61-79-list-digest Thursday, January 14 1999 Volume 03 : Number 010



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - 68 or 71??
FTE 61-79 - 5-speed trannys
FTE 61-79 - Pitman Arm....for next time
FTE 61-79 - Front Disc Brakes for 4x4
FTE 61-79 - Re: Impounding my F-100
FTE 61-79 - no fuel carb
FTE 61-79 - No pwr steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc Brakes for 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - T-18 experts
FTE 61-79 - M50D / Clark 208
FTE 61-79 - Starter problems
FTE 61-79 - T's
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Impounding my F-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Impounding my F-100
FTE 61-79 - power steering pumps
Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering pumps
FTE 61-79 - Re: Heater hot water valve
Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering pumps
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Party
Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering pumps
FTE 61-79 - E-mail account
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE 302 carb problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering pumps
FTE 61-79 - Re: Engines in U-Haul trucks
Re: FTE 61-79 - trucktough.com
Re: FTE 61-79 - T's
Re: FTE 61-79 - Header gaskets ; hard starting whi
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Impounding my F-100
Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering pumps
FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79 Which AOD?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79 Which AOD?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Party
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Engines in U-Haul trucks

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:18:38 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 68 or 71??

>> Here's a case for all you Ford Detectives out there.
>Okay, John, I'll take a crack at it. Here's what I think:
>I think you have a 1968 truck that has been mixed-n-matched
I agree!
>The VIN plate missing is probably because the guy who did all
>this didn't have a clear title to one of the trucks and ripped
>the plate off so that he could "match" this vehicle with the
>1971 title.
All righty then, go to the front right (pass side) frame rail on top near
where the
little charcoal canister is (maybe back a little toward the cab)and see what
the VIN number sez. It should be right there and match the VIN number on
your title.
This will tell you exactly what year the frame is, probably the brakes too.
Surely that guy wouldn't have swapped spindles - even for grins.
>The engine could be out of anything;
Look under the coil for a 3 or 4 inch long and 5/8ths inch wide engine ID tag.
It should tell us what the engine is from - provided it is still
there........however I would say not likely from the sound of it all.
>The bumper is probably off of the 1971, the hood is either correct
>for a 1968 or it's the 1971 with the trim removed. I'm guessing
>there.
The hood should have 2 hood bumpers per side if a 71 hood, and if a 68 hood,
it has one hood bumper on each side. Also, the 71 would havbe holes where
the trim used to be. Also, What does the instrument panel look like?? You
can pull the panel and find the date, it will be stamped as to when it was
built in ink like the radio.
You do need to pull the wiring harness (easy) from the back of it and
disconnect the speedo cable. 71 and 68 instrument panels were different
shape and paint scheme if I am not mistaken. Steering wheel is another
clue. 71 and 72 wheels had the single bar across the center and one piece
plastic. The 67-70 steering wheeels had the 3 spokers.
Look at the rear end dif. tag bolted to the passengers side front area. It
will look similar to the engine id tag. It should have the year of application.
What does the sticker on the drivers door jamb say? Has it been removed?
The door VIN plate you said was missing. On the bottom of the radio it
should be stamped with a date in ink, usually blue.
What about the rear side bed markers that run along the belt line. Are they
present?
If so the bed is a 71. If absent the bed is a 68.
>
>Mind you, this is only my theory. It does seem to fit the facts
>and it is certainly plausible. Good luck!

Yeah I agree, and I am also one who also thinks there was a second shooter
on the grassy area in Dallas and that Elvis is still alive and well.
Richard Petty has been driving Jeff Gordon's car secretively because only
the King could be as good as him. I could go on but i won't. Anyway - I do
have to think something is really wacky with your truck.

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:08:02 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 5-speed trannys

>I have a '79 F150, 300-6 and I would *really* like to put in a
>5 speed from an '80-'90s F150.
>
>Can anyone tell me what model year they started bolting 5 speeds
>to the 300 six? I've looked at the Edmunds web page but'89 is
>the oldest truck they listed.
>
1989 is the first year the M5OD trans was offered. Prior to that it was a
4-speed OD. I believe that one was a Borg-Warner unit and was first
offered in 1978 or thereabouts.

>Also, does anyone know who makes the 5spd or anything
>about it? Gear ratios? Transfer cases it works with? How about
>a tranny with more gears from a commercial truck that would bolt
>to the 300-6. I don't mind getting new shafts made.
>
It's made by Mazda and the OD ratio is about .85 or so.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:21:41 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pitman Arm....for next time

Maybe while putting on that pitman arm, put a little anti-seize on the
splines....should be easier to pull it off next time....

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:21:51 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc Brakes for 4x4

I saw where someone was asking if you could just change spindles and
hubs/rotors to update for disc brakes. If you are talking about the 4x4's,
you'll also need to change the steering knuckles. The newer spindles have
fewer mounting holes. I suppose you could re-drill the spindles.....don't know
if thats a good idea or not...

You'll also have to switch tie rods....they made the tapered holes bigger on
the disc brake knuckles....you can either just switch the main tie rod, and
hook your existing drag link in, or switch the drag link as well, but you'll
want to change the pitman if you are going to do this so the drag link is
"below" the pitman rather than above...

By the way, the 76-up F-250 44 HD spindles/hubs will bolt right onto the
1/2-ton 44's with the disc brake knuckles......

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:35:31 -0600 (CST)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Impounding my F-100

Steve,
I am assuming that you don't know who is making the complaints about your truck. If
so, start by being *real* nice to the cop, apologize for them having to do this when they
are probably much more busy (even if you don't believe it). If the cop aint a total jerk,
he'll (or she'll) probably be pretty sympathetic when they see your truck and hear you
haven't been driving it UNTIL you could get the brakes fixed because it would be unsafe.
Maybe they will tell you who's making the complaints. Then after you pass, if you don't
drive the truck (and I think you should - letting a nice old truck sit is a sin) the next time a
complaint is made you can call down to the cops saying its just Mr (or Ms) X doing it
AGAIN, that you've already been inspected by cop Y and you don't understand why this
person is harassing you....

If you can find out who's making the complaints, go talk to them. Visit them in
person, be very very nice, tell them the brakes needed work and you don't want to be
responsible for killing some lady and her kid because the truck shouldn't have been driven.
Let them know that in the future you would appreciate they talk to you before going to the
cops for problems they have with you. If the cop wont give you the complainer's name,
ask them to deliver the message for you.

In the end, the person who did it will probably be feeling real stupid, lose some credibility
with the cops (especially if they do this kinda thing alot, and I will bet that they do), the
cops will be cool with you, and hopefully your truck will be on the road.

Keep us posted
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:41:05 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - no fuel carb

Raymond Parsons writes: >>
I replaced the fuel pump on my 67 352 and am still not getting fuel to the
carburetor. I suspect I have a problem somewhere between the tank and the
pump. Tonight I am going to see if the pump picks up fuel from another
container (possible I am not getting the pump shaft onto the cam).

Look for small pinholes in the line between the fuel pump and tank. Pull
the pickup line from the tank and see if the bottom end is rotted off (it
is a steel line all the way to the near bottom of the tank, and
occasionally evaporation will cause moisture to collect in bottom of tank
and rust out the line). As you say, check the pump in some container other
than than your tank.
I really don't think you can pull the fuel pump all the way up to the block
if you have the pump arm in above the eccentric(it goes below the
eccentric). I have a very hard time getting the bolts started on most fuel
pumps I replace. I always seem to get the engine stopped with the
eccentric in the highest point for the fuel pump arm and I can't see into
the hole to find the lower spot as I rotate the engine, so I usually mark
the Vibration damper with chalk and turn the cranK one complete revolution(
this turns the cam one half revolution) and I try again until I get on the
part of the eccentric that gives me the most freedom from binding.

Good luck

AZIE
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:02:38 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - No pwr steering

Bill Comstock writes: >>I was just wondering if anyone could suggest why
my '78 f150 has a
tendency to lose power steering when i go through deep water holes?

Belt gets wet - wont turn the pump under stress, but as soon as it slips
enough to create enough heat to disipate the water, it functions normally
again.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 09:07:01 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Front Disc Brakes for 4x4

>I saw where someone was asking if you could just change spindles and
>hubs/rotors to update for disc brakes. If you are talking about the 4x4's,
>you'll also need to change the steering knuckles. The newer spindles have
>fewer mounting holes. I suppose you could re-drill the spindles.....don't know
>if thats a good idea or not...
>
This was my posting ... I was curious because apparently the 74's had
optional front discs, my truck didn't though, and since they were the same
year, I was wondering how much would be the same this time ... I was hoping
the problem you describe above were for older trucks with newer disc brakes


>You'll also have to switch tie rods....they made the tapered holes bigger on
>the disc brake knuckles....you can either just switch the main tie rod, and
>hook your existing drag link in, or switch the drag link as well, but you'll
>want to change the pitman if you are going to do this so the drag link is
>"below" the pitman rather than above...
>
It isn't already ? Hmmm...since mine was put together from several trucks
I don't think mine is actually stock in more than two or three ways ... I
knew I was in trouble when he put a 2wd cab on a 4x4 and left the master
cylinder from the 4x2 on !

>By the way, the 76-up F-250 44 HD spindles/hubs will bolt right onto the
>1/2-ton 44's with the disc brake knuckles......

Will this switch me to 8lug wheels ? I'm really just looking to upgrade
stopping power. My drums work fine for what I do, but just want the discs
... just because mostly ...

If anyone can send me pics of what their front suspension looks like with
the disc brakes and power steering like its supposed to work (not the
goofy assist thing I've got) then maybe I can figure out what I want versus
what I have ...

Bill
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:25:09 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - T-18 experts

Chris Samuel wrote:

> The popping out of gear issue is one that I would like to get an answer to
> also.
> I have "rebuilt" mine 4 times and taken it to 3 Trans shops, attempting to
> cure this problem. The symptoms are similar with the Trans popping out of
> gear when under power in 4th. and walking out of gear when decelerating in
> 3rd.
>

snip' lots of detail.

In all your rebuilding did you check the little nylon pads on the shift forks? They
can wear and/or fall off reducing the travel of the gears so they don't completely
mesh.

$.02
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 07:52:22 -0800
From: "Jeff Hannon"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - M50D / Clark 208

I've seen other references to using a Clark 5-speed but never any more
info but the name. Any hints as to how to ID one in the junk yard? What
make/model dump truck are the usually in?

Jeff

> The 5 speed in the late Ford trucks is the M5OD Mazda OD5-speed similar
> to the one in the Ranger(the Ranger also used a M5OD Mitsubishi OD
> 5-speed) It has a taller low gear than I like, and isn't a real strong
> towing trans. It all depends on what you use it for. If it won't be
> pulling a lot of weight it should work OK.
>
> I think they used the BW-1356 T-case behind them, which also isn't my
> first choice for work.
>
> My trans of choice would be a Clark 208 5-speed OD out of a dump truck
> with a divorce mounted NP205 or Dana 24, but that's really overkill in a
> light duty commuter truck. But it's what I plan to do someday to my
> '65.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:11:40 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Starter problems

Tom Wiltzius writes: >>The starter cranks slowly after engine has been run
awhile almost like a run
down battery, but after it sits awhile cranks real well.
I know this has been discussed in the past but I cannot rememberr the
answers.

What is commonly referred to as "dragging starter". Usually one of the
fields opens up and you are trying to start on just half the normally
available power. or one of the brushes is loosing contact - which is still
half power.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 11:52:11 -0500
From: "Mike & Carrie Elmer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - T's

Ken,Need not post this but I just took alook at the T-shirt design.You and
the artist get an Ata-Boy fror that one.Can't wait to get mine. Mike
Elmer

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 08:52:29 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Impounding my F-100

Thanks for your message at 08:08 PM 1/12/99 -0800, Mike Pacheco. Your
message was:
>I can't believe all the tests this vehicle has to go through !!!! Half of
>the vehicles in Berkeley couldn't pass that test.... some of those college
>students are lucky if they run at all....Of course the last time I was in
>Berkeley was 10 years ago.. about the same time as the Berkeley Barb
>disappeared...
>
>Mike in Seattle

Yes, Berkeley seems to have come a long ways since The People's Park...
Maybe you could park it there...?
Dennis L. Pearson

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 10:23:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Impounding my F-100

After a few people posted what we would all LIKE to do,

Bryan wrote:
> steve,
> I am assuming that you don't know who is making the complaints
> about your truck. If so, start by being *real* nice to the cop,
> apologize for them having to do this when they

[remainder of excellent, level-headed advice snipped].

Best post yet on this thread. This way, the neighbor won't get
even more unreasonable, Steve's parents won't be offended or
embarrassed, and the cops will realize that Steve doesn't
have a pile of junk in his driveway that he's 'going to fix
up someday'. Well said, Bryan.

Now, here is what I would LIKE to do. I'd like to call a real
estate agent in (Everyone is assuming Berkeley, but I'm not
sure). I'd find a nice, big, prominent agency that specializes
in million dollar + houses. Then I'll make an appointment to
spend the day, and look at a few of them. Say, in about a week.
Then, I'd drive my truck up to Jeff's in Sacramento, borrow his
kids playhouse, put it in the back of my truck and fill it up
with Jeff's favorite garden food, Turkey Manure. Then, I'll drive
home, and let it age for a week. Maybe put some grow lights on
it, been kind of cold around here, just to get it nice and warm,
and cooking. Then, on the big day, put a nice suit on (hmmm, I'd
have to rent that!), bring along some pre-qualification papers
from my bank, and go house hunting. Off, course, I'd have to leave
my truck in front of the agency, but they'll get over it :-)

Well, I can dream, can't I?
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Sebastopol, California: Near Petaluma, One-Time Chicken Manure Capital of CA.
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:06:22 -0600
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: FTE 61-79 - power steering pumps

Hello

Sent this the other day but no response. I have a 74 f350 with a bad power

steering pump. I ran accross a pump on a 76 car. Looks the same but different

pulley. I need to use the pulley from the pump on the truck. How do I get

it off and onto the other. Can't find a set screw on. If its pressed on,

how do you press it back on without damaging the pump and tank?

I'd be thankful for any idea's. Need to have it done by this weekend.


Larry



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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:34:16 -0600
From: "James Petty"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering pumps

There is a special tool for that....
If I'm not mistaken, and I don't think I am...
This tool has a two piece collar that fits around
the pulley's nipple
and a one piece collar fits around the two piece
collar that holes it all together. one side is
around the pulley and the other side has a screw..
like any other pulling device. To install the same
special pulley is used.... or I think my pump came
with a install kit.

The pulley puller that I bough was $35.00 and I got it
at a CarQuest parts house. Wish I knew the correct
name for it....

Sorry that I missed your first posting of this question.

James Petty


>>> Larry Schmiedekamp 01/13 2:06 PM
>>>
Hello

Sent this the other day but no response. I have a 74 f350 with a bad
power

steering pump. I ran accross a pump on a 76 car. Looks the same but
different

pulley. I need to use the pulley from the pump on the truck. How do I
get

it off and onto the other. Can't find a set screw on. If its pressed
on,

how do you press it back on without damaging the pump and tank?

I'd be thankful for any idea's. Need to have it done by this
weekend.


Larry



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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 12:49:13 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Heater hot water valve

On Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:48:25 -0700, "bertolin"
wrote:
> The owners manual for my 1965 refers to a "hot water intake valve under the
> hood" for adjusting the temperature of the hot water on the economy heater.
> I see no such valve associated with the 2 hoses going to and from the heater
> inside the cab and to/from the engine. It has the original 240 6 cyl.
> engine. The heater blows lukewarm air. Where would I find this valve for
> controlling the hot water? Thanks in advance, Roberta

My '66 has a 352 but that shouldn't make much difference. The hot water
valve is inside the passenger side fender in plain view under the hood.
It is in one of the hoses going to the heater core.

On mine it is now impossible to turn, so I just leave it on and shut the
air door, it doesn't let too much hot air by. I might consider
replacing it with a straight hose if it gave any trouble, and it would
help you isolate your problem.

Birken
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:12:07 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering pumps

>There is a special tool for that....
>If I'm not mistaken, and I don't think I am...
>This tool has a two piece collar that fits around
>the pulley's nipple
>and a one piece collar fits around the two piece
>collar that holes it all together. one side is
>around the pulley and the other side has a screw..
>like any other pulling device. To install the same
>special pulley is used.... or I think my pump came
>with a install kit.
>
>The pulley puller that I bough was $35.00 and I got it
>at a CarQuest parts house. Wish I knew the correct
>name for it....
>
>Sorry that I missed your first posting of this question.
>
>James Petty

I also used one of these on my P/S pump when I did my 460
conversion. MAC tools carries them also. How do I know? I
borrowed this tool from a friend and broke it while using it
and had to replace it.:-( Just ask them for the "power steering
pump pulley puller"; they'll know what you mean.:-)

Good luck,

Uncle Mike
Phoenix, AZ.



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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 14:48:42 -0800
From: "Stephen Lau Jr"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Party

Well, this coming weekend IS a three day weekend. ;-) Although I think
that if a bunch of trucks showed up at my parent's house and were
running around in the wee hours of the morning, my parents
would impound my truck themselves! :-)

Steve

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 16:05:52 -0700
From: "Andrew W. Ford - Speaking For Myself"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering pumps

James Petty wrote:

> There is a special tool for that....
> If I'm not mistaken, and I don't think I am...
> This tool has a two piece collar that fits around
> the pulley's nipple
> and a one piece collar fits around the two piece
> collar that holes it all together. one side is
> around the pulley and the other side has a screw..
> like any other pulling device. To install the same
> special pulley is used.... or I think my pump came
> with a install kit.
>

I believe it is called a pulley puller. I got one at Auto Zanie for about $25.

Replacing the pulley on my 78 required a bolt and large washer - the shaft
of the pump is threaded on the inside. There was enough friction between
the pulley and shaft that I could hold the pulley and turn the bolt without the
pump spinning.


Good Luck,
78 F150 Ranger 4x4 Supercab / 351M C6
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:09:16 PST
From: "WILLIAM WHITED"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - E-mail account

Ken, I know that you are extremely busy, but have you received my check
for my e-mail account? I mailed it off in late Nov and have heard
nothing about it from you. If so can you tell me my login, I forgot
what choices I made. Thank you very much for your time. William Whited

74 F100 RANGER SUPER CAB 390
77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302
79 F150 EXPLORER SUPER CAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK)
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 15:23:33 PST
From: "WILLIAM WHITED"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE 302 carb problems

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:07:30 -0500
From: "Timothy R. Anderson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE 302 carb problems
To: 61-79-list
Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com

William,
Regarding your F-100 and it's starting prolems,
I've had the same experience a few times over
the years and always found the culprit to be the
fuel pump. The check valves get worn or dirty
and allow the fuel from the carb, line, and filter
to drain back into the tank over time. They
then are not able to pump fuel back up to the
carb when cranking due to the low RPMs but
will work at higher revs. This is why it'll keep =

going onceyou get it started or after only being
shut off for a short time. A new pump always =

fixed it for me. Hope this helps.

Tim in Anchorage
67 F-100
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Tim, when I stomp on the gas it stutters and then almost stalls then I
hear a sucking sound and then if I ease off the gas she'll rev up then.
Does this sound like the fuel pump also? Also I'm assuming there is a
gasket on the fuel pump, can I swap out a pump from a 79 302 or am I
better off getting a new pump? Remember it is a huge pain for me to get
parts here and I have to wait awhile. Can I gerryrig or ducktape
something up? TIA

74 F100 RANGER SUPER CAB 390
77 F100 CUSTOM FLAIRSIDE 302
79 F150 EXPLORER SUPER CAB 302 (PARTS TRUCK)
"IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI"




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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 18:38:21 EST
From: Sldrfld aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering pumps

Take the pump (New/Old) to a meachine shop and they will get it of and they
will also press the pull back on. But only for a price....Good luck....
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:03:48 -0500
From: Daniel Maxwell
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Engines in U-Haul trucks

He doesn't work there anymore, was there when these trucks were new. He
does remember they were 354 CID, and the valve cover covered part of the
head and intake. When they needed parts, could only get from Ford or U-Haul.

>Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:40:01 -0500
>From: Tony Marino
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engines in Uhaul trucks
>
>Hmm! Ask your brother (or if anybody on the list has an answer to this) If
>the spark plug arrangement (ie- the angles in which they go in to the heads
>(two back, two foreward)) are the same on an FE as are on the fleet
>engines- That's what I looked at to determine they were FE's. (didn't want
>to crawl around a greasy engine compartment to see if there was a "352" on
>it!).
>
>I'm often wrong, one more time wouldn't damage my ego! 8-)
>
>Tony
>tony pscico.com
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony
>
>At 06:29 PM 1/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>My brother used to work for UHaul (maybe the same one, Waterloo Rd). He
>>said they had uncommon fleet only engines, 354 cid, so customers wouldnt
>>rent the truck and steal parts and engines, kind of hard to get parts for.
>>Don't know if they were FE, Dave doesn't think they were.
>>
>>Thats my 2 cenys
>


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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:51:31 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - trucktough.com

At 11:39 PM 1/12/99 -0800, you wrote:
>How are they going to give away $1000.00 dollars if they never ask who
>you are. Every link points to their questioner.
>It looks like a joke to pull cookies from your PC.
>Art
>AV ix.netcom.com
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What are you talking about? After selecting the three
drop downs on the main page, it brings you to a page
that has a set of links on the right hand side. Select
the one that says "Win 1000! Take the survey." You
fill in the form, including your email address (that's
how they notify you). Perhaps its a case of not following
or not looking for the directions? Takes only about 5
minutes to fill it in. Do you know what a cookie is?
A site must know a cookie id on your browser (ie, it must
set it or get it from a source that does). A site can't
just "pull cookies from your PC." And a cookie is a
numeric or text identifier, nothing more. We use them on
our web BBS to identify you so you don't have to
continuously enter in a password.






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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:55:38 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - T's

At 11:52 AM 1/13/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Ken,Need not post this but I just took alook at the T-shirt design.You and
>the artist get an Ata-Boy fror that one.Can't wait to get mine. Mike
>Elmer
>

When I first saw the artist's work I said "wow!" Then I
gave him an extra $25! We're really excited about this,
and about finally getting a Ford truck club going. Several
of us are hammering down the final details on a club
constitution. If all goes as planned, we should have a
club soon.

Ken

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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:31:49 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Header gaskets ; hard starting whi

I have the exact same problem. But I have a complete new starting system.
Dual 1000cca Batteries, new 2 guage wires, new selenoid, new starter, plus
a heat sheild on the starter that I ordered from Jegs. I was told that I
need to get a High-Temp starter thats used in racing. There pretty
exspensive.. I dunno what I should do..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 10:56 PM 1/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I had the same problem, time to get a new starter..
>
>Mike in Seattle
>
>sam weatherby wrote:
>
>> >The starter cranks slowly after engine has been run awhile almost like a
>> run
>> >down battery, but after it sits awhile cranks real well.
>> >I know this has been discussed in the past but I cannot rememberr the
>> >answers.
>>
>> Heat is the problem...
>> Exactly how depends. Verify battery is good.
>> Check all the cable connected to the battery, solenoid and starter.
>> If they are all fine your starter may be nearing the end of it's life.
>> -srw
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:31:55 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Impounding my F-100

I dont know how the engine is running in the truck, but if I was you, I
would kick up the idle in it just a little bit, for safty sake.. :)

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 11:12 PM 1/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I can't believe all the tests this vehicle has to go through !!!! Half of
>the vehicles in Berkeley couldn't pass that test.... some of those college
>students are lucky if they run at all....Of course the last time I was in
>Berkeley was 10 years ago.. about the same time as the Berkeley Barb
>disappeared...
>
>Mike in Seattle
>
>Stephen Lau Jr wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the replys! Still trying to sift through them all. ;-)
>>
>> Here's some more details about the impound process here. An officer
>> is going to come out to my parents house on the appointed day (Jan 20th)
>> and watch me drive it forward, backwards, a complete 360 degree turn
>> to the left and to the right, and watch it idle for 15 mins by itself
>> without stalling. It also has to be completely street legal. All the
>> lights in place, working door handles, horn, windows, exhaust, carb,
>> brakes, etc. If it fails any of these tests then it can and most likely
>> will be impounded.
>>
>> If I notify the police officer and tell them that the vehicle is
>> non-operable before they come out to inspect it, I will get a free tow
>> to the impound yard and the scrap metal heap. If it fails the test
>> without
>> telling them beforehand, then I will get charged something like $200.00
>> for the inspection fee and still get impounded. If it passes, then I
>> get to keep the truck, BUT it doesn't prevent the truck from being
>> tagged
>> AGAIN as a nuisance vehicle at any time. To be honest though, the
>> officer
>> I talked with said that if the same vehicle was re-tagged within a month
>> they would probably ignore it.
>>
>> I can't hide the vehicle in a shed or anything because they will flag
>> the vehicle as being in violation and I won't be able to register it
>> next year with the California DMV. Also, if anyone sees me driving it
>> around, they can immediately impound it on the spot.
>>
>> The city ordinance is built on California Vehicle Code 22660 which gives
>> the right for cities to remove any vehicles on public OR private
>> property
>> that are declared "nuisances".
>>
>> As for the truck's brakes...
>>
>> I have gotten a couple of leads for places around here that would be
>> willing
>> to fix the brakes for me. I have a new accelerator pedal on order that
>> hopefully
>> will arrive before Jan 20th. Since I'm a member of AAA, I'm going to
>> have a tow
>> truck come out and tow it to the repair shop and have them work on the
>> brakes
>> for me and make it street legal. It was suggested that I should do this
>> because
>> if the officer complains that the brakes aren't legal, I can show him
>> the
>> repair bill and claim "it wasn't my fault".
>>
>> It looks to me like there is a leak in the brake lines somewhere, but
>> I'm not
>> sure where. The front reservior for the brake fluid is running low even
>> after
>> I fill it back up and the rear brake lights won't work. The brake light
>> sensor is attached to the fluid lines that leads to the front reservoir.
>> I
>> had checked the electrical lines to the brake lights and those are fine,
>> so
>> it looks like a pressure problem. By poking around underneath the truck,
>> I
>> don't see where the fluid is leaking out.
>>
>> Hope this helps clarify some of the problems. Thanks a lot for
>> everyone's
>> help so far, I really appreciate it.
>>
>> Steve
>>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:37:44 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - power steering pumps

The simplest way to get it off is take it to a local repair shop and get
them to take it off for you, it takes a special tool. Or you could just
rent the tool. Putting it back on is easier than taking it off. If it is
just pressed on, and the resivor(cant spell) is made out of metal, then
just put in a vise, pulley shaft facing up, and tap it on with a mallet or
hammer, with a block of wood in-between. If its a plastic one, then just
remove it and do it the same way..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 03:21 PM 1/13/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Hello
>
>Sent this the other day but no response. I have a 74 f350 with a bad power
>
>steering pump. I ran accross a pump on a 76 car. Looks the same but different
>
>pulley. I need to use the pulley from the pump on the truck. How do I get
>
>it off and onto the other. Can't find a set screw on. If its pressed on,
>
>how do you press it back on without damaging the pump and tank?
>
>I'd be thankful for any idea's. Need to have it done by this weekend.
>
>
> Larry
>
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 21:45:19 EST
From: IRLobuck aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79 Which AOD?

Hey guys, I'm wanting to put an AOD in my F100 in place of the C4 and what I
>need to know is which AOD is the "GOOD" one. My carburatored / non computer
>driver only pulls an occasional trailer. I can handle the installation with
>no sweat, I just need some "insider" AOD info.
>Thanks,
> LOBUCK
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 19:26:55 -0800
From: "Sam Weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79 Which AOD?

>Hey guys, I'm wanting to put an AOD in my F100 in place of the C4 and what
I
>>need to know is which AOD is the "GOOD" one. My carburatored / non
computer
>>driver only pulls an occasional trailer. I can handle the installation
with
>>no sweat, I just need some "insider" AOD info.
>>Thanks,
>> LOBUCK

check out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.Baumannengineering.com
Lots of info about the various Ford trannies.
-srw

Sam Weatherby SWeatherby uswest.net
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'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
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Date: Wed, 13 Jan 1999 22:26:06 -0500
From: j arnold
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Truck Party

The song is "Fight for the Right to Party." Sorry about jumping in there,
you were kickin' to some tunes of my generation!

- --Bud (son of Stoney)
1979 F-250 429 Police Interceptor, T-18
1976 F-100 302, 3 speed (For Sale)....

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