61-79-list-digest Saturday, January 2 1999 Volume 02 : Number 579



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Headers for a 68 2WD
RE: FTE 61-79 - Heater Core Replacement on 77 F250 with A/C
FTE 61-79 - Stuck Lifter?
FTE 61-79 - Gasket Materials
FTE 61-79 - information
FTE 61-79 - 4x4 Problems/FE Heads
FTE 61-79 - oil pressure problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - information
FTE 61-79 - Supercab 1/2 or 3/4 ton 4x4??
Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 Problems/FE Heads
Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - Stuck Lifter?
Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure problem
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 Problems/FE Heads
FTE 61-79 - Re: headers for cj in truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure problem
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: headers for cj in truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 Problems/FE Heads
FTE 61-79 - 428CJ heads
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 09:04:33 -0500
From: "J. A. Knapper"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Headers for a 68 2WD

Thanks to everyone for responding to my question, the referance to
Stan's headers has given me lots of info. His headers are made up to fit
both head styles. The machine shop I deal with offered another solution;
drill and tap the required holes to use the non CJ style headers. I
think I'll same my money and get a set of Stan's ceramic headers whne I
can afford them. I wonder if he ships to Canada?
Happy New Year everyone.
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:46:35 -0700
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Heater Core Replacement on 77 F250 with A/C

I did it on my 1979 Bronco. It was a little cramped under the dash
sometimes (I am not a little guy), you might get a knuckle or two from the
two cores, but the heat is worth it. Here are some of the tips I have from
my own experience doing it.
1) Have a normal flashlight with good batteries for looking at stuff under
the dash.
2) When removing ducting under dash, remember which vacuum lines hook
where, mark if necessary.
3) You dont have to necessarily remove the big cover in the engine
compartment. Just remove the little cover around the "air" hoses so it can
move around a little more. Be careful of the fins and the sensor when
moving the "air" core around to slide the heater core out and the new in.
You can see what I mean by looking at it.
4) After you get the core out, you will notice the sponge around it. I
carefully removed it, put rubber cement on where it comes in contact with
the core, and put a few strong rubber bands around it over night for it to
set, and then installed it again the next day.
5) Its actually faster putting it back in because you know where everything
is and how it comes apart and goes together. The key is paying attention to
how you took it apart.

I know this all sounds vague, but these are tips, not instructions. Its not
hard to do. If somebody is doing heater core replacement on airconditioned
truck (73-79), get in touch with me by email at goldhunter h2net.net and
goldhunter juno.com. I would like to get several pictures, write some
instructions, and put it all on my web page, or , maybe the ford truck page
would want it on theirs. Then everybody would have something to look at
rather than "beyond the scope of the home mechanic".

Good luck!!! Colorado Rick


> Anyone changed a heater core on a 77 truck with air conditioning? My shop
> manual says its beyond the home mechanic.
>
> Rick
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 09:27:17 -0800 (PST)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stuck Lifter?

I managed to swap motors on the F-250 in one day like I planned.
One 18 hour day. I pulled my good motor and put the motor from
the F-100 in it. Swapped oil pans and stuff. The good news is
it definetely is a 390 like the PO said it was.

I drove it around the next day and it is running fine except for
a ticking sound from the left bank that wasn't there before.

I wanted to seal up the valve covers better so I put some good
gaskets on them. While I had the cover off I noticed a deposit
of what looked like something burnt next to one of the pushrod
holes in the intake. When I touched it to see what it felt like
some fell down, I assume on top of the lifter.

I have never looked at a hyd. lifter to see how it works but
I assume it gets oil that flows on top of it and uses it to pump
up until there is no valve lash? Is it possible some of this
charred material is plugging the lifter? Any idea what caused
this deposit to form? If this IS what happened, what should I
do? Is ther something I can pour down there to dissolve the
stuff?

I am going to sell the truck cheap and tell prospective buyers
that the condition of the motor is unknown, but it would be nice
if the ticking sound wasn't there.

Mark
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'74 F-100 4X4
'74 F-250 Supercab
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 10:28:47 -0800 (PST)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gasket Materials

As I said in the previous post I pulled my good 390 from the
F-250 Wednesday. There are a few things related to gasket
materials that some might find useful.

I need to qualify that I only had the motor in this truck a
little over a year and maybe put 5,000 miles on it.

Headers

The combination Dynomax headers and Fel-Pro #1442 (steel
core) gaskets sealed very well. No leaks at all. I did
tighten the header bolts once in a while. The gaskets are
listed for '61-'71 but they fit fine. Installed what looks
like upside-down the gasket matched the ports nicely. Each
gasket came off in one piece without coming apart.

I had used Permatex Anti-Sieze on the header bolts. It was
still on the lower bolts but apparently got burned off the
upper ones. They all came out easily using a 7/16"
combination wrench.

Other gasket stuff

I used Fel-Pro (FelCoPrene) rubber gaskets #VS-13049-R and
Red Permatex sealant on the seam between the head and intake
manifold. I also used a Fel-Pro Oil Pan gasket set
#OS-11701-D. It looks to be made of some kind of rubber with
something on the surface that seems kind of sticky.

In both cases I cleaned ALL the old gasket material and did
one last swipe with laquer thinner. I then put a very thin
layer (you almost couldn't see it) of Red Permatex on both
sides of the gasket. I tightened the bolts just to the
point that the rubber started to bulge and stopped there.
Next time I am going to leave off the thin layer of Permatex.

When I installed the Edelbrock intake I decided to take their
advice and leave out the front and rear gaskets. I used a
bead of Red Permatex instead and let it set up for several
days.

Looking at the motor now it has absolutely no oil leaks. In
fact, there are areas that I didn't paint like the bottom
of the block and the cover at the bottom of the C6
bellhousing that have surface rust on them.

I have never been able to get cork gaskets to seal without
using some kind of sealant that is extremely difficult to get
off later on. These work a lot better.

I guess I should mention that I have no affiliation with
Fel-Pro or Permatex. :)

Mark
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'74 F-100 4X4
'74 F-250 Supercab
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 11:10:40 -0800 (PST)
From: TheFORDMAN webtv.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - information

hey guys ,
happy new year to everyone !!
i have a few questions for some people
on my truck , i changed the oil and filter
the other day ,i noticed that put 5 quarts
of oil in but my dipstick said it was 2 qts
low is it possible that i have a seven qt
oil pan?i i have chk'd the part # on the dip stick and it states it is
correct for my engine. also does any body know what the toe in
adjustment is as far as measurements? there was a guy who did a shackle
flip on his bronco. i want to know how much it lifted the rear of the
vehicle? because i want to lift the front as
high as the back, so it sits level or almost
level. as far as my engine goes has any one heard of a 390 w/ a 501
casting #
below the drivers side head? maybe some one can give me some insite on
this
particular block ? is it possible that it is an industrial motor?????
any info would be greatly appreciated!!!!
thanks
Eric
75 F100 ranger 4x4
390/501 cast#

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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 11:42:27 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 Problems/FE Heads

"4X4 Questions -- He
said that the front drive would slip in and out if the truck was twisted
due to the 4X4 assembly moving to much?? Is this correct? Can anyone
see
any problems or anything with this truck, especially with the 4 wheel
drive? I've never had a 4X4, but this could be a good time to start."

Not sure what you mean by 4x4 assembly. My 76 had a similar problem
of popping out of 4 wheel drive.Tranfer case mounts were shot and
linkage needed adjustment.

On FE heads ,Are 428 CJ the only heads with both "north-south"and
"east-west"exhaust manifold bolt patterns?
Happy New Year to all
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:11:29 EST
From: Scootertot aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure problem

I recently bought a 79 f250 4x4. It has 400m. it had good oil pressure when i
was looking at it, even took for test drive and still was good. when driving
home oil pressure dropped to zero when idling. now has hardly any oil pressure
at all. I changed the sending unit and it didnt make difference. Some one told
me the oil screen could of clogged up. Is this where i should look? dont want
to pull pan in the snow and end up wasting my time. any ideas?

Harry
79 f-250 4x4 400m c-6
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:19:06 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - information

>the other day ,i noticed that put 5 quarts
>of oil in but my dipstick said it was 2 qts
>low is it possible that i have a seven qt
>oil pan?
Its possible, but my truck takes 6 quarts normally (360), I would be
surprised if yours didn't, especially since its a 4x4. Also be sure the
tube is seated well in the oil pan, sometimes, if you don't have the bolt
on the exhaust the tube will slowly work its way up and give you a low
reading. I've found a block of wood and a hammer work really well for
setting it, but it will work out again if you don't bolt it down.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:19:49 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Supercab 1/2 or 3/4 ton 4x4??

>The key word in your Spec list is "Supercab"
>
>The supercab was based on the 3/4ton frame. You have the same front springs as
>the LD 3/4 ton ( I'm not sure which one but I think there was two different
>weight ratings for the front end of 3/4 tons). You also have the 3/4 ton style
>steering box. When you talk to the lift manufactures make sure to tell them
>that you have a 1/2 supercab. Most mags don't have a supercab lift listed.
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This may explain why the 1/2 ton Supercab 4x4 F-150 (1978 model) I looked at
had leaf springs in the front *not* coils like other 1/2 tons........am I
close?????

Stu
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:19:56 EST
From: Teslaman1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure problem

harry,
try putting shop air hose in dipstick tube and blowing quickly to blow the
sediment off the pickup screen in the opposite direction. its much quicker
than pulling the pan in the snow. hope it helped ya some.
steve
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:20:50 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 Problems/FE Heads

> Not sure what you mean by 4x4 assembly. My 76 had a similar problem
>of popping out of 4 wheel drive.Tranfer case mounts were shot and
>linkage needed adjustment.
>
Anyway to check these mounts ? Did you have a divorced case, or attached
to the tranny ?
Mine keeps popping out, and its quite likely that this is the problem, also
how did you adjust the linkage ? Mine's really sloppy and I'd like some
bushings, anyone know of a kit for this ?

Thanks,
Bill
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:22:17 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure problem

At 02:11 PM 1/1/99 , you wrote:
>I recently bought a 79 f250 4x4. It has 400m. it had good oil pressure when i
>was looking at it, even took for test drive and still was good. when driving
>home oil pressure dropped to zero when idling. now has hardly any oil pressure
>at all. I changed the sending unit and it didnt make difference. Some one told
>me the oil screen could of clogged up. Is this where i should look? dont want

This is possible, but does the oil pressure come back up when you step on
the gas ? If so, its probably just worn bearings and as the engine warms
up the oil thins out and passes through the worn bearings easily keeping
pressure from building.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:23:47 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Stuck Lifter?

At 11:27 AM 1/1/99 , you wrote:
>I managed to swap motors on the F-250 in one day like I planned.
>One 18 hour day. I pulled my good motor and put the motor from
>the F-100 in it. Swapped oil pans and stuff. The good news is
>it definetely is a 390 like the PO said it was.

Congratulations :)

glad to hear you met the goal. Hope you can get the lifter to stop. You
might try some of that engine restore or something ? Never really tried
anything myself though.

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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:33:39 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure problem

At 02:19 PM 1/1/99 , you wrote:
>harry,
>try putting shop air hose in dipstick tube and blowing quickly to blow the
>sediment off the pickup screen in the opposite direction. its much quicker
>than pulling the pan in the snow. hope it helped ya some.

Wouldn't that just put bubbles in the oil? I mean the dipstick doesn't go
into the pickup does it ?

Bill
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:37:29 EST
From: Teslaman1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure problem

bill,
no, it goes into the transmission filter and then out through the pickup
sock. w/b
steve
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 14:45:40 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure problem

At 02:37 PM 1/1/99 , you wrote:
>bill,
> no, it goes into the transmission filter and then out through the pickup
>sock. w/b


????? Okay I'm confused ... aren't we talking about engine oil ? The
dipstick that goes down on the driver's side about half way back ? It goes
directly into the oil pan right ? and the dipstick sticks into the oil ?


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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 15:52:11 EST
From: Teslaman1 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure problem

yea, thats right but whatever you want to do. bye
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 16:23:58 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates

1. 47 new pictures added to pictorial. Two new pictorial sections created
(One for Rancheros and the other for 1999+ Superduty's). Over 325
trucks are now featured in our pictorials.

2. Several links added.

3. Classifieds reconfigured to make browsing easier.

Later,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 14:09:20 -0800 (PST)
From: TheFORDMAN webtv.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 Problems/FE Heads

bill
as far as your sloppy linkage i had that problem too. so i took off the
linkage assy
and tore it apart and noticed that the plastic bushing was wasted and
didnt have any idea what i was going to do then i got to thinking and i
came up with a fix as i got sick of hearing the damn thing rattling !!!
so i took a plastic lid off a planters peanut can , relatively thin
plastic cut it in a rectangular shape , placed it in the lever and cut
it down so both ends met , and bolted it back together and hasnt rattled
at all and feels tight almost a little too tight but using loosened it
up also used a little veggy oil to help because petroleum oil will make
the plastic melt and then your back to square one again
btw how did your ball joint replacement go ?????? i did one just awhile
back and the only problem i had was getting the new ball joints back in
so went and had it pressed in at napa. amazing what ford adjustment tool
can do !!!! (BFH)
oh well good luck
Eric in oregon
75 F100 Ranger 4x4

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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 17:27:32 EST
From: NUTCH11 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: headers for cj in truck

hi

regarding headers for a cj in a truck. if you look at the cj heads you will
notice that they have 16 exhaust bolt holes drilled in them . if you look at
your truck heads you'll notice 8 bolt holes, i'm pretty sure that the very top
and bottom holes in the cj head are the same as the 8 in the truck heads, (
they look that way in the books i'm looking at) one by steve christ/ the
other by pat ganahl.
if that's correct then just order headers for a 390 for truck.

john
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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 16:23:50 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure problem

I remember my first beer...

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From: Teslaman1 aol.com
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Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pressure problem


>yea, thats right but whatever you want to do. bye
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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 19:06:50 PST
From: "Andy D"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: headers for cj in truck

the very top
>and bottom holes in the cj head are the same as the 8 in the truck
heads,

They are (you are right)

Andy
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70 F-100,360 2v (soon to be 4v),C/6
56 F-600,272 2v (soon to be factory 4v),4speed
56 F-100 Bigwindow,223 1v,3speed


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Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 19:08:56 PST
From: "Andy D"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4x4 Problems/FE Heads

> On FE heads ,Are 428 CJ the only heads with both "north-south"and
>"east-west"exhaust manifold bolt patterns?

Yes as far as I know


Andy
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ICQ# 13179729
70 F-100,360 2v (soon to be 4v),C/6
56 F-600,272 2v (soon to be factory 4v),4speed
56 F-100 Bigwindow,223 1v,3speed


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Date: Fri, 1 Jan 1999 23:29:49 -0500
From: "Timothy R. Anderson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 428CJ heads

Hello & Happy New Year everyone!

For what it's worth regarding exhaust bolt patterns
on FEs, what I've seen over the years is that the =

heads for use in Mustangs and Cougars were
all equiped with four holes at each exh. port.
This is due to inteference between the upper
manifold bolts and the suspension tower. The
holes on either side of the ports must be used in
these applications. I found this out first hand =

while installing a 428PI in my 69 Cougar. These
heads, being off of a full-sized chassis, were =

only drilled above and below the ports. What
happened then you don't want to know. I've
seen a number of four-hole heads go into trucks
with no problem. Truck headers seemed to fit
fine in these applications.

Tim in Anchorage
67 F-100
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