61-79-list-digest Tuesday, January 5 1999 Volume 02 : Number 582



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Re:Cab/Bed Swap
RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 swap motor mounts
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: I'm baaaack!!!
FTE 61-79 - ebay auction
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Service Manuals
FTE 61-79 - 292 Intake Manifold Q's
FTE 61-79 - Calling any C6 experts or wannabes
FTE 61-79 - Need E-mail Address
FTE 61-79 - Frame Running Gear Swap?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Frame Running Gear Swap?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need E-mail Address
Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling any C6 experts or wannabes
FTE 61-79 - buying used 460
FTE 61-79 - : I'm baaaack!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Frame Running Gear Swap?
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: TruckTough.com
Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling any C6 experts or wannabes
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: 460 swap motor mounts
Re: FTE 61-79 - buying used 460
Re: FTE 61-79 - buying used 460
FTE 61-79 - Holes in the box?

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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 08:01:12 -0500
From: Steve Schaefer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Cab/Bed Swap






Yes you will use the 4WD column and all of the wiring harnesses (if
original from factory) will be compatible (given the two trucks have the same
engine and accessories) and povided both vehicles are same series (ie 67-72 or
73-79) Also you will find that your cab's rear mounts are outside the frame-
rail on the 4WD while they are between the frame rails on the 2WD.

Tracy,
Sorry it took so long to reply (off for the holidays) On my 2wd Supercab, the
body mounts were on the outside of the framerail. This may only apply for
Supercabs. I had to swap the 4wd steering coulmn into the 2wd cab. The wiring I
used was from the 2wd. The steering column pluged into the existing wiring.
If there is anything else I can help you with, please feel free to ask

77 F-250 supercab 4x4 Yellow/Purple "Barney"



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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 08:33:38 -0500
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 swap motor mounts

> ----------
> From: Boon40 aol.com[SMTP:Boon40 aol.com]
> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 1999 1:00 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 swap motor mounts
>
> Can anyone tell me where to find motor mounts for a 400 to 460 swap? I
> think
> there was a company called L and L , or something like that. Please let me
> know. Thanks , Boon
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I bought those mounts about 4k miles ago and haven't had any trouble with
them. I've heard some people have to change them every year or so. YMMV.

Be prepared to bend over as they cost ~$100/pr.

They also have headers, pulleys, power pump brackets etc. Just don't
forget to buy a winning lottery ticket before you order.

Tracy
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 08:42:45 -0500
From: "Humanhunter (Blake Barr)"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: I'm baaaack!!!

New England is much better.. I just moved from Oregon to New Hampshire. We
have 80 acres and we got a second truck to go along side our gutless Mazda
B2600i, a 1971 F-250 w/ a 360 :) good luck in maine


>Hi guys. Hope you had a joyful holiday season. We're just getting settled
>into our new digs here in Maine. Arrived in state Nov 13. Bought the
house
>Dec 21 and moved in on the 22nd. The house is great!! It has something for
>everyone. The wife gets a really nice living room and den. The kids each
>get their own room and a play room and the use of a basement. What does
dad
>(me) get? a 900 square foot heated garage with a 20 foot ceiling a
>comercial garage door 200 amp electrical service and a super industrial
>comercial size air compressor running on 220 VAC!! ARRR ARRR ARRR!!! I've
>been in the place a couple of weeks now and I've already changed the oil in
>all my cars, replaced the radiator in my truck, fixed several little things
>that were bugging me an now I'm going to start planning the restoration I
>want to do on my '76.
>
>I'm happier than a pig in..... er, well, just say I'm in hog heaven here.
>Everyone in CA thought I was nuts for coming out here but it seems I was
>right. I can buy a whole lot more house here and with the savings I can
buy
>all the heat I need.
>
>God bless and I'll let you know as things progress with the truck. I hope
>to have it ready for Pigeon Forge this year. BTW I drove through there on
>my way to Maine. Didn't see much of it I almost got rained off the road.
>
>Tom H.
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 06:48:40 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ebay auction

I apologize for posting out of the year range, but possibly one of you
knows someone who has a 1982. See

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=53284769 for a
couple of nice manuals.


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 06:50:37 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Service Manuals

Thanks for your message at 08:48 AM 1/2/99 -0600, Rick_Thompson dell.com.
Your message was:
>Anybody know where I can purchase factory service manuals for 1977 Ford
>trucks?

I am a couple days behind and someone may have already suggested this, but
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ebay.com is a good place to look.
Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 19:30:52 -0000
From: "Jeff Carver"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 292 Intake Manifold Q's

I'll finally get the time to check into the water leak
on my '64 F100 CrewCab with the new water pump,
but leaky intake manifold. 292 V8 stock. Newbie
at working on this truck Tuesday (digest mode).

I've been spraying the nuts/bolts with LW for the past
few weeks, and yesterday checked to see if they
would come loose.

On the studs on the inner pair of hold downs, the
ones with the little hold down clamp, a couple of
the nuts stayed in place while the stud is coming
out of the block, otherwise things seem loose.

Do these threaded holes go through into the case?
There's a bunch of crud on top of the engine, and
need to know if I need to clean the crud out before
I take the studs out.

Obviously I need to remove the carb, coil, and ???
so I can get the manifold loose. What else will have
to be removed?

What gaskets will I be needing to round up for the
installation, assuming it's the manifold gasket that
is the problem (hope, hope), not the manifold?

Jeff
Grass Valley, CA
'64 F100 CrewCab


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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:52:38 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Calling any C6 experts or wannabes

I am having a problem with the C6 transmission in my 1968 F100 (360 engine)
and I thought I would throw it out here to see if any of you have
suggestions I have not already tried.

Here's what it does - it works just fine except for one thing. It won't go
into 3rd gear unless you let off the gas. 1-2 shift is fine, at about
10mph under light throttle, and you can tell when it is "trying" to go to
3rd at about 20mph. I say "trying" because the engine tone changes a
little like it is starting to go but cannot complete the deal. At that
point, if I let off the gas all the way, then it will shift to 3rd and you
can proceed. But no matter how fast you go, it will not go all the way to
3rd unless you let off the gas. Reverse also works great, very strong so
that clutch pack is fine (same one as for 3rd, right?).

Here's what I have done so far - checked the governor, it's OK.
Disconnected the kickdown lever, same thing. Backed out the screw on the
modulator about 4 turns, didn't help so I pulled the modulator and cleaned
the valve, still no help. Replaced the valve body with a rebuilt one I
had. Nothing. What have I missed? I checked the vacuum at the modulator
and I have 16 inches at idle, not great but should be enough (this motor is
weak I guess - it is the original motor and has never been rebuilt).

Anybody had this happen before and/or have suggestions for what to try
next? Oh yeah, natch I have changed the fluid and filter and made sure it
is full and the modulator is a new one. Any help would be appreciated not
to mention helpful.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 14:52:23 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need E-mail Address

Since I only have access to E-mail and not the WWW, could one of you
gentlemen or ladies out there look up "Premier Performance - 1020s Melrose
St - Placentia, Ca. 92670" for me and furnish
their E-mail address to me??? - If they have one.!!!!....?

TIA

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 12:09:46 -0800
From: Jason Eaton
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Frame Running Gear Swap?

Since swapping questions have been coming up lately ...

If I want to convert a 65 F100 2WD to a 4WD truck, what are my
options as far as years of trucks to look as donors for the frame
and running gear?

Thanks.

- --
Jason Eaton CyberSource Corporation
Phone: (408)260-6044Senior Software Engineer
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 14:14:22 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Frame Running Gear Swap?

>If I want to convert a 65 F100 2WD to a 4WD truck, what are my
>Jason Eaton CyberSource Corporation
>Phone: (408)260-6044Senior Software Engineer


Isn't this a hardware problem ?

:)

Sorry, couldn't resist

Bill
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 13:33:49 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need E-mail Address

Azie:

I couldn't find their email address, but here's their landline:

Premier Performance
1020 S Melrose St
Placentia, CA 92870-7119
Phone: 714-630-3235

Hope this helps,

Tim


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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 16:07:22 -0600
From: sjacobi fd9ns01.okladot.state.ok.us
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling any C6 experts or wannabes

_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

wrote:

> Here's what it does - it works just fine except for one thing. It won't
go
> into 3rd gear unless you let off the gas. 1-2 shift is fine, at about
> 10mph under light throttle, and you can tell when it is "trying" to go to
> 3rd at about 20mph. I say "trying" because the engine tone changes a
> little like it is starting to go but cannot complete the deal. At that
> point, if I let off the gas all the way, then it will shift to 3rd and
you
> can proceed. But no matter how fast you go, it will not go all the way
to
> 3rd unless you let off the gas. Reverse also works great, very strong so
> that clutch pack is fine (same one as for 3rd, right?).


> Anybody had this happen before and/or have suggestions for what to try
> next? Oh yeah, natch I have changed the fluid and filter and made sure
it
> is full and the modulator is a new one. Any help would be appreciated
not
> to mention helpful.

I had the exact same thing happen on my C-6. I drove it for a year and a
half
before it started "slipping" in third gear. I finally bit the bullet and
had
it rebuilt about two months ago. The difference is breathtaking. My
tranny
man told me that the seals within get hard and useless after a while.
Also,
the "slipping" in third was preceeded by about a month by a condition that
the
transmission took about a minute to engage in drive after it sat overnight.
With
the rebuild I had a new torque converter installed as well as a
transmission
cooler. My transmission man said that the lack of a cooler probably
precipitated
or accelerated the demise of the C-6 in the first place. Hope this helps.

Steve

'67 Camper Special, 460, C-6



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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:34:34 EST
From: Boon40 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - buying used 460

Can anyone tell me what to look for when buying a used 460? I found one for
$500. Looks fresh, but who knows. I am putting it in a 78 f150 4x4. Will any
model 460 work? Thanks for any info. BOON
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 17:39:16 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - : I'm baaaack!!!

Hi Tom,
Welcome back! I'll try not to be too jealous of your new shop.
While you were out there were a few inquiries about ammeters and the subject
of an ammeter tech article came up and since you are the resident xspurt on
the subject.......

Are you going to buy another driver while you do your resto? Now that
you're in snow country you've gotta have a 4wd anyways.....right.
later,
dale c
'79 351M

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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 16:33:06 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Frame Running Gear Swap?

Jason Eaton wrote:

> Since swapping questions have been coming up lately ...
>
> If I want to convert a 65 F100 2WD to a 4WD truck, what are my
> options as far as years of trucks to look as donors for the frame
> and running gear?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Jason Eaton CyberSource Corporation

As far as the cab is concerned you can go all the way up to 79 but you will
have a problem with the bed between 73-79 as the frame width is wider in
the back. One project I was going to do was a 65 on a 77 F-150 frame and
running gear. That was before time and money ran out :(

Almost everything on the 65 will bolt right up to the newer stuff. The
only thing that will need modification will be the steering colunm. From
what I remember the brake booster and other wiring bolted or pluged right
in. Even the clutch rod was in the correct place. I just found a 75 F-250
4x frame and running gear in a local yard. Now if I can only find a clean
65-66 cab.....

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon
ICQ# 19575234

99 Contour SE Sport
63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: TruckTough.com

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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:14:59 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling any C6 experts or wannabes

In a message dated 1/4/99 11:56:43 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jstrauss inetport.com writes:


and I thought I would throw it out here to see if any of you have
suggestions I have not already tried. >>

I am not a C-6 expert or necessarily a wannabe. My experience comes from
being broke most of my life and having to fix my own vehicles. Rather than
pay someone to fix things for me I have invested a few dollars in books and a
lot of effort in trying to use them. As it turns out the C-6 has a "back out
2-3" shift valve. I will try to make a long story short, when you close the
throttle during a 2-3 upshift the back out valve will move and immediately
connect the reverse-high clutch apply circuit to the intermediate supply
circuit reducing apply pressure on the servo to the same value as in the
reverse-high clutch which is also connected to the release side of the
intermediate servo causing the pressure on both sides of the servo to be the
same and therefore no force exists to apply the intermediate servo, which
immediately releases the intermediate band, now letting the shift to high take
place. With this piece of information, it appears to me that the intermediate
servo is not releasing until you activate the back out valve. Normally the
back out valve is not used unless you back off the throttle. The question is
why is the intermediate servo not releasing??? It could be a number of things
sticky valve or valves, but my guess is a broken spring in the control valve
body. This is one of cheaper fixes if you take it to a shop (a good shop, not
AAA) around $150. If you have the patience remove the valve body disassemble
and inspect all of the springs replace as necessary, clean thoroughly and
reassemble.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:08:01 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: 460 swap motor mounts

i have a 429 police interceptor in mine with a four speed, i run mine hard,
and truck pull with it. i have never broke a motor mount, its been in there
for about 10 years.
before that i had a 429 scj in it with the same mounts. these are the
rectangular blocks with two bolt holes and a stud. they were easy to make and
cheap too, took them off an old 390 i had laying around.

jeff grant
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:18:20 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - buying used 460

sounds kind of steep to me, i don't know about everywhere else, but around
here you can buy beater ltd,s, torinos, station wagons etc, with running 460's
for anywhere from 250.00 to 500.00 for the complete car, when you're done with
the body sell it for scrap 75.00 or so for a car that large. look for a 69-71
car for the stronger engines. a buddy of mine just bought one for 400.00.

jeff grant
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Date: Mon, 4 Jan 1999 23:27:50 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - buying used 460

In a message dated 1/4/99 2:41:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, Boon40 aol.com
writes:


$500. Looks fresh, but who knows. I am putting it in a 78 f150 4x4. Will any
model 460 work? Thanks for any info. BOON >>

You will need the rear sump pan and pick up. Decide what you are going for.
Are you going to rebuild?? Or are you just looking a quick change. There are
a lot of things to look for if you want to do a build up and use more
potential. But, if that is not your plan, get something that is 1973 or newer
with as few miles as possible.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F250 4x4 460
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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 22:25:43 -0800
From: Jake and Dee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Holes in the box?

Happy new year all you Ford lovers! I have been off the list for quite
some while and have been reading some back mail.I see it is as
informative as always. There are a lot of new names so I thought I would....


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