61-79-list-digest Tuesday, December 22 1998 Volume 02 : Number 568



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Wrong oil pan on my FE?
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Spare Tire Carrier
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Wrong oil pan on my FE?
FTE 61-79 - Ignition wire size
FTE 61-79 - Fuel Inlet Hose
Re: FTE 61-79 - 429 heads
FTE 61-79 - FE oil pan in 4X4
FTE 61-79 - Correction- '65 P/S- 20 Dec- 14:47:37
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4v manifolds
FTE 61-79 - ID Heads
FTE 61-79 - F500 go faster
FTE 61-79 - Re: Fuel Inlet Hose
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Inlet Hose
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4v manifolds
Re: FTE 61-79 - 429 heads
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE oil pan in 4X4
FTE 61-79 - broken axle?
Re: FTE 61-79 - broken axle?
FTE 61-79 - Re:64 FORD top speed
FTE 61-79 - 460 info!!!
FTE 61-79 - Vin ID for '65 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - broken axle?
Re: FTE 61-79 - broken axle?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 info!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE oil pan in 4X4
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Fuel Inlet Hose

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 08:15:55 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Wrong oil pan on my FE?

>Yes, that was me. The crimped piece is in the block, not the oil
>filter mount.
>
That was my bad memory at work again, you're right the dipstick goes
through the block, just noticed that the other day ... now to find a
gracefull way to plug it ...


>Thanks, Bill for asking all the questions. I need to be as prepared
>I want to swap motors and have the truck running in one day.
>
No problem, we're all here to learn, I'm just glad someone else is learning
from my sometimes seemingly inane questions :) Good luck on the swap, if
you pull it off, maybe I can get mine done in a weekend ... Dad's got an
extra car for me to drive around 'til I do get it finished though ...

Anyone else have an AWD Tempo ?

:)

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Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 23:37:09 -0500
From: David Wadson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Spare Tire Carrier

>Ford had a bed mounted spare tire for these trucks. I remember seeing the
>twin tank Ranger trucks with a similar mount. I am not sure if the new
>twin tank Rangers have the same setup.

I have a 78 F100 that has a spare tire mount in the bed. There's an pillar
bolted to the inside of the box on the driver's side. The pillar has a long
notch in it with a long bolt in it that can slide up and down. The bolt
slides through your tire and either goes through on of the bolt holes in
the rim or there is some sort of piece that goes onto the bolt. I'm not
sure as I don't have it. I don't think the truck was modified much from
stock and there was no sign of any sort of under the frame tire holder. But
the box is not from this truck so I don't know if that tire holder is
original or what.

I have a manual from 1977 that says the spare wheel is located under the
bed at the rear of the truck. It fits under the gas tank (if there is one
at the back) and there is an optional slide out style. The section "Spare
Wheel F-350 - 140 Inch Wheelbase "Camper Special" and Styleside Pick" shows
a snazzy "spare tire carrier located on the right hand side panel of the
pick-up box, forward of the right rear wheel opening." There's a little
door that pops down so you can get at it - pretty cool looking setup.



David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS2" - 78 F100/302/C4


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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 06:46:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: rositch SLAC.Stanford.EDU
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Wrong oil pan on my FE?

If you need to plug a dipstick hole, you can just get a 1/8" pipe
tap and hold it with a pair of vice-grips, then tap right into the
existing hole (oil pan is off, right?). You can then screw in a
1/8" pipe plug with some sealer. It sounds like a lot of work but
it takes about ten minutes start to finish. I've done this on
several 302 efi engines that I've installed in early Fords with
front sump oil pans.

Don Rositch
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:15:15 -0500
From: "Parsons, Raymond"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ignition wire size

Hey guys:
Can anyone tell me the gauge of the wire that runs from the back of the
ignition switch to the starter relay; truck is '67 F250 C/S. The wire is
brown.

Thanks,
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:21:13 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Inlet Hose

I'm working on a 78 F-250 4x4. Would like to replace the fuel inlet hose (rear
tank). Is this a Ford item? The temptation is to use a piece of radiator
hose....don't know if it would handle the continuous gas exposure, though....

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:29:57 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 429 heads

SHill48337 aol.com wrote:
>
> Can anyone identify these heads for me. They are C8VE-E. Thanks
> OX >>
> Yes, this is one of early ones made from 68-71. Combustion chamber volume is
> 75.8 cc. Uses positive-stop rocker-arm studs and rail-type rocker arms. This
> head fits both the 429 and the 460 and is essentially the same as casting
> numbers C8SZ-B and DOVE-C.

Cool, these are the "good" heads , right??

I have used this head with the stock 1973 and up
> pistons having a 30cc dish to get about a 9:1 compression ratio (good running
> engine on today's pump gas). Do not use with pistons from 68-71 as the
> compression ratio will be about 11:1. What I am saying is this head is about
> a 50 horsepower bolt on for the 73 and up engines. The 73 and newer heads
> have greater than 90 cc combustion chambers, .022" greater deck height, and
> they use the 30cc dish pistons running a true compression ratio only in the
> 7's despite what the advertising literature may say. What are going use them
> on?

Thanks for all the info! I got a 460 short block and these heads for
free ;-). The 460 seems to have flat pistons with massive valve reliefs,
but I'm not sure what year it is. It supposedly has a bad rod and the
heads are missing all the hardware except for about 5-6 valves. I have a
79 F-250 4 X 4 I was using for parts for my 78 Bronco, but have now
decided to make the 250 into a tow vehicle, as the Bronco is too radical
with offroad stuff at this point, for it to be any good at towing. My
long term plan is to use 460 in the 250, and maybe these heads.

OX
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:30:12 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE oil pan in 4X4

Thom B writes: >>The oil pump itself does not change.

True, BUT the pickup tube and one of the main bolts do. Needed to get the
oil from the rear instead of the front of the pan.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 07:32:08 -0800
From: John and Brenda Tengelin
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Correction- '65 P/S- 20 Dec- 14:47:37

I left out the most important part of my question- this is a '65 F250
4-wheel drive that I'm asking about power steering on. Thanks - John

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:10:46 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4v manifolds

>Found a late 60's Galaxy with a stock 4 barrel manifold in the yards. The
>block had 352 below the left head so, if I remember correctly this makes it
>a FE type block.
Yup, sure does ... or did last time I checked...

I like to use OEM parts if I can and I REALLY want a 4
>barrel carb. Just wanted to make sure I was buying something good.
>
I was talking with the performance list ...and they seemed to think that
the manifold I had (65 Galaxie 390) was just fine. And looking at the
specs for the Performer from Edelbrock, its pretty close ... same overall
height and what not. Not sure about port sizes, but if you don't change
the heads, it shouldn't really matter that much. I paid ... seems like
less than $50 for the intake with a carb on it. Carb needs rebuilt, but
its an original Autolite with the tag still on it ...


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:15:57 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ID Heads

Ox writes: >>They are C8VE-E. Thanks

1968 non CJ 429/460 heads I believe. (Lincolns and Tbirds.) High
compression. Around 10.5 or thereabouts.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:22:09 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F500 go faster

Jon Purut writes: >>I would love for it to go faster. Have any ideas?

The rear from any F600-F700 of the same years should be a bolt in. Get the
electricals(or if it is the old vacuum job, then get the vacuum) and the
speedo drive stuff (I seem to remember that some of this stuff was directly
attached to the rear of the speedo), and you should be able to get her up
to a decent highway speed. May have to get the driveshaft shortened.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 10:53:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Fuel Inlet Hose

Jeff asked:
> I'm working on a 78 F-250 4x4. Would like to replace the fuel inlet hose (rear
> tank). Is this a Ford item? The temptation is to use a piece of radiator
> hose....don't know if it would handle the continuous gas exposure, though....

Jeff, if it is a straight hose, you can buy large diameter fuel hose
by the foot at a NAPA or similar parts house. If you use radiator hose,
let us know how long it lasts:-)
- --
Pat Brown
Winter arrived in Sebastopol, California: 70's last week, 20's this week!
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 16:02:32 -0700
From: "Larry Brown"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Inlet Hose

I replaced one on a '70 f100 bed mount once, got it from a local NAPA
dealer. They had a specific hose for that applacation, it came in a 2 or 3
foot length, i do't remember for sure.
Larry

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Inlet Hose


>I'm working on a 78 F-250 4x4. Would like to replace the fuel inlet hose
(rear
>tank). Is this a Ford item? The temptation is to use a piece of radiator
>hose....don't know if it would handle the continuous gas exposure,
though....
>
>Colorado Jeff
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:24:11 -0500
From: "The Freeman Family"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4v manifolds

I've always been told to use a pre '65 manifold on a FE. I've always been
told they flow better than the newer ones. I picked up a 4v off a '63
Galaxie that was bead blasted and painted for $30. I felt like I got a deal
though. Of course I do have a 3x2 manifold for an FE on the way. Now it
you intrested....

- -Ted
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From: William S Hart
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4v manifolds


>>Found a late 60's Galaxy with a stock 4 barrel manifold in the yards. The
>>block had 352 below the left head so, if I remember correctly this makes
it
>>a FE type block.
>Yup, sure does ... or did last time I checked...
>
> I like to use OEM parts if I can and I REALLY want a 4
>>barrel carb. Just wanted to make sure I was buying something good.
>>
>I was talking with the performance list ...and they seemed to think that
>the manifold I had (65 Galaxie 390) was just fine. And looking at the
>specs for the Performer from Edelbrock, its pretty close ... same overall
>height and what not. Not sure about port sizes, but if you don't change
>the heads, it shouldn't really matter that much. I paid ... seems like
>less than $50 for the intake with a carb on it. Carb needs rebuilt, but
>its an original Autolite with the tag still on it ...
>
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>Bill
>
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:19:19 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 429 heads

If the pistons are flat and you use them, the compression ratio will likely be
greater than 10:1, depending on piston deck clearance of the block as high as
11:1. The flat tops will give you about 9.7:1 with the 96cc heads. If you
are concerned that maybe these pistons are actually lower compression and the
valve reliefs are part of the dish. Take a calibrated cc eye dropper, level
the piston and determine the volume the cut outs are responsible for. If they
are less than 15 cc's the compression ratio will be greater than 10:1. At
about 18 cc the compression ratio will be about 9.7:1 again, will run on 92
octane. If you can get greater than 20 cc's preferably 25 to 30 can use
regular. If piston volume is lower than 18 I would not use those pistons with
your new heads. Or use those pistons and a late model head with the 90cc+
combustion chambers. Unless you want to purchase special octane additives do
not go for the high compression using cast iron heads. Aluminum heads will
allow you to go into the 10 region.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460 SCJ aluminum Trick Flow heads 72 cc
combustion chamber, TRW 18 cc dish pistons, deck clearance .010", compression
ratio approximately 10:1.
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:32:12 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE oil pan in 4X4

If anyone is interested I have a FE rear sump pan, oil pickup line and the
special main bolt and nut. Will ship if you pay the shipping.
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:02:13 -0600
From: "ben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - broken axle?

I drove my '79 F-150 4X4 last night, this was the first time I have tried
out the four wheel drive. When turning left, the right front pops and
crackles. Not a good sound!! I have put in new bearings, rotors,
calipers,pads and locking hubs(mile marker) on both sides. It only will
make the noise if the hub is locked, and on left turns. I only have to turn
the wheel a little bit before is starts. Please help!

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:20:36 EST
From: OldTrux aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - broken axle?

LF axle u-joint?
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:33:00 -0500
From: "J.Whited"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:64 FORD top speed

Well yes I do but first I would like to say don't worry about the 6.20 rear
gear. With the7.50x20
tire's that would have come stock on your FORD you need the low gear to
make up for the
large diameter tire.

It's your truck take the DAM govenor off they are just put on to protect
the motor from
cowboy driver's.

Or the govenor can be adjusted or jimmied don't ask how Iknow

As I recal the six cylinder engine came in either 223 or 254 cubic inch
model's which I'll
admit were abit anemic but if it's in good tune it should do more than 35 MPH


Regard's J.Whited
PS Did you ever hook a tuneup tach to it while driving to see if it got up
to rated rpm
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 12:39:20 -0500
From: pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 65 F500 top speed

>>>As a retired truck driver I can't help but wonder why your 64 FORD
F5's top speed is only 35 mph.

J.Whited, I wish it did go faster. The reason it is a slow boat are
numerious. First it has a 6 cylinder engine rated at 114 hp at 3600 rpm.
Second a 6.20 single speed axle. Third it has a govenor on it. I was
talking to fellow list member Azie about it and he said such a setup was
used to haul heavy weight short distances.

I would love for it to go faster. Have any ideas?

Jon E. Purut
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one 64 F500, one 77 F150 and a pair of 65 F100's


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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:34:18 EST
From: BScott5766 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 info!!!

Hi, my name is Brian, and I am a newcomer to the lists. I need some
information from others that have had experience with the 460 V-8. My brother
has a '78 F-100 that we are about to do a frame off of. It has the 302 and
C-6, which is allright, but the truck will be used a lot for hauling our car
trailer to shows and races, but sometimes for daily transportation also.
Therefore we are in need of a lot more torque. We have the opportunity to
acquire a good 460 for a reasonable price, but don't really know the specs
others are getting. What kind of mileage, with what compression ratio, cam,
intake, gears, etc.? We want to use a big block C-6. I have looked into the
aluminum Cobra Jet heads, but for $1300 each, that idea has been scratched.
What kind of experience have you guys had with modifications of the cast iron
heads. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Brian
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 18:36:37 -0800
From: bedlee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vin ID for '65 F100

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what color and trim type my truck originally had. Also, I don't have any =
side badges on my fenders. Where did they go or were they ever there? =
Here goes.
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WB, color, model, body, tranny, axle------ 129 M F100 E81 N A9
max gvw, net horse, dist code ---- 5000 172 4000 74
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Another thing, I have this funky electrical connection right behind the =
driver's door near the gas filler. I think its for some kind of plug for =
a camper?? Not sure. Thanks in advance for your help. Last but not least =
I never did thank you Azie for answering my question on how to post to =
the list. Thanks.=20

Lee
'65 F100 (getting ready for restoration)

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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:51:46 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - broken axle?

Sounds to me like your steering U-joint at that wheel has gone the way of the
Dodo. I'm not a 4wd expert, but the same sound can be found on a front wheel
drive car with bad constant velocity joints. As far as fixing it goes, I have
no idea, but I'm sure someone here can help with that.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:47:47 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - broken axle?

Have you checked the axle shaft u-joint?

Mike
Phoenix, AZ.


>I drove my '79 F-150 4X4 last night, this was the first time I have tried
>out the four wheel drive. When turning left, the right front pops and
>crackles. Not a good sound!! I have put in new bearings, rotors,
>calipers,pads and locking hubs(mile marker) on both sides. It only will
>make the noise if the hub is locked, and on left turns. I only have to turn
>the wheel a little bit before is starts. Please help!
>
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:27:38 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 460 info!!!

stick with an early 460 69-72, all the blocks are good for a street engine,
for towing i would forget about the cj heads (cast #DOOE-R) they offer no
torque, you are much better off with a set of , C8VE, C9VE or DOVE heads, with
a little exhaust porting these will work great with a dual plane alum. intake
and a mild rv type cam. for dependability a set of 429 cj rods would be nice,
and i always like to do alot of deburring on the block and crank, especialy
around the oil drainback holes.

jeff grant
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Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:17:39 PST
From: "Tim Neasham"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE oil pan in 4X4

Heya Bill, how about I drive over to your place and pick it up. I can't
see paying the postage from Kennewick to Benton City. :) LOL. I'm
getting ready to re-build a 390 and would like to have it, unless
someone else has dibs on it. Thanks.

Tim
'74 & '76 F-250
Benton City, Wa.

>From: SHill48337 aol.com
>Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 20:32:12 EST
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE oil pan in 4X4
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>
>If anyone is interested I have a FE rear sump pan, oil pickup line and
the
>special main bolt and nut. Will ship if you pay the shipping.
>Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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