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61-79-list-digest Thursday, March 25 1999 Volume 03 : Number 103 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 61-79 - RE:vacuum FTE 61-79 - Need to sell... what should I ask?!? FTE 61-79 - RE360/390 pistons Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP! REBUILT 460 won't turn over FTE 61-79 - gas FTE 61-79 - Fw: Old Ford Trucks FTE 61-79 - Petronix Ignition FTE 61-79 - Are all oils creatied equal? FTE 61-79 - WOW!!! ELECTRONIC IGNITION FOR OLD FORDS!!! Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP! REBUILT 460 won't turn over FTE 61-79 - Petronix Ignition FTE 61-79 - Fw: Old Ford Trucks Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP! REBUILT 460 won't turn over FTE 61-79 - 360/390 Pistons Re: FTE 61-79 - AC pumps FTE 61-79 - 460 won't turn FTE 61-79 - Re: 91 ignition Re: FTE 61-79 - Petronix Ignition FTE 61-79 - 77 f150 coil springs FTE 61-79 - HELP!! REBUILT 460 won't turn over FTE 61-79 - spinnig tie rod ends FTE 61-79 - seat belt installation... Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 f150 coil springs Re: FTE 61-79 - Are all oils creatied equal? Re: FTE 61-79 - RE360/390 pistons FTE 61-79 - 360/390 pistons FTE 61-79 - Hacksaws and nut splitters FTE 61-79 - Intake Tips? FTE 61-79 - Ign switch Re: FTE 61-79 - Hacksaws and nut splitters FTE 61-79 - Location FTE 61-79 - Re: EVAP stuff (what year did it start) FTE 61-79 - Tunnels FTE 61-79 - 460 Locked up FTE 61-79 - RE:Charging system Questions FTE 61-79 - 360/390 pistons FTE 61-79 - 460 locked up FTE 61-79 - replying to FTE list FTE 61-79 - tire bumper heights FTE 61-79 - Horn wiring and location...77 F250 Re: FTE 61-79 - Petronix Ignition FTE 61-79 - 71 power steering into my 73 FTE 61-79 - 460 MOTOR MOUNT Stanchion LOCATIONS? Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP! REBUILT 460 won't turn over Re: FTE 61-79 - AC pumps Re: FTE 61-79 - Need to sell... what should I ask?!? Re: FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start) Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP!! REBUILT 460 won't turn over FTE 61-79 - Sway bar for a '65 F100?? Re: FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start) Re: FTE 61-79 - Need to sell... what should I ask?!? Re: FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start) FTE 61-79 - RE:non-turning 460 FTE 61-79 - While at the F-100 Nationals ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:00:29 -0500 From: "Timothy R. Anderson" Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:vacuum Spaz, If you are getting zero vac at idle and only 7 in. at higher rpms, I'd say you are hooked up to the ported vacuum source instead of a manifold source. At idle, your manifold vacuum should be between 17 and 21if the engine is healthy. Lower readings could indicate low compression, retarded timing, or a vacuum leak somewhere. If you get a reading that changes either regularly or irregularly, it may indicate carb adjustment problems or valve problems. These are just a few ways you can use your vacuum readings to get a feel for your engine. Hope this helps. Find a manifold vac source and let us know what it reads. Tim in Anchorage '67 F-100 (currently in 3456 pieces) = == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:52:10 -0600 From: "Hicks, Adam" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need to sell... what should I ask?!? This is a long one, but it might be worth your reading!!! I'm going to be buying a house soon, and unfortuantely need to part with my '77 F-150. I've put alot of time and money and love into the truck, and hate to see it go. My problem is, I don't have any idea what to ask for it. I hope someone here can help me out... It's a 1977 F-150 Custom Red / White / Red. It's a standard cab long bed with a 460 / C6. It has BRAND new: heads, edelbrock performer 460 manifold, Holley Quadrajet 750 electric choke vacuum secondary (this was a non-egr truck - thank God), Mallory high perf. coil, Ryder VST shocks, starter, pads, shoes, rotors, bearings, huge Duralast battery, plugs, 8mm wires, dist. cap. A few weeks ago I had the exhaust ripped out from the exhaust manifold down and had all new 2 1/2" aluminized mandrel bent pipe ran, with dual Flo-Pro mufflers dumped right before the rear axle. I gave over $300 for the (very professional) exhaust work. (The truck did not have catalytic converters, and they are not required for this year.) I've installed a much nicer Sony stereo, new window channels, all new speakers, all new mirrors, etc. The Heads / Manifold / Carb work was done by a 25 year+ engine builder who used all Fel-Pro gaskets, and highest quality parts. The body is in great shape. Never been wrecked, no rust... a dent at the front quarter panel, but shallow and not very noticable. The paint job is less than a few years old. It's a really nice truck! The interior is in very good condition as well. It could use a new rubber floor mat, but the dash, doors and gauges are all perfect. The truck runs / drives / brakes (!) excellent. It purrs like a kitten at stop lights, but it'll leave you behind if you're not careful! I've really enjoyed the project. It needs a good set of tires, and every time I don't drive it for over a month, the battery drains and I have to jump start it. After that, as long as it is started every 2-3 weeks, it's just fine. This is probably a relay sticking or something, I just don't have the time to fix it. I've put over $3000 in the truck, not including the purchase price. I think any of you guys would be proud to own it. I'd like to get near $3000 for it. I hear the 'trailer special' models (which it is) are a bit more uncommon. Is this a fair price to ask? I could post pictures with my digital camera if it would help... Thanks for all of your help throughout my ownership of the truck! Adam Hicks Ft. Worth, TX Adam.Hicks ppctx.com == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:57:44 -0600 From: JOHN E DOLSON Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE360/390 pistons > >From the ones I've torn down, they're identical. Flat-tops with 4 valve >reliefs. They just come up lower in the cylinder. Hence my comment about running oddly, lower in the cylinders would have lowered the compression in 3 of them by quite a bit ... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ My 360 also had five 360, slipper skirt pistons, and three 390-4V slipper skirt pistons. I checked the pin hieght by putting 2 pistons ( one marked 360, and one marked 390-4V) on the same wrist pin, side by side. Both pistons had the same pin height, they were the same pistons, they just had different casting numbers. John Dolson Jefferson City, MO. 1976 F150, Ranger XLT ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 00:28:38 EST From: SHill48337 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP! REBUILT 460 won't turn over In a message dated 3/24/99 7:37:24 PM Pacific Standard Time, mschwartz fast.net writes: thing I added to the engine tonight was bolting on the flex plate. >> Is one of the flexplate bolts going through the flexplate and the crankshaft flange and contacting the block?? One time I changed from a flywheel to flexplate and used the flywheel bolts, they traveled through the crank flange and locked up against the block. If you did not convert to an auto tranny this is not likely, but one bolt might accidentally be just a little bit longer. Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F250 4x4 460 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 05:40:46 -0800 From: Michael Siron Subject: FTE 61-79 - gas Brian Logan writes: >>I'm running the skinny stock wheels and tires until the price of gas goes down. Azie writes:>> That might be an awfully long time, brian. My two cents:>> According to news stories, gas has recently been at its lowest average cost in history, adjusting for inflation. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 01:17:26 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Old Ford Trucks Forwarded for: I own a 1979 Ford F-250 camper special 4x4 pick-up with a 351M motor. I have a 1974 Ford F-250 2 wheel drive parts truck also. I would like to know a couple things. First, how easy is it to switch cabs? Second, the 2 wheel drive truck has a 390 motor that I want to put in the other truck. How hard would that be? and can it be done? The 1979 4x4 has a C-6 automatic transmission and the 1974 has standard transmission. If anyone could answer these questions, I would be grateful. Thanks, Andy Edmiston == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:07:33 -0800 From: "Bill Deacon" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Petronix Ignition Anybody out there have any comments about Petronix electronic ignition conversions? I am considering installing one on my '66 F-250. Any comments pro or con would be appreciated. Your Pal, Bill == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Mar 1996 01:10:18 -0700 From: "James Draughn" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Are all oils creatied equal? Well, this weekend I am going to finally drop my 351W into my 79 van. But I had a question. I could go to the store and buy oil that costs anywhere from .79 to 3.00 or more a quart. Is there really anything to be gained by buying this really expensive stuff? What is the differences between these? I know there is a detergent oil but im still looking around with a blank face. Any info and opinions on this would be great. Thanks in advance. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 03:29:28 EST From: Chezpip aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - WOW!!! ELECTRONIC IGNITION FOR OLD FORDS!!! anyone interested in making the best investment ever, go with what i did... Performance Distributors makes a GM like HEI unit they call DUI, Davis Unified Ignition. Now, i run a 410 motor with high compression (stock 10.5 : 1) a Erson 268 with .490 intake and .510 exhaust lift. A Holley tops the intake manifold. I figure i'm, if anything, a little better than stock. However, i never realized that the pesky pinging i got from point ignition could ever be remedied, until i talked to the guys in Memphis, TN about the D.U.I. GUYS, the LAST thing i want is CH*vy Parts on my true blue, but i can live with this one. my truck couldn't run better and i didn't have to screw with buying a seperate module and coil and run wires everywhere... like on the ford duraspark. a 12 volt ignition source is all the wiring i had to do. trust me, HORSEPOWER GAIN!!! who am I? just a nobody blowing away GMs and DODGEs with my Kick Butt '72 3/4 ton EFFIE!!! Live Long True Blue! hey, if you want prices and advice, please feel free to e'mail me directly, you don't even need to be that serious!!! you'll love it, believe me... i do. phillip == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:49:17 EST From: Rollie H Hunt Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP! REBUILT 460 won't turn over On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:35:51 -0500 "Matthew Schwartz" writes: >I just took off my rebuilt 460 off the engine stand and mated it to a >rebuilt C6. As I tried to turn the engine by hand to tighten the >torque >converter-to-flexplate nuts, I realized I could not turn the engine >over. I had this problem once and I found that there was a problem with the flexplate not being installed correctly and it put pressure on the crankshaft . Check to see if there is any crankshaft endplay , if not any , I would say that something is putting pressure on the crankshaft , flexplate and or torque converter . Rollie Hunt . ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 23:07:33 -0800 From: "Bill Deacon" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Petronix Ignition Anybody out there have any comments about Petronix electronic ignition conversions? I am considering installing one on my '66 F-250. Any comments pro or con would be appreciated. Your Pal, Bill == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 01:17:26 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fw: Old Ford Trucks Forwarded for: I own a 1979 Ford F-250 camper special 4x4 pick-up with a 351M motor. I have a 1974 Ford F-250 2 wheel drive parts truck also. I would like to know a couple things. First, how easy is it to switch cabs? Second, the 2 wheel drive truck has a 390 motor that I want to put in the other truck. How hard would that be? and can it be done? The 1979 4x4 has a C-6 automatic transmission and the 1974 has standard transmission. If anyone could answer these questions, I would be grateful. Thanks, Andy Edmiston == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:51:42 -0500 From: Norm Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP! REBUILT 460 won't turn over It would be my guess that the torque converter is not properly seated on the input shaft! Take the tranny back and get in there and wiggle the converter around! I will almost guarantee this is the problem! Hope this helps! Norm >On Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:35:51 -0500 "Matthew Schwartz" > writes: > >>I just took off my rebuilt 460 off the engine stand and mated it to a >>rebuilt C6. As I tried to turn the engine by hand to tighten the >>torque >>converter-to-flexplate nuts, I realized I could not turn the engine >>over. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:51:55 -0600 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360/390 Pistons > Hence my comment about running oddly, lower in the cylinders would have > lowered the compression in 3 of them by quite a bit . Actually, they are all the same compression height as far as I know. The crowns are the same for the most part, and the rest of the piston too, the only difference being that some 360's used a solid skirt piston. The 390 flat-top piston is functionally the same as the 360 piston. The 360 uses a rod that is 6.54 as opposed to 6.488 for the 390. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:21:05 -0500 From: James Oxley Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AC pumps Don Grossman wrote: > > > York is the pump or line of pumps. York made pumps for Ford, Chev, > Dodge, and many others but they are all basically the same except for size > and design changes over the years. I have one on my truck that I use for > air tools and air bag helper springs. They are tough little units. There > are 3 sizes that were available and are listed on Steves site. I have the > middle one and find it supplies lots of air except at idle. Look for early > 70's pickups with a/c for the mounting hardware and just about any car or > truck from the mid 60's to late 70's for the compressor. I have found a > few that someone else took off the motor to get to the heads. > A couple things to watch out for. Certain year idler pullies will not work with certain year pump s9Taling fords). I tried to use a york pump of a 69 351W with an idler and brakcet from a 79 Bronco. the pump fit on no problem, but the clutch assembly was biger and would have hit the idler pully mount. Also, from a what I understand, the york compressors are rated at around 2 CFM 100 PSI. Mine fills up a 25 gallon tank to 100 PSI in less than 5 minutes. OX PS, if you really can't find one, I can probably snag you one next time I'm in the yard. I see them all the time. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:18:56 -0600 From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger) Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 won't turn > I just took off my rebuilt 460 off the engine stand and mated it to a > rebuilt C6. As I tried to turn the engine by hand to tighten the torque > converter-to-flexplate nuts, I realized I could not turn the engine over. > > I know that the engine turned over fine (by hand) a few weeks ago...but I > did not check it prior to taking it off the stand tonight. The torque > converter, seated correctly, turned easily prior to the mating. And the only > thing I added to the engine tonight was bolting on the flex plate. > > Any easy checks before ripping the tranny off? Is the converter seated in the trans? It might be cocked against the front pump. I'd slide it back and seat it if you didn't do it before. You'll wreck the front pump if it isn't right, and you crank it. A 460 turns hard with the plugs in, especially new. Pull a few plugs and see if it turns then. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 05:56:08 PST From: "MARTY COLMAN" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 91 ignition Brett- I just did this to a 86 F250 last weekend, it should be almost identical to yours. The key would turn the ignition on but would not go far enough to engage the starter. It is a reletively easy fix. Take the wheel off and the blinker switch. Pull the collar with key switch and remove the two tilt pivots on either side of column. then engage the tilt to get the section of the column loose and then you can get to the pop-metal piece that is broken. It hooks the ignition rod to the key. Then just put it back together. The part was just under $10 at the dealership. To remove the tilt pivots you need a small slide-hammer with a tiny fine thread bolt in the end of it, we found the correct bolt and used a pair of vise-grips to do the slide-hammer action, but a slide-hammer would work better. The only special tools you need would be the wheel puller and a slide hammer. This pickup has cruise on the wheel and that isn't anything to worry about, it's integrated into the wheel so when it pulls off the cruise is apart too. Marty == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:02:09 -0800 From: "Deacon" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Petronix Ignition From: Bill Deacon Hey, bill Deacon for what? I didn't buy anything! Oh, that's your name isn't it. My bad. :) >Anybody out there have any comments about Petronix electronic ignition >conversions? I am considering installing one on my '66 F-250. Any comments >pro or con would be appreciated. I don't know what engine you have in your truck so this may not apply. I put a Ford Duraspark ignition in my '73 F100 that I got from Pick a Part for $25. I don't know anything about Petronix electronic ignitions. Mostly I just wanted to do my "bill Deacon joke". :) Later! Deacon http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~deconblu/ ================================================================ '76 F350 FE360 C6 \ '73 F100 302 C4 '66 Mustang 289 C4 \ '89 Aerostar Who cares! ============================================== Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:38:36 -0600 From: "Michael Ray Jones" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 77 f150 coil springs I'm going to replace the front coil springs in my 77 2wd f150 460. When I began ordering yesterday, the place I decided to purchase from said that there is not a specific spring listed for my truck. All the F150 springs specifically excluded the 460. He did have springs listed for what he thought would be an F250. The springs were for applications that had a GVWR between 6200 and 7800 pounds. My truck would be at the bottom end of that scale, so I ordered them. I don't mind if the springs are a little stiffer, or even a LITTLE taller, but I don't want the truck to sit level like a 4wd. Has anybody run into this same problem or had a similar experience? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:20:27 -0600 From: John Strauss Subject: FTE 61-79 - HELP!! REBUILT 460 won't turn over >Tonight I ran into a problem...I hope someone can help with an easy fix >prior to me ripping things apart. > > >I just took off my rebuilt 460 off the engine stand and mated it to a >rebuilt C6. As I tried to turn the engine by hand to tighten the torque >converter-to-flexplate nuts, I realized I could not turn the engine over. > >I know that the engine turned over fine (by hand) a few weeks ago...but I >did not check it prior to taking it off the stand tonight. The torque >converter, seated correctly, turned easily prior to the mating. And the only >thing I added to the engine tonight was bolting on the flex plate. > >Any easy checks before ripping the tranny off? > I imagine you have to pull the trans because the most common cause of this is not having the torque converter fully seated in the pump. So when you pull the bellhousing up tight, it binds the converter nose into the pump and locks up the whole thing. As long as you have not forced the engine to turn, then you can just pull the trans, reseat the converter, and reinstall. The way to tell if the converter is all the way in is to see if you can cram your fingers in between the converter and the bell housing. If you can, then the converter is not fully seated. Good luck and let us know what you find. _ _| ~~. John Strauss \, *_} jstrauss inetport.com \( Texas Fight! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:34:08 EST From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - spinnig tie rod ends I've had this problem in the past, I was able to usually get a jack under the end of the tie rod and put just enough pressure on it to hold it in its taper to get the nut off... CJ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 06:39:45 -0800 (PST) From: Martin Miller Subject: FTE 61-79 - seat belt installation... I just bought a 77 f250 supercab. It has the front shoulder harnesses but didn't have the buckles that are attached to the floor. I went to the junk yard and got a pair. When I went t install them, I found that it has a newer floor board weld in minus holes for the seat belt buckles. What would be a good way to install? Would drilling a hole and attaching with same size bolt lock washers and a nut underneath be acceptable? (I want the seatbealts to work if I'm in an accident) or should I try to attach to seat mount (belts are short for that) Any ideas would be greatly appreciated, Martin _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:43:14 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 f150 coil springs >Has anybody run into this same problem or had a similar experience? > Acutally I've got the other one, I've got a 360/390 ford that I'm always tryin to get parts for and they say well it lists for a 460, but not a 390 ... I figure it might be good enough if its for a 460, but when it comes to springs, go with the ones for a 390, the engine weighs the same, maybe a touch more than the 460, so they should work fine for you. As for the 3/4ton springs, hey they'll probably work fine too, no gaurantees on ride quality (or lack of) though ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:46:42 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Are all oils creatied equal? >Well, this weekend I am going to finally drop my 351W into my 79 van. But I >had a question. I could go to the store and buy oil that costs anywhere >from .79 to 3.00 or more a quart. Is there really anything to be gained by >buying this really expensive stuff? What is the differences between these? >I know there is a detergent oil but im still looking around with a blank >face. Any info and opinions on this would be great. Thanks in advance. > Seems like there is an FAQ, maybe linked off of the FTE page ... Anyway as long as you stick with a name brand oil, probably use the same one all the time too, you should be alright. I'd shy away from synthetic blends as I know 3 engines that can attribute seal failures to that, but the full synthetics don't seem to cause a problem, though you will want to break it in on dino juice ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:47:24 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE360/390 pistons >My 360 also had five 360, slipper skirt pistons, and three 390-4V slipper >skirt pistons. I checked the pin hieght by putting 2 pistons ( one marked >360, and one marked 390-4V) on the same wrist pin, side by side. Both >pistons had the same pin height, they were the same pistons, they just >had different casting numbers. > neat, probably ran fine then ... just seems odd that they make such a big deal in Christ's book about them being different, then to find the last years that they aren't ... Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:04:38 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360/390 pistons Can't remember who originally wrote this: >>about pistons prompted me to tear mine own. And much to my surprise I find 5 >> >pistons marked 360 and 3 marked 390 4 V. Whomever> Would you measure the distance from the wristpin to the top of these pistons and tell the FE lovers on this list what your measurements are(as well as your reference points). I'm really curious about this. If you get the same distance on the 360 marked pistons as you do on the 390 marked pistons, then the compression would be the same(relatively speaking), but if you come up with about .140" difference then it should have run rough. I'm totally confused on this issue, as I've always thought those cast in #'s on the piston meant which displacement engine you were working on, and I've been working on the FE's since their introduction in '58. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:17:56 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hacksaws and nut splitters John writes: >>The nut splitter or a hack saw above the nut Either sounds awfully agonizing to me!!! Neanderthal methodology!! Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:20:57 -0500 From: "Rusty Nail" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Intake Tips? I'm putting on a performer manifold and a Edlbrk 600 cfm on my '77 400m this weekend. Would like any hints, tips or things to watch out for when I do this. Do I need to remove the distributor when I do this? Any recommendations on gasket types. Thanks for the input. Rusty in KC '77 Explorer 400m - -- rnail mmgworldwide.com S.Rusty Nail 816.472.5988 ext.183 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:20:47 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ign switch Bret Godfrey writes: >>sorry to get of the subject, but besides my 77' f-250 4x4 I also have a 91' f-150 4x4. Last night the ignition switch went out in my 91'. From the little I understand about ignition switches you have to disassemble the steering wheel and the blinker assembly to get to them, is this something that can be done by me or should I take it to a dealer. I called the dealer and they will sell me the actuator for $10 and charge me $140 to put it in. Any suggestions or comments would be greatly appreciated. This very subject has been discussed in detail on the 80-96-list just within the last couple of weeks. Try them. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:26:25 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Hacksaws and nut splitters At 09:17 AM 3/25/99 , you wrote: >John writes: >>The nut splitter or a hack saw above the nut > >Either sounds awfully agonizing to me!!! Neanderthal methodology!! > Grunt grunt ... grunt ... Some of us don't have much fancy stuff and are reduced to hand tools ... maybe someday when I own my own place I'll look at getting something with a touch more power ...but then that's what the FE is for isn't it ... more power rr.r.rr.rr... :) Just my 2cents wish Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:25:02 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Location Bill Brox writes: >> I live in northern part of Norway. My question is: How did a Bill Brox come to live in Norway??? Azie Magnusson (of Swedish decent) Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:30:50 -0800 (PST) From: draco pacifier.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: EVAP stuff (what year did it start) John LaGrone wrote: > I don't know what year all that stuff started, but I'll bet that > 78 is a mixture year ..... Ox, Another data point for you. When I had my carb re-jetted to pass WA emissions the owner of the shop showed me the book he uses as a reference. It was "Chiltons 1993 edition, Emission Control Systems Application". Since I was looking for another truck, he let me photocopy the years I was interested in. This is what it says for '78. I suspect that Bronco's were listed seperately but probably are similar to trucks in the BTW '74 has a canister in 6000 GVWR or less and 6001 or more in CA. Mark in Southwest Washington www.pacifier.com/~draco - -- '74 F-100 4X4 '74 F-250 Supercab - --------------- 1978 Ford Trucks GVWR 6000 or less Federal; GVWR 8500 or less California FED CAL M A PCV TAC AIS EVP FR CAT EGR SPK 300 X X X X X X 1 X X X 2 3 302 X X X X X X 5 X X X 6 X 351M X X X X X X 8 X X X 6 X 351W X X X X X X 10 X X X 6 X 400 X X X X X X 12 X X X 6 X 460 X X X X X 13 X X X 6 X GVWR 6001 or more Federal; GVWR 8501 or more California FED CAL M A PCV TAC AIS EVP FR CAT EGR SPK 300 X X X X X X 5 330 X X X X X 5 3 351M X X X X X X 3 5 14 3 351W X X X X X X 3 5 14 3 361 X X X X X 5 3 391 X X X X X 5 3 400 X X X X X X 3 5 14 3 460 X X X X X 5 14 3 477 X X X X X 3 5 3 534 X X X X X 3 5 3 (1) Some engines use reed valve system only. Refer to Emission Control information label (2) Backpressure system or conventional system. Refer to Emission Control information label (3) Some engines. Refer to Emission Control information label (5) California only (6) Backpressure system (8) Except some Federal. Refer to Emission Control information label (10) Except some Federal vans. Refer to Emission Control information label (12) Except some Federal automatic transmission. Refer to Emission Control information label (13) Some California automatic transmission. Refer to Emission Control information label (14) Conventional system some engines. Refer to Emission Control information label FED - Federal CAL - California M - Manual Transmission A - Automatic Transmission PCV - Positive Crankcase Ventilation TAC - Thermal Air Cleaner AIS - Air Injection System EVP - Evaporative Canister FR - Fill Pipe Restrictor OC - Catalytic Convertor EGR - Exhaust Gas Recirculation SPK - Spark Control == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:57:58 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tunnels Darrell writes> > A 2X4 with 3 speed or automatic will not have it. >> >>I dont think this is right, as my truck is a 2wd auto and has a removable tunnel. I noticed this when I replaced the tranny. I based my statement on the fact that I currently have a '79 and a '76 both 2wd, that I've used to scavange parts from and neither of them have the removable tunnel. As the old saying goes, " Henry used whatever was handiest at the time of assy" I guess. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:05:59 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 Locked up Matt writes: >>The torque converter, seated correctly, turned easily prior to the mating. Are you absolutely positive that the torque converter didn't slip forward and "Unseat" during the mating process. Loosen the engine to tranny bolts evenly all around until you have approx 1/2" space, and try to turn the engine again. If it turns, the torque converter is not seated properly. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:09:17 -0800 From: "Wiltzius, Tom" Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:Charging system Questions Hi Gang, Please bear with me as I'm sure that these are a questions that have been asked. The charging system in my 62 came from a 68 along with the 360 engine. There is a yellow wire that comes from the moulded connector on the BAT wire that also goes to the A terminal on the regulator (Similar to delaney's drg). At the reg there is another yellow wire connected onto the A connector that has a barrel connector plug on it. this plugs into a capacitor (condensor) that has a ground tab on. This tab is screwed down to the fenderwell with one of the corner mounting screws for the reg. What is this for? Do I need it? Should I replace it along with the reg? I found an instrument cluster from a 64 or 65 that will fit perfectly in my 62. It appears to have all of the original gauges and lights on it. In the left meter hole is an ammeter. the back of the ammeter has two large wires to it (10g ?). How does this meter get connected to the charging system? Thanks in advance for any info, Tom, Reno,NV == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:32:03 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360/390 pistons John Dolson writes: >> I checked the pin hieght by putting 2 pistons ( one marked 360, and one marked 390-4V) on the same wrist pin, side by side. Both pistons had the same pin height, they were the same pistons, they just had different casting numbers. That was what I was afraid I was going to hear. Now !!!!!!!! does anyone following this thread know just exactly what the wristpin locations should be(and I assume the measurement is from the top of the piston to the c/l of the wristpin) on say a 360, a 390, and a 410????? I just had a birthday and one of my gifts was the book on FE/FT's by Steve Christ, but I haven't been all through it yet, so these may be in it. Does anyone know for sure??? Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:34:47 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 locked up Burt Hill writes: >>Is one of the flexplate bolts going through the flexplate and the crankshaft flange and contacting the block?? One time I changed from a flywheel to flexplate and used the flywheel bolts, they traveled through the crank flange and locked up against the block. I, too, did this once, but had forgotten it until I read this post. Very good Burt. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 07:53:48 -0600 From: John LaGrone Subject: FTE 61-79 - replying to FTE list Aubrey, To reply directly to the list, place the following address in the To: field of your e-mail message: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com If you reply with quotes as suggested and then don't trim your post, you will incur the wrath of the FTE list king and queen for wasting bandwidth. I always create a new message, then copy and paste the portion that I want to quote and do another copy and paste with the subject. If copy and paste is too much trouble, then.......... - -John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 09:33:36 -0600 From: John LaGrone Subject: FTE 61-79 - tire bumper heights >>All you guys laughing at us poor NJ slobs, it's comin to a town near you. Let the letter writing begin. Ox, I'm not laughing, I'm crying. :=D7( - -John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:36:09 -0800 (PST) From: Martin Miller Subject: FTE 61-79 - Horn wiring and location...77 F250 My horn is inop on the 77 F250 I just bought. Can someone talk me through locating proper wiring and the horn itself (Can't find it, it's probably not there) so that I may install a working horn. Thanks, Martin _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 10:57:01 -0800 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Petronix Ignition There was an extensive discussion on this a couple of weeks ago. You might want to check the archives. There's also a write up and "how to" article in the May issue of Fourwheeler magazine. "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, riddle them with bullets" - -----Original Message----- From: Bill Deacon To: 61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 11:17 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Petronix Ignition >Anybody out there have any comments about Petronix electronic ignition >conversions? I am considering installing one on my '66 F-250. Any comments >pro or con would be appreciated. Your Pal, Bill == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 11:45:09 PST From: "MARTY COLMAN" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 71 power steering into my 73 I've found a wrecked 71 F100 2wd that I can get the power steering off of. I would like to put it onto my 73 F100 2wd. The 71 has the parts I need: pump, hoses, column and gearbox. But I want to be sure it will all fit correctly before I start. Will the 71 column fit into my 73, are the wires the same, or will I need to do some rewiring? The 71 is an auto and mine is a 4sp, will that cause any problems? Will I need to use my 73 pitman arm or can I just use the one that is already on the 71 box? Will parts interchange from one column to the other, like blinker switch and bearing/bushings? Also the rubber that connects the column to the box is in pieces and mine isn't too great either, can those still be bought from a parts store? Thanks in advance for helpin' me out. Marty Colman == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:14:40 -0500 From: "Matthew Schwartz" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 MOTOR MOUNT Stanchion LOCATIONS? I pulled a 460 out of a 78 F-250 along with the Motor mount stands to put in a 76 F-250. My question is what is the stanchion orientation? Tall one mounted on the driver side? or is the tall stanchion mounted on the passenger side? I had marked the tall stanchion for the drivers side ( with the hard to get at nut near the power steering unit body)...but maybe I got it wrong. Thank you Matt == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:51:23 -0700 From: Mike Orendorf Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP! REBUILT 460 won't turn over thing I added to the engine tonight was bolting on the flex plate.>> I didnot see the original post, but I had the same problem when Ii first set my 460/C-6 up. Is yours an automatic or a stick? If its an Auto, make real sure you got the torque converter hooked up right to the tranny. It has to slide on, (rotate)click, slide in some more, (rotate)click again, either 2 or 3 times, I dont remember. I only slid mine on one time (felt like it was on good, but wasnot) and after about a half an hour of trying to turn the engine over (wouldnot turn over at all) the transsmission fluid pump busted, and then everything turned over great. Of course, tranny was shot...hehehehehe. mail me directly if you have more questions... Mike morendorf uswest.net == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 15:12:02 -0800 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AC pumps >This message is directed at Steve Delanty, but anybody that knows the >answer could jump in anytime. I have been passively searching for an ac >pump to install in my truck and turn into an air compressor, but don't >seem to be having any luck. According to the instructions on Steve's >website, the pump of choice is a "York". I can't find a York, but I have >found a few Motorcraft that look just like the pump in the picture. Are >these one and the same? Is "York" just the type of pump and Motorcraft >is the brand? Matt, York is a brand name. York made zillions of 2-cylinder A/C pumps for vehicles for decades and this style of pump which they made so popular is commonly known as a "York type pump". This style of pump is also made by other manufacturers. Any similar piston type pumps you find are probably suitable for air compressor use. The thing you want to make sure of is that it is a type that has an oil sump to lubricate the pump. Most piston type A/C pumps do. What you do NOT want is one of the round, rotary type pumps or one of the round axial piston/swashplate type pumps. These rely on oil being circulated along with the refrigerent to provide lubrication, and they will die if used for an air compressor. If you're finding pumps that look like the one in the pictures, that's almost certainly the right thing. Remember they come in several different displacements and you want to get the biggest one you can. They look the same externally, the diffence being in the stroke of the crank. You should be able to decode the size from the tag. I told how to decode the York tag in my article, but I dunno about other brands... Steve http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty "There are no stupid questions... just stupid people." == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:37:58 -0800 (PST) From: Pat Brown Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need to sell... what should I ask?!? > > This is a long one, but it might be worth your reading!!! > > I'm going to be buying a house soon, and unfortuantely need to part with my > '77 F-150. I've put alot of time and money and love into the truck, and > hate to see it go. My problem is, I don't have any idea what to ask for it. > I hope someone here can help me out... > Adam, it sounds like a nice truck. I'll leave the pricing to people in your area of the country, check the want ads, visit a few lots, etc. But, consider this. If you're buying a house, you're gonna need a truck! How else are you going to haul all those materials home for your (well, her, or exactly, SWMBO) home improvement projects? I mean, there's the new kitchen cabinets, gravel for walks, lumber for the deck, etc. Think about it! We can talk her, errr, you can talk her into it! :-) FTC: A 77 F-150 will haul any of the above items just fine. :-) Pat Brown Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 08:55:53 -0500 From: James Oxley Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start) robert jasper wrote: > > John LaGrone wrote: > > > >> I guess I'm going to be fighting with the smog man next year when they > > start looking for my EVAP stuff. That means I have to buy a new tank > > too. What a pain in the butt!! Any other 78 owners out there that have > > EVAP stuff. Do 77 Bronco's/pickups/vans have EVAP stuff. > > > > My 78 has the evap canister on the battery side but only the carb is hooked > up... no ports for the tank.... > What would be the point of that? I thought it was mostly for gas tank vapors. Is the tank original? I found JC whitney has tanks with and without the EVAP valve. Thanks for the info. OX == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 12:20:40 -0800 (PST) From: Pat Brown Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - HELP!! REBUILT 460 won't turn over John wrote: [Matt can't turn over 460 after bolting up C6] > I imagine you have to pull the trans because the most common cause of this > is not having the torque converter fully seated in the pump. So when you > pull the bellhousing up tight, it binds the converter nose into the pump > and locks up the whole thing. As long as you have not forced the engine to > turn, then you can just pull the trans, reseat the converter, and reinstall. > > The way to tell if the converter is all the way in is to see if you can > cram your fingers in between the converter and the bell housing. If you > can, then the converter is not fully seated. Good luck and let us know > what you find. And, with the converter unbolted from the flexplate, you should be able to push it back into the tranny a quarter inch or so. If the converter was solid against the flexplate after bolting the tranny on, I'd take the converter out and inspect the oil pump drive tangs carefully . . Pat Brown Glad to be home in Sebastopol, California == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 17:41:15 -0800 From: "sam weatherby" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Sway bar for a '65 F100?? Does anybody know if they ever put sway bars on '65's? Any swaps that should work? Thanks, -srw Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com '70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang '93 F-150 XLT Lightning '65 F100 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:55:10 -0600 From: "Michael R. Masse" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start) James Oxley wrote: > > My 78 has the evap canister on the battery side but only the carb is hooked > > up... no ports for the tank.... > > > > What would be the point of that? I thought it was mostly for gas tank > vapors. Is the tank original? I found JC whitney has tanks with and > without the EVAP valve. Thanks for the info. > I was going to mention this also, that my 78 canister only got fumes from the carb bowl, with no line back to the tank, but thought something must of been disconnected. I went out and took a look tonight, and there are no signs of any sort of line or bracketry which would of connected the canister to the tank. Although I can not guarantee that the tank that came with mine when I got it was original, when considering the condition it was in, I'd be willing to bet that it was, and it had no provisions for a vapor return line. Considering that a carb is much more open to the air, with bowl vents, and gas droplets still hanging around in the intake while a tank is pretty much self contained, with the only opening being a small pinhole in the gas cap to allow air to equalize the pressure as the tank empties, I'd say this almost makes sense. Also, didn't you say that your 78 factory service manuals have vacuum diagrams? Do they show anything as far as how this should be hooked up? I have a set of 78 manuals, and can't find any vacuum diagrams. A number of other people on FTE have mentioned that the 78 manuals don't have them, while the 77 and 79's do. If your set does have vacuum diagrams I'd be curious to take a look at them. Mike == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 19:59:25 -0600 From: "charlest" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need to sell... what should I ask?!? How many people have owned the truck?? How many miles?(since rebuild?) Does the new paint job sport the original colors? I would love to see pics. Wish it was a 4x4, though. Charles Tyer Houston, TX - -----Original Message----- From: Hicks, Adam To: '61-79-list ford-trucks.com' Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 11:00 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need to sell... what should I ask?!? > >This is a long one, but it might be worth your reading!!! > >I'm going to be buying a house soon, and unfortuantely need to part with my >'77 F-150. I've put alot of time and money and love into the truck, and >hate to see it go. My problem is, I don't have any idea what to ask for it. >I hope someone here can help me out... > >It's a 1977 F-150 Custom Red / White / Red. It's a standard cab long bed >with a 460 / C6. It has BRAND new: heads, edelbrock performer 460 manifold, >Holley Quadrajet 750 electric choke vacuum secondary (this was a non-egr >truck - thank God), Mallory high perf. coil, Ryder VST shocks, starter, >pads, shoes, rotors, bearings, huge Duralast battery, plugs, 8mm wires, >dist. cap. A few weeks ago I had the exhaust ripped out from the exhaust >manifold down and had all new 2 1/2" aluminized mandrel bent pipe ran, with >dual Flo-Pro mufflers dumped right before the rear axle. I gave over $300 >for the (very professional) exhaust work. (The truck did not have catalytic >converters, and they are not required for this year.) I've installed a much >nicer Sony stereo, new window channels, all new speakers, all new mirrors, >etc. The Heads / Manifold / Carb work was done by a 25 year+ engine builder >who used all Fel-Pro gaskets, and highest quality parts. > >The body is in great shape. Never been wrecked, no rust... a dent at the >front quarter panel, but shallow and not very noticable. The paint job is >less than a few years old. It's a really nice truck! The interior is in >very good condition as well. It could use a new rubber floor mat, but the >dash, doors and gauges are all perfect. > >The truck runs / drives / brakes (!) excellent. It purrs like a kitten at >stop lights, but it'll leave you behind if you're not careful! I've really >enjoyed the project. > >It needs a good set of tires, and every time I don't drive it for over a >month, the battery drains and I have to jump start it. After that, as long >as it is started every 2-3 weeks, it's just fine. This is probably a relay >sticking or something, I just don't have the time to fix it. > >I've put over $3000 in the truck, not including the purchase price. I think >any of you guys would be proud to own it. I'd like to get near $3000 for >it. I hear the 'trailer special' models (which it is) are a bit more >uncommon. Is this a fair price to ask? I could post pictures with my >digital camera if it would help... > >Thanks for all of your help throughout my ownership of the truck! >Adam Hicks >Ft. Worth, TX >Adam.Hicks ppctx.com >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Mar 1999 20:24:17 -0600 From: Stu Varner Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start) I have a charcoal evap canister from a 72 Effie if anyone needs it to help pass the smog Nazi test! Just pay me shipping charges. Stu Nuke GM! http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu >> > >> I guess I'm going to be fighting with the smog man next year when they >> > start looking for my EVAP stuff. That means I have to buy a new tank >> > too. What a pain in the butt!! Any other 78 owners out there that have >> > EVAP stuff. Do 77 Bronco's/pickups/vans have EVAP stuff. >> > >> >> My 78 has the evap canister on the battery side but only the carb is hooked.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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