61-79-list-digest Monday, December 28 1998 Volume 02 : Number 574



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Re: Need help again - Engine Painting
FTE 61-79 - Cold weather starting
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cold weather starting
Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 F100 for $950, Good deal?
FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list-digest "Dog Leggin"
Re: FTE 61-79 - Cold weather starting
FTE 61-79 - Hub Caps
FTE 61-79 - Re: Calling Californians
FTE 61-79 - Calling all 429/460 Head experts!
FTE 61-79 - HOLLEY VACUUM PROBLEM
FTE 61-79 - Cold starting and Web page
FTE 61-79 - Dim dashlights.
Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 F100 for $950, OK deal :-(
FTE 61-79 - RE:california emissions -alaska Cold start
Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling all 429/460 Head experts!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dim dashlights.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling all 429/460 Head experts!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling all 429/460 Head experts!
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New classifieds and banners

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 06:44:28 -0600
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Need help again - Engine Painting

>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need help again
>
>I just painted my 360 before installing it. The engine was wrapped in
>oily plastic. I removed the plastic and wiped the engine down with
>a degreaser. I had no problems with the paint adhering to the metal.
>snip
>pretty good.
>
>p.s. don't paint the exhaust manifolds. it took less than a few
>minutes of running and the paint just peeled off. powder coat is
>the only way to go.


1. Engine as per someone's earlier post, yup, degreasing the block makes all
the diff. and brake cleaner is a good, cheap way to do that, especially when
coupled with a scrub brush.

2. Exhaust - agreed, posder coating would be nice, or ceramic. However, per
comments from some months ago, a less costly alternative is the Stainless
Steel Paint from Eastwood. I did one exhaust where the pipes were done in
VHT, and the muffler was in the SSP. Withing 4 months, the pipes
(aluminized) were completely covered with rust, and the muffler looked just
fine 2 years later. Now, 4 years down the pike, the muffler is showing a
little rust where my painting was 'thin'. SSP is actually made for
manifolds, and will cure harder the higher the heat that it sees.
Particularly on a manifold, water exposure will not be as bad as pipes or
mufflers, so I would not hesitate to use this at all.

Jim E.



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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:02:55 PST
From: "Don Jones"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cold weather starting

>>I have a 1970 F-100 with a 360 and C/6. When the temp is be
>> outside it is hard to keep running until it warms up.

Make sure that the two tubes that run from the exhaust manifold to the
carb are in place and are not rusted off or kinked. This made a big
difference on mine. Also make sure you dont "pump" the gas pedal when
your starting it. My '85 f-150 with 300/6 likes a few pumps on cold days
but my 70 f-250/ 360 just floods if I do that. The temp was 0 degrees
the other morning and the old beast lit right up.

Don Jones
85 f-150 supercab
70 f-250 4x4 ~Fordzilla~

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 10:12:49 -0800
From: "Sam Weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cold weather starting

Every non -efi ford I have owned likes 3 pumps when cold.
No more no less. If that didn't start it hold the gass and try again. Avoid
pumping.
When warm, no gas or hold it down a bit.

This has worked for me as low as -40 F in a '78 Bronco, '70 Mustang, and '75
F100.
That's a 351M, 302, and a 360.

Funny thing is the brake fluid... It will freeze, or at least get real
thick. I remember pushing the brake pedal down and it didn't come back up.
Of course this was on ice so I slid into my Mustang that had been put away
for the winter.

-srw

Sam Weatherby SWeatherby uswest.net
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'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
'98 FXD Super Glide
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From: Don Jones
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sunday, December 27, 1998 8:04 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cold weather starting


>>>I have a 1970 F-100 with a 360 and C/6. When the temp is be
>>> outside it is hard to keep running until it warms up.
>
>Make sure that the two tubes that run from the exhaust manifold to the
>carb are in place and are not rusted off or kinked. This made a big
>difference on mine. Also make sure you dont "pump" the gas pedal when
>your starting it. My '85 f-150 with 300/6 likes a few pumps on cold days
>but my 70 f-250/ 360 just floods if I do that. The temp was 0 degrees
>the other morning and the old beast lit right up.
>
>Don Jones
>85 f-150 supercab
>70 f-250 4x4 ~Fordzilla~
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:08:18 -0600
From: Ed Mulligan
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 F100 for $950, Good deal?

As someone looking to purchase his first pickup, how would I check these?
Same as checking balljoints on a car?

Thanks!

Ed

At 09:07 AM 12/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>> >Check the King pins, wheel bearings, radius arm bushings and have
>>someone


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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:23:27 EST
From: IRLobuck aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list-digest "Dog Leggin"

Jeff,
Just because we Texans call it crawfishin doesn't necessarily mean it has
anything to do with movement of crawfish. It probably has more to do with
politics, and let me give you an example. Recently the President was asked
some very tough questions, under oath. His response was to start
"crawfishin", (side stepping the intent of the question while still moving
ahead with an answer). Your truck can be straightened out with a little work,
but unfortunately it appears that our president is intent on staying crooked
forever. Good luck to us all.
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:14:13 PST
From: "Andy D"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Cold weather starting

The tubes are in good shape and connected. A friend of mine said the
choke needs adjusted. He put a 4V on his to solve the problem. As soon
as I find an intake I'm doing the same.

Andy
72 F-100
70 F-100
56 F-600
56 F-100

>Make sure that the two tubes that run from the exhaust manifold to the
>carb are in place and are not rusted off or kinked. This made a big
>difference on mine. Also make sure you dont "pump" the gas pedal when
>your starting it. My '85 f-150 with 300/6 likes a few pumps on cold
days
>but my 70 f-250/ 360 just floods if I do that. The temp was 0 degrees
>the other morning and the old beast lit right up.
>
>Don Jones
>85 f-150 supercab
>70 f-250 4x4 ~Fordzilla~


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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:47:49 -0600
From: Floyd Terrell
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Hub Caps

Anyone know which small hub caps were stock on 1965 F-100. I have seen the
painted and chrome ones with both block and script "FORD"........

Thanks in advance,

Floyd Terrell


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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:51:06 -0500
From: Daniel Maxwell
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Calling Californians

Get a Hemmings Motor News. There are organizations that fight this, along
with a group at WWW.myclassiccar.com. A lot of these programs have failed,
if I remember right , in Az and in Ca because they costed more than they
produced. In Hemming look for Stella Pyrtek-Blond, she fights these through
her organization CAPP. Good luck.

>Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 07:19:51 -0500 (EST)
>From: jdklaers mailhost.magicnet.net (PredFan)
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Calling Californians
>
>Here in Florida, there is talk in the Capitol about starting a "buy-back"
>program of older vehicles that don't conform to the new emission standards.
>I'm sure that this is just a start to tougher laws.
>
>I'm told that California has the toughest emission control standards in the
>US. How do you classic truck enthusiasts get around these laws in the
>Golden State?
>
>Is there a "kit" that can be bought to bring our engines up to emission
>standards?
>
>Thanks
>
>John
>
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:11:42 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Calling all 429/460 Head experts!

Hey all!

Today I was bored, so I decided to crack open the 429/460 (still not sure
which it is!) that I had got for free helping a friend out. The engine is
whole, and I know it ran because I drove the truck it was in. A while back
I had posted that I got the head number off of it and it was a DOVE-C.
Well, here's the problem!
I took off the valve cover on one side and saw inside for the first time-
it was beautiful and clean! I couldn't believe it. So I pulled the
exhaust manifold off of that side also (which all bolts came out really
easy) and pulled the head to find the block also in beautiful shape. Then
I went and took the valve cover off the other side and found different
rockers!!! after a little more investigation I found rusted old numbers
that I *think* are "D3VE-A2A" on that head! I have two different heads on
my free motor!! Now, I don't know anything about V8's, so somebody is
going to have to enlighten me on my options. Are these the same CC
chambers? The DOVE-C head has stud mounts for the rockers, but the other
head has this "keyway" type groove cut into where the studs *would* mount,
but the rocker bolts directly into the head in this hole, rather than onto
the stud like the DOVE-C head. It looks to my "little brain" that I could
machine the keyway type groove sides down flat and just put a stud in that
head also just like the other one!? Is this a possibility? Does anybody
have an extra passenger side DOVE-C head for me that they would be willing
to part with? HELP!!! 8-)

Tony
tony pscico.com
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 18:52:50 -0500
From: "J & M"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - HOLLEY VACUUM PROBLEM

Ive read all the manuals, catalogs, parts books, etc. hoping to figure out
how to improve fuel economy (7) with my new Holley to no avail. Since I
dont know diddly about the finer points of seat of the pants tuning, would
any of you guys be able to help me out ?
With a vac gauge hooked up running down the road, in drive (3rd) cruising
at a steady 50 as smooth as I can, , I only got 6 inches of vac. My power
valve is stamped 7.5, so I assume it is opening up at 7.5 in of vac. Ive
tried resetting the timing both ways, and that doesn't seem to change it
much. There are NO vacuum leaks on the engine. new 351W, Performer 4b
manifold. Holley 6947 (4160).
It runs great, no preignition, idles smooth, cold starts great.
Where's the vacuum I need to keep the power valve shut?
Jerry
1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW AC
1970 F100 (ret)

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:10:41 PST
From: "Andy D"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cold starting and Web page

I think I solved my cold weather starting problem. I drove the truck
into town today (5 mile) and had to walk home. I went back 4 hours
later and drove home. I took the choke apart and adjusted (leaned it
out a lot) after putting it back together. I has started every time so
far. I'll know more in the morning when it's in the 30's. Also I am
putting together a web page and am trying to locate pictures of 53-56
Ford trucks and 67-72 Ford Trucks. Other Ford trucks are welcome too
along with your engines. So if anyone has pictures of their trucks they
don't mind me putting on the page please E-mail them to me with some
information.

Andy
www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Pit/7464
72 F100
70 F100
56 F600
56 F100

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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:47:03 -0800
From: bedlee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dim dashlights.

I'm going to purchase a '74 F250 crew cab. The dash lights are VERY dim.
What could cause this? Bad connections at the fuses? The fusebox looks
exactly like my '65 and I had to replace it because the brake and blinker
lights kept going out. Any help is appreciated.

Lee

'65 F100
'74 F250 Crew Cab ( Finally !!)


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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:21:29 -0500
From: Matthew Hayduk
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 F100 for $950, OK deal :-(

Hi all, discovered something today, the truck has now powersteering. :-(
More than I wanna wrestle with everyday. Can that be retrofitted? Just a
curiosity thing.

BTW, found a 67 Custom with a 302, C6, shortbed, and pretty good condition
for 2400. More than I wanna spend, but I think it is worth 15-1800.

Well, for now I'm still truckless... :-(


Matthew Hayduk
matt plusweb.net ICQ: 3680882 pager.mirabilis.com

94 SVT Cobra Coupe White/Black Leather #4270 of 5009 SCOA
9.176 76.069 Mph PERSONAL TOP SPEED: 137 mph
- - K&N FIPK
- - Flowmaster 2 chamber mufflers with no tailpipes
- - Pro 5.0 Power Tower Shifter
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:16:34 -0800
From: hankg mtaonline.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE:california emissions -alaska Cold start

The buy the old car idea was part of the ill fated clunker bill.
unocal and other large polluting companies would pay for these cars and
earn pollution credits instead of cleaning up their act. Anchorage and
Fairbanks have emission test programs. anchorage goes back to 1968 for
underhood and tail pipe. they also have a limit you have to spend for
non compliance ( I read as fine!) cars that are not driven from
november to march can be exempted since the history of epa violations
are generally between those dates motorhomes, wild street rods, etc. I
doubt if they would exempt a 4wd. oxy fuel is used to help and there
was only one violation per year in the past two years. Before oxy fuel
there were several.
I don't think any exemptions are possible in warm climates. there may
be a maximum you are required to spend per year to comply. You may need
to do some research and possibly find a donor vehicle to strip emission
parts from.

REAL Cold starts really don't start at 50 degrees. However aluminum
spacer between carb and manifold will slow the engine from heating the
carb using exhaust crossover heat. You didn't mention if the problen
was when it was also wet out? I will assume it is. The factory used
hot air from the tin shield on the exhaust manifold to the air cleaner
snorkel to help solve this problem. do you have this on your truck and
is it working ie no hole in the vacuum actuator and the thermister
(temperature switch in air cleaner some models) working. Basically you
carb venturii gets turned into an ice cave when the moisture freezes on
the carb surface. Generally the air bleed holes ice over which makes the
carb expel fuel from almost every port. thus the flooded condition you
talked about. after the engine is partly warm it usually better to turn
it off and let the engine heat warm up the engine from sort of a warm
soak until the carb is warm. hopefully some of this will help you.
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 23:30:09 -0500
From: Matthew Hayduk
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling all 429/460 Head experts!

At 06:11 PM 12/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey all!
>
>Today I was bored, so I decided to crack open the 429/460 (still not sure
>which it is!) that I had got for free helping a friend out. The engine is
>whole, and I know it ran because I drove the truck it was in. A while back
>I had posted that I got the head number off of it and it was a DOVE-C.
>Well, here's the problem!
> I took off the valve cover on one side and saw inside for the first time-
>it was beautiful and clean! I couldn't believe it. So I pulled the
>exhaust manifold off of that side also (which all bolts came out really
>easy) and pulled the head to find the block also in beautiful shape. Then
>I went and took the valve cover off the other side and found different
>rockers!!! after a little more investigation I found rusted old numbers
>that I *think* are "D3VE-A2A" on that head! I have two different heads on
>my free motor!! Now, I don't know anything about V8's, so somebody is
>going to have to enlighten me on my options. Are these the same CC
>chambers? The DOVE-C head has stud mounts for the rockers, but the other
>head has this "keyway" type groove cut into where the studs *would* mount,
>but the rocker bolts directly into the head in this hole, rather than onto
>the stud like the DOVE-C head. It looks to my "little brain" that I could
>machine the keyway type groove sides down flat and just put a stud in that
>head also just like the other one!? Is this a possibility? Does anybody
>have an extra passenger side DOVE-C head for me that they would be willing
>to part with? HELP!!! 8-)


I'll just take the whole motor off your hands if that is ok?


Matthew Hayduk
matt plusweb.net ICQ: 3680882 pager.mirabilis.com

94 SVT Cobra Coupe White/Black Leather #4270 of 5009 SCOA
9.176 76.069 Mph PERSONAL TOP SPEED: 137 mph
- - K&N FIPK
- - Flowmaster 2 chamber mufflers with no tailpipes
- - Pro 5.0 Power Tower Shifter
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Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 20:44:19 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dim dashlights.

Check three things:

1. Missing or burnt out bulbs

2. Headlight switch: It has a round resistor as a part of it.
Replacements are around $15 at a good autoparts store.

3. Extremely dusty inside of the dashboard.

I doubt it is the fuse connection.

I once had a '71 crewcab. It was great when I needed to haul the
family and the 8' box made that truck one long dude!
.

Tim Bowman
'71 F-100

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:44:10 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling all 429/460 Head experts!

do you need a good boat anchor? the d3ve head will make a good one. i have a
pair of "dove" for sale, you may try a local head shop, some times they have
singles laying around.

jeff grant
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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 00:54:00 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling all 429/460 Head experts!

He he he- I'm in Akron, OH. Make me a reasonable offer, and I'll keep it
in mind if I can't find a head! 8-)

Tony

>I'll just take the whole motor off your hands if that is ok?
>
>
>Matthew Hayduk
>matt plusweb.net ICQ: 3680882 pager.mirabilis.com

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Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 04:22:10 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New classifieds and banners

Two announcements:

1. Our new classifieds manager is on line. Check it out. Its
free. Although it says it supports photo ads, that feature
has been disabled (FTE is not a classifieds site so I don't
want to focus a lot of energy maintaining photos). In the
future, we'll turn on keyword notify; this feature means
that you can have the classifieds email you whenever a keyword
you select appears in a new ad. It you want photo ads, check
out http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.classics4sale.com/, they're one of our sponsors
and they have a pretty good truck selection up to the 1970s.
If anyone knows of a similar site for newer trucks, feel free
to post the URL.

2. Each pictorial page now pulls up a banner ad. These banners
will not be used by advertisers! I don't think it would be
ethical to advertise on pages featuring your trucks. Rather,....

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