61-79-list-digest Saturday, March 27 1999 Volume 03 : Number 105



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Found 78 Crew Cab
FTE 61-79 - 460/390 Weight
FTE 61-79 - 360/390/410 Pistons
FTE 61-79 - Horn
Re: FTE 61-79 - Found 78 Crew Cab
Re: FTE 61-79 - P.A.W. web address
FTE 61-79 - Hacksaws and nut splitters
FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff
FTE 61-79 - Electronic Voltage Regulator
FTE 61-79 - FE Stuffs galore.
FTE 61-79 - Engine I.D. Help Request
Re: FTE 61-79 - Found 78 Crew Cab
FTE 61-79 - RE: charging sys ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine I.D. Help Request
Re: FTE 61-79 - Found 78 Crew Cab
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine I.D. Help Request
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine I.D. Help Request
FTE 61-79 - Dash lights
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine I.D. Help Request
FTE 61-79 - Re: Solution found to non turning 460/C6!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dash lights
FTE 61-79 - Drive train noise and vibrations - new U-joints ?
RE: FTE 61-79 - Drive train noise and vibrations - new U-joints ?
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: charging sys ?
FTE 61-79 - Responses to vacuum question
FTE 61-79 - 390 buidup
FTE 61-79 - Swapping radiator supports??
[none]
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine I.D. Help Request
FTE 61-79 - Williams FE390 rebuild
Re: FTE 61-79 - Williams FE390 rebuild
Re: FTE 61-79 - Williams FE390 rebuild
Re: FTE 61-79 - Selecting oils...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Found 78 Crew Cab
FTE 61-79 - ford extended cab 4x4 wanted
FTE 61-79 - Forgive this use of band width.

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 07:04:37 EST
From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Found 78 Crew Cab

I have found a 1978 Crew Cab 2wd (will convert to 4x4) in ColfaX, CA. Does
anyone know who can ship it to New Jersey for cheap? The truck has no motor
or transmission...but its Rust Free!!! The truck is about a grand, and I
figure another grand to ship it. If anybody has a friend who moves
vehicles....let me know as I really want to get a hold of this truck. Thanks
In Advance!!! Wayne Grabley
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:06:57 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460/390 Weight

> ... I figure it might be good enough if its for a 460, but when it comes to
> springs, go with the ones for a 390, the engine weighs the same, maybe a
> touch more than the 460, so they should work fine for you.

Actually the 460 is about 100 lbs heavier than the FE. The springs
should work though.
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:17:44 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360/390/410 Pistons

> That was what I was afraid I was going to hear. Now !!!!!!!! does anyone
> following this thread know just exactly what the wristpin locations should
> be(and I assume the measurement is from the top of the piston to the c/l of the
> wristpin) on say a 360, a 390, and a 410?????

The 360/390 piston should have a 1.765 compression height. The 410 is
1.665. These are TRW replacement piston specs.
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:08:18 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Horn

Martin Miller writes: >>My horn is inop on the 77 F250 I just bought. Can
someone talk me
through locating proper wiring and the horn itself (Can't find it,
it's probably not there) so that I may install a working horn.

The physical location for the horn(s) are on the front of the piece that the
radiator mounts to and just behind the grill. One on passenger side and one on
drivers side of the radiator if you have two. There should be a wire on the
drivers side that just terminates there in a female type single connector if the
wiring is still there but the horn is gone.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 06:11:52 -0800 (PST)
From: TheFORDMAN webtv.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Found 78 Crew Cab

hey Wayne
look under auto transport in the phone book who ever you talk to should
be able to give you a rough estimate on ground freight charges
Eric

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:16:32 -0500
From: "Christopher R. Long"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - P.A.W. web address

Hey.... thanks! I've been trying to find it!

Rob


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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:01:29 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hacksaws and nut splitters

>>Either sounds awfully agonizing to me!!! Neanderthal methodology!!

Now now Azie. Go back and read my original post and you will see I saw that
type of comment coming. :-)

Actually, I get more satisfaction from a repair job if I get to destroy
something. NOT!

- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:20:56 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff

Mike writes:
>>while a tank is pretty much self contained, with the only opening being a
>>small pinhole
in the gas cap to allow air to equalize the pressure as the tank
empties

I believe that trucks with smog limiting equipment use a slightly modified
pinhole. It became illegal to vent fumes to the atmosphere directly. Most
of the later caps have a pressure equalizing device that opens if the
vacuum in the tank exceeds some preset limit so that your tank doesn't get
sucked flat. This also prevents your gasoline from slowly evaporating from
the tank when you are parked. A lot of later tanks are also plastic lined
so that they can take a higher vacuum in addition to limiting inner
corrosion. The plastic also allows baffles so that you can't hear gas
sloshing around in the tank while driving down the road. Next time you are
at a bone yard, look inside some tanks from different brands and see what I
mean.

- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:34:57 -0600
From: Don Yerhot
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Electronic Voltage Regulator

Hello fellow Ford freaks,
Last night I replaced the old points style voltage regulator in my 65
with an electronic unit out of a 84-F150. The old points unit was
clicking away and I figured with Murphy's law never taking a day off,
that it would die when I was in the middle of nowhere. :-D Anyway, now
the Alternator idiot light doesn't come on any more when the key is
turned to run. The regulator seems to be working okay, I've got about
14.7 volts across the battery terminals when the engine is idling. The
truck that the reg. came out of had an Ammeter gauge, do they use a
different one for the idiot light? Thanks in advance for any input.

DonY
65 F250-351W-435NP


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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 09:05:33 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Stuffs galore.

>> That was what I was afraid I was going to hear. Now !!!!!!!! does anyone
>> following this thread know just exactly what the wristpin locations should
>> be(and I assume the measurement is from the top of the piston to the c/l
>of the
>> wristpin) on say a 360, a 390, and a 410?????
>
>The 360/390 piston should have a 1.765 compression height. The 410 is
>1.665. These are TRW replacement piston specs.


Really ... wow, grabbed the How to book by Christ ... here's waht it says
about the 360 and 390 from 68-76

360 390
Deck height 10.17 10.17
deck clearance 0.104 0.112
Compression Height 1.776 1.68
Rod length 6.54 6.488
stroke 1.75 1.89

Page 36 also shows the difference in compression heights ... 360 pistons in
a 390 will probably not work so well ... the other way around, you'd just
have a low compression ratio ..

I put the pistons in last night (finally), but before I did that, I checked
out the part numbers on the rods and caps. The rods were C7AE-B . The
caps were C6AE and had CF4 cast on the other side. Then I looked at the
other side of the rods, they had nubmers like 8652 B Y .
Some were 8652, some were B655, others were A653 and A652 ... It wasn't
reading them wrong either, good light and cleaned up, so some were really
easy to see, others weren't. I assume these are date codes or something ?
Just seemed like a weird range of numbers, but they all had the same part
number, so they should all be the same length.

Looking at this book closer, it shows that the connecting rods I have are
66-70 428 Police, 68-70 428CJ, 68 427

Though it says the same thing above that, so maybe its a misprint ?

Anyway, that's the info I have ..


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:55:55 EST
From: REvans8341 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine I.D. Help Request

Thanks to Wish, I found a link to help me partially I.D. the engine in my
72 F-100 . It originally came with a 302, and I was told that it had a
rebuilt 360 in it when I got it. Wel-l-l-l, that isn't quite true, I don't
think. In checking all the clues, it appears to be a small block ranging from
a 289 to a 351W. I crawled all through it looking for numbers and came up
with the following:
1) On the top of the intake manifold between the carb and distrbutor is the
number D10E-8425AA
2) On the bottom passenger side of the block just above the starter and oil
pan is the number C80E-8015-A
3) The firing order on the manifold is 15426378
4) there are 14 bolts, that I can see, holding the intake manifold to the
block
Apparently on the early model (64-73) V-8's there was supposed to be a
small I.D. tag at the Coil mounting bolt. My engine doesn't have this and
the coil is mounted on top of the passenger side fender well. Can anyone help
me out? I need some parts for it and I don't want go back and forth trying
thing out. Also if anyone, does know what size and year engine this might be,
can you recommend a good 2 bbl carb for it? The engine has headers, which
were on it when I got the truck....Sorry about being long winded here, but I
really do need some help with this.....thanks in advance.......Bob
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:00:36 -0600
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Found 78 Crew Cab

Wayne

You might look in the Hemmings Mag. There are people who do
hauling listed in it.



At 07:04 AM 3/26/99 EST, you wrote:
>I have found a 1978 Crew Cab 2wd (will convert to 4x4) in ColfaX, CA. Does
>anyone know who can ship it to New Jersey for cheap? The truck has no motor
>or transmission...but its Rust Free!!! The truck is about a grand, and I
>figure another grand to ship it. If anybody has a friend who moves
>vehicles....let me know as I really want to get a hold of this truck. Thanks
>In Advance!!! Wayne Grabley
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>

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:08:25 -0800
From: "Wiltzius, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: charging sys ?

Burt and Pat,
Thanks for the prompt comments on the charging sys questions.

Pat, I don't think that this is the shunt type meter. I checked archives
before asking the question to make sure i wasn,t wastin' BW.

Correct me if Im wrong -
The shunt type meters are generally the small ones located around the
perimeter of of the speedo and are really a voltmeter that measures the
voltage drop across the shunt. The non shunt kind are larger ( this one is
approx 2" round) and actually measure the current ( again via an internal
shunt)
Hence the BIG wires going to it.

Here we go again . . . (hope not!!!)

Tom
Reno,NV
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:12:06 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine I.D. Help Request

>think. In checking all the clues, it appears to be a small block ranging from
>a 289 to a 351W.

Well that would make sense then, since they will bolt right up ... lets see
if we can figure out what you've got exactly ...


I crawled all through it looking for numbers and came up
>with the following:
> 1) On the top of the intake manifold between the carb and distrbutor is the
>number D10E-8425AA

Hmmm71 intake, since you've got a 72 truck, this is pointing to a stock
piece, probably 289/302 ..

> 2) On the bottom passenger side of the block just above the starter and oil
>pan is the number C80E-8015-A

Another good sign its a 289/302, the 351 didn't come out til 69, so I
believe the casting should be a C9 number. the O indicates its probably
not the original one for your truck, its from 66-68 Fairlane or 69/70 Torino.

> 3) The firing order on the manifold is 15426378

Hmm..this should help, but I don't have the chart with the firing orders
layin around in front of me .. anyone ? The 302 and 351 have different
firing orders, so this should tell the tale too ...

> 4) there are 14 bolts, that I can see, holding the intake manifold to the
>block

Never counted on either engine, but I know there's more on a 351 than on a
302 or later 351 ... might find a known one and count those ?

>me out? I need some parts for it and I don't want go back and forth trying
>thing out.

What parts do you need? Most tune-up parts are interchangeable and you'll
never know if you've got the wrong one or not. Also taking the old part
with you might help out too...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:34:01 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Found 78 Crew Cab

A couple of years ago I priced getting a non running 3/4 ton truck shipped
from SF Bay Area to Detroit and it ran anywhere from $1100 to $2000
depending on the type of delivery (door to door vs. depot to depot) and
insurance. You might try getting friendly with a manager at a local car
dealer and seeing if he can set you up with a transport company. They use
them all the time and might be able to get you a deal by putting your truck
on a shipment to the east coast. The biggest issue is the fact that it's non
running so it has to be either towed to the depot or picked up at it's
current location which costs more $.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"

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From: FORDTRKNUT aol.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, March 26, 1999 4:06 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Found 78 Crew Cab


>I have found a 1978 Crew Cab 2wd (will convert to 4x4) in ColfaX, CA. Does
>anyone know who can ship it to New Jersey for cheap? The truck has no
motor
>or transmission...but its Rust Free!!! The truck is about a grand, and I
>figure another grand to ship it. If anybody has a friend who moves
>vehicles....let me know as I really want to get a hold of this truck.


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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 08:38:29 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine I.D. Help Request

The firing order is right for a 302 or a 360 but not a 351.

"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets"


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From: William S Hart
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, March 26, 1999 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine I.D. Help Request



>> 3) The firing order on the manifold is 15426378
>
>Hmm..this should help, but I don't have the chart with the firing orders
>layin around in front of me .. anyone ? The 302 and 351 have different
>firing orders, so this should tell the tale too ...
>



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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:45:45 -0500
From: Ted Wnorowski
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine I.D. Help Request

REvans8341 aol.com wrote:

>
> 3) The firing order on the manifold is 15426378

The firing order for the 289ci '65-'68 and the '68 302 is 15426378. The '69-'74 351C & 351W is 13726548.

Hope this helps,
Ted Wnorowski
Bellevue,OH
'64 F-250
352 FE (transplant)
4-speed


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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:55:07 -0600
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dash lights

Hi

My 74 f350 dash light is out on the third panel contain temp & alt.
Any trick to replaceing it? Does the dash have to be pulled or can
you get to it from underneath. Haven't looked at it real close. Just
setting here at work thinking about doing it this weekend. Also what type
of bulb does it use, so I don't have to make a trip back into town.

TIA
Larry

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:59:57 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine I.D. Help Request

>> 3) The firing order on the manifold is 15426378
>
> The firing order for the 289ci '65-'68 and the '68 302 is 15426378. The
>'69-'74 351C & 351W is 13726548.
>
> Hope this helps,


So it sounds like its a 302 since the manifold with a 302 firing order
won't fit on a 351W very well ...

Hope this helps you out in your parts search. Judging from the numbers, I
wouldn't be too surprised if it was the original engine. Maybe they
swapped in a motor, maybe they didn't, but it sounds like its a 302 ...
good luck w/ the rest of the truck.


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 12:12:16 -0500
From: "Matthew Schwartz"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Solution found to non turning 460/C6!

Let me start out by saying THANK YOU for all those who have answered my late
night question! This list has made my project much easier.

The solution is a bit odd. The 460 was from a 71 Lincoln. When I ordered the
PAW kit, it was for a 78 Ford Truck 460. I kept the original "crank to flex
plate" bolts and used them in the NEW PAW crank...it appears that the PAW
crank is a bit different from the original Lincoln crank in that the
original bolts extend into the block, thus stopping the turning of the
engine. Lock washers were added ( with loc-tite) and now the bolts do not
extend into the block.


THANKS!! BTW, I checked the tranny as well for proper seat...and that
appears to be fine.


Matt

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:18:39 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dash lights

>My 74 f350 dash light is out on the third panel contain temp & alt.
>Any trick to replaceing it? Does the dash have to be pulled or can
>you get to it from underneath. Haven't looked at it real close. Just
>setting here at work thinking about doing it this weekend. Also what type
>of bulb does it use, so I don't have to make a trip back into town.
>

With some contortions you can reach it from underneath ... I think there
are a couple of them, so you may have to try twice to find the right one.
They are usually GE 194's ... the 194's the important part, just twist the
black piece a quarter turn or so to pop it out, then pull the bulb out
gently. The other bulb should snap in no problem ...


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:19:24 PST
From: "Dane Berthelsen"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Drive train noise and vibrations - new U-joints ?

Every time I let go of my foot from the gas pedal to slow down the
truck, I hear a loud noise and some vibration from the drive train. What
is the cause and how do I fix it ? I also hear a 'gunk' noise every time
I put the truck in drive or reverse. This tells me it's probably the
U-joints that need to be replaced, but is that all ?

Thanks,
Dane

77 F150 4WD AT Stepside
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 11:36:19 -0700
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Drive train noise and vibrations - new U-joints ?

Don't wait to fix it, do it now. I had the same thing happen on 79 bronco,
waited too long, and when the front u-joint blew out, it took out the side
of the velocity joint too. Almost dropped the front of the rear driveshaft,
and I was just about to get on 75mph freeway. Imagine if I had dropped it
then, you would not be seeing this letter. My dad had an old driveshaft
with extra velocity joint, I bought new u-joints (3) and rebuilt it myself,
then had it balanced. Works great now. Sorry about long post, but safety
is an issue on this one.

Colorado Rick

snip snip

Every time I let go of my foot from the gas pedal to slow down the truck, I
hear a loud noise and some vibration from the drive train. I also hear a
'gunk' noise every time I put the truck in drive or reverse.

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 10:04:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: charging sys ?

Tom wrote:
> Correct me if Im wrong -
> The shunt type meters are generally the small ones located around the
> perimeter of of the speedo and are really a voltmeter that measures the
> voltage drop across the shunt.

And therefore the meters themselves are easy to fry with too much
current . .

> The non shunt kind are larger ( this one is approx 2" round) and
> actually measure the current ( again via an internal shunt)
> Hence the BIG wires going to it.

Yep, in a nutshell. .

If you have a battery charger with a built in ammeter you can
compare your meter against it. Use a resistor in series with
your meter to set up a current. Use a large resistor (say,
a few hundred ohms) to set up a small current. That would be
a safe starting point in case you do have an external shunt
type of meter. If you get no response, then use a small
resistor (
Current = (Voltage / Resistance)
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 15:54:27 -0600
From: Timothy Lewis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Responses to vacuum question

That was my problem, hooked to vacuum advance port for dist I'll try
off the manifold and let you know what that gives me. Thanks!

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:18:30 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390 buidup

Well, I know a few people have been interested in my rebuild. I"m sorry to
say there are no pictures on the page yet (haven't used up all the film
yet, maybe this weekend), but I have LOTS of text, and have a bunch of
information about the parts found and just generally what has happened in
putting it together. Was hopin you guys could look over it and offer
suggestions for other stuff to include, or things you want more info on.
If I've done something totall wrong and its gonna blow up, I wanna know
that before I break it.

Oh, I suppose you need the link too since I don't have any off of my main
pages yet ...
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/rebuild.html


Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:31:41 -0500
From: Joe Delaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Swapping radiator supports??

Hi,

I was wondering by any chance can I swap a radiator support
from a 73-77 truck into a 67-72 truck????They look almost identical
in the yards, but I can find rust free 73-77's but the earliers
are always rusted....Anybody try this???
Joe
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:37:14 EST
From: MONKEY D EISS
Subject: [none]

I HAVE A '62 F100 PICK UP, AND I'M TRYING TO FIND A CROSSMEMBER FOR IT SO
I CAN DROP A 302 IN IT...IF ANYONE HAS ANY INFO, IT WOULD BE APPRECIATED
BEYOND BELIEF.....THANX.....JONATHAN

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 16:07:13 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine I.D. Help Request

At 10:55 AM 3/26/99 EST, you wrote:
> Thanks to Wish, I found a link to help me partially I.D. the engine in my
>72 F-100 . It originally came with a 302, and I was told that it had a
>rebuilt 360 in it when I got it. Wel-l-l-l, that isn't quite true, I don't
>think.


Someone else can probably decode the numbers for you, but:

> 4) there are 14 bolts, that I can see, holding the intake manifold to the
>block

There's a clue. FE's have 10 bolts, 289/302 has 12 bolts, 351W, 351M/400
have 14 bolts and 429/460 have 16 bolts.

Steve
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 17:01:47 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Williams FE390 rebuild

William S Hart wrote:
>Well, I know a few people have been interested in my rebuild. I"m sorry to
>say there are no pictures on the page yet (haven't used up all the film
>yet, maybe this weekend), but I have LOTS of text, and have a bunch of
>information about the parts found and just generally what has happened in
>putting it together. Was hopin you guys could look over it and offer
>suggestions for other stuff to include, or things you want more info on.
>If I've done something totall wrong and its gonna blow up, I wanna know
>that before I break it.

William, I was interested in your FE rebuild so I checked out your article.
Sounds like big fun and I think that will be a nice cam, but a couple things
caught my eye. I hope you don't mind I quoted a bit of your article...

>to have them checked out. While they were in there they got several new
springs, >guides, and seats,
>hardened on the exhaust side.

and:
> Manufacturer: Melling
> Cam Lift .296 .311 (intake/exhaust)
> Valve Lift .512 .538
> SAE Duration 292/302
> 0.050 Duration 214/224
> Lobe Centers 104/120

The phrases "several new valve springs" and "Valve lift .512 .538" seem
incompatable to me. FE valve springs are pretty soft to start with, and
used ones are going to be worse still. .512/.538 is quite a bit of lift
and I don't think even a new stock set of FE springs are going to be very
happy with it. Does your cam tag list recommended spring pressures?

My FE cam has 270/290 (208/218) duration and .465/.490" lift, and the
recommended spring pressures are 270-290 open, 100-110 closed.
This is more than a stock FE spring...
Springs from a certain Big Block C-word motor Fit the FE nicely and
had the correct pressures for my cam. They're also much cheaper than
specialty FE springs.

You mentioned that you're using taller pistons to get better compression
and you've got more valve lift, did you check your piston to valve clearances
with clay or something? Remember that you not only have more valve lift, but
more duration means that the valve is also farther open when the piston is
at or near TDC. It always give me the warm and fuzzies to check the clearance
with an unknown cam/piston combination even if the specs aren't too wild.
Sometimes better safe than sorry...

> I used some plasti-gauge and checked all the mains,
>they were all right at .020" which is high acco rding to Steve Christ's book,

I'm going to assume this is a typo and you mean .002"? .020" would be rather
excessive. .002" is a little outside the spec, but should be just fine.
That's about what I got when I rebuilt mine and it's got 53K miles on it
now and doing just fine.

Did I see a new oil pump in your list of goodies? If not it should be there...


Steve
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 20:35:51 -0500
From: "Ted & Sarah Freeman"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Williams FE390 rebuild

Steve,

Just for grins...which C-word springs did you use?

I just got my crank, rods, pistons, rings, balancer, flexplate, snout and
all back from the machine shop yesterday for my 410.

I'm pretty phsyced.

But, anyways, I'm in the middle of the same thing William is doing. I was
going to buy the cam, lifters and springs as a package. But am curious
about the C-word springs.

Thanks,

- -Ted
> My FE cam has 270/290 (208/218) duration and .465/.490" lift, and the
> recommended spring pressures are 270-290 open, 100-110 closed.
> This is more than a stock FE spring...
> Springs from a certain Big Block C-word motor Fit the FE nicely and
> had the correct pressures for my cam. They're also much cheaper than
> specialty FE springs.
>


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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 18:13:28 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Williams FE390 rebuild

>Just for grins...which C-word springs did you use?
>
>I just got my crank, rods, pistons, rings, balancer, flexplate, snout and
>all back from the machine shop yesterday for my 410.
>
>I'm pretty phsyced.
>
>But, anyways, I'm in the middle of the same thing William is doing. I was
>going to buy the cam, lifters and springs as a package. But am curious
>about the C-word springs.

To tell you the truth, I dunno...
The machinist and I discussed cams and valve springs during the head
rebuild. He recommended the big block chevy springs for some FE applications
and we looked thru some catalogs of spring specs until I was convinced
that was a smart thing to do. They are very slightly larger O.D. than
the FE springs, but they fit nicely and give the correct loaded pressures
for this cam. They were a couple $ each cheaper than aftermarket "FE" springs
and readily available at your local parts grocery store.
All I remember is they were a BB chubby part. Dunno the year or application.
Sorry...

Steve
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:30:24 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Selecting oils...

its pretty easy for anyone to become a dealer for amsoil, if you have a fleet
of trucks,cars or equipment you can buy it direct from amsoil or if you want
to sell it just about anyone can become a dealer, if you call amsoil, i'm sure
they can hook you up with a distributor in your area, the distributors set up
the dealers. i set up the company i work for due to our equipment and trucks,
i think we buy it cheaper than a dealer would for resale. they can explain all
that for you. our price on it is less than 4.00 per quart. thats inline with
mobil 1 and the others.

shame, shame , shame for mentioning sissy gordon (thats what my four year
old calls him) on this list.

jeff grant
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:36:57 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Found 78 Crew Cab

a friend of mine has someone he uses to transport cars across country, you can
email him at "mhatchett vnet.ibm.com" from california to georgia i think he
told me they charge about 750.00, but thats for a mustang, a big truck maybe
more.

jeff grant
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:56:16 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ford extended cab 4x4 wanted

i just had 4500.00 worth of warranty work done on my 96 f250 powerstroke
diesel,
i'm considering selling this thing and finding a 76-79 f250 4x4 extended cab
truck, i travel sometimes up to 600 miles per week, so i would like to find a
nice one. if anyone has any ideas as to where i can find one let me know. 4x4
is required, extended cab is required and ac will be nice. in the southeast
would be a plus.
the powerstroke is nice, but i couldn't afford it without the warranty.

thanks list
jeff grant
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 1999 23:28:48 -0800
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Forgive this use of band width.....


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