61-79-list-digest Sunday, December 27 1998 Volume 02 : Number 573



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Calling Californians
FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list-digest "Dog Leggin"
Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 F100 for $950, Good deal?
FTE 61-79 - Cold weather starting
Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling Californians
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list-digest "Dog Leggin"
Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 F100 for $950, Good deal?
FTE 61-79 - Need help again
Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 F100 for $950, Good deal?

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 07:19:51 -0500 (EST)
From: jdklaers mailhost.magicnet.net (PredFan)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Calling Californians

Here in Florida, there is talk in the Capitol about starting a "buy-back"
program of older vehicles that don't conform to the new emission standards.
I'm sure that this is just a start to tougher laws.

I'm told that California has the toughest emission control standards in the
US. How do you classic truck enthusiasts get around these laws in the
Golden State?

Is there a "kit" that can be bought to bring our engines up to emission
standards?

Thanks

John


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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:31:35 EST
From: IRLobuck aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list-digest "Dog Leggin"

Hey Jeff,
Isn't it funny how even "Tech Speak" has different dialects.
Down in Texas dog leggin is known as crawfishin.
Happy Holidays y'all.
LOBUCK
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:07:45 -0500
From: David Wadson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 F100 for $950, Good deal?

>Dog leg. Have someone with a good set of eyes drive behind the truck while
>going down a straight road. You should be looking for the front and rear
>wheels to be tracking each other. If the rears are out of line from the
>fronts you have the rear end out of alignment or the frame is bent. If this
>is really bad you will be able to notice it by the seat of your pants. Rear
>end out of alignment can be a cheap fix but frame being bent can cost some
>real money to fix.

When I was seeing about getting my front end alignmented, I asked about the
rear alignment as I had changed both leaf springs back there. I was told
there was no alignment possible other than making sure that the axle is
seated properly on the centre bolt of the leaf springs. Is there something
else you can do back there?

>> >Check the King pins, wheel bearings, radius arm bushings and have
>someone

Most definitely, check the king pins! Life is much simpler if you don't
have to worry about those...


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS2" - 78 F100/302/C4


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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:19:49 PST
From: "Andy D"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cold weather starting

I have a 1970 F-100 with a 360 and C/6. When the temp is below 50
outside it is hard to keep running until it warms up. I start it and it
starts fine but when I go to move (after letting it run for a minute or
two) it it chugs and dies. Then it will not restart for a day or so.
It acts like it is flooding out. I have all heater stuff (plate between
carb and manifold) in place except the tin that goes on the exhaust to
the air cleaner. Anyone have any ideas? I was always told the FEs did
not like cold weather but I didn't think it would be this bad.

Andy
72 F-100
70 F-100
56 F-600
56 F-100

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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:24:25 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling Californians

PredFan wrote:

> Here in Florida, there is talk in the Capitol about starting a "buy-back"
> program of older vehicles that don't conform to the new emission standards.
> I'm sure that this is just a start to tougher laws.
>
> I'm told that California has the toughest emission control standards in the
> US. How do you classic truck enthusiasts get around these laws in the
> Golden State?
>
> Is there a "kit" that can be bought to bring our engines up to emission
> standards?
>
> Thanks
>
> John

The "kit" is called the check book ;)

Seriously, it has gotten better the last year or so. California moved the
years for smog check from 65 up to 74. So only 74 and newer require a smog
check and such. Any car or truck that comes in from out of state and does not
have a California emissions sticker and equipment will be charged $300 at the
time of registration.
- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon
ICQ# 19575234

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:00:09 -0800
From: "jeffd"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list-digest "Dog Leggin"

I was told the term "dog leggin" while my father and I were walking down
the street behind our dog. Seems she hardly ever walks inline. I was given
a visual example there.
All the crawfish I've seen in Ohio always seem to be going straight in
reverse, do the ones in Texas go sideways ???
Have you noticed how people look at you when you use a term they aren't
familiar with ? They must think you come from a different planet.

Jeff

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> From: IRLobuck aol.com
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list-digest "Dog Leggin"
> Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 6:31 AM
>
> Hey Jeff,
> Isn't it funny how even "Tech Speak" has different dialects.
> Down in Texas dog leggin is known as crawfishin.
> Happy Holidays y'all.
> LOBUCK
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:10:26 -0800
From: "jeffd"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 F100 for $950, Good deal?

There are the leaf spring mounts and the shackles. If the mounts are bent
the springs will bind and put a mechanical load on the rear end. This can
put the rear end out of alignment. If the shackles are bent or worn out the
rear end can be out of alignment or move around while the axle is moving up
and down.

Jeff

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> From: David Wadson
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 F100 for $950, Good deal?
> Date: Saturday, December 26, 1998 6:07 AM
>
> >Dog leg. Have someone with a good set of eyes drive behind the truck
while
> >going down a straight road. You should be looking for the front and rear
> >wheels to be tracking each other. If the rears are out of line from the
> >fronts you have the rear end out of alignment or the frame is bent. If
this
> >is really bad you will be able to notice it by the seat of your pants.
Rear
> >end out of alignment can be a cheap fix but frame being bent can cost
some
> >real money to fix.
>
> When I was seeing about getting my front end alignmented, I asked about
the
> rear alignment as I had changed both leaf springs back there. I was told
> there was no alignment possible other than making sure that the axle is
> seated properly on the centre bolt of the leaf springs. Is there
something
> else you can do back there?
>
> >> >Check the King pins, wheel bearings, radius arm bushings and have
> >someone
>
> Most definitely, check the king pins! Life is much simpler if you don't
> have to worry about those...
>
>
> David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
> "PS2" - 78 F100/302/C4
>
>
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 11:54:35 -0700
From: John & Iva McKay
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need help again

I just painted my 360 before installing it. The engine was wrapped in
oily plastic. I removed the plastic and wiped the engine down with
a degreaser. I had no problems with the paint adhering to the metal.
I did about three coats with the high temp paint and it looks great.
Only a few hours on the new engine but it seems like it'll hold up
pretty good.

p.s. don't paint the exhaust manifolds. it took less than a few
minutes of running and the paint just peeled off. powder coat is
the only way to go.

John
'67 F-100
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 21:48:15 -0500
From: Matthew Hayduk
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 77 F100 for $950, Good deal?

At 09:07 AM 12/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>Dog leg. Have someone with a good set of eyes drive behind the truck while
>>going down a straight road. You should be looking for the front and rear
>>wheels to be tracking each other. If the rears are out of line from the
>>fronts you have the rear end out of alignment or the frame is bent. If this
>>is really bad you will be able to notice it by the seat of your pants. Rear
>>end out of alignment can be a cheap fix but frame being bent can cost some
>>real money to fix.
>
>When I was seeing about getting my front end alignmented, I asked about the
>rear alignment as I had changed both leaf springs back there. I was told
>there was no alignment possible other than making sure that the axle is
>seated properly on the centre bolt of the leaf springs. Is there something
>else you can do back there?
>
>>> >Check the King pins, wheel bearings, radius arm bushings and have
>>someone
>
>Most definitely, check the king pins! Life is much simpler if you don't
>have to worry about those...


Pardon another possibly ignorant question, but what is a king pin and how
do I check them. If they are bad, how much/how hard are they to
repair/replace.

TIA


Matthew Hayduk
matt plusweb.net ICQ: 3680882 pager.mirabilis.com

94 SVT Cobra Coupe White/Black Leather #4270 of 5009 SCOA
9.176 76.069 Mph PERSONAL TOP SPEED: 137 mph
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- - Pro 5.0 Power Tower Shifter....


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