61-79-list-digest Thursday, December 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 563



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Re: 79 F150 4x4 power steering
FTE 61-79 - RE: 1963 ford truck
FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump problemos
FTE 61-79 - dipstick/wrong oil pan??
FTE 61-79 - Tranny yoke
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electronic Ignition
FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump test
FTE 61-79 - Re: Wrong oil pan on my FE?
FTE 61-79 - Ruptured diaphram
FTE 61-79 - heater core flow
FTE 61-79 - Re: Wrong oil pan on my FE?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Wrong oil pan on my FE?
FTE 61-79 - Dipstick location
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ruptured diaphram
RE: FTE 61-79 - 2 speed 60
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Wrong oil pan on my FE?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dipstick location
Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F150 4x4 power steering
FTE 61-79 - Wrong oil pan on my FE?
FTE 61-79 - Re: 79 351M is doggy
FTE 61-79 - Re: 351Doggy
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Damage 2V
FTE 61-79 - But I still have a problem -- heater core
FTE 61-79 - wheel holes
FTE 61-79 - gear ratios
RE: FTE 61-79 - Aux tranny
FTE 61-79 - 63 front end parts
Re: FTE 61-79 - gear ratios
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: 351Doggy
RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 truck oil pan
Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 351M is doggy
FTE 61-79 - F-250 Front End Lifts
FTE 61-79 - RE: FE Fuel Pump, with ?'s
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: FE Fuel Pump, with ?'s
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump\Stu's Effie
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump\Stu's Effie
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump\Stu's Effie
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dipstick location
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dipstick location
RE: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump\Stu's Effie
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dipstick location
FTE 61-79 - Re: 390 Dipstick through Pan
FTE 61-79 - FE oil pans and fuel pumps
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ruptured diaphram
Re: FTE 61-79 - F-250 Front End Lifts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dipstick location
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electronic Ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - Ruptured diaphram
Re: FTE 61-79 - F-250 Front End Lifts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 70 vs Corporate 10.25"
FTE 61-79 - '79 351M is doggy
FTE 61-79 - 4v manifolds
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wrong oil pan on my FE?

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:41:13 -0500
From: Steve Schaefer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 79 F150 4x4 power steering

>
>
> From: "B.T.A.K"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 F150 4x4 power steering
>
> I just bought another Ford truck(now have three 73-79's) There is
> something
> wrong with the steering, it is very ackward to turn. It does not turn
> smoothly, it alternates between easy and hard to turn(need both hands)
> for
> every 20 degrees of turn that is put on the steering wheel. It feel
> like
> something is bent and is binding, but nothing appears to be bent
> either from
> the column to the steering box, or underneath the vehicle. Also when
> turning
> the steering wheel and it gets to one of points where it is hard to
> turn the
> power steering pump sound like it is working hard. Does any body know
> what
> is wrong? Is it the pump or the box or .... ? Any info would be
> appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>
> 79 F150 4x4 400 c6 np205
> 79 F150 351m c6
> 78 F250 s/c 351m c6
>

DO NOT drive the truck. I had this happen to me. The input side of the
steering box has a collor with an adjustment nut on it. This nut comes
loose and allows slop and binding in the steering gear. When this
happened to me I thought it would be fine (thought it was the PS pump),
about 10 days after it started the steering locked up solid on me. I
had to undo the pitman arm in order to move the truck out of the way. I
pulled the steering box apart and replaced the components on the input
side w/parts from a 2wd box I had. Has worked great for 4 years
now.Hope this helps.

Steve
77 F-250 Super Cab, 400M, C-6 Yellow/Purple (Barney)


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:13:25 -0500
From: pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: 1963 ford truck

The 1963 ford one ton trucks were F350s.

Jon E. Purut
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one 64 F500, one 77 F150 and a pair of 65 F100's

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:15:46 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump problemos

I put 3 fuel pumps on my 71 360FE 4x4 before (I carry a spare) I tore it
apart for the resto. I did this in 19 months (3,000 miles) with MasterParts
brand rebult pumps. Each time the truck would run crappy then cut out, a
little fuel would leak out the diaphram but not all over the engine.

I feel some of this may be a poor rebuild?! When I get the engine rebuilt,
I will buy a new Carter if I can locate one. Actually, I will buy two and
keep one behind the seat of the truck.

Also, I snagged a couple of sets of my wife's hemastats (spelling) from her
Nursing bag to use for clamping the lines off if I ever needed to on the
road. They work well and do not cut the rubber hose.

Do not comment on this one Deacon! ;^)

Stu
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>"I had a diaphram (sp) burst in a fuel pump and with each pump a stream
>of
>
>fuel shot up on the engine. Wonder if it would ever burst at another
>place
>
>

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:21:33 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - dipstick/wrong oil pan??

My 71 360 FE 4x4 dipstick goes through the oil pan below the #3 cylinder area.
The engine is a documented factory installed engine. Go figure! Ford Motor
Co. did many things without logic or reason.

Stu
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>Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:06:24 -0800
>From: Tim Bowman
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wrong oil pan on my FE?
>
>I don't recall any FE 360 or 390 that has a dipstick going through the
>oil pan. They all go through the block.
>
>Tim
>'71 F100
>

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:01:30 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tranny yoke

Randy writes: >>now the yoke on the end of the trans has a big
chunk busted out of it .. no one around here has a yoke to replace it .
Does anyone on this list have a spare i need one desperately The
truck has a 400m auto trans I hope someone can help Thanks for the
help

Try Birmingham Spring: (205) 251-6281. Talk to Ray in machine shop. I
think he can ship if you have a credit card.

OR: Performance Gear: (601) 796-2026. Talk to Wayne. He will ship with
credit card order.

I'm not connected with either. Just a satisfied customer of both.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:08:23 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electronic Ignition

> Easier? Than installing electronic ign? Hmmm...

No, not easier than the electronic ignition, just easier than I thought it
would be ... been doing a lot of the planning in my head though, so real
world might be a different story. We'll just have to wait and see what
happens.


And it's so much more expensive to fix (and likely
> to leave you walking) when something does break down.
>
I think the keys to this are to use some common parts, and a computer with
a "limp mode" that runs a certain mixture and timing once things get so far
off. It won't get you there quick, but it'll get you there ...

Bill
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:10:09 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump test

Brian Kirking writes: >>You can test the fuel pump on the truck by
disconnecting the fuel line at the carb, cranking the engine, and noting
how much fuel comes out.

Be sure you don't let raw gas flow out on your manifold near the
distributor if you have any chance of a stray spark getting to it. Route
the fuel away and into a catch container with additional hose clamped to
the pump. You will have early Christmas lighting if you aren't very
careful with this.

The Full vs near empty tank is a good indicator of fuel pump failure.
The analogy of better idle with low pressure vs higher engine speed is also
correct. (takes much less fuel at idle than pulling the vehicle at speed.)

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:40:14 -0600
From: "Jamey Moss"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Wrong oil pan on my FE?

Tim Bowman wrote:

> I don't recall any FE 360 or 390 that has a dipstick going through the
> oil pan. They all go through the block.


There was a discussion a few months ago about leaky plates where the
dipstick enters the oil pan on freshly rebuilt FE's . The problem was
that hot tanking ate the gasket on the plate where the dipstick enters
the pan. The dipstick on my 390 from a 2wd F100 goes through the block,
and I was glad to find that after reading about the post-rebuild leakage
problems. Another possibility is that the FE's that went into cars had
the dipstick entering through a plate in the oil pan and the trucks had
it into the block, but that's just a wild guess.


Jamey Moss
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:38:49 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ruptured diaphram

JSH writes: >>"I had a diaphram (sp) burst in a fuel pump and with each
pump a stream of fuel shot up on the engine. Wonder if it would ever burst
at another place and direct the stream into the engine? Would the elec.
fuel pump bypass this situation?"

Mechanical fuel pumps get ruptured diaphrams and the rupture occurs so the
fuel goes either of two ways - through the breathe hole on the outside or
to the inside where it mixes with the oil in the crankcase. Neither of
these are good. Gas is not a lubricant, so we don't want it in our oil.
It is also very flamable, so we don't want it spewing all over our hot
engines that aren't always maintained properly and will sometimes have a
few stray sparks floating around near the distributor and the sparkplug
wire routes. (ever raise the hood on a not so well maintained vehicle at
night with the engine running and awe at the sparks flying around under
there???) Ruptured diaphrams in fuel pumps are not good.

Happy Holidays to everyone.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:41:28 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - heater core flow

OK, Azie, you have convinced me.


- -John

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Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:43:25 -0800 (PST)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Wrong oil pan on my FE?

William S Hart wrote:

> Is your 250 a 2wd and your 150 a 4wd ?

Yes on both counts.

> ... a 76 390, it had a front sump style of oil pan on it, while
> my 360 has the rear sump style. It wouldn't do a whole lot of
> good to check the oil in the front of the pan with all the oil
> at the back, ...

DOH! I am swapping motors putting the good motor in the good
truck (the F-100). The good motor is front sump and the bad
(shouldn't call it bad, I hardly know it) motor is rear sump.
The 4WD obviously requires a rear sump. I never even thought
about this.

Have you gotten to the point that you could tell if I can just
swap the oil pump pickup parts when I switch oil pans? I am
assuming it would be no problem.

> Maybe someone knows what they're supposed to look like, I'm
> pretty sure both of mine are originally 2wd engines, and
> they're both going in 4wd vehicles.

Can we get some help here? Anyone with a 1/2 ton 4WD FE have
the dipstick tube in the block? Or is the oil pan tube correct?
The oil pan is dented from hitting a rock or something and if
I go looking for another one I want to get the right thing.

> Mark wrote
> > Is there an easy way to tell the difference between a car FE
> > and a truck FE externally?
>
> You might check the heads, though they could have been changed,
> its likely that if they are car heads its a car engine ... just
> my guess though.

How do I tell a car head from a truck head?


Tim Bowman wrote:

> I don't recall any FE 360 or 390 that has a dipstick going
> through the oil pan. They all go through the block.

Tim, does that include FE's from four wheel drive trucks with
rear sumps?

Mark
- --
'74 F-100 4X4
'74 F-250 Supercab

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:45:02 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Wrong oil pan on my FE?

>that hot tanking ate the gasket on the plate where the dipstick enters
>the pan. The dipstick on my 390 from a 2wd F100 goes through the block,


I'll have to remember the hot tanking thing, but in the mean time, this
backs up my theory that the 4x4's had the dipstick in the pan between the
6&7 cylinders (or back there on drivers side at any rate) while the 4x2's
had it going through the block that mounts the oil filter ...

I assume this is because one of them is holding the oil to the rear because
of the front axle on the 4x4s and the 4x2's probably use the same one as
cars ....

But hey its just a theory ... anyone know what all is idfferent ? Is the
oil pump mounted differently because of this ? I have a 2wd 390 going into
my 4x4, can I just switch the oil pan and filter mount, or will I need to
get a different oil pump too ?

Thanks all
Bill
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:47:25 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dipstick location

Tim Bowman writes: >>I don't recall any FE 360 or 390 that has a dipstick
going through the oil pan. They all go through the block.

Naw --- All 4X4's with FE (or for that matter any engine that I am aware
of)have the dipstick located in the Pan. The 2X4's and cars had it in
block.

Happy Holidays to all.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:49:22 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ruptured diaphram

> Gas is not a lubricant,

Sorry Azie, but the people who make the electric fuel pumps on the newer
cars seem to disagree ... lots of stories of people burning out their elec.
fuel pumps (in the rear of the car) shortly after they've run it out of gas
because they aren't getting the lube when there's no gas ... just a helpful
handy tip to those who have/are converting to EFI. I got lucky when my gf
ran my Mustang dry, no signs of failure yet, but I wouldn't do it again
(does she ever read that gauge?! :)


> so we don't want it in our oil.
>It is also very flamable, so we don't want it spewing all over our hot

I think we can all agree on this, imagine how much fun that would be to
watch ? (if you weren't the owner/driver of the car)


> (ever raise the hood on a not so well maintained vehicle at
>night with the engine running and awe at the sparks flying around under
>there???)

Nope, can't say as I've ever seen this, sounds pretty awesome if not the
best answer :) Maybe I should check my truck, it could be doin this
(though I doubt it) ...


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:52:16 -0700
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 2 speed 60

I am real interested in this if it exists. My daily drive is a 1976 crew
with 4.10 gears that see's a lot of highway time. Is there anything
aftermarket for dana 60 or dana70(thats what is in there now) that makes it
two speed rear? Or maybe an affordable overdrive? Its a two wheel drive.
Also, I am looking for a 4wd short or longbed crewcab frame? Are supercab
frames close???? Who has info on frame lengths, ie, wheelbase, total
length, any width differences etc. Thanks in advance. Rick

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> From: J.S.H.[SMTP:F428 ford-trucks.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 12:44 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 2 speed 60
>
> "Has anyone heard of a 2 speed Dana 60? Does anyone know
> where to look to find out if such a thing ever existed?"
>
> - -Mike
>
> I have a article from a early 70s Hot Rod magazine around here
> somewhere on a 2 spd. Dana 60. It was installed in a Cougar Eliminator.
> It was to be a factory option in FoMoCo and maybe other (lesser) brands
> of muscle cars. Don't know what ever happened to the project, but I
> guess there is at least one 2 spd Dana 60 around.
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:02:56 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Wrong oil pan on my FE?

>Have you gotten to the point that you could tell if I can just
>swap the oil pump pickup parts when I switch oil pans? I am
>assuming it would be no problem.
>
Well so far I can see that the oil filter mount will probably swap between
them ... though yours is already wrong on both accounts ? or am I
remembering someone elses that has a crimped piece in the location of the
old dipstick ?

>Can we get some help here? Anyone with a 1/2 ton 4WD FE have
>the dipstick tube in the block? Or is the oil pan tube correct?
>The oil pan is dented from hitting a rock or something and if
>I go looking for another one I want to get the right thing.
>
yeah, what he said! :) Stu ? Pictures maybe ? Seems like you said
yours was original ...

>How do I tell a car head from a truck head?
>
Part number mostly ... seems like mine are D2TE (TE = Truck Engine) there
is a list I saw somewhere of what vehicles the letter following the number
line up with ... might have been wrljet.com (boy that place comes in handy
all the time)

Seems like A is just generic Ford, W is Cougar, Z is Mustang? I dunno,
but you get the idea ...


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:04:16 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dipstick location

>Naw --- All 4X4's with FE (or for that matter any engine that I am aware
>of)have the dipstick located in the Pan. The 2X4's and cars had it in
>block.
>Azie


WooHoo ... Azie comes through with the info again! :)

Can you tell us about swapping out between the 2 and 4wd models ? What all
do we need to change ? I'd hate to get my 390 done and ready to go in,
just to find out it won't oil right because of the wrong pump!

Bill
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:12:21 -0600
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F150 4x4 power steering

B.T.

Your stories brings two things to mind.

1. Someone has adjusted the steering screw out to far. Maybe trying to hide
a worn steering gear box.

2. Someone has put oil in your power steering. I say this from
experience. My son at age 13 wanted to check the oil in my wife's car.
I thought I taught him well. Dud! It needed oil he said so I told him to put
it in. My wife went to drive it and complain about the steering being hard.
It
turned easy then real hard then easy again. ?????? Ask my son where you
would put the oil in. Quess were he pointed. Drain it but never worked
right again.
Go ahead and laugh. It a cruel world.










At 05:06 PM 12/16/98 -0700, you wrote:
>I just bought another Ford truck(now have three 73-79's) There is something
>wrong with the steering, it is very ackward to turn. It does not turn
>smoothly, it alternates between easy and hard to turn(need both hands) for
>every 20 degrees of turn that is put on the steering wheel. It feel like
>something is bent and is binding, but nothing appears to be bent either from
>the column to the steering box, or underneath the vehicle. Also when turning
>the steering wheel and it gets to one of points where it is hard to turn the
>power steering pump sound like it is working hard. Does any body know what
>is wrong? Is it the pump or the box or .... ? Any info would be
>appreciated. Thanks in advance.
>
>
>79 F150 4x4 400 c6 np205
>79 F150 351m c6
>78 F250 s/c 351m c6
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:20:27 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wrong oil pan on my FE?

Somebody said:

"I don't recall any FE 360 or 390 that has a dipstick going through the
oil pan. They all go through the block."

The 4x4's have the rear sump pans, and the dipsticks go in through the side of
the pan. In fact, the little plate where the dipstick goes through is
notorious for leaking. They are riveted on. We had a discussion awhile ago on
changing the rivets over to bolts or to weld the thing on.....

The other mickey deal here is that the dipstick tube fits in with a tapered
fit, again a good source for a leak. I was recently checking out a 351, and it
looks like the dipstick tube screws into the little plate, rather than just a
"pressure" fit....be nice to graft one of these plates onto the FE pan....

Colorado Jeff




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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:23:57 -0500
From: adam.hicks ppctx.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 79 351M is doggy


Do you know if you have any back pressure left from your exhaust
system? With big fat headers, no cats and 2 chamber (I assume)
flows on there - probably mated up to >2" - 2 1/2" pipe, you might
be great at 3-6k RPM, but your low end will suffer some...

Just a thought.

Adam
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 07:18:15 -0800
From: "Chris Samuel"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 351Doggy

- ->From: BJ Tiemessen
- ->Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 351M is doggy

- ->I have a 79 F-250 that I just rebuilt a 77 351M for and it is DOGGY! I
- ->bored it .030 over, the cam is a P.A.W. 270/280 duration (204/214 .050
- ->lift) with 112 deg. lobe seperation and .484/.510 lift. I chose this
- ->cam for the performance range and the increaced exaust duration. I also
- ->am running headers and dual exaust with flowmasters, the carb and
- ->ignition is stock. I calculated the compression ratio to be 9.48:1, and
- ->I have 3.54 gears and a C-6 tranny.
SNIP
- ->I am wondering if this cam has made me loose all of my torque.

The answer is no and yes.. If the cam is installed correctly then it moved
up in the RPM range. If it is installed incorrectly then You could have
killed the Torque.

- ->What is the stock cam specs?

IMHO The stock cam is so mild as to not have any!

- ->I had a small vacuum leak but that is fixed and it still does this.

Are you sure that you have cures this problem? Could you have had more then
one?

- ->I can't find my vacuum guage but P.A.W. says I should have 16-18".

This sounds about right for this cam.

- ->Also I have a 500cfm holly 2 brl sitting around, would this help?

Yes. This will help. You have made modifications to allow the engine to
breath with your Cam, Compression Headers and Exhaust system. The one thing
that you didn't do is allow more air into the engine. To get the maximum
benefit out of this engine you at the minimum should swap on the Holley and
about a 2" thick single hole spacer between it and the manifold. Better yet
would be a 4BBL manifold and a 625-700 CFM 4BBL.
You may need to advance the initial timing also.

- ->Any help would be appreciated

- ->Thanks
- ->BJ

Hope I did.
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:34:04 -0700
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: Damage 2V

There is a power valve blowout protection kit for about $10-15 for holleys.
Just go to any place that sells performance parts. I put one in my 780
holley. Rick


> >
> Definately check the power valve then. My 360 ate those like ... well a
> lot. I know they make testers for them, but I would imagine they're
> pretty
> cheap. I've not had any problems since I put my holley on, but it was
> also
> a switch from 2v to 4v, so just goin through the top of the engine again
> (new timing chain and gears too) might've helped things a bit.
>
> Bill
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:39:47 -0600
From: David John
Subject: FTE 61-79 - But I still have a problem -- heater core

Adam,

snip>>>
Is there a way to remove the entire black casing in the engine
compartment that houses all this stuff? It seems like there'd be
an easier way to replace the blower motor! Mine's rivited around the
edges. Can I remove the bolds on the firewall and pull that entire
cover off?
>>>
Yes you can..........

I just went through all of this last fall and yes you can pull the
entire cover off. I have the same setup in my 78 w/ AC, I also have a
460 w/ headers and I thought I would have to pull the engine just to get
that cover off. Not the case you just need some patience and a little
luck.

Start by takeing all of the bolts loose that hold that housing on (some
of mine went from the cab to the engine and some vice versa, but that
may be due to someone elses work). Now the AC condesor core should be
able to come out (read come loose and swing out fo the way) without the
removal of the housing, but you will not be able to get at the fan or
heater core from the inside (at least to remove that is). The AC core
has a couple of screws in it going sideways so make sure you have all of
them out, and just give it a good yank, it is kind of wedged in there!!
Be carefull of your copper temp senser thingy and the wires that conect
to some other sensor in the unit.

There are also some screws/bolts that hold where the AC hoses go into
the housing make sure you get all of them out. It may not seem like it
but you are able to swing the unit out of there without disconecting the
AC hoses. (I almost did this, but at 11:00pm decided to sleep on it and
got it to come out without disconecting the hoses, mazing what a little
sleep can do). Once the whole unit is loose just wiggle the heck out of
it, and chant to yourself that this does come out, this does come
out.... And it should pop out, going in is easier if for no other
reason than you know it came out so it must go back in.

I managed to do this by myself and without any prior experience like
yourself. Good luck!!!

David John
1978 F250 4x4 Supercab Camper Special
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:37:54 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - wheel holes

Ox,

You are right about the 90 degree lip. On my dad's 55 Buick, which my
sister still owns, there is no lip around the center hole, but it uses
bolts instead of studs and nuts. Also, you guys doing cross brand wheel
swaps keep in mind that if the center hole is larger than the hub it is
possible to bolt your wheels on off center and you are transferring more
stress to the lug nuts and studs. It gives you a real nice bounce. I had a
61 Chrysler that we bolted Ford 15 inchers onto to replace the stock 14s.

BTW, I want to wish everyone in the FTE Family a joyous and safe holiday
season. Working for the school system has its advantages. After tomorrow I
start a 2 week vacation. Bless you every one.

- -John

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:51:23 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - gear ratios

Someone, I can't remember who and I'm too lazy, er I mean busy, to look was
wondering about gear ratios and RPM.
At 55 mph a 3.73 ratio will turn 2250 rpm
At 55 mph a 3.54 ratio will turn 1850 rpm
At 55 mph a 2.62 ratio will turn 1650 rpm
These readings are without a lockup torque converter but on an automatic
tranny using stock tachometers, so there is some leeway. The speedometers
were clocked and were close to accurate. All ratios are the final drive
ratios as the 2.62 was a 4AOD. These were not all Fords.

Hope this helps.

- -John

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:56:01 -0700
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Aux tranny

What did you pull the overdrive out of? Will it work in a 1976 c6
auto/460 truck crewcab?

> It is a Spicer 5831 Aux.
>
> Haven't got it ready for installation yet. Have torn into it. All looks
> good, and seems to work well.. I want to do a little "engineering" to the
> input and output areas yet, so it will bolt up to the same U-joints as in
> my F250 and F350. Right now it has some very large U-joint flanges
> hanging
> out there.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:57:37 -0600 (CST)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 63 front end parts

Howdy!

I am going to replace some parts from the front end of my 63.
Here is my list so far:
- draglink
- both tie rods
- both king pins
- shackle bushing assemblies, lower and upper
The question that I have is that I am not sure if I need to
replace the pitman arm or if back then it was designed as a non-wearable
part. If anyone has any suggestion on parts that I might be overlooking
or anything else please let me know. As a side note, I am not going to
mess with the leaf springs at the moment that will have to wait until I
have more money.

Thanks.
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:04:54 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - gear ratios

At 09:51 AM 12/17/98 , you wrote:
>Someone, I can't remember who and I'm too lazy, er I mean busy, to look was
>wondering about gear ratios and RPM.
>At 55 mph a 3.73 ratio will turn 2250 rpm
>At 55 mph a 3.54 ratio will turn 1850 rpm
>At 55 mph a 2.62 ratio will turn 1650 rpm
>These readings are without a lockup torque converter but on an automatic
>tranny using stock tachometers, so there is some leeway. The speedometers
>were clocked and were close to accurate. All ratios are the final drive
>ratios as the 2.62 was a 4AOD. These were not all Fords.

Don't forget to figure tire diameters in with this, if you run oversized
tires, then its similar to a lower(numerically) gear ... basically off by
the % difference in the tires


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:11:21 -0500
From: "Jay Grover"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: 351Doggy

Also, you probably need to re-jet the carb (to richen the mixture).
I can't get my 351W to run rich enough after swapping on the headers (I also
have the 500 cfm 2v).
If you have the Holley 500 cfm 2v, it is exactly one half of a 1000 cfm
Dominator 4v (the jets and all other parts should all exchange).
I'll be swapping to the Edelbrock Performer RPM intake and Holley 4v later
this winter. 650 to 700 cfm is probably more appropriate for an engine of
this size turning above 4000 rpm (I assume that is the reason for the
header/cam swap).

Jay

> ->I have a 79 F-250 that I just rebuilt a 77 351M for and it is DOGGY! I
> ->bored it .030 over, the cam is a P.A.W. 270/280 duration (204/214 .050
> ->lift) with 112 deg. lobe seperation and .484/.510 lift. I chose this
> ->cam for the performance range and the increaced exaust duration. I also
> ->am running headers and dual exaust with flowmasters, the carb and
> ->ignition is stock. I calculated the compression ratio to be 9.48:1, and
> ->I have 3.54 gears and a C-6 tranny.
> SNIP
> ->I am wondering if this cam has made me loose all of my torque.
>
> The answer is no and yes.. If the cam is installed correctly then it moved
> up in the RPM range. If it is installed incorrectly then You could have
> killed the Torque.
>
> ->What is the stock cam specs?
>
> IMHO The stock cam is so mild as to not have any!
>
> ->I had a small vacuum leak but that is fixed and it still does this.
>
> Are you sure that you have cures this problem? Could you have had
> more then
> one?
>
> ->I can't find my vacuum guage but P.A.W. says I should have 16-18".
>
> This sounds about right for this cam.
>
> ->Also I have a 500cfm holly 2 brl sitting around, would this help?
>
> Yes. This will help. You have made modifications to allow the engine to
> breath with your Cam, Compression Headers and Exhaust system. The
> one thing
> that you didn't do is allow more air into the engine. To get the maximum
> benefit out of this engine you at the minimum should swap on the
> Holley and
> about a 2" thick single hole spacer between it and the manifold.
> Better yet
> would be a 4BBL manifold and a 625-700 CFM 4BBL.
> You may need to advance the initial timing also.
>
> ->Any help would be appreciated
>
> ->Thanks
> ->BJ
>
> Hope I did.
> Muel
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:12:13 -0700
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 460 truck oil pan

Check a van pan in a boneyard! Rick

> ----------
> From:
> sjacobi fd9ns01.okladot.state.ok.us[SMTP:sjacobi fd9ns01.okladot.state.ok.
> us]
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 1998 10:40 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 truck oil pan
>
> Does anyone out there know who might sell a new oil pan for a 460 with the
> drain spout on the front? All the catalogs I have seen only have the car
> 460 oil pans with the drain on the side.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:17:40 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 351M is doggy

>From: BJ Tiemessen
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 351M is doggy
>
>I just rebuilt a 77 351M ... and it is DOGGY!
> I bored it .030 over, the cam is a P.A.W. 270/280
>duration (204/214 .050 lift) with 112 deg. lobe
>seperation and .484/.510 lift. ...
>I also am running headers and dual exaust with
>flowmasters, the carb and ignition is stock. I
>calculated the compression ratio to be 9.48:1...
>I can't even power break it. I am wondering if this
>cam has made me loose all of my torque.
>What is the stock cam specs?

Yo BJ:

The cam specs you give are more duration than stock (approx 190-192 degrees
0.050") with a healthier lift than stock (0.433" at the valves), but I
certainly wouldn't consider it "radical." I wouldn't expect a cam w/ those
specs to produce any roughness at idle, if set properly.

If you can't get good engine braking, that means you aren't getting good
compression, and that also leads me to suspect the cam timing is off.
Did you "degree" the cam to make sure it's set up correctly?

>I have a manual choke so I know that that isn't the
>problem. Should I look towards an igniton
>upgrade? If so what kind? Also I have a 500cfm
>holly 2 brl sitting around, would this help?
>Any help would be appreciated

I would look at the cam first. If you're using the stock intake manifold,
the stock carb shouldn't cause any weakness until you're up over 3K rpm.
With just a 0.5" spacer on top of the stock manifold, the stock carb is
good up to 4.5K (or so) rpm. The stock ignition should be good up to
5.5-6K rpm, which is about where your engine redlines anyway.

Just wondering about that compression ratio. How did you calculate it?
What did you change on the engine to get that CR?

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:26:31 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F-250 Front End Lifts

A couple of thoughts on lifting (only and inch or so) the front end of a
highboy. The first class way is, obviously, to get new springs. Next, go with
an "add a leaf" (if they are still available). Next, lower the front spring
perches (a block between the frame and front spring mount....this, by the way,
gives a little more clearance for the pitman arm while installing the 78-79
integral steering unit). Has anyone tried this?

Also, I've always heard its bad news to put any kind of blocks under the front
springs. Would a one inch set of blocks make that much difference?

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:24:05 -0700
From: "Danger"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: FE Fuel Pump, with ?'s

earlier, someone wrote...

It runs fine for a while, idle, high road speed (like 30 min). Then falls
apart at idle when coming to a light.
................
I had similar problems with my 69 F250 with Holley 4 bbl. There was a very
small piece of old gasket material inside the primary float bowl which only
seemed to affect idle.




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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:46:52 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: FE Fuel Pump, with ?'s

>I had similar problems with my 69 F250 with Holley 4 bbl. There was a very
>small piece of old gasket material inside the primary float bowl which only
>seemed to affect idle.
>
BTDT ... when you shut it off, if you listen you can hear the gas still
pouring down the carb ...

Just a tip

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:03:11 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump\Stu's Effie

From: Stu Varner
>I put 3 fuel pumps on my 71 360FE 4x4 before (I carry a spare) I tore
it
>apart for the resto.

I don't know if this has been posted so I'll just post it anyway. :)
I picked a magazine called "50 Years of the Ford F-Series" last night
and flipping through it, what do I find? That's right! Stu's '71 4x4
Effie. Congratulations Stu. They gave you a nice write-up. So how come
you didn't say anything about all the help you've gotten from FTE,
hmmmm? ;\

>Also, I snagged a couple of sets of my wife's hemostats (spelling) from
her
>Nursing bag to use for clamping the lines off if I ever needed to on
the
>road. They work well and do not cut the rubber hose.
>
>Do not comment on this one Deacon! ;^)

What ever do you mean Stu? Why else would a person have hemostats in
the cab of their truck? I personally carry a couple pairs around with me
at all times. I have found they come in handy almost every day! Whenever
I'm getting something small hot, I use them to hold it with. Like I
wouldn't solder wires without them. You know. Stuff like that! "]


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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:56:46 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump\Stu's Effie

>I picked a magazine called "50 Years of the Ford F-Series" last night
>and flipping through it, what do I find? That's right! Stu's '71 4x4
>Effie. Congratulations Stu. They gave you a nice write-up. So how come


What Page??
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:15:22 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump\Stu's Effie

From: >Sam Weatherby
>What Page??

It's on page 11. It says the resto Stu is doing to it shouldn't be too
difficult. They apparently don't know Stu! :)

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 10:17:30 -0800
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dipstick location

am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:

> Tim Bowman writes: >>I don't recall any FE 360 or 390 that has a dipstick
> going through the oil pan. They all go through the block.
>
> Naw --- All 4X4's with FE (or for that matter any engine that I am aware
> of)have the dipstick located in the Pan. The 2X4's and cars had it in
> block.
>
> Happy Holidays to all.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>

You sure Azie? I just checked my truck and the dipstick is in the block. Front
sump, too. 1970 F100 4x4. Originally came with a 360, but now is a 390. Come
to think of it, this probably isn't the original block. I thought maybe it
was just rebuilt to 390 specs, but I just remembered seeing a plate on the
back of the block below the intake manifold that says "Streetmaster 390" or
something similar. Probably not meant to be in a 4x4 if it's a "street"master,
huh? I would check the '69 too, but it isn't around at the moment.

- --
Matt Cozad
1994 Toyota 4Runner 4x4 "Yoda"
1970 F100 4x4 "Jabba the Truck"
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:14:45 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dipstick location

>You sure Azie? I just checked my truck and the dipstick is in the block. Front
>sump, too. 1970 F100 4x4. Originally came with a 360, but now is a 390. Come
>to think of it, this probably isn't the original block. I thought maybe it
>was just rebuilt to 390 specs, but I just remembered seeing a plate on the
>back of the block below the intake manifold that says "Streetmaster 390" or
>something similar. Probably not meant to be in a 4x4 if it's a "street"master,
>huh? I would check the '69 too, but it isn't around at the moment.

Don't suppose your truck is lifted ? How does the oil pan clear the front
axle ? I would think a good sized bump would put a nice arch in the middle
of a front sump pan ...


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:18:25 -0700
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump\Stu's Effie

Where did you get the magazine??? Issue # month, etc?

> ----------
> From: sam weatherby[SMTP:SWeatherby uswest.net]
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 1998 10:56 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fuel pump\Stu's Effie
>
> >I picked a magazine called "50 Years of the Ford F-Series" last night
> >and flipping through it, what do I find? That's right! Stu's '71 4x4
> >Effie. Congratulations Stu. They gave you a nice write-up. So how come
>
>
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 11:35:31 -0800
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dipstick location

William S Hart wrote:

> Don't suppose your truck is lifted ? How does the oil pan clear the front
> axle ? I would think a good sized bump would put a nice arch in the middle
> of a front sump pan ...

I have about a 2" body lift, but as near as I can tell, there is no suspension
lift. I suppose it is possible that the previous owner put taller springs in the
front, but I can't tell. It has about 3" blocks in the back, but I assumed that
all 4x4's had these blocks. I don't have any major dents in the pan, which is
surprising because I have driven this thing pretty rough off road. (Had the front
end off the ground a couple of times coming up over a hill or sand dune.)



- --
Matt Cozad
1994 Toyota 4Runner 4x4 "Yoda"
1970 F100 4x4 "Jabba the Truck"
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:05:25 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 390 Dipstick through Pan

>>I don't recall any FE 360 or 390 that has a dipstick going through the
>>oil pan. They all go through the block.
>>
>>Tim
>>'71 F100

All F-250 4x4's used a pan that has dipstick through it just as described by
original post. I am not sure of F-100 4x4 but I suspect it is the same. The
reason that the dip stick enters the pan like this is because the sump part of
the pan is in the rear of the engine near the flywheel. This allows the pan
to have extra clearance from the differential which sits below it. 4x2 pans
have the sump in the front and hence the front dipstick position.

--Thom B--
1967 F-250 4WD 390
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 12:48:39 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE oil pans and fuel pumps

My 76 F-250 4x4 came with a 360 FE and the dipstick goes into the pan
on the right side.I have installed 390 and a 428 car engines in it
since and both motors had the dipstick in the right front corner of the
block.(Right side when looking at front of engine).
I tapped the block hole (5/16"NC?)and plugged it with a socket head
bolt and used the trucks pan and dipstick.


On fuel pumps: the factory manual states that a pump should pump 1 pint
in 20 seconds and it should have between 5 to 7 P.S.I presure for the FE
351w 460 and 302. The 300 should be 4 to 6 PSI.
Both of these checks are easy to do using a clear plastic bottle and a
hand held vacum gauge that also reads PSI.
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:06:55 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ruptured diaphram

In a message dated 12/17/98 8:05:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, wish iastate.edu
writes:

>

Actually, its not a lack of lube, but rather they burn up do to the heat.
Electric fuel pumps use the gas to keep cool, stop the gas, and these things
get very hot very quick. I dont think there is any lube to speak of. I think
they use teflon bushings. This is the reason you are not supposed to let the
tank drop below 1/4 tank, cuz when they get low they start to suck air when
the terrain gets bouncy. My mom went through fuel pumps yearly till she
finally decided to try keeping the tank 1/4 full. Shes been on the same fuel
pump for 4 years now.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:13:32 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-250 Front End Lifts

In a message dated 12/17/98 9:38:22 AM Pacific Standard Time, BDIJXS aol.com
writes:


front
springs. Would a one inch set of blocks make that much difference? >>

YES YES YES! The prob with front lift blocks is that they receive much more
sideload than rear blocks. Causing them to spit out when cornering. Also the
same problem can happen when you see Joe Bob with stacked rear blocks.
Neither is a good idea. For those of you that are performance minded, you
also wanna stay way from any kind of blocks, because they increase the
leverage the axle has on the springs, resulting in increased axle twist.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:18:44 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dipstick location

In a message dated 12/17/98 10:22:03 AM Pacific Standard Time,
draygo pacifier.com writes:

>

That's just the namebrand of the manifold. My dad has one on his 429 in a 70
Torino convertible. Great flow for the time, works great with the Holley 650
it has. It used to run the Holley 750 DP that eventually made it on to Tweety
for a while, but it wouldn't idle all that great.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 17:48:29 -0500
From: Lord_Xaenon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electronic Ignition

At 09:20 AM 12/16/98 -0600, you wrote:
>> I sure do recommend the big cap and wires if you've got any kind of
>> electronic ignition. Even the stock duraspark ign has enough zoot to
>> When it's tune-up time, I always ask for cap and rotor for an '81 302,
>> and plug wires for a 400, and that gets me what I want. (-:
>>
>This fits on the small cap distributor ? Or do you have a different dist.
>in yours ?

For a couple of years Ford used an adaptor for a small-sized distributor that
accepted the large-diameter cap. Go to your friendly neighborhood parts house,
one that stocks Standard/Hygrade. They'll have it. Or you can go to your
Ford dealer, though you'll likely pay more. Standard makes pretty good stuff,
at least equal to OEM.

Mark



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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 16:16:35 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ruptured diaphram

>>
>
>Actually, its not a lack of lube, but rather they burn up do to the heat.
>Electric fuel pumps use the gas to keep cool, stop the gas, and these things
>get very hot very quick. I dont think there is any lube to speak of. I think
Doh, I'm sure that's it, I wasn't thinkin too well this morning ... thanks
for jumpin in ..


>tank drop below 1/4 tank, cuz when they get low they start to suck air when
>the terrain gets bouncy. My mom went through fuel pumps yearly till she

There's lots of us who run our 'stangs quite a bit lower than 1/4 tank,
specially when racin, no problems yet ... though as long as it doesn't run
dry for very long you should be alright ... 1/4 seems like quite a bit,
since that's almost ... 15/4*25=93 miles of gas ....

Thanks
Bill
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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:13:38 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-250 Front End Lifts

Since we have the subject of lift blocks on the table here.....

I too was thinking a small lift block shouldn't be a problem, until I
checked the rear blocks recently. I didn't have a problem with the old stiff
springs and block but with the newer F150 springs and the factory block it is a
much softer combination. I noticed a little wrap-up under acceleration, not
really a problem right? Not until there was enough cycles to loosen the u bolts
just a little. Now I have two rounded spring pads. Now this was the rear with
only front to back loading. If it was the front with front to rear and side to
side and the same thing had happend I might get a little worried. One of my
ideas for replaceing the front springs on my truck involved lowering the spring
mounts about 4" in front and 3" in the rear and useing a set of factory F250
springs, but thats another subject.

BTW does anyone have an extra set of 4" lift 3"wide F250 rear springs in good
shape :)\

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ICQ# 19575234

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 15:29:55 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana 70 vs Corporate 10.25"

Vogt Family wrote:

> I was out poking through the junkyards today looking for some heavy duty
> running gear and I found a couple Dana 70s on early '70s one tons. I
> also found some Corporate 10.25" (I think they're called Sterling?) It
> seemed like the 70s were older under pickups with narrower drums and the
> Sterlings were under E-350s and a bit newer with some wider drums. Any
> thoughts on these two? Spline counts?
>
> Birken

The 10.25 were used or are used still in trucks so finding a newer one
in good shape should be easy, I didn't say cheap, just easy. I think that
both are about the same as strength goes. I'm not really up on the new
trucks yet, sticker shock keeps me away, the new F250, 350, 450 with the
disk brakes might have the new Dana ( what was it the 100 or something).
You might be able to find a narrow frame F350 with a Dana 70 for a direct
bolt in or the wide frame with a 10.25. But we are only talking spring
pads here to make it fit.

$.015

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