you could fit anything in there. Cost? If
you're paying someone to do anything it will cost, why can't the builber
use Ford parts, just the same? Because building with Ford parts isn't
like stamping out cookies that's why. Right down to it, when you're
fabricating there's not that much more time in adapting one or the
other.

As for what we all do to our rigs, it's only our business. No one's
going to come and rip our wiring out for putting in a Chevy motor. But
just don't expect the Ken to publish a tech article on how to do it.
That's fair enough to me.
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:28:18 PST
From: "Daniel Eyk"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '76 Ford Steering

I have '76 F-150 with about 53,000 original miles that I constantly have
to be watching and correcting or it will wander all over the road. It
has never been in an accident that would have bent the frame and I knew
the previous owner for most of those years and he took good care of it.
He did put some heavy traction bias ply tires on the back with regular
bias in the front and said it was the worst thing he ever did, but
didn't feel free to change tires as he was retired and had to watch his
money. I plan to replace the tires with radials pretty soon, but was
wondering if there was any other reason that would cause this problem
with wandering? I understand that '76 and '77 Fords had the inverted "y"
steering which left a lot to be desired and have seen a kit advertised
that would convert the steering to the other more desireable type. Any
info or suggestions would be appreciated about this problem.

- -Daniel Eyk

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:34:57 PST
From: "Daniel Eyk"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Overdrive Transmissions

Is there any automatic overdrive transmission that would either bolt up
to my '76 390 f-150 2 wheeldrive, or would there be a transmission
adapter that would allow the use of an AOD transmission? How hard would
it be to adapt a newer AOD to my truck and which would be a good choice?

- -Daniel Eyk

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:37:02 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '76 Ford Steering

>wondering if there was any other reason that would cause this problem
>with wandering? I understand that '76 and '77 Fords had the inverted "y"
>steering which left a lot to be desired and have seen a kit advertised
>that would convert the steering to the other more desireable type. Any
>info or suggestions would be appreciated about this problem.
>

You might also want to check the tie rods and ball joints, if these get
loose they will cause the truck to wander as well. If you have oversized
tires that are bias ply, a lot of your wander might be in those by
themselves...




Just my 2cents

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:37:54 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Web Page updated

Hey Stu, your pages look really good! Makin me want to keep tearin my
truck down while I'm doin the engine swap ... but I won't, I'll be good :)

Keep us posted! :)


Just my 2cents

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 11:55:49 -0800 (PST)
From: JP Morgon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How to build horsepower with a 460?

Lunati makes a 512 kit that will run you about $2500. You do need a
specific block though that can handle being bored so far over. Find a
copy of Popular Hot Rodding March 96, they build one.


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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 13:16:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '76 Ford Steering

Daniel wrote:
> I have '76 F-150 with about 53,000 original miles that I constantly have
> to be watching and correcting or it will wander all over the road. It
> has never been in an accident that would have bent the frame and I knew
> the previous owner for most of those years and he took good care of it.
> He did put some heavy traction bias ply tires on the back with regular
> bias in the front and said it was the worst thing he ever did, but
> didn't feel free to change tires as he was retired and had to watch his
> money. I plan to replace the tires with radials pretty soon, but was
> wondering if there was any other reason that would cause this problem
> with wandering? I understand that '76 and '77 Fords had the inverted "y"

In addition to Bill's suggestion of checking tie rod ends, make sure
your kingpins are well lubed and not partly frozen. If they will
accept grease thru the fitting, they're probably OK, but lube them a
couple times over a few days too see if things improve. If you can't
get any grease in there, then start with the penetrating oil. If you
end up having to replace them, see Steve Delanty's press at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/tools/

Kingpins, frozen or not, can be really tough to remove ...
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Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:09:58 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Auto to Manual trany conversion...

Rob Long wrote:
>
> Can anyone tell me what kind of work is involved in converting a 78-79
> 4x4 automatic transmission to a manual transmission?
> --
> Rob
>

I haven't done it, but I have all the parts for it. I bought na extar
T-18/NP205 and the guy gave me the parts to convert to man, as he had
just converted to manual.

The hardest part is going to be changing the brake pedal for the
brake/clutch assy. In looking at the brake/clutch assy I have out, it
looks like the steering col is going to have to come completely out to
get it in. The only other 2 things that might be a little work is
bolting on the fulcrum for the mech clutch linkage (bolts to motor and
frame) and cutting the hole for the man trans shifter. Should be a big
plate where trans case shift lever comes through. You can take it to cut
the hole after you mark it.

Oops, almost forgot, transfer case mating tube (this is called a
divorced transfer case, I think??) is different between auto and manual
trans, so you will need that also.

OX
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:12:49 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Non-Ford Content

> No one's going to come and rip our wiring out for putting in a Chevy >motor. But just don't expect the Ken to publish a tech article on how >to do it. That's fair enough to me.

Amen to that!!!

OX
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 14:56:25 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Williams FE390 rebuild

>The tag actually did not list the recommended spring pressures. However
>this weekend I was taping up one head to paint, and unwrapping the other.
>Looks like all the valve springs are new now. Originally he'd just
>replaced a couple, but when I took them back he must have refitted them
>all. It also looks like there is a second spring on the inside of the
>outer ones,

Stock FE springs have a built in "damper" spring wound out of flat
spring stock. It's there to reduce spring surge. Is this the inner
spring you see? Or is yours a genuine spring wound out of round wire?

>I'll have to dig through the receipts again, but it looks like
>maybe he put in some heavier new springs on all of them. I suppose I could
>call him to check on this for sure.

Yes, by all means check with him. Find out what the spring rates are for
the springs he installed. Find out what is recommended for that cam.
I really think that cam could easily be a problem for the stock spongy
FE springs. I could be wrong, but I'd check into it a bit more before
I got everything together. Weak springs can be destructive at high
RPM's. It beats the hell out of valves and seats and cam and lifters.
I can also let the lifters pump up and keep valves from shutting fully
at high RPM which burns valves and seats quickly.

>turn. The pistons I am using are for an older 390, they are not anything
>too radical either. The cam however seems to have specs quite a bit bigger
>than anything that was stock. Will turning it by hand actually work with
>hydraulic lifters though ? there's an odd thought ...

No, the hydraulics will leak down while you are checking.
I use a hydraulic lifter that has been drained of oil so the
plunger can easily be pushed down to the bottom of the bore.
I took a spare pushrod and cut it in half, then ran a tap down both
halves. I took a short piece of all-thread and screwed it into the
2 pushrod halves so I had a pushrod who's length I could adjust by
screwing the 2 halves together or apart. Assemble the motor with
the adjustable pushrod, and adjust it so the lifter bottoms out and
all the play is taken out of the valve train. Roll the motor over
2 full revolutions then slip the pushrod and lifters out and put them
in the other valve on that cylinder, adjust out the play again and
roll 2 more turns. Remove the head and measure the thickness of the clay
and the thinnest point. I usually just check one cylinder on each bank
of a V-8 unless the measurements are very close to the limit.

>> Did I see a new oil pump in your list of goodies? If not it should be
>there...
>>
>No, its not listed, but there is one sitting on the bench :) Nothing
>special about it, just a stock replacement pump from Melling.

Good!

Steve
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:04:42 -0800 (PST)
From: brian michael logan
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vaccuum Gauge.

In a past post, someone mentioned a dash-mounted vaccuum gauge?

My Napa parts house gave me a dumb look when I asked for one. He showed
me a hand-held version.

It was mentioned that vaccuum was a way to determine poor mileage habits
from good habits. I guess I want to see how my truck performs under load
and other driving conditions. It's the price 'o gas thing again. Latest
report.... $1.76/gal of 87octane.

Anyone have any good sources for gauges and the like?

...and yes, I'm too concerned about how my truck looks so don't suggest
running the hand-held up through the hood and using duct tape to secure it
to the windshield. =)

Brian Logan
'67 F-100 240i6
'68 F-100 300i6


_____________________________________________________________________________
B r i a n M i c h a e l L o g a n


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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 15:27:55 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vaccuum Gauge.

Doncha' just love the quality of some of the people these parts houses hire?
Anyway PAW has several different types/styles from in-dash to surface mount
starting at about $22.00.

Call 'em at (818) 678-3000.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

- -----Original Message-----
From: brian michael logan
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 3:07 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vaccuum Gauge.


>
>
>My Napa parts house gave me a dumb look when I asked for one. He showed
>me a hand-held version.
>
>It was mentioned that vaccuum was a way to determine poor mileage habits
>from good habits. I guess I want to see how my truck performs under load
>and other driving conditions. It's the price 'o gas thing again. Latest
>report.... $1.76/gal of 87octane.
>
>Anyone have any good sources for gauges and the like?
>



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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:24:33 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Long"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Auto to Manual trany conversion...

Thanks for the info OX,
I'm still deciding whether I want to get myself in that deep..... I'm still
looking for a truck that already has a manual trans. but those seem to be
hard to find at the moment. I may have to bite the bullet and get an auto.
and do the change over myself.

Rob
rob_long bigfoot.com

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:34:13 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Auto to Manual trany conversion...

Christopher R. Long wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info OX,
> I'm still deciding whether I want to get myself in that deep..... I'm still
> looking for a truck that already has a manual trans. but those seem to be
> hard to find at the moment. I may have to bite the bullet and get an auto.
> and do the change over myself.
>

Where are you located? Looking for Bronc or pickup?

OX
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:51:15 -0500
From: "Matthew Schwartz"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 BELT/PULLEY QUESTION

OK guys, another question about my "70something" truck project.

Background... I bought a 77 Ford F250 Supercab with a 302 /4 speed. The 77
truck engine/tranny combo was not original and needless to say a bit under
powered. Last fall I purchased a 78 F250 Supercab with a 460 / C6 as a parts
vehicle. I needed to pull the 460/ C6 tranny out and rebuild both engine and
tranny. During that build I was informed by this list that what I had was a
71 Lincoln block and 74 passenger car heads. UG! - I had already purchased
the 78 PAW Engine kit. I was also informed I had a 76 C6. Now you know why I
call it my "70something" project!

Still no major foul yet. Then last week I had the original "flex plate to
crank" bolts extend into the original block. Washers solved the problem but
proved to me that 460 cranks are not identical. Now I have run into my next
problem which I suspect is related to the crank.

My pulleys from the crank and water pump do not align properly. I suspect
that the new crank with the original harmonic balancer has placed the crank
pulley a bit off. Perhaps my new 78 style waterpump has caused a upper
pulley shift. In any case, they do not align properly, nor do they align
well with the power steering pump and alternator. I can put the belts on but
I suspect that the alignment will cause premature belt wear or even pulley
bearing damage.

Does anyone know of differences between pulleys / alt / ps pump on 460s. I
tried to find a front shot of a restored 460 to look at ... no luck.
Any info would be welcome!

Thanks


Matt

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 19:54:51 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Vaccuum Gauge.

>In a past post, someone mentioned a dash-mounted vaccuum gauge?
>My Napa parts house gave me a dumb look when I asked for one. He showed
>me a hand-held version.

Summit Racing (catalog) carries a wide variety of quality gauges that
include vaccuums from numerous manufacturers... I would suggest an
Autometer one personally, just because that's what I run and in my '78 and
they've been shaken, beat, smacked, and still work great! 8-)

Tony
tony pscico.com
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Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 19:15:43 -0600
From: "Norm ..AKA Da Horse"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Auto to Manual trany conversion...

Rob I have done this swap twice! What OX said seemed pretty accurate from
my memory! Words of advice! Get a complete stick / transfercase combo to
use for the bolt in! The output shaft on the autos and sticks are different
which will require you to pull the input gear out of the case and replace
with a gear that matches the 4spd spline! This isn't a really hard thing to
do but for the little bit of extra trouble ya might as well get a complete
setup from the beginning! And of course you will have drive shaft
modifications! At least we did in the two I did! Hope this helps! Norm







>Thanks for the info OX,
>I'm still deciding whether I want to get myself in that deep..... I'm still
>looking for a truck that already has a manual trans. but those seem to be
>hard to find at the moment. I may have to bite the bullet and get an auto.
>and do the change over myself.
>
>Rob
>rob_long bigfoot.com
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:31:49 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Smokin' a C4

> Good
>work Tony at getting this old man computin'. You can't teach an old dog
>new tricks, but a good walker and determined youth makes a good
>appearance.

Yeah, I saw this decrepid old fart with all these near perfect parts that
needed a good home and a swap had to be in order... Thank god I pick Anal
Retentive friends because the stuff that ain't good enough for them is
plenty fine with me!!! 8-)

>Is it true that the computer was payment for an "A" Stu gave
>you when he was your 6th grade teacher?

Let's just say a little vaseline was involved-- right Stu?! (hehehhehe)
Nahh, part of the FTE group was meeting and helping guys (and gals) out, so
when Stu started talkin' like he needed a computer for summer (and he's too
much of a good guy to get screwed on a computer like many ignorant people
do these days) so I figured hey, I could handle a little vacation time,
why not build the bald fat geezer one that will work for what he needs,
drive down to Tenessee to deliver, and make a good friend in the process. 8-)

Tony
tony pscico.com
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 08:43:51 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Auto to Manual trany conversion...

> Oops, almost forgot, transfer case mating tube (this is called a
>divorced transfer case, I think??) is different between auto and manual
>trans, so you will need that also.

a divorced transfer case has a small drivehaft from the tranny to the
t-case, i dont remember if it has u-joints or not, but i think it does.
where the tranny has a tube off of it that bolts right into the t-case is
married..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460



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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 18:03:39 -0800 (PST)
From: Martin Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Testing a parking brake....

Is there a way to test if the parking brake is applied.

It had been frozen and I released it, so I think. I just bought this
truck last week so I don't know it that well. If I put it in neutral
I can push it, but there is some squeking (applied brake?) When I put
it in R (automatic) is goes back by itself. When I put it in D it
does'nt move. I can't figure out if the brake is still applied a
little or not.

I would appreciate any insight.

Thanks,

Martin
1977 F250 Ranger



_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 21:17:04 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tampa to Denver, Via Omaha

Hey Crew,

Stu had suggested a little "trip report" from the cross country road trip in
the 67....

Day 1: Leave Homosassa, Florida and head to Ocala to drop off my buddy's
rental car. Get lost on way to Ocala in Florida back woods for awhile. Drop
off car and head north up I-75. Pretty uneventful until that afternoon in
southern Georgia where we arrived on the scene of an accident involving a
2-1/2 flatbed truck that had lost its front wheel, bounced across the median,
and wiped out a Caddy headed south....don't know if anyone was hurt, but it
was just a reminder that this kind of thing can happen to anyone,
anytime...Keep heading north, and notice that my front headlights are flashing
on and off irregularly. Luckily, I had remembered that my dad had this problem
years ago and looked under the dash. Sure enough, the light switch on the 67's
can easily fall apart, so I bent the contacts and pushed it back together. No
further problems.

I should back up a little. This 67 F-100 was purchased by my dad brand new and
since he recently moved to Florida, realized he didn't need it. Hence, he told
me I could take it if I would come and get it. This truck has been garaged all
of its California life and had only 106,000 miles....so I couldn't resist.
Back to the story.

That evening, I call Jeff Grant and head west off the interstate a few miles
to Griffin, Georgia to Jeff's house. It was the house with the big Chevy
Suburban parked in front (sorry Jeff, couldn't resist!). You had to love it
though, he had a "Ford Racing" front license plate on it....I guess this was
the atonement...Anyway, I picked up some parts that Stu Varner was buying from
Jeff. Since I was headed Stu's direction, it was no problem to drop them off.
Jeff has an awesome 1/2 ton 4x4 that whips up in the local truck pulls. Jeff
explained how he was able to get by with this with 1/2 ton running gear:
basically, don't too much air out of the tires so they can spin....he then
lends me a few zip ties so I can tie up my light switch so it won't fall apart
anymore......anyway, Jeff has a nice setup down there with those 69 Stangs and
all...that night, we make it somewhere south of Georgia...

Day 2: Take the beltway around Atlanta and keep heading north. Sorry Azie, but
Alabama was a little out of the way on this route, but I'll get there one way
or another! We go north and west through Chattanooga, and keep going until the
Lynchburg, TN exit. We head west to Lynchburg where we go to the home of the
God Of Whiskey, the Jack Daniel's Distillery. Its a neat tour! Interestingly,
its in the middle of a dry county, so there are no samples, and only special
commemorative bottles of JD for sale. Head west through southern TN, stop at a
great little BBQ joint, and then north up towards Henderson. The 352 is
running like a champ. Make it to Stu's that evening, drop off the parts, and
check out the Big Project. Boy, did I get a lesson on detailing! This
beautiful rig he's building even has the seatbelts restored with the original
sewed-on tags! Stu will have to explain this one! Stu is equipped to handle
the project with a well-outfitted garage, and a neighbor who is soon building
an engine shop next door....needless to say, Stu won't be moving for awhile!

Day 3: Head north and west through St. Louis and KC. Relatively uneventful.
Truck still running like a champ. Make it to St. Joe, MO.

Day 4: Leave St. Joe and get to Ross's house just south of Omaha. Manage to
have the right front fender trim fall off between St. Joe and Omaha. Anyone
have a spare piece of fender trim for a 67? Get to Ross's house, and as
predicted, got jealous of his 427. It is sitting on an engine stand in the
back room, just about ready to roll. He took us over to where his project
Stang is, and although Ross has his work cut out for him, this thing is going
to fly! I pick up the 428 block, crank, and GT 390 heads from Ross and head
west. See the SAC museum and spend the night in Cozad, Nebraska.

Day 5: Arrive in Boulder in the morning and go to the office and put out a
bunch of fires. Get the truck registered as a "Collectors Vehicle" and put on
new plates. No more smog testing for this guy!

To conclude, I just wanted to say thanks to the guys I got to visit along the
way on this trip, it made this 100 times more fun. And I want encourage anyone
who's travelling and who has a little spare time to check with the list
because its just a blast to see who's writing this stuff you read everyday!

Thanks again Everyone!

Colorado Jeff





































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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:55:45 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oops, wrong list.

> > The bigotry exhibited by some list members in the last week appalls me. I
> > am reluctant to be associated with it in any form. So if anyone is
> > interested in an all Ford 51 F-1, I am seriously considering selling mine.

I sent a response to this comment by mistake to the 61-79 list. It is
about some discusssion on another list. It has nothing to do with the
discussion on the 61-79 list. I apologize to everyone for the error.
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 22:22:24 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tampa to Denver, Via Omaha

In a message dated 3/29/99 9:31:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, BDIJXS aol.com
writes:

> Stu had suggested a little "trip report" from the cross country road trip
in
> the 67....
>
CJ---You are awesome----Kinda makes we want to change the points and condenser
and hit the road myself----Glad to hear you had a safe and productive ride.

~~Thom B~~
1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:02:02 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tampa to Denver, Via Omaha

>CJ---You are awesome----Kinda makes we want to change the points and
condenser
>and hit the road myself----Glad to hear you had a safe and productive ride.
>
> ~~Thom B~~
>1967 F-250 FE 390 4wd
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.aol.com/tbeeee/page/index.htm

Points...
My mustang WAS dependant on them. I "upgraded" to Duraspark II.
The car runs much better, but that may be more from new wires than anything!
It was quite easy but i had to look at quite a few vehicles to get a good
harness...
-srw

Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy
SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com
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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 20:12:14 -0700
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - torque spec

Anybody here know the torque spec for FE rocker arm shafts??

TIA,

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:37:16 -0500
From: David Wadson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Testing a parking brake....

>Is there a way to test if the parking brake is applied.
>
>It had been frozen and I released it, so I think. I just bought this
>truck last week so I don't know it that well. If I put it in neutral
>I can push it, but there is some squeking (applied brake?) When I put
>it in R (automatic) is goes back by itself. When I put it in D it
>does'nt move. I can't figure out if the brake is still applied a
>little or not.
>
>I would appreciate any insight.

After redoing my entire brake system (only old part was the differential
valve), and finally having a truck with a functional parking brake, I had a
nasty habit of leaving the brake on and trying to drive with it like that.
I found that the truck will generally go in reverse just fine but will
either not move at all in forward or will be quite sluggish. A couple times
I thought something had gone wrong in my tranny. :-)

For those of you who wonder if you really need to bother with a parking
brake, Ford trucks are great but eventually something will brake on them
and you'll wish you had it. Case in point - when I blew my diff (or
something in the drivetrain) I was on a slight uphill slope and unable to
drive! Thankfully a passerby saw my horrible situation and helped push the
truck off the road. Once we had it in the parking lot I had to use the my
winter-weight sandbags that I had left in the back all spring for wheel
chocks to keep the truck from rolling away. With no parking brake and the
tranny unable to hold the truck in park, I would have had a bit of trouble
otherwise! Considering that I usually have to park on a hill when I go to
work, I was probably lucky that my diff didn't give out while I was at work
one day...there's a rather busy street at the bottom of the hill!


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS2" - 78 F100/302/C4


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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 1999 23:55:22 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - How to build horsepower with a 460?

you can get respectable horsepower and torque out of a 460 without stroking
it. that is unless you're wanting to run with the pro stockers. use a 69-71
engine for starters,
choose a cam for your desired range, install a good aluminum intake, bore it
.030 or .060 over, use a good forged piston (flat top) balance the rotating
assembly, put in a good oil pump. use a set of cobra jet rods, and a good set
of heads, (D2OE-AB, C9VE,DOVE, casting #'s) or if you're looking to make power
from 4500-8000 rpm use a set of DOOE-R, torque will be low with these heads,
but you can use a 3500-4500 converter and a good gear to leave a little
harder. all of these heads need alot of exhaust port work to make serious
power. you can have a 500+ horsepower engine for around 3000.00, if you make
the right decisions. when i had a similar built 460 in my 69 mustang, you
could forget about traction even at a 30 mph roll, it would still smoke the 50
series tires.
only my opinion
jeff grant
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 00:04:11 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tampa to Denver, Via Omaha

thanks, jeff, i relly enjoyed your visit, and certainly liked that truck. you
didn't mention the suburban belongs to the wife. we get alot of thumbs up for
that "FORD RACING" tag.

thanks, jeff grant
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 00:25:34 -0500
From: Brad Smith
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Intake Tips?

At 09:20 AM 3/25/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm putting on a performer manifold and a Edlbrk 600 cfm on my '77 400m this
>weekend. Would like any hints, tips or things to watch out for when I do
>this. Do I need to remove the distributor when I do this? Any
>recommendations on gasket types.
>
>Thanks for the input.
>Rusty in KC
>'77 Explorer 400m
>--
>rnail mmgworldwide.com
>S.Rusty Nail
>816.472.5988 ext.183
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Just pat attention to where each bolt goes, put some permatex on them, and
I'd use Fel-Pro gaskets, with a copper spray sealant... Good Luck!
Brad


The two best times to go fishing are when it is raining, and when it is
not...
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 01:51:41 -0500
From: "Jeffrey Beard"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Motel Pigeon Forge

If the rooms are full in Pigeon Forge you may want to try Townsend, TN ("The
Peaceful side of the Smokies"). It is nearby and a much less touristy place.
I would also highly recommend the Dandridge, TN area. Just a little advice
from a nearby resident. I am looking forward to it, I recently purchased a
'65 F100 and I'm only 45 minutes away!

Jeff
'65 F100 custom cab w/352



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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 1999 00:05:47 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tampa to Denver, Via Omaha

Colorado Jeff,

Thanks for the trip report; I for one really enjoy reading
about the adventures of listmembers and their trucks, and its
an added bonus to hear about hooking up with other
guys on the list. Makes for a fun read; I felt like I was
ridin along with ya.::-) Hope more guys post their
adventures in the future.:-)

I'm actually going on a bit of a jaunt myself tomorrow.
Leaving after work for Moab, UT. for the Easter Jeep
Safari. Using my beloved 77 F250 4WD (Ol' Silver)
to tow my 75 Jeep up there for a few days of fun.
I'll try and post a trip report when I get back.

Best,
....

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