61-79-list-digest Thursday, December 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 562



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - FE Fuel Pump, with ?'s
FTE 61-79 - Transmitsion Yoke
FTE 61-79 - FE Fuel Pump, with ?'s
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Fuel Pump, with ?'s
FTE 61-79 - welders
FTE 61-79 - Wrong oil pan on my FE?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Trucks and Religion
Re: FTE 61-79 - front diff swap
FTE 61-79 - oil pan drain plugs
FTE 61-79 - Thanks Everyone! (But I still have a problem...)
FTE 61-79 - fuel pumps
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wrong oil pan on my FE?
Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pan drain plugs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electronic Ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmitsion Yoke
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electronic Ignition
FTE 61-79 - Heater core circulation
FTE 61-79 - Re: Damage 2V
FTE 61-79 - 8 lug wheels
Re: FTE 61-79 - 8 lug wheels
FTE 61-79 - 1963 ford truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - Advice on welder type
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1963 ford truck
FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Products, classifieds, chat, t-shirts and more...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electronic Ignition
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1963 ford truck
FTE 61-79 - 79 F150 4x4 power steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F150 4x4 power steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wrong oil pan on my FE?
FTE 61-79 - Emission controls, '73-'76?
FTE 61-79 - 79 351M is doggy

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 05:33:35 -0600
From: "James Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Fuel Pump, with ?'s

Ah, interesting you should bring up fuel pumps and FE's.

I have been having a problem with my '69 360, with a Holley 4V, vacuum
secondaries, factory (not original) cast iron manifold.

I recently went a size smaller on jets, a stiffer spring in the secondary
vac.-thingie.

It runs fine for a while, idle, high road speed (like 30 min). Then falls
apart at idle when coming to a light. From that point, mess with mixture,
timing, etc. no combo seems to work. Someone pointed out to me something I
have suspected, that the fuel flow through a see thru filter in the line
right before the carb is very low, and seems to pulse very visibly. He
pointed out the fuel filter in the pump, which I did not know about. We
changed it, no real change. still low, with pulse.
The questions: 1. Is this low, pulsing flow normal? 2. If not, theorize;
When I rebuilt the steering box, the fuel line had at some point been
clamped between the box and frame, crushing about 6 inches of it. I spliced
in a new section of line. Could running for some timewith a crushed line
have restricted the feed to the pump to the point where it damaged it?

The guy who pointed out the pump filter was one where I was picking up a
bunch of FE stuff, so I now have 4 extra fuel pumps, but before I start
changing them, any recommendations on a bench check to verify their
operation, or probability thereof?

Jim E.



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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:47:00 -0500 (EST)
From: FORD-TRUCK-70 webtv.net (RANDY D)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Transmitsion Yoke

Hey guys & gals . Well i took my 77 F250 out for some 4 wheeling fun
this past weekend I thought it would be a good time to see what it
would do ( it was raining ) I wanted to get to this point that people
used to hang glide off of . Well let me tell you nothing as BIG as this
truck has been up there in YEARS ( 4wheelers only ) the road wasnt to
bad just a couple of LARGE mudholes . when i got to the top i could see
three citys ( BELLE, MARMET. AND CHARLESTON WV ) so anyway i tryed to go
on to the point but the road was leaning so bad i could not keep the
truck on it . so i found a little road turnd off of it . BIG MISTAKE
!!!!!! It was the old road that went out to the point it was growin up
with briars and small trees and was like a swamp . I told my son ( 7 )
we are going to find out how well the thing pulls in mudd . Well it
pulled great untill i stopped then it sank in to the axles .oohh BOY .
It took about 2 hours to get it out . Anyway when i got back to the
main road i had a bad vibration under the truck . Next day i was on my
way to pick up my wife from work and (BOOM)
driveshaft droped out . now the yoke on the end of the trans has a big
chunk busted out of it .. no one around here has a yoke to replace it .
Does anyone on this list have a spare i need one desperately The
truck has a 400m auto trans I hope someone can help Thanks for the
help
RANDY

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:11:47 -0600 (CST)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Fuel Pump, with ?'s

James Elliott [inkdezjim email.msn.com] wrote:

69 360, with a Holley 4V, vacuum
secondaries, factory (not original) cast iron manifold.

It runs fine for a while, idle, high road speed (like 30 min). Then falls
apart at idle when coming to a light. From that point, mess with mixture,
timing, etc. no combo seems to work

Sounds to me like the fast/slow idle adjustments are not set correctly.
But, I suppose if the bowl settings aren't correct, you could start with a
full bowl, then when it runs low, there is insufficient flow at idle to keep it
going??? Seems like low flow would cause more problems at higher
speeds than lower speeds as there would be too little fuel for the need.

You can test the fuel pump on the truck by disconnecting the fuel line at
the carb, cranking the engine, and noting how much fuel comes out.

I have been led to believe that you can gauge if your fuel pump is going
out by noting performance on a full tank vs empty tank. A full tank gives
you the added static pressure to aid a failing pump and should run
better than an empty tank which doesn't have the weight of the gas
helping.

Hope this meandering "flow" of thoughts helps...
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:24:11 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Fuel Pump, with ?'s

It sounds to me like a fuel pump problem. However, be sure to check
out any flexible hoses that may be collapsing internally. You might
also want to test the fuel pump pressure.

BTW, my Dad's '68 Ranger 360 since '68 has never had a fuel pump
failure; I have a '71 360 now for over a year and no pump failure and
I've owned 2 or 3 others with no such problem. I don't carry a spare,
either. But I don't offroad the vehicle either.

Tim
'71 F100


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:26:38 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - welders

Bryan,

I have a 220 electric welder that I have used many times on many things. I
can't remember the specifics on amperage etc. as I haven't needed it much
since I started driving Fords. I have never had a problem burning holes or
cutting when I wanted to. I have had problems burning holes when I didn't
want to. My rig is actually too powerful to do light duty stuff like
exhaust systems. I think that regardless of how careful you are, you aren't
going to find one set up that will do it all. A couple of my friends had
110 arc welders and they liked them real well. If you are going to be doing
a lot of fabrication, you might want to consider a gas rig and an electric
rig both. Everyone I have ever known that has a wire fed electric rig
swears by them. Welding is a lot of fun. You learn how to put out fires,
especially when it's you that's burning. Any clothes that you are wearing
will have holes in them. SWMBO will love that.

Good luck on your new adventure. I always admire someone who is willing to
learn on their own.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 06:35:30 -0800 (PST)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wrong oil pan on my FE?

I just finished pulling the motor on my '74 F-100. It's an FE, the
PO claimed 390, the VIN says 360. I haven't checked yet. The oil
dipstick tube is not in the same place as on the 390 in my F-250.

Now that I got a better look, the dipstick tube is centered between
the second and third cylinder on the left side of the motor and
instead of going into the block it goes in through a plate that is
riveted to the side of the oil pan.

In addition, what looks like the original dipstick tube near the oil
filter is cut off short with the end crimped shut. This is where
the tube is on the F-250. Which is correct? The oil pan has an
indentation in it to clear the top of the differential so it looks
like the right one.

The valve covers have deeply embossed "Power by Ford" which the
F-250 doesn't have. Did FE's come with these in '74?

Is there an easy way to tell the difference between a car FE and
a truck FE externally?

Mark
'74 F-100 4X4
'74 F-250 Supercab
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:53:40 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Trucks and Religion

>That sucks. I'm in the middle of a motor swap. Pulling the 360 from my
>'74 and dropping in a 390 from a '76. Throwing out the points, going
>Duraspark, etc. But, like you said, work keeps getting in the way.
>I've been in the middle of this swap for 3 weeks now. It really sucks
>working 12 hr graveyard shifts for 5 days straight, then have 1 night
>off, and do it all over again. But, when I do actually get some real
>time off, I'm gonna have lots of $$ to spend on toys!! WooHoo!
>

I'm a little more at the beginning of this exact thing, same years and
everything, so if you could pass on any helpful info, I would really
appreciate it!!!

Thanks
Bill
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:56:14 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - front diff swap

>///////// /|/|/|/| and the reverse Dana is cut \\\\ |\|\|\|\|\ with a
>pinion
>to match.
>
>Hope this helps
>
Yup, that explains it. I was thinkin it, but couldn't seem to quite get my
mind to get there consciously .... brain cramp I guess.

Thanks
Bill
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:56:54 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - oil pan drain plugs

There are a lot of vehicles out there with two drain plugs on the oil pans.
If you take your vehicle to the quickie oil change place, most of them
don't know this. Guess what? All of your oil isn't being replaced. Take a
few minutes and crawl under your 5.0. Do both drain plugs show the same
amount of wear? If one of them has all of the paint on it and the other has
obviously been in and out a lot, guess what.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:56:13 -0500
From: adam.hicks ppctx.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Thanks Everyone! (But I still have a problem...)


Thanks for the replies on my '77 heater core installation.

Let me start this right quick by saying that my Chiltons and Haynes
both state that if you happen to have a 1977 F150 with air
conditioning, which I do, the heater core installation is 'beyond the
ability of most home mechanics.'

The books have instructions for '76,'78,'79, etc...

Despite this, I decided to dive in and get started. I removed the
glove box (which crumbled in my hands - now what?) then the glove box
door, the air duct running to the far right vent and the housing
below. No problem. Now I see the air conditioner condensor core.
There's some screws around it which I remove in anticipation of moving
the core over enough to get to the heater core / blower motor. No go.
Can't get the thing to budge.

Is there a way to remove the entire black casing in the engine
compartment that houses all this stuff? It seems like there'd be an
easier way to replace the blower motor! Mine's rivited around the
edges. Can I remove the bolds on the firewall and pull that entire
cover off?

HELP!!!!! I know I'm in Texas, but it's starting to get cooooold!

Thanks!
Adam

77' F150 Custom 460/C6 - Now with new Mallory high perf coil...
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:06:05 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - fuel pumps

When a fuel pump starts to fail, it is supposed to spray gas all over the
place in the engine compartment. You smell gas, raise the hood, demonstrate
your knowledge of the English language, tow the truck home and replace the
fuel pump. Unless you are my mother and her friend. Then you stick bubble
gum over the hole and keep driving it. The fuel then goes into the
crankcase with the oil. I drained ten quarts of mix from the crankcase. I
still don't know how they kept from spinnig a bearing or blowing up.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:08:29 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wrong oil pan on my FE?

>I just finished pulling the motor on my '74 F-100. It's an FE, the
>PO claimed 390, the VIN says 360. I haven't checked yet. The oil
>dipstick tube is not in the same place as on the 390 in my F-250.
>
>Now that I got a better look, the dipstick tube is centered between
>the second and third cylinder on the left side of the motor and
>instead of going into the block it goes in through a plate that is
>riveted to the side of the oil pan.
>
>In addition, what looks like the original dipstick tube near the oil
>filter is cut off short with the end crimped shut. This is where
>the tube is on the F-250. Which is correct? The oil pan has an
>indentation in it to clear the top of the differential so it looks
>like the right one.
>
Is your 250 a 2wd and your 150 a 4wd ? I figure that's the difference, as
I just got done taking apart (hopefully I'll start putting it back together
soon) a 76 390, it had a front sump style of oil pan on it, while my 360
has the rear sump style. It wouldn't do a whole lot of good to check the
oil in the front of the pan with all the oil at the back, so I assume its
been moved to the middle on the 4x4 so that you can get an accurate reading
(as accurate as the stick is anyway) The engine was probably swapped
sometime if you have a monkey lookin oil filter bracket. Maybe someone
knows what they're supposed to look like, I'm pretty sure both of mine are
originally 2wd engines, and they're both going in 4wd vehicles.



>The valve covers have deeply embossed "Power by Ford" which the
>F-250 doesn't have. Did FE's come with these in '74?
>
Can't say as I've ever seen an engine that was built in the late 60s or 70s
that didn't have PowerByFord originally on it.


>Is there an easy way to tell the difference between a car FE and
>a truck FE externally?
>
You might check the heads, though they could have been changed, its likely
that if they are car heads its a car engine ... just my guess though.



Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:09:51 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - oil pan drain plugs

At 08:56 AM 12/16/98 , you wrote:
>There are a lot of vehicles out there with two drain plugs on the oil pans.
>If you take your vehicle to the quickie oil change place, most of them
>don't know this. Guess what? All of your oil isn't being replaced. Take a
>few minutes and crawl under your 5.0. Do both drain plugs show the same
>amount of wear? If one of them has all of the paint on it and the other has
>obviously been in and out a lot, guess what.
>
Some people have been known to have their cars start smoking after a while
because the oil isn't getting all drained out ... pretty scary I imagine if
you've got a newer engine and it starts smoking all of a sudden!


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:20:56 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electronic Ignition

> I sure do recommend the big cap and wires if you've got any kind of
> electronic ignition. Even the stock duraspark ign has enough zoot to
> When it's tune-up time, I always ask for cap and rotor for an '81 302,
> and plug wires for a 400, and that gets me what I want. (-:
>
This fits on the small cap distributor ? Or do you have a different dist.
in yours ?


> And all the wrecking yard FE d-spark distributors I've found are already
> pretty worn and sloppy...
> You can get a rebuilt d-spark FE distributor at the parts house for
> under $50, plus usually a $20-$25 core charge. If you can get a sloppy
> core at the wreckers for dirt cheap, then get it and use it for your core.
>
I was just talking about the wiring here, I've already got a small cap
duraspark from the 390 I bought, so I've already got the dist., just not
much wiring. Can I get the wiring from any engine duraspark system, or
does it need to be from an FE ?


> The d-spark is a good system, but the "box" is a little prone to failure.
> It's a good idea to carry a spare.
> The d-spark is also nice because it's easily "upgradable". The d-spark
> pick up coil will run most aftermarket "spark boxes" quite nicely.
> I use a d-spark distributor with big cap and run an MSD-6 with it.
> Works very well..
>
Does this use the factory plugs ? I want to be sure I can figure out how
this all goes together even if I don't have all the factory stuff. Does
that make sense? I don't want something that I have to modify all the
plugs to the point I don't know where any of it goes ...

>
>>2) get an aftermarket system that is supposed to "upgrade an existing
>>system" and run whatever wires I happen to be missing.
>
> Do you mean a system complete with new distributor?

No, just boxes like you're talking about, I dont' plan on doing enough to
justify a full custom system ... yet ... that EFI conversion is sounding
better and better ... not to mention easier ...

> Anything to get rid of points has got to be good. Me personally, I'd
> probably go with option #1 and hit up the wreckers for a full d-spark
> setup, and then maybe swap the distributor for a rebuilt one.
> Then later down the road you can swap the d-spark box for a multi-strike
> unit if you want to...
>
This is probably the route I'll end up going.

Thanks for all the input, I always welcome more input too...

Bill
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:27:01 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmitsion Yoke

Give them a call-

Sam Winer Motors, INC.
(330)628-4881
Akron, OH

Tony



>driveshaft droped out . now the yoke on the end of the trans has a big
>chunk busted out of it .. no one around here has a yoke to replace it .
>Does anyone on this list have a spare i need one desperately The
>truck has a 400m auto trans I hope someone can help Thanks for the
>help
>RANDY

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:48:30 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electronic Ignition

William S Hart wrote:

> I was just talking about the wiring here, I've already got a small cap
> duraspark from the 390 I bought, so I've already got the dist., just not
> much wiring. Can I get the wiring from any engine duraspark system, or
> does it need to be from an FE ?
>

You can take the wiring from just about anything with a Duraspark box. Grab as
much of the wire as you can. Start at the distributor and follow the wires up
and go from the spark box and follow the wires from there.

>
>
> Does this use the factory plugs ? I want to be sure I can figure out how
> this all goes together even if I don't have all the factory stuff. Does
> that make sense? I don't want something that I have to modify all the
> plugs to the point I don't know where any of it goes ...

Here is one site to look at for the plug wires.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ford-trucks.com/articles/largecap.html

And a site for the Duraspark box and wiring

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/duraspark.html

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:48:12 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Heater core circulation

John LaG. writes: >>I'm pretty sure the water pumpm delivers the coolant
to the heater core inlet on my truck.

Naw --- The waterpump is trying to force water through the engine and the
flow is regulated by the opening of the t'stat. The pressure is at this
point. The heater usually has a connection near the t'stat housing and
this is the pressure side. The water pump is the suction side. Take one
of your hoses off at the firewall while the engine is running, or better
yet take a clear hose and temporarily (?) connect it from the outlet at the
t'stat housing to the connection for the heater on the waterpump and watch
the flow.

Happy Holidays to Everyone.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:09:16 -0800
From: "Matt Tobin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Damage 2V

>I tested the fuel pump; it was definitely bad. As for the points, sorry, I
>am using a Mallory Unilite distributor. I pulled the cap and rotor; will
>replace as they are worn. I replaced the plugs about 150 miles ago
>(Autolite platinum); I pulled and rechecked gap; all appear ok.

How does the spark look? A weak thready spark will often idle OK, but as
soon as you start accelerating will spit and backfire, losing power. I'd
check the +voltage at the coil, and maybe try a jumper wire from the battery
to +coil at least to test it. Did you say the coil was new? If not you
might replace it with one meant to run at 12Volts. The ballast wire (or
ballast resistor) steps down the voltage to 8volt range except when starting
the vehicle, as the ballast is bypassed. Lots of electronic ignition
systems are best run with a 12 volt coil and no ballast resistance. Let us
know what you find out.
Matt '70 E-300

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:03:00 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 8 lug wheels

Ox writes: >>I have a box trailer made from a 2WD chevy coil sprung
3/4 or 1 ton Ch*bbie that has 8 lug diff. Wheels from that will not fit
my F-250 or Bronc (w/8 lug rears). The centers from the Ch*bbie are too
small.

Couldn't these be chucked in some sort of lathe, and the center hole be
opened up to the correct size????? Doesn't FOMOCO have a locating pin
that keeps the dual wheels from being installed with the valve stems in the
wrong place??? I seem to remember that GM did not use these????

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:25:56 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 8 lug wheels

am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:
>
> Ox writes: >>I have a box trailer made from a 2WD chevy coil sprung
> 3/4 or 1 ton Ch*bbie that has 8 lug diff. Wheels from that will not fit
> my F-250 or Bronc (w/8 lug rears). The centers from the Ch*bbie are too
> small.
>
> Couldn't these be chucked in some sort of lathe, and the center hole be
> opened up to the correct size?????

Maybe, but most steel wheels I have seen have a lip, bent 90 degrees
around the outer edge of inner hole. May weaken that part of rim and may
weaken whole area around lug holes.

OX
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:15:27 EST
From: Thc1hit aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1963 ford truck

I have a 1963 ford 1 ton w/ dump. I was told that it was an F-3......can
anyone confirm this ?
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 14:32:31 -0500
From: "Barry Price"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Advice on welder type

I have a 110 volt wire welder that I have used on my 65 numerouse times. It
is inexpensive to operate and if you do run into a need to weld thicker
materials, you can do that too by properly beveling the area to be welded
and running multiple passes.

I think you'll find the wire welder is much more flexible than the arc
welder.

As far as cutting metal, I use a reciprocating saw to do most of my cutting.

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From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com;
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 9:02 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Advice on welder type


>I'm thinking I can finally get a welding setup for working on my truck. I
>was leaning toward an oxy-acetylene type since it can weld and cut, but
>electric arc seems much more common and a bit less expensive. What
>do you welders out there use mostly for truck related jobs. I would
>imagine oxy-A types are harder (impossible?) to do vertical welds but
>what do you use to cut the steel with if you have an arc? Many of the
>cheaper arcs only do steel up to 3/16" and that seems pathetically small.
>I would think that at minimum of 1/4" would be needed for most truck
>jobs.
>
>In case it isn't obvious I have NO welding experience. Of course, I didn't
>have any experience replacing piston rings until I did it....
>Bryan Kirking
>66 Step Side
>352 4 speed
>Houston, Texas
>
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:47:38 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1963 ford truck

At 01:15 PM 12/16/98 , you wrote:
>I have a 1963 ford 1 ton w/ dump. I was told that it was an F-3......can
>anyone confirm this ?

Seems like 1 tons were called F-3, since they followed the 1/2 Ton (F-1)
and 3/4 Ton (F-2)

But that's just my goofy logic, its probably wrong in some respect.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 13:19:33 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fuel Pump

ne thought crosses my mind.

"I had a diaphram (sp) burst in a fuel pump and with each pump a stream
of

fuel shot up on the engine. Wonder if it would ever burst at another
place

and direct the stream into the engine? Would the elec. fuel pump bypass
this

situation?"


Never thought of that scenario,I'll have to carry something to hook
the inlet and outlet lines off the stock fuel together to bypass it.
Thanks
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:14:26 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Products, classifieds, chat, t-shirts and more...

Hello fellow FTEs...

I'm pleased to make a few announcements. Our products center
on the web site now accepts Visa and Mastercard with secure
and encrypted ordering. Amex will be accepted within a week.

Due to this and the fact that we've recently taken on more
web advertisers, we're increasing the scope of our free
services to the list members and web site visitors.

Classifieds
- -----------
One of the items that list members have consistantly asked for
is a new classifieds section. Yesterday we purchased a top of
the line classifieds manager. This product has tons of
features, including:
1. Auto ad expiration after 30, 45 or 60 days
2. Email notification that your ad is due to expire 7
days before it expires
3. Easy ad renewal
4. Advanced searching
5. Hide your email address! Ads have a reply feature
which hides your address yet still lets people
respond. (Goodbye spammers!)
6. Multiple ad sections.
7. Edit or delete your ad at a later date
8. Anti-ad spammer feature. Will **not** accept duplicate
submission.
9. Taboo word filtering.
10. Auto limit on number of words entered for ad
11. Auto rejection from known abusers

I have a huge list of featues, but this gives you an idea of
its features. This new classifieds script should come on-line
within a week. The old system will be maintained for 30 days
after the launch of the new system.

Chat
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As soon as sales picks up on the web site, we're purchasing
a new chat engine. We're evaluating two packages right now.

T-shirts
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Some of you may remember the t-shirt contest we had 3 months
ago. Since the vote had some cheating I discontinued it.
4 weeks ago I gave an outline to my brother-in-law who is
an artist and he was supposed to give me t-shirt artwork
within 2 weeks. Well, I once again learned that you shouldn't
do business with family. I'm taking the artwork to an artist
next week who will have it back in 1-2 days. If you entered
a design in our contest, we really appreciate it and we are
going to prove it by giving a prize pack to ***all*** the
people who entered a design. Full details on this when the
t-shirts are ready.

Club
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FTE is going to start a Ford truck club. After the first of
the year I'm presenting a plan to our core group and we
should be able to hammer out the details and hopefully have a
club by mid-January. If you've been looking for a way to have
some "hands on" involvement, a club will be just the ticket.

Adm

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:38:52 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electronic Ignition

At 09:20 AM 12/16/98 -0600, you wrote:
>> I sure do recommend the big cap and wires if you've got any kind of
>> electronic ignition. Even the stock duraspark ign has enough zoot to
>> When it's tune-up time, I always ask for cap and rotor for an '81 302,
>> and plug wires for a 400, and that gets me what I want. (-:
>>
>This fits on the small cap distributor ? Or do you have a different dist.
>in yours ?

Yep. It just fits right on to your origional distributor.
You'll need the cap adapter which snaps on to the distributor
body, the big cap, rotor, and new plug wires. Your old plug wires
won't work, because the big cap has male terminals on it and the small
cap has female ones.

>I was just talking about the wiring here, I've already got a small cap
>duraspark from the 390 I bought, so I've already got the dist., just not
>much wiring. Can I get the wiring from any engine duraspark system, or
>does it need to be from an FE ?

You can get it from most any duraspark donor vehicle.
Motor type doesn't matter. (except of course for the distributor itself.)
Mine came from an '82 Econoline van with a 302.
There are some differences in the d-spark stuff thru the years, and not
all systems use exactly the same wiring. Some of the connector plugs
are different than others...

The easiest to deal with system, and the one that seems to be most common
uses a spark box with a *Blue* seal where all the wires go in to the box.
It will have two plugs on it, One with four wires on a four pin plug, and
the othe with 2 wires on a 2 pin plug.
That's the one to get. Look for that blue seal...


>> The d-spark is a good system, but the "box" is a little prone to failure.
>> It's a good idea to carry a spare.
>> The d-spark is also nice because it's easily "upgradable". The d-spark
>> pick up coil will run most aftermarket "spark boxes" quite nicely.
>> I use a d-spark distributor with big cap and run an MSD-6 with it.
>> Works very well..

>Does this use the factory plugs ? I want to be sure I can figure out how
>this all goes together even if I don't have all the factory stuff. Does
>that make sense? I don't want something that I have to modify all the
>plugs to the point I don't know where any of it goes ...

You can grab an extra set of plugs off of a d-spark module and connect
them to the your aftermarket box so that it pretty much just plugs
right in to the stock duraspark harness
It's all pretty simple stuff, there's not many places to get lost and
several people on this list have done it. I think there's even some stuf
on the FTE website that covers it pretty well.

>> Do you mean a system complete with new distributor?
>
>No, just boxes like you're talking about, I dont' plan on doing enough to
>justify a full custom system ... yet

It's easy to start with the d-spark and upgrade the spark box later.
That's how I did mine.

> ... that EFI conversion is sounding
>better and better ... not to mention easier ...

Easier? Than installing electronic ign? Hmmm...
It takes a lot of hours and a lot of wiring to do EFI conversion.
I've thought about putting EFI on my FE, mostly as an educational
exorcise, but It runs so well now with a good ign system and a
properly tuned edelbrock carb that i can't imagine that EFI would
give much benefit. And it's so much more expensive to fix (and likely
to leave you walking) when something does break down.


Steve
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Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to
recognize a mistake when you make it again.
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:41:20 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1963 ford truck

Thc1hit aol.com wrote:

> I have a 1963 ford 1 ton w/ dump. I was told that it was an F-3......can
> anyone confirm this ?

Please post the vin and we can confirm this.

laters

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duckdon pacific.net
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ICQ# 19575234

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 17:06:43 -0700
From: "B.T.A.K"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 F150 4x4 power steering

I just bought another Ford truck(now have three 73-79's) There is something
wrong with the steering, it is very ackward to turn. It does not turn
smoothly, it alternates between easy and hard to turn(need both hands) for
every 20 degrees of turn that is put on the steering wheel. It feel like
something is bent and is binding, but nothing appears to be bent either from
the column to the steering box, or underneath the vehicle. Also when turning
the steering wheel and it gets to one of points where it is hard to turn the
power steering pump sound like it is working hard. Does any body know what
is wrong? Is it the pump or the box or .... ? Any info would be
appreciated. Thanks in advance.


79 F150 4x4 400 c6 np205
79 F150 351m c6
78 F250 s/c 351m c6

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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 21:59:01 EST
From: OldTrux aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 79 F150 4x4 power steering

Front axle U-joint? Jack up the front, lock the hubs. Try rotating the wheels
(one at a time) while someone turns the steering wheel. You should be able to
tell if the U-joint is binding up.
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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 20:06:24 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wrong oil pan on my FE?

I don't recall any FE 360 or 390 that has a dipstick going through the
oil pan. They all go through the block.

Tim
'71 F100


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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 23:59:44 -0600
From: Ed Mulligan
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Emission controls, '73-'76?

I know that the F150 was created in '75 to avoid cat. converters. '73-'74
trucks had minimal emissions equipment. That's about all I know,
unfortunately. (I'm shopping for a truck of this vintage right now - 2WD,
390 or 460 with a C6 is the goal.) What emissions equipment did the trucks
have, and when did the cats become standard on all the models?

I'm wondering if a '75 or '76 F-150 or F-250 would make a good project
truck. Otherwise, I'll keep looking for a '73-'74. I'm looking for
something that I can play with and not need to keep a single exhaust, etc.

Thanks for any info, and any other new truck buyer hints.

Ed



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Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:49:44 -0700
From: BJ Tiemessen
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 79 351M is doggy

I have a 79 F-250 that I just rebuilt a 77 351M for and it is DOGGY! I....


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