61-79-list-digest Thursday, December 31 1998 Volume 02 : Number 577



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Thanks Again!
FTE 61-79 - lowering a 79 ford
FTE 61-79 - FE = Ford Edsel
FTE 61-79 - removing a king pin
Re: FTE 61-79 - removing a king pin
FTE 61-79 - Re: Cab/Bed Swap
RE: FTE 61-79 - removing a king pin
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Cab/Bed Swap
FTE 61-79 - Re: - FE's
FTE 61-79 - Re: Disc Brake conversion question??
Re: FTE 61-79 - removing a king pin
FTE 61-79 - Re: what does FE stand for anyway?
FTE 61-79 - "Dog Leggin"
FTE 61-79 - 1978 F150 OR F250?
FTE 61-79 - Hub Caps
FTE 61-79 - Headers for a 68 F100
RE: FTE 61-79 - 1978 F150 OR F250?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: - FE's
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 F150 OR F250?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Disc Brake conversion question??
FTE 61-79 - Power Steering conversion 75 F250 4x4 390
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 F150 OR F250?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering conversion 75 F250 4x4 390
RE: FTE 61-79 - 1978 F150 OR F250?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Disc Brake conversion question??
Re: FTE 61-79 - removing a king pin
FTE 61-79 - 429/460 Head Compatibility
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 F150 OR F250?
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List policy
FTE 61-79 - carb adapter
FTE 61-79 - Factory lift
Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers for a 68 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Thanks Again!
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Thanks Again!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Disc Brake conversion question??
Re: FTE 61-79 - "Dog Leggin"
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: - FE's
FTE 61-79 - Ball Joints
FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoder
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ball Joints
Re: FTE 61-79 - 429/460 Head Compatibility
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 F150 OR F250?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 429/460 Head Compatibility

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 04:48:42 -0600
From: "myshop"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Thanks Again!

>Ken. How do i post a parts wanted ad on this site? I forgot how to do it.
>While I have your attention. I need a cab, bed and radiator core support
>for a 65 F100. I'm not some kid fooling around here. I've had this truck
>for 16 years and want to redo it to pull my boat but the body cancer is
>bad. I'm willing to pay top dollar for very good used parts.
>
>Thanks John

John,

I have a 65 F100 cab, bed, and I think the radiator core support. I'm over
here in Springtown, Texas just 20 minutes NW of Fort Worth. I'm not sure
where your located but I just thought that I would let you know. I would
sell this stuff if I can get top dollar. Oh ya, I'm think that the truck
also has a 4.11 rear end.

Let me know if you or any one else is interested...

+
+AL+ (2-65 F100's and a 66 F100:351C,302,360)
myshop ix.netcom.com (my email)
www.f1mrm.com (my software)


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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:01:44 -0600
From: "don"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - lowering a 79 ford

i have a 79 ford f-150 that I am fixing up. I want to lower the front and
rear.
As far as I can see the only way to do this right is to get Ibeams made for
this ?
any ideas to a complete novice on lowering this would be appreciated.

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:02:53 -0600
From: "myshop"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE = Ford Edsel

>They said the FE stood for Ford Edsel. I looked it up and it is true. In
>fact earlier tonight I read a posting here that talked about the MEL series
>of engines. MEL stands for Mercury Edsel Lincoln. And they are the >same
blocks as the FEs, just a different series of cars they were used >in.
>Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460


Thank you Burt,

Now I can tell the man who is rebuilding my 351C. He has been building
engines for 25+ years and is well known in the area for doing such good jobs
BUT he thought that FE was Ford Engineering...oh well, no biggie.

+
+AL+ (2-65 F100's and 1-66 F100:351C,302,360)

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:08:48 -0600
From: "don"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - removing a king pin

I want to take off the front spindle on my 79 ford truck. I removed coil,
tie rod end etc etc, just the spindle left. I removed the bolt going thru
pin to lock it in place. I put a deepwell socket against pin and beat it
senseless....pin did not budge. I used a longer attachement so I could get
more force...beat it senseless...pin did not budge.....I wd40'd the heck out
of it for a few days....the pin will still not budge.......
how do I beat it out ?

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:22:02 -0500
From: David Wadson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - removing a king pin

>I want to take off the front spindle on my 79 ford truck. I removed coil,
>tie rod end etc etc, just the spindle left. I removed the bolt going thru
>pin to lock it in place. I put a deepwell socket against pin and beat it
>senseless....pin did not budge. I used a longer attachement so I could get
>more force...beat it senseless...pin did not budge.....I wd40'd the heck out
>of it for a few days....the pin will still not budge.......
>how do I beat it out ?

:-)

I hold by my statement that king pins have got to be the most frustrating
and difficult part to remove from a Ford truck! I had taken the entire
front end of the truck off but even with no fenders in the way I still
couldn't get enough force down onto it. Heating it with a propane torch
isn't enough - those that have succeeded tell me the only way is with an
acetylene torch. Even then it takes a lot of pounding to get it out. I gave
up on mine and just yanked out the ibeam, coil, radius arm and spindle as
one unit and replaced them. I do hope you weren't doing this for the heck
of it...kind of a kick in the privates if you were changing your king pin
for the sake of changing it. :-)

Incidently, a friend came up with a neat technique for removing the big nut
on the end of the radius arm. With only hand tools and a very seized nut,
he put a socket onto it, put his floor jack under the end of the ratchet
and used the weight of the truck to break the nut loose. He tried the
technique on a Dodge Shadow while trying to remove the front caliper or
something. Broke two ratchets, a socket and an extension, then realized he
was trying to remove the wrong bolt...


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS2" - 78 F100/302/C4


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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:28:48 -0500
From: Steve Schaefer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Cab/Bed Swap

Yes the 2wd will swap onto the 4wd frame. A modification will have to be made to the floor to
allow for the 4wd shifter if both cabs are automatic (Ford was nice enough to stamp the cut
lines in the cab floor though.) I did this about 4 years ago. I swapped a 77 F-150 2wd super
cab body onto a 78 F-250 super cab camper special 4x4 frame. The steering column will also
have to be swapped. The 4wd column is different from the 2wd.

Steve
77 F-250 supercab 4x4 Yellow/Purple "Barney"


> From: TracyJones cinergy.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cab/Bed Swap
>
> Howdy Folks,
>
> Will the cab and bed from a '77 F150 2wd bolt onto my '79 F250 4wd ?? In
> other words, are 73-79 F150,250 cabs and beds interchangeable?
>
> TIA
> Tracy
> 79 F250 4x4, 69-429, 4.10 L/S
> 4" Superlift, Warn 8200.....

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:47:32 -0500
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - removing a king pin

> ----------
> From: don[SMTP:donb ficom.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 6:08 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - removing a king pin
>
> I want to take off the front spindle on my 79 ford truck. I removed coil,
> tie rod end etc etc, just the spindle left. I removed the bolt going thru
> pin to lock it in place. I put a deepwell socket against pin and beat it
> senseless....pin did not budge. I used a longer attachement so I could get
> more force...beat it senseless...pin did not budge.....I wd40'd the heck
> out
> of it for a few days....the pin will still not budge.......
> how do I beat it out ?
>
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You'll likely beat yourself senseless before those pins move. Remove both
beams and find someone with a press. A shop in my area charges $10 per
push.

Tracy
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:59:00 -0500
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Cab/Bed Swap

> ----------
> From: Steve Schaefer[SMTP:schaefer plastekgroup.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 7:28 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Cab/Bed Swap
>
> Yes the 2wd will swap onto the 4wd frame. A modification will have to be
> made to the floor to
> allow for the 4wd shifter if both cabs are automatic (Ford was nice enough
> to stamp the cut
> lines in the cab floor though.) I did this about 4 years ago. I swapped
> a 77 F-150 2wd super
> cab body onto a 78 F-250 super cab camper special 4x4 frame. The steering
> column will also
> have to be swapped. The 4wd column is different from the 2wd.
>
> Steve
> 77 F-250 supercab 4x4 Yellow/Purple "Barney"
>
>
Steve,
Your saying I'll have to use my existing steering column, right ??


How about the wiring harness and connectors? Will everything plug
together?

Thanks
Tracy
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:17:50 -0600
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: - FE's

Darrell Duggan wrote:
Actually no, the MEL had the combustion chamber in the block, not in the
head
like the FE. Thanks to all you other FTE guys, I learned this from you.

Okay, I don't remember this discussion, so enlighten me. Does this mean they
left extra room in the cylinfder at the top of stroke, and the head deck was
dead flat? Curious because when the brain connects the statements of "same
block as the FE's" "462 c.i." it can't help but think "oh,
reeeeeeaaaaalllllly. hmmmmmm". chuckle.

Jim E.





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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 07:33:53 -0600
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Disc Brake conversion question??

Note replies to this post of:
"I learned the hard way by not readin carefully... We put '74 (or was that
'75..) dics on a '65. We needed to use the kingpins designed for whatever
vehicle the I-beams are from."
and
"You should get the kingpin set that fit the I-Beam, the spindle end is
reamed out to fit the kingpin it self."

I find this curious because the difference questioned was:

"The '78 had dimensions of .859" x 6.48", whereas the dimensions for the '70
were .859" x 6.34". What I want to know is if the .14" difference is
significant, or should I be purchasing the KP for the '78?"

I have done the disc brake conversion (75 onto a '69) but I swapped in the
75 I-beams and spindles as a unit without replacing kingpins. I am curious
tho. The 'reamed i.d.' of either the spindle or kingpin should not be an
issues as the diameter spec is the same. The question is the .14-in. in
LENGTH of the pin. Is spindle end of the I-beam any different? I did not
measure this, but I tend to doubt it as the spindles will swap, so I would
not expect a diff. of .14 in play between the inside of the spindle mounts
and the outside of the I-beam end. So, where does the .14 come from and does
it mean anything? My first thoughts were:

1. There was a distinct difference in the grease caps on the two years, and
I used the '69 caps on the '75 because they were much heavier construction,
they were a milled part as opposed to a stamped part. I did not measure
them, but could the stamped part threads be deeper because of weaker
construction?

2. Could the diff. be that one kit used the nylon bushings instead of
bronze?

3. Could it be just the vagaries of mephistophelan humour of a particular
engineer writing specs along the way, for either Ford or TRW and not mean a
hill of beans?

I do not have the answers, but inquiring minds want to know!

Jim E.



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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:30:56 -0800
From: John Lord
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - removing a king pin

I have a full shop at my personal disposal and from experience i found
that nothing but a press works properly, so remove the i beams, and
besides if your going to replace the pins properly the king pin bushings
have to be replaced with the kingpins and they need to be taken to a
shop pressed in and then aligned honed for a proper fit with the new
pin.
By the way, their is a thrust bearing (washer) in the assembly, and if
it is missing or worn away some shops will thell you they cant do a
proper wheel alignment because the wheel moves up and down.

don wrote:
>
> I want to take off the front spindle on my 79 ford truck. I removed coil,
> tie rod end etc etc, just the spindle left. I removed the bolt going thru
> pin to lock it in place. I put a deepwell socket against pin and beat it
> senseless....pin did not budge. I used a longer attachement so I could get
> more force...beat it senseless...pin did not budge.....I wd40'd the heck out
> of it for a few days....the pin will still not budge.......
> how do I beat it out ?
>
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:00:40 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: what does FE stand for anyway?

Original Post:

Engineering? >>

Bill Wrote:

1967 F-250 4WD 390
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:40:30 -0500
From: pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - "Dog Leggin"

>>>>Doors open wide with no knee-knocking "dogleg" to get in your
way, and a.....

Different kind of dog leg. The "dog leg" the add refers to is where the
front windshield wraps around for better visibility. The front doors were
notched to accommodate the lower corner of the windshield. This made for
a protrusion in the door opening that was kind of in the way as
referenced by the "knee-knocking" comment. Ford stopped using that dog
leg for trucks in the fiftys. Not sure about cars but grandpa's 59 Galaxy
has it.


Jon E. Purut
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.xoom.com/Chelley
one 64 F500, one 77 F150 and a pair of 65 F100's

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:49:36 EST
From: DR11AGON aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1978 F150 OR F250?

I have a 1978 "f150". It was badged a f150 xlt ranger. I have been looking
around at lift kits for this truck, and it seems like all the lift kits
include front coil springs. My truck has front leaf springs, not coil
springs. Is this a f150 or f250? Is it just an f150 with a heavy duty
suspension package? I want to get a 6" suspension lift for it, and i just
wanna make sure i know what to order. It looks to have 3 inch lift blocks on
the back axles, and it already fits 35 inch tires without fender rub.

Specifications:
- -9 inch rear
- -Dana 44 front
- -4 wheel drive
- -C-6 automatic
- -351M
- -Supercab
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:53:43 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hub Caps

>>Anyone know which small hub caps were stock on 1965 F-100. I have >seen
>the painted and chrome ones with both block and script >"FORD".
>>
>>Thanks in advance,
>>
>>Floyd Terrell
>
>
>I'm trying to get all four original rims and hub caps for my 65 and 66 F100.
>I have one hubcap and rim so far and the guy is supposed to have the other 3
>now. He took them off his 66 F100 and I'm putting them on my 65. I hope
>there isn't a difference in those two years.
>
I hate to tell you this but I think they are different. I will need to
check some of my literature at home to verify, if I can, but just going by
memory I think the 1966 had a unique hubcap only used that year. The 1965
used the same hubcap as the 61-64, but it was painted Wimbledon White with
red letters, whereas the 61-64 is dull silver, which Ford calls "Argent",
and the letters are the same (i.e. not painted a contrasting color as in
1965). This hubcap is flat and has a gear pattern around the outer
circumference. These hubcaps need special rims which have little bumps
facing inward towards the lugnuts and the hubcap fits inside this area.
All later hubcaps fit on an bumps facing outwards (it occurs to me to
mention we are talking only about the "little" hubcaps, ones that do not
cover the entire rim) which they go over. The 1966 hubcap is convex shaped
with a kind of "arrow" (not really an arrow but it is hard to describe)
raised portion that runs across the radius and is raised. The letters
"FORD" are on the outer circumference twice, one on each side of the
"arrow". Red is applied around the letters and the letters are white, as
is the remainder of the cap (Wimbledon White, as in 1965). Anybody else
remember those?

>The rims have 4 tabs facing the id (inside diameter) so that those small
>hubcaps can snap in. The newer rims have the tabs facing the od (outside
>diameter).
>
This is the 61-65 style I described above.

>The hub cap is a dull chrome (from age I guess) with 1.5 inch high by 3/4
>inch wide indented block letters about .050 of an inch deep.
>
Sounds like either this hubcap has been repainted or it is actually a
61-64, which were painted "argent".

>I was also wondering what color I should paint my 65 and 66 rims. The rim
>that I have was originally black. I collect original ads from old Field and
>Stream magazines and I see that the rims were either black or some kind of
>grayish color. I have an ad for a 63 that shows the rim colors to be a light
>grayish.
>
The ones I have seen are usually Wimbledon White or Argent. Usually white.

>Is there some kind of website or other resource that shows this kind of
>information? What our ford-trucks site needs is photos of original years
>with original paint schemes, rims, grills, hubs, bumpers, etc. I know the
>site has some awesome photos but wouldn't it be nice if there was a page of
>original photos?
>
The best source I have found is a book called "Ford Trucks Since 1905". It
has tons of original pictures, most of which were used in dealer literature
of the time.

>I appreciate ford-trucks!
>
Me too. Lots.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:07:41 -0500
From: "J. A. Knapper"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Headers for a 68 F100

Hi, guys. I'm building a 390 for my 68 F100 2WD. I plan on using 428 CJ
heads on the engine, but just about every header I've seen listed says
they won't fit on these heads in a pickup. Has anyone had the same
problem and found an economical fix?
Thanks.
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:28:02 -0500
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 1978 F150 OR F250?

> ----------
> From: DR11AGON aol.com[SMTP:DR11AGON aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 9:49 AM
> To: 61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1978 F150 OR F250?
>
> I have a 1978 "f150". It was badged a f150 xlt ranger. I have been
> looking
> around at lift kits for this truck, and it seems like all the lift kits
> include front coil springs. My truck has front leaf springs, not coil
> springs. Is this a f150 or f250? Is it just an f150 with a heavy duty
> suspension package? I want to get a 6" suspension lift for it, and i just
> wanna make sure i know what to order. It looks to have 3 inch lift blocks
> on
> the back axles, and it already fits 35 inch tires without fender rub.
>
> Specifications:
> -9 inch rear
> -Dana 44 front
> -4 wheel drive
> -C-6 automatic
> -351M
> -Supercab
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'78 F150 4x4 Supercabs have leaf spring front suspenders. I'd call
Trailmaster in Coldwater Mi. to see what's available for your truck. A
_single_ 3" block over the rear axle would be factory, but more than one
block stacked is not.

Tracy

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:42:12 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: - FE's

In a message dated 12/30/98 6:17:40 AM MST, inkdezjim email.msn.com writes:


left extra room in the cylinfder at the top of stroke, and the head deck was
dead flat? >>

Yeah, you got it. I've never seen one myself, but my buddy rebuilt one, said
he was kinda tossed for a loop the first time too.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:44:59 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 F150 OR F250?

TracyJones cinergy.com wrote:
>
> > ----------
> > From: DR11AGON aol.com[SMTP:DR11AGON aol.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 9:49 AM
> > To: 61-79-list-digest ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1978 F150 OR F250?
> >
> > I have a 1978 "f150". It was badged a f150 xlt ranger. I have been
> > looking
> > around at lift kits for this truck, and it seems like all the lift kits
> > include front coil springs. My truck has front leaf springs, not coil
> > springs. Is this a f150 or f250? Is it just an f150 with a heavy duty
> > suspension package? I want to get a 6" suspension lift for it, and i just
> > wanna make sure i know what to order. It looks to have 3 inch lift blocks
> > on
> > the back axles, and it already fits 35 inch tires without fender rub.
> >
> > Specifications:
> > -9 inch rear
> > -Dana 44 front
> > -4 wheel drive
> > -C-6 automatic
> > -351M
> > -Supercab
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> '78 F150 4x4 Supercabs have leaf spring front suspenders. I'd call
> Trailmaster in Coldwater Mi. to see what's available for your truck. A
> _single_ 3" block over the rear axle would be factory, but more than one
> block stacked is not.
>

Really??. Did they have 15 or 16.5 wheels? What front brakes did they
have?

OX
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:56:03 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Disc Brake conversion question??

At 07:33 AM 12/30/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Note replies to this post of:
>"I learned the hard way by not readin carefully... We put '74 (or was that
>'75..) dics on a '65. We needed to use the kingpins designed for whatever
>vehicle the I-beams are from."
>and
>"You should get the kingpin set that fit the I-Beam, the spindle end is
>reamed out to fit the kingpin it self."
>

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>1. There was a distinct difference in the grease caps on the two years, and
>I used the '69 caps on the '75 because they were much heavier construction,
>they were a milled part as opposed to a stamped part. I did not measure
>them, but could the stamped part threads be deeper because of weaker
>construction?
>
>2. Could the diff. be that one kit used the nylon bushings instead of
>bronze?
>

- -snip-

Jim,

Concerning the above, I've done two disc brake conversions, one on a
68 and one on my 67. I used king pins for a 67. As far as I know,
you are correct in stating that the difference is whether you have
nylon or bronze bushings. I never had a problem with the length.

Ken

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:03:12 PST
From: "Dick Ruggles"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering conversion 75 F250 4x4 390

Thanks "Uncle Mike" - could you elaborate on something for me? -

1. What thickness should the mounting plate be?
2. And how much do I shorten the steering rod that goes from the steering
column to the steering box.

I appreciate your help.

Dick
75 F250 4x4 390
90 TBird
94 Explorer Sport 4x4




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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 08:26:07 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 F150 OR F250?

DR11AGON aol.com wrote:

> I have a 1978 "f150". It was badged a f150 xlt ranger. I have been looking
> around at lift kits for this truck, and it seems like all the lift kits
> include front coil springs. My truck has front leaf springs, not coil
> springs. Is this a f150 or f250? Is it just an f150 with a heavy duty
> suspension package? I want to get a 6" suspension lift for it, and i just
> wanna make sure i know what to order. It looks to have 3 inch lift blocks on
> the back axles, and it already fits 35 inch tires without fender rub.
>
> Specifications:
> -9 inch rear
> -Dana 44 front
> -4 wheel drive
> -C-6 automatic
> -351M
> -Supercab

The key word in your Spec list is "Supercab"

The supercab was based on the 3/4ton frame. You have the same front springs as
the LD 3/4 ton ( I'm not sure which one but I think there was two different
weight ratings for the front end of 3/4 tons). You also have the 3/4 ton style
steering box. When you talk to the lift manufactures make sure to tell them
that you have a 1/2 supercab. Most mags don't have a supercab lift listed.

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:12:39 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Power Steering conversion 75 F250 4x4 390

Hi Dick,



>Thanks "Uncle Mike" - could you elaborate on something for me? -
>
>1. What thickness should the mounting plate be?

Seems like I used 1/4' plate for the mounting plate with some pieces of
pipe
the thickness of the frame behind the holes. I ran bolts from the outside of
the frame rail to the inside.


>2. And how much do I shorten the steering rod that goes from the steering
>column to the steering box.

Don't remember exactly, it will probably depend on the final mounting point
of
your box. I made the cut and then slid a piece of pipe over the 2 sections
and
welded it up. Its been 2 years now since my conversion with no problems.

Hope this helps, and good luck- let us know how it turns out.


Uncle Mike
Phoenix, AZ.


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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:27:36 -0500
From: TracyJones cinergy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 1978 F150 OR F250?

> > '78 F150 4x4 Supercabs have leaf spring front suspenders. I'd call
> > Trailmaster in Coldwater Mi. to see what's available for your truck. A
> > _single_ 3" block over the rear axle would be factory, but more than one
> > block stacked is not.
> >
>
> Really??. Did they have 15 or 16.5 wheels? What front brakes did they
> have?
>
Good questions that I can't answer.

I've seen 6 or 8 of these trucks in the last few years but have
never owned one, so I can't get technical. It is an eye catcher to see
leaf springs with F150 badges tho.

Tracy
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:18:21 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Disc Brake conversion question??

- -----Original Message-----
From: J Elliott
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 5:32 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Disc Brake conversion question??


>Note replies to this post of:
>"I learned the hard way by not readin carefully... We put '74 (or was that
>'75..) dics on a '65. We needed to use the kingpins designed for whatever
>vehicle the I-beams are from."
>and
>"You should get the kingpin set that fit the I-Beam, the spindle end is
>reamed out to fit the kingpin it self."
>
>I find this curious because the difference questioned was:
>
>"The '78 had dimensions of .859" x 6.48", whereas the dimensions for the
'70
>were .859" x 6.34". What I want to know is if the .14" difference is
>significant, or should I be purchasing the KP for the '78?"


The problem is the notch for the key that secures the king pin.
It is not in the same place on the different king pins.
-srw

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:20:16 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - removing a king pin

>>
>You'll likely beat yourself senseless before those pins move. Remove both
>beams and find someone with a press. A shop in my area charges $10 per
>push.
>
>Tracy


A press didn't work for us.
We ended up use a accetylene torch and an air hammer.
The air hammer came into the picture half way through the first pin. Made a
big difference.
-srw

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:22:20 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 429/460 Head Compatibility

First of all, I wanted to thank those of you who gave me information on my
mismatched heads on my 429/460-

I did some calling around to local junkyards, and ONLY ONE out of about 15
junkyards had ANY heads, and the one who does has a SINGLE D2VE-AA head for
$50 bucks.

Is this compatible with my DOVE-C head? Are the rocker setup the same?
Would they look identical, have the same size valves, and CC chambers?

Thanks again!

Tony
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:01:32 -0700
From: "Andrew W. Ford - Speaking For Myself"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1978 F150 OR F250?

TracyJones cinergy.com wrote:

> > > '78 F150 4x4 Supercabs have leaf spring front suspenders. I'd call
> > > Trailmaster in Coldwater Mi. to see what's available for your truck. A
> > > _single_ 3" block over the rear axle would be factory, but more than one
> > > block stacked is not.

Hmmm, I guess I'll have to get a tape measure and see. I was told that I my 78

F150 Ranger 4x4 Supercab was a HiBoy with 4" factory lift. I've since learned
that Ford didn't make the HiBoy in 78. The lift does look factory and when I
had
to replace my front brake hose, the part number from it was a discontinued Ford
part for a 78 Supercab.


> > Really??. Did they have 15 or 16.5 wheels? What front brakes did they
> > have?

Mine has 15 inch wheels - I would guess that's stock.

> I've seen 6 or 8 of these trucks in the last few years but have
> never owned one, so I can't get technical. It is an eye catcher to see
> leaf springs with F150 badges tho.

I've always thought the supercabs were eye catchers - especially

4x4's - that's why I got one! 8^)

Regards,

78 F150 Ranger 4x4 Supercab / 351M C6

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:35:12 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List policy

Several things need to be addressed:

1. Lately there have been many posts in which people
have taken it upon themselves to be list vigilantes.
Complaints and comments about the posting practices
of others should be sent to the list admin
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all others). Let the admins handle the policing of
policy, especially if you aren't sure what our
policy is. Such complaints cause just as much list
noise (if not more) than the issue being complained
about.

2. Read the FAQ before posting for the first time.
The subscription introduction email asks that new
members read the FAQ and gives the web address for
the FAQ. One of the issues addressed is off-topic
posts.

3. For the record: we don't require you to remove
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:53:04 PST
From: "MARTY COLMAN"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - carb adapter

I have a 73 F100 that I want to change to a 4v carb. I happen to have a
very nice Holley 4011 series 650 with vacuum secondaries and electric
choke, just what I want. But it is a spreadbore and my manifold is a
squarebore. I have seen adapters for this, but are they a good idea?
Or am I better off just getting a squarebore carb?


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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:41:33 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Factory lift

This is my second try at commenting about the Factory lift. The first one sounded
a little irate.

As far as I know there was no such thing as a Factory lift. No check box on the
order sheet. No comment on the dealer sticker window. The 4x4 models were just
built to stand higher.

Sorry I'm fresh out of matches.

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ICQ# 19575234

99 Contour SE Sport
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 18:48:52 -0500
From: "The Freeman Family"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Headers for a 68 F100

Try Stan Headers. He can take a pair of regular truck headers and put
different flanges on. My next set for mine will be a set of Stan's. The
web address is http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.stans-headers.com I think a few people on the
list has some and I've heard nothing bad about them. They are a little
pricey, but I think they are worth the extra.

- -Ted

>Hi, guys. I'm building a 390 for my 68 F100 2WD. I plan on using 428 CJ
>heads on the engine, but just about every header I've seen listed says
>they won't fit on these heads in a pickup. Has anyone had the same
>problem and found an economical fix?
>Thanks.




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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:15:45 EST
From: LouviersFr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Thanks Again!

Thanks for the classified ad info. Have a very Happy New Year. John
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:21:24 EST
From: LouviersFr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Thanks Again!

Thanks for the reply I live just across the street in Maryland. My sister-
in-law lives in Plano, just out side of the big D. What condition are these
parts in. Do you have a price and photos. If I come down there I want to
know exactly what I'm buying because this one long drive. Happy New Year
John.
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:30:44 EST
From: LouviersFr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Disc Brake conversion question??

Dear Jim
I was reading your Email regarding disc brake swaps a project which I'm
contemplating. I noticed you have done this on a 65. I have a 65 which Ive
owned for about 16 years and want to do the disc swap as part of a frame off
rebuild. Just what is involved in this? Also I need 3 items, cab, bed
8foot and radiator core support. If you can help me not spend $25000 for a new
truck I would be most thankful. Have a Happy New Year. John
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:34:50 EST
From: LouviersFr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - "Dog Leggin"

Jon. I see you have a couple of 65's. I have one that I have had for 16
years and just dont want to part company with due to the fact the suspension
and drive line are in excellent condition. I'm looking for a cab. 8 foot bed
and radiator core support. I'm very serious about this and willing to travel
to buy the rust free parts. I live in Maryland. Can you help? Happy New
Year John

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:46:46 -0500
From: Lord_Xaenon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: - FE's

J Elliott wrote:

> Okay, I don't remember this discussion, so enlighten me. Does this mean they
> left extra room in the cylinfder at the top of stroke, and the head deck was
> dead flat? Curious because when the brain connects the statements of "same

Yes, exactly, but with a twist. The cylinder deck wasn't milled at
ninety degrees
to the bore centerline, like you'd find in a conventional engine. It
actually was
milled at an odd angle so that the combustion chamber (in the block)
would be wedge-
shaped.

Lincoln was really an odd duck; I also seem to recall a power-steering
pump that was
driven directly off the crank (no belt!), and the power-steering also
ran the (get
this) hydraulic windshield wipers. The MEL block has TWO, count 'em,
TWO thermostats,
and once upon a time there was actually a 3x2 intake available for these
monsters,
from back in the late fifties when Ford stuck a 430 in a T-bird and went
racing with
it (didn't have a lot of luck, but what a show it must have been!). I'd
love to find
one of those old intakes, just 'cause! Sure, it ain't no 'Cammer part,
but it'd be
just about as rare.

Yes, I have an impressive command of thoroughly useless information.

Mark.

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Date: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 14:57:24 +0000
From: mdennis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ball Joints

I've been lurking for several weeks on this list and have been amazed at
the level of expertise and the generous nature by which people share
information. First, I want to say thank you, I have learned so much
already. Now, I have a few questions of my own I hope some can help me
with. I have a 79 F150 4x4 that I believe needs new ball joints. My
Haynes Ford Pick-Ups & Bronco 73-79 Repair manual does not even include
a section on Ball Joints. My paper back Chilton's 65-86 Ford Pickups
Repair manual includes a section but seems to lump certain parts for
certain years together that really doesn't make a lot of sense and makes
it difficlult to understand. So, after all that, here are my
questions...
The Chilton makes reference to a Special Ford Tool used to remove the
ball joint. The picture supplied looks like a C-Clamp and perhaps some
sockets used as a "cup". Is this the case or do I need to purchase a
special tool?
Second Question: In the explaination for removing the spindle the
manual says...Remove the wheel bearing locknut, lock ring, and adjusting
nut using special tool T59T-1197-B.... Do I actually need this special
tool or will other tools that are more common to most of our tool boxes
work? If I need it, where do I get it? A parts store? Does it have a
common name?
And finally, I have some experience with removing 4x4 hubs and front
end components but mostly on J**ps. Is there anything I should be
especially aware of on my 79'. Oh yea, I also have a friend who needs
the same thing (balljoints) on his 80' F`150 4x4. Are they pretty much
the same? Should I practice on his first? ;-) Thanks in advance for
any help anyone might have to offer.

Dennis
79 F150 4x4 351M Daily Driver
70 Falcon 390FE
70 Mustang Sports In process of restoration.
61 Willy's PU (Ford Powered) In Process
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:04:13 PST
From: "WILLIAM WHITED"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - VIN Decoder

Where is the site that has the VIN decorder for a 1977? Thanks

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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 21:03:43 -0600
From: "Michael R. Masse"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ball Joints

mdennis wrote:
>

> with. I have a 79 F150 4x4 that I believe needs new ball joints.
> The Chilton makes reference to a Special Ford Tool used to remove the
> ball joint. The picture supplied looks like a C-Clamp and perhaps some
> sockets used as a "cup". Is this the case or do I need to purchase a
> special tool?

See below

> Second Question: In the explaination for removing the spindle the
> manual says...Remove the wheel bearing locknut, lock ring, and adjusting
> nut using special tool T59T-1197-B.... Do I actually need this special
> tool or will other tools that are more common to most of our tool boxes
> work? If I need it, where do I get it? A parts store? Does it have a
> common name?

You can pick up this tool at any parts store. Just ask for a 1/2 ton
Ford 4x4 front spindle nut socket and they should be able to hook you up
with one. It'll have 4 evenly spaced teeth on it. Should be around
$10-$20. If you had one for you're J**p you can use that one. Dana is
Dana is Dana :)

> And finally, I have some experience with removing 4x4 hubs and front
> end components but mostly on J**ps. Is there anything I should be
> especially aware of on my 79'. Oh yea, I also have a friend who needs
> the same thing (balljoints) on his 80' F`150 4x4. Are they pretty much
> the same? Should I practice on his first? ;-) Thanks in advance for
> any help anyone might have to offer.
>
Other then the locking mechanism of the hub itself, everything on your
Ford will come apart exactly like your j$%p. (I'm assuming you meant
you had a CJ) Once you have the spindle off, pull out the axleshaft and
remove the tie rod end. Then remove the two large nuts that hold the
ball joints in place. Then take a large mallet and give the top joint a
good whack. Unless your wearing steel toed boots, make sure your foot
isn't under the knuckle when you do this. Usually it only takes a
couple of good whacks and the knuckle will just drop out. Once the
knuckle is free you have a few choices. You can take the knuckle to a
machine shop to have them press out the old and press in the new ball
joints. You could rent a ball joint press which is just like what you
described. A large c-clamp with cups. You could also buy one. I got
mine from Harbour Freight for $40 and it works great! They also come in
real handy for doing u-joints. Since your friend needs to do the same
thing you might want to consider going in on halfs to either purchase or
rent the tool. I'm not all that familiar with IFS, but it should be....


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