FTE 61-79 - 360/390 Pistons

61-79-list-digest Wednesday, March 24 1999 Volume 03 : Number 101

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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - 360/390 Pistons
FTE 61-79 - Keith Srb for President.
FTE 61-79 - No power from '64 six-banger
FTE 61-79 - brakes grab
FTE 61-79 - engine fires (was something else)
FTE 61-79 - gasoline prices
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360/390 Pistons
Re: FTE 61-79 - No power from '64 six-banger
Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum
Re: FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start)
FTE 61-79 - Need posting help
FTE 61-79 - Re: Brakes grab
FTE 61-79 - Drive Train Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need posting help
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need posting help
Re: FTE 61-79 - No power from '64 six-banger
Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum
Re: FTE 61-79 - Drive Train Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum
FTE 61-79 - Re: 352 versus 390 (Fuel Mileage)
FTE 61-79 - PAW catalog
FTE 61-79 - Was Gas Prices, Now Do I miss CA
FTE 61-79 - FE Piston markings
Re: FTE 61-79 - PAW catalog
FTE 61-79 - Skinny wheels
FTE 61-79 - 2X4 cabs vs 4X4 cabs
FTE 61-79 - spinnig tie rod ends
FTE 61-79 - Re: Grilles on Early 60's FT's
Re: FTE 61-79 - PAW catalog
[none]
FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start)
FTE 61-79 - Gas prices - OUCHHEEE!!!!
FTE 61-79 - 2X4 cabs vs 4X4 cabs
Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum
Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum
Re: FTE 61-79 - No power from '64 six-banger
FTE 61-79 - Re:
FTE 61-79 - AC pumps
Re: FTE 61-79 - spinnig tie rod ends
RE: FTE 61-79 - Was Gas Prices, Now Do I miss CA
Re: FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start)
FTE 61-79 - 352 vs.390
FTE 61-79 - Proposed truck lift laws. Oregon and New York
Re: FTE 61-79 - AC pumps
Re: FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start)
RE: FTE 61-79 - 352 vs.390
Re: FTE 61-79 - 2X4 cabs vs 4X4 cabs
Re: FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start)
Re: FTE 61-79 - 2X4 cabs vs 4X4 cabs
Re: FTE 61-79 - AC pumps
Re: FTE 61-79 - 2X4 cabs vs 4X4 cabs
FTE 61-79 - HELP! REBUILT 460 won't turn over

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:04:09 -0600
From: ballingr

ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360/390 Pistons

> >about pistons prompted me to tear mine own. And much to my surprise I find 5
> >pistons marked 360 and 3 marked 390 4 V.
>
> Hmmm...I would think this would have made it run pretty oddly ... unless
> the 360 pistons are really dished to lower the compression ratio to match
> the 390's...

>From the ones I've torn down, they're identical. Flat-tops with 4 valve
reliefs. They just come up lower in the cylinder.
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:17:40 -0600
From: ballingr

ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Keith Srb for President.

> For those that don't know, the core list is a group of
> volunteers who act as advisors to myself/FTE and it also
> facilitates communication for the formation of a national Ford
> truck club. The core is open to anyone willing to volunteer
> their time to discuss the direction of FTE - its not there
> to air your dirty laundry but complaints are acceptable.
>
> Ken Payne
> Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
>
> PS- Give a round of applause to Keith Srb (herbie

ford-trucks.com)
> for being the admin of the 97+, small chassis and performance
> lists. He's sort of the silent unsung hero behind the scenes
> with those lists.

Way to go Keith. I'm not on those lists, but thank you anyway.
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 05:59:31 PST
From: "Park Hunter"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - No power from '64 six-banger

I need a diagnosis check...

Got a '64 Ford with the little six cylinder and a 4-speed. It starts and
idles great, but will barely pull its own weight. I must use the granny
gear to get rolling; second is okay; it barely accelerates in third; and
when I hit fourth I start losing speed. If I dip too deeply into the
throttle it starts to cough and buck.

The original one-barrel carb was a leaky mess, so I replaced it with a
rebuilt unit. Still the same problem.

I now suspect a weak fuel pump since the engine requires a fair amount
of choke to keep running even once it starts to warm up. I'm thinking
that with heavy choke the engine vacuum helps pull fuel from the tank.
This seem sensible? I don't know what replacement fuel pumps costs --
should I just get a cheap electric unit and plump it into the line?

Anything else I should consider as a problem point? I bought this truck
a few months ago and it has spent most of its time sitting in a barn
since (too cold to work, brrr!). Looks like the points, condenser, etc.
have been recently rebuilt but I have no history on the vehicle before I
got it.

Thanks in advance to the consulting Ford physicians...

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:52:29 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - brakes grab

>>Have a 1965 F-100. It's a great truck but I can't seem to repair a
nagging problem. After sitting for a day a two, the brakes on the right
front side grab pretty bad.

Are you sure that the assembly is floating freely? Did you lube the rubbing
blocks behind the shoes? Backing up is what is required to adjust self
adjusting brakes. Also, on drum brakes, when they are applied the shoes
wrap in the same direction as wheel rotation. If you have to apply the
brakes while backing up to unbind the assembly this indicates to me that
something is not correct on the right front slave assembly. It could be a
spring put on backwards or just dry rubbing blocks. When you are going
forward, the shoe that faces rearward does the most braking. If your shoe
set has two different sizes of shoe, the longer one faces rear.

- -John

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:31:43 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360/390 Pistons

>> >about pistons prompted me to tear mine own. And much to my surprise I
find 5
>> >pistons marked 360 and 3 marked 390 4 V.
>>
>> Hmmm...I would think this would have made it run pretty oddly ... unless
>> the 360 pistons are really dished to lower the compression ratio to match
>> the 390's...
>
>From the ones I've torn down, they're identical. Flat-tops with 4 valve
>reliefs. They just come up lower in the cylinder.

Hence my comment about running oddly, lower in the cylinders would have
lowered the compression in 3 of them by quite a bit ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:36:55 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - No power from '64 six-banger

>I now suspect a weak fuel pump since the engine requires a fair amount
>of choke to keep running even once it starts to warm up. I'm thinking
>that with heavy choke the engine vacuum helps pull fuel from the tank.
>This seem sensible? I don't know what replacement fuel pumps costs --
>should I just get a cheap electric unit and plump it into the line?
>
>Anything else I should consider as a problem point? I bought this truck
>a few months ago and it has spent most of its time sitting in a barn
>since (too cold to work, brrr!). Looks like the points, condenser, etc.
>have been recently rebuilt but I have no history on the vehicle before I
>got it.
>
If you have just acquired this truck, I would start with the basics, pull
the plugs and check them, replace them if they are worn or oily ... check
the points (dwell meter works best, feeler gauge will work though), check
the timing. Do all of this with the vehicle warmed up. Hook up a vaccuum
gauge if you've got one and see if you change the carb mixture a little bit
if it will help out there too ... I'd just check everything that can be
tuned up, also a fuel filter might be in order, if it had gas in it when it
was parked it could have done all kinds of neat things to the fuel lines
and such. A new fuel pump would probably run you 15-20bucks...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:39:07 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum

>way, vacuum, should you have some at idle or when you give it gas? I
>don't have any at idle and only 7lbs when I give it some juice. Any
>suggestions?

Where are you checking the vaccuum at ? If you are pulling it off of a
carburetor its possible you've got a "timed" port. Try hooking into one of
the manifold lines directly....

You should have some vaccuum at idle (I think my tired 360 has 17 or so
...) it should drop when you first step on it, then climb when you let off ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 08:42:52 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start)

> I guess I'm going to be fighting with the smog man next year when they
>start looking for my EVAP stuff. That means I have to buy a new tank
>too. What a pain in the butt!! Any other 78 owners out there that have
>EVAP stuff. Do 77 Bronco's/pickups/vans have EVAP stuff.

Seems like my old 74 had the evap stuff on it (charcoal canister and stuff)
... til I found the right gas tank ... the dork who put it together chould
have put the evap stuff on ...

Where're you at? I may still have some/all of that stuff ...

Just my 2cents

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 06:16:49 -0800
From: "Aubrey Freemantle"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need posting help

Hi....

Can you point me to some help on how one is supposed to reply to posts? I
see your posting email address, but that I assume is for original postings,
and it doesn't tell me how to reply and include the original posting so that
the next reader sees the chain. Are the commented replys that I see, done
by extensive manual cutting and pasting by the responder, or have you
engineered an automatic process into your site that I missed somewhere? I
don't mind the manual editing but want to know if I missed some important
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understanding how the others do it.

Please advise. Thanks.

Aubrey Freemantle
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:08:16 PST
From: "b hp"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Brakes grab

I had the same problem with mine...I changed the wheel cylinders, as
already suggested...but I also changed the springs and adjuster cables.
I would have to pump my brakes as soon as I started to drive just to get
them to grab together. The brakes returned to normal after I replaced
the adjuster cables...not sure how it would effect forward braking...but
it worked. I would also inspect all the brake lines and replace anything
that looks cracked, pitted or rusty. I blew my back brake lines after
installing new wheel cylinders all round..the truck still had the single
pot M/C..it was a very scarey few minutes of:
gear-grinding-curb-rubbing-arm-waving-why-did'nt-I-fix-the-horn-sooner?

>>the brakes on the right front side grab pretty bad. Have replaced
outer seals and checked everything and it seems to be o.k. Before I can
drive it, I have to back down the driveway several times
readjusting the brakes.

Bruce
65 Mercury M-100 2WD P/U 240 |6

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:10:31 EST
From: REvans8341

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Drive Train Question

Thanks to Ted in OH, I was able to decipher the VIN on my 72 F-100 and
find out that it came originally with a 302 V8. It now has what I'm told is a
rebuilt 360 from an unknown year. I have 2 questions here. Number one
is..... can I find out what exact engine I have from any numbers or markings
on the motor itself and if so, where would I look? Number two is...... it
appears that when the engine was replaced, all the other drive train
components (3 speed automatic tranny, drive shaft and rear end) are the
original, so will the increased torque from the 360 be too much for the rest
of the drive train, which was originally built to handle the 302. Any help
or advice here will be greatly appreciated.
Bob
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:16:56 -0500
From: Rob Long
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need posting help

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 07:46:35 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - No power from '64 six-banger

Park Hunter wrote:

> I need a diagnosis check...
>
> Got a '64 Ford with the little six cylinder and a 4-speed. It starts and
> idles great, but will barely pull its own weight.

Snip

I read that it has been sitting in a barn for a while. You might want to
add to the list of basics a look at the exhaust system. Some little
creatures may have filled the tail pipe up with stuff. Replacing the carb
was a good start. Also take a look at the compression and look for valve
leaks. Some might be sticky and at higher rpm might float a little.
- --
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duckdon

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99 Contour SE Sport
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:24:44 -0600
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum

Am I understanding correctly, that you can use the amount of vacuum to help
set the air/fuel mix on a carb. Is the idea to set the mixture screw at the
point where you get the highest vacuum?

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From: William S Hart
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum

> >way, vacuum, should you have some at idle or when you give it gas? I
> >don't have any at idle and only 7lbs when I give it some juice. Any
> >suggestions?
>
> Where are you checking the vaccuum at ? If you are pulling it off of a
> carburetor its possible you've got a "timed" port. Try hooking into one
of
> the manifold lines directly....
>
> You should have some vaccuum at idle (I think my tired 360 has 17 or so
> ...) it should drop when you first step on it, then climb when you let
off ...
>
>
> Just my 2cents
>
> wish
>
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:39:56 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Drive Train Question

> Thanks to Ted in OH, I was able to decipher the VIN on my 72 F-100 and
>find out that it came originally with a 302 V8. It now has what I'm told is a
>rebuilt 360 from an unknown year. I have 2 questions here. Number one
>is..... can I find out what exact engine I have from any numbers or markings
>on the motor itself and if so, where would I look?

Well to find out if its a 360 now (which somehow I doubt), the easiest
thing to do is pop the hood and check the intake manifold ... if the
manifold goes up under the valve covers, then its an FE (360/390/428 etc)
... the spark plugs on the middle two cylinders will also point towards
each other. Once you've established that it is or isn't an FE, there are a
few ways to determine the year it could be from.

Number two is...... it
>appears that when the engine was replaced, all the other drive train
>components (3 speed automatic tranny, drive shaft and rear end) are the
>original, so will the increased torque from the 360 be too much for the rest
>of the drive train, which was originally built to handle the 302. Any help
>or advice here will be greatly appreciated.

Well since a 360 won't bolt up to a 302 bellhousing, most likely they
didn't put a 360 in it, a 351 possibly ... your best bet will be to pull a
couple of part numbers if you can ... the intake manifold or exhaust
manifolds ... something like that... pictures can do wonders as well ...
check some of the people's websites for pics of motors (I don't have one,
but my links page has some people with pics on theirs), then compare those
with yours ...

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:41:53 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum

At 11:24 AM 3/24/99 , you wrote:
>Am I understanding correctly, that you can use the amount of vacuum to help
>set the air/fuel mix on a carb. Is the idea to set the mixture screw at the
>point where you get the highest vacuum?
>
Yup, pretty much ... same thing can be done with timing, adjust it for the
highest vaccuum and then drive it, gives you a good baseline and has really
helped me out with my 360 ...

Big tip! be sure you're hooked to manifold vaccuum, not the ported on the
carb, if you hit the gas on the carb and the vaccuum goes up, then you've
got the ported one, try and get it off of the manifold directly if you can
(a tree in the back that's plugged perhaps?)

Just my 2cents

wish

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:30:25 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 352 versus 390 (Fuel Mileage)

On Tue, 23 Mar 1999, William S Hart wrote:
>
> >With my old truck and mud tires, I ran 25 all the way around: it made
> >for even wear and also was nice to go wheeling on the spur of the
> >moment.
>
> This didn't wear the outsides of the tires ? were they extremely wide on
> the rims or something ?

31x10.50x15 on 8" rims...I know that they were wearing evenly because I
wore out several sets on that truck. If anything, they still wore a
little to the center on the rears. '70 C/10, 350

> Also is that why you lowered from 51 to 47 on the
> diesel ? Seems like at 25 your handling would suck ... thanks I like my
> truck to turn when the wheels do though :)

Handling wasn't that bad. On the diesel, I have 31x10.50x16.5 and by
calculating the size of the original metric tires I found that they were
about 31 inches around but narrower. So I applied a percentage to the
widths and dropped the pressure. If they had been different height as
well I would have had to go into the surface area of the contact patch,
etc...still they wear to the outside but I think that may be a function
of the TIB and also the loose bushings I just replaced.

> The 65 rear is the max
> >pressure, it actually specifies 80 I think for stock tires. So far the
> >rears wear like iron, and ride like it too, even empty,
>
> You mean especially empty right ? It would smooth out as weight was added,
> subtracted there will be nothing (except fuel and the box) to increase the
> pressure on the tires, only then will you get sidewall flex and some "give"
> in the tires ...

I meant the "especially empty" to go with "wears like iron", dashed that
off too quick, but you are right, gosh that thing rides hard. Feels
like it is getting the rear end airborne when I go on these patched up
back roads around here. Anyway I think I have rambled long enough.

Birken
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:42:18 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - PAW catalog

I just got my PAW (Performance Automotive Wholesale) parts catalog and WOW!
If anyone is considering an engine rebuild I would say don't start the
planning without one of these gems. Can you say 1125 pages of automotive
powertrain related stuff!!!! I have a 390 FE and the only aftermarket
intake manifold I've seen discussed or heard of before this is the Edelbrock
performer and performer rpm. Well guess what.. . the PAW catalog lists
those 2 and 5 others including 2 dual 4-barrel designs!!! Also they have
several cams and roller tip rocker arms, full motor rebuild kits, headers,
transmission kits etc, etc, etc. Even if you don't intend on buying
anything from PAW, the catalog is well worth the $5.00 US to find out what
is available from various manufacturers

Tom H.
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 10:42:16 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Was Gas Prices, Now Do I miss CA

O.K. I will Ask, do you miss California?

ES in sunny and warm California

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The only thing I miss about CA was the nice people that lived there (yes
there were some but they are everywhere if you look -- You usually find what
you are looking for) and the weather. However when I tally the balance
sheet the reasons I had for wanting to leave CA outweighd the reasons to
stay. I moved to Maine (couldn't find anyplace further away! ;0) ) and my
quality of living has gone up about %1000! I lived in CA for 8 years and
had a very good time while it lasted but with a young family to raise my
wife and I decided to leave the rat race to the other rats -- we just didn't
want to play anymore.

BTW I was in the Silicone Valley. I know there are some other very nice
places to live that have a slower pace of life in CA but they were all to
far away from the valley to be useful.

And two of the biggest benifits 1. I can afford a Huge garage. and 2. There
are currently no smog laws in ME.
Tom H

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:52:09 -0500
From: am14

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Piston markings

Smokey writes: >> My question is do I buy all 360 pistons now or
can I use the pistons that came out. Are the connecting rods on the 390
pistons going to be different from the ones on the 360 pistons? I don't want to
mix them up when I change the wrist pins if they are.

If it ran good and smoothe as it was, I'd be sure to keep the rods and pistons
matched as they came out and reuse them, unless of course it has to be bored.
Thats a whole 'nother story.
Morale is that if it worked previously, it will work again.
Connecting rods should be the same, but .......!!..

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:05:20 -0500
From: Rob Long
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - PAW catalog

Tom,
Where do I have to go to order one of these PAW catalogs? Do they have
a web page ??

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Rob

mailto:rob_long

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Skinny wheels

Brian Logan writes:>>I'm running the skinny stock wheels and tires until the
price of gas goes down.

That might be an awfully long time, brian.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:18:23 -0500
From: am14

daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 2X4 cabs vs 4X4 cabs

Mr Ford writes: >>Does the 2WD version of the cab have the cut-out and a plate
like the 4x4 does

The 4X4 or 2X4 doesn't determine the tunnel cover being removable. The fact
that it has a shifter coming up through the floor is the determining factor. A
2X4 with 3 speed or automatic will not have it. A 4 speed (granny gear) with
the shifter coming up through the floor board will have the removable cover..
There are 2 different heights of these removable covers though, and I'm not sure
what determines the differences in height, but probably the 4X4 with a 4 speed
and the transfer case shifter both coming up through the floor would be the
determining factor. Just a guess.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:23:53 -0600
From: "John R. Austin"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum

Thanks. I've got a port that was plugged which is right in the manifold. I
tapped it to power a cruise control (that still doesn't work BTW). I'll give
it a try. Appreciate it.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: William S Hart
To:
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum

> At 11:24 AM 3/24/99 , you wrote:
> >Am I understanding correctly, that you can use the amount of vacuum to
help
> >set the air/fuel mix on a carb. Is the idea to set the mixture screw at
the
> >point where you get the highest vacuum?
> >
> Yup, pretty much ... same thing can be done with timing, adjust it for the
> highest vaccuum and then drive it, gives you a good baseline and has
really
> helped me out with my 360 ...
>
> Big tip! be sure you're hooked to manifold vaccuum, not the ported on the
> carb, if you hit the gas on the carb and the vaccuum goes up, then you've
> got the ported one, try and get it off of the manifold directly if you can
> (a tree in the back that's plugged perhaps?)
>
>
> Just my 2cents
>
> wish
>
> Links
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html
> '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
> '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/mustang.html
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 12:47:14 -0800 (PST)
From: JP Morgon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - vacuum

Vacuum lines?? I don't have any on my truck. Its nice not having all
those lines all over the place getting in the way.
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:47:31 EST
From: SHill48337

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - No power from '64 six-banger

In a message dated 3/24/99 8:06:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,
duckdon

pacific.net writes:

add to the list of basics a look at the exhaust system. Some little
creatures may have filled the tail pipe up with stuff. >>

I would like to endorse the idea of checking out the exhaust system. I bought
a basket case MGB that had spent a couple of years in a barn, reassembled it
and every time I tried to work the engine it would sputter and almost die.
The clue I got that saved me from going crazy was, one time I heard the
pressure bleeding out of the tail pipe through the exhaust manifold gasket
after I let off the gas. Mice had packed the pipes and muffler with stuff
that I did not see when putting it together. Because the pipes were not
straight I had to cut them up clean them out and weld them back together, even
the garden hose wouldn't work.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:48:41 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:

>91' f-150 4x4. Last night the ignition switch went out in my 91'.
>From the little I understand about ignition switches you have to
>disassemble the steering wheel and the blinker assembly to get to them,
>is this something that can be done by me or should I take it to a
>dealer. I called the dealer and they will sell me the actuator for $10
>and charge me $140 to put it in. Any suggestions or comments would be
>greatly appreciated.

Is it the upper actuator that cracked ? I pulled it all apart on my
sister's 91, but couldn't get the actuator to fit quite right because of
the tilt wheel so I ended up taking it in ... I think I have a diagram from
a chilton's manual layin around on this computer somewhere if you want a
copy of it...

Just my 2cents

wish

Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/links.html
'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/truck.html
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 13:16:00 -0800
From: MC
Subject: FTE 61-79 - AC pumps

This message is directed at Steve Delanty, but anybody that knows the
answer could jump in anytime. I have been passively searching for an ac
pump to install in my truck and turn into an air compressor, but don't
seem to be having any luck. According to the instructions on Steve's
website, the pump of choice is a "York". I can't find a York, but I have
found a few Motorcraft that look just like the pump in the picture. Are
these one and the same? Is "York" just the type of pump and Motorcraft
is the brand?

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Matt Cozad
1994 Toyota 4Runner 4x4 "Yoda"
1970 F100 4x4 "Jabba the Truck"
1969 F100 4x4 "Spare Parts"

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 16:24:38 -0500
From: David Wadson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - spinnig tie rod ends

>>>Fix:
>Probably the best thing will be to soak it in penetrating oil for a while,
>also tapping on the bolt/nut may help to loosen things up a bit. Maybe
>tapping the tie-rod in farther would wedge it up tight enough to hold it?
>otherwhise a nut splitter or you may end up just cutting the old one off ...
>
>Sounds like a job for... pipe wrench. If it was me I would figure on
>replacing this spinning tie rod end and so wouldn't worry about destroying
>it so that I could get a good hold wth Mr. Stilson. The nut splitter or a
>hack saw above the nut (no off color comments here) would probably be
>easier.

If you put your tie-rod removal tool/pickel fork/tuning fork on the tie rod
end, you can then tighten and loosen the nut. It's kind of the reverse of
removing it and it puts enough tension on the end so you can remove/install
the nut.

David Wadson - wadsond

air.on.ca
"PS2" - 78 F100/302/C4

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 14:38:40 -0800
From: Eric Sneed
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Was Gas Prices, Now Do I miss CA

fair enough, I have to agree that it is very expensive to live in the
bay area(I am also a silicon valley resident). As far as the smog laws
are concerned, I look at that differently. yes we have tough smog laws
here and have had them for quite some time now, but these laws will
eventually be everywhere. So I think that we have a head start on the
rest of the country when it comes to improving the performance of our
Ford vehicles and still complying to these strict laws. I remember when
fuel injection was looked down upon by performance enthusiasts, now we
all know the benefits of fuel injected vehicles. These benefits are
especially appreciated by those of us who like to take our daily driven
Ford trucks off road.

ES in sunny warm and expensive California

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> From:Hogan, Tom [SMTP:Tom.Hogan

kla-tencor.com]
> Sent:Wednesday, March 24, 1999 10:42 AM
> To:61-79-list

ford-trucks.com
> Subject:FTE 61-79 - Was Gas Prices, Now Do I miss CA
>
>
> O.K. I will Ask, do you miss California?
>
> ES in sunny and warm California
>
> =================
>
> The only thing I miss about CA was the nice people that lived there
> (yes
> there were some but they are everywhere if you look -- You usually
> find what
> you are looking for) and the weather. However when I tally the
> balance
> sheet the reasons I had for wanting to leave CA outweighd the reasons
> to
> stay. I moved to Maine (couldn't find anyplace further away! ;0) )
> and my
> quality of living has gone up about %1000! I lived in CA for 8 years
> and
> had a very good time while it lasted but with a young family to raise
> my
> wife and I decided to leave the rat race to the other rats -- we just
> didn't
> want to play anymore.
>
> BTW I was in the Silicone Valley. I know there are some other very
> nice
> places to live that have a slower pace of life in CA but they were all
> to
> far away from the valley to be useful.
>
> And two of the biggest benifits 1. I can afford a Huge garage. and 2.
> There
> are currently no smog laws in ME.
> Tom H
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:55:05 -0700
From: robert jasper
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start)

John LaGrone wrote:

> >> I guess I'm going to be fighting with the smog man next year when they
> start looking for my EVAP stuff. That means I have to buy a new tank
> too. What a pain in the butt!! Any other 78 owners out there that have
> EVAP stuff. Do 77 Bronco's/pickups/vans have EVAP stuff.
>

My 78 has the evap canister on the battery side but only the carb is hooked
up... no ports for the tank....

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 17:18:10 -0600
From: Jerry Barr
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 352 vs.390

I have a 70 F250 with a 390, 16.5 bias ply tires, 4 barrel holly 600
cfm, 272 degree cam, 4.10 diff, and still pull 10 mpg on the highway. I
am happy. I guess it all depends what you want from your Ford. Mine
pulls a 5 to 6 thousand pound trailer.
I go up and down hills with barely a movment of the throttle. Martha
cruises at about 2800 rpm at 65 mph.

Jerry
Sturgeon Bay WI

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 11:24:04 -0500
From: James Oxley
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Proposed truck lift laws. Oregon and New York

Hey all

Just got off the phone with the head of CVAG/COVA (Classic Vehicle
Advocate Group/Council of Vehicle Advocates). He alerted me to 2 new
lift law proposals in Oregon and New York.

Oregaon Bill is SB574, sponsored by John Limm??. Bill content includes
a max bumper height change of only 3 inches. No drop down bumpers willbe
allowed.

NY bills SP3096/AB5740 are along the same lines as Oregon's bill.
Nothing over 3" change in bumper heights. NY also has an upcoming bill
that will be a companion to this bill that would outlaw any change in
wheel/tire sizes. I have not found out a bill number on that one
yet.

All you guys laughing at us poor NJ slobs, it's comin to a town near
you. Let the letter writing begin.

OX (J. Oxley)
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 15:30:49 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AC pumps

MC wrote:

> This message is directed at Steve Delanty, but anybody that knows the
> answer could jump in anytime. I have been passively searching for an ac
> pump to install in my truck and turn into an air compressor, but don't
> seem to be having any luck. According to the instructions on Steve's
> website, the pump of choice is a "York". I can't find a York, but I have
> found a few Motorcraft that look just like the pump in the picture. Are
> these one and the same? Is "York" just the type of pump and Motorcraft
> is the brand?
>
> --
> Matt Cozad

Hi Matt

York is the pump or line of pumps. York made pumps for Ford, Chev,
Dodge, and many others but they are all basically the same except for size
and design changes over the years. I have one on my truck that I use for
air tools and air bag helper springs. They are tough little units. There
are 3 sizes that were available and are listed on Steves site. I have the
middle one and find it supplies lots of air except at idle. Look for early
70's pickups with a/c for the mounting hardware and just about any car or
truck from the mid 60's to late 70's for the compressor. I have found a
few that someone else took off the motor to get to the heads.

Good luck

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Don Grossman
duckdon

mail.wiscnet.net]
> Sent:Thursday, March 25, 1999 12:18 AM
> To:Ford Truck Enthusiasts-61-79
> Subject:FTE 61-79 - 352 vs.390
>
> I have a 70 F250 with a 390, 16.5 bias ply tires, 4 barrel holly 600
> cfm, 272 degree cam, 4.10 diff, and still pull 10 mpg on the highway. I
> am happy. I guess it all depends what you want from your Ford. Mine
> pulls a 5 to 6 thousand pound trailer.
> I go up and down hills with barely a movment of the throttle. Martha
> cruises at about 2800 rpm at 65 mph.
>
> Jerry
> Sturgeon Bay WI
>
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 20:11:25 EST
From: JUMPINFORD

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 2X4 cabs vs 4X4 cabs

In a message dated 3/24/99 11:25:08 AM Pacific Standard Time,
am14

daimlerchrysler.com writes:

>

I dont think this is right, as my truck is a 2wd auto and has a removable
tunnel. I noticed this when I replaced the tranny. Even laughed a lil at the
fact that somone from the factory was really tired cuz 4 of the bolts are
threaded right through the floor and not the clips.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:14:28 -0500
From: "John F. Bauer III"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - EVAP stuff (what year did it start)

Just for my $.02, asked my father, the original owner of my '78 E100 and it
had the EVAP on the passenger's side with the carb and tank running to it.
He was notified by mail by Ford to bring the van in for service and Ford
smashed (I guess, technically sliced a diagonal cut in) the canister as
part of a "recall". Why, he was't sure but he assures me the Ford service
dept. did this on purpose.

John

>
> Yeah, no cats, but convincing the smog nazies that it had no EVAP,
>when the Ford 78 shop manuals said it does, will be fun. what proof do I
>have that is didn't originally have it. It would piss me off to have to
>change tanks for this.
>
> Thanks to everyone who replied. Doesn't seem to be any concensus as
>to what year it started.
>
> OX

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 21:58:57 -0500
From: cannandale

netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 2X4 cabs vs 4X4 cabs

I believe that its the tranny that you have, because (eventhough this was a
2wd truck, it still might be right), i was ordering a carpert for a '78
F150 i had and they asked if i had a c4/c5 or a c6, they said that the
tunnel for a c6 was bigger.. maybe im rihgt, maybe im not, oh well... :)

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 03:19 PM 3/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Mr Ford writes: >>Does the 2WD version of the cab have the cut-out and a
plate
>like the 4x4 does
>
>The 4X4 or 2X4 doesn't determine the tunnel cover being removable. The fact
>that it has a shifter coming up through the floor is the determining
factor. A
>2X4 with 3 speed or automatic will not have it. A 4 speed (granny gear) with
>the shifter coming up through the floor board will have the removable cover..
>There are 2 different heights of these removable covers though, and I'm
not sure
>what determines the differences in height, but probably the 4X4 with a 4
speed
>and the transfer case shifter both coming up through the floor would be the
>determining factor. Just a guess.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 1999 22:03:32 -0500
From: cannandale

netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - AC pumps

they are the exact same thing, acutally york made them, just motocraft put
their name on them. I got a brand new one for my truck because i didnt
want to go to the hassle of getting a bad one. I was picking up a piece at
a palce called ac brake company, and they told me they were made by york
too. they still sold them there to use on semi's for the air brakes. but
a steve said on his page, it gace the stoke (or the jug volume?) of the
compressor, 8, 9, 10, i know of no way of telling on the motocraft
compressors. hope this helps a little bit..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

oh yea, if you do get a motorcraft compressor, since there is no R or L
telling which side to hook the lines up, just look at the top, one will be
labeled S for suction and the other D for discharge..

At 04:22 PM 3/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>This message is directed at Steve Delanty, but anybody that knows the
>answer could jump in anytime. I have been passively searching for an ac
>pump to install in my truck and turn into an air compressor, but don't
>seem to be having any luck. According to the instructions on Steve's....

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