61-79-list-digest Tuesday, December 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 560



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - overdrive alternatives
FTE 61-79 - TRANNY CONVERSION PARTS - FREE TO GOOD HOME
FTE 61-79 - 1971 F-250 and POWER STEERING
Re: FTE 61-79 - 1970 F-250 4x4 460 swap
FTE 61-79 - RE: Big Block Family
FTE 61-79 - FE crank numbers
FTE 61-79 - FORD vs cheby
FTE 61-79 - 68 F100 w/360 & slow top-end
FTE 61-79 - RE: Big Block Family
FTE 61-79 - front diff swap
FTE 61-79 - FE Fuel Pump
FTE 61-79 - RE: valve cover for 6 cyl
FTE 61-79 - 400M
FTE 61-79 - Re: Damage 2V
FTE 61-79 - Re: '68 Rev Monster
Re: FTE 61-79 - Big Block Family
Re: FTE 61-79 - FORD vs cheby
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: 460 truck oil pan
Re: FTE 61-79 - front diff swap
FTE 61-79 - Re: hard shifting C6
Re: FTE 61-79 - One sick 429 in a F350
FTE 61-79 - 78 E350 Pathfinder 4x4

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:04:42 -0600
From: "Michael R. Masse"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - overdrive alternatives

A mechanic friend was telling me the other day that some older
ambulances used 2 speed dana 60's. He didn't know who manufactured
them. Personally I think he's full of it, but it would be a pretty cool
solution. Has anyone heard of a 2 speed Dana 60? Does anyone know
where to look to find out if such a thing ever existed?

- -Mike
78 Bronco Custom
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:29:42 -0500
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - TRANNY CONVERSION PARTS - FREE TO GOOD HOME

Second Notice ** * *
If anyone is interested in converting an automatic tranny hooked up to a
6cyl or small block V8, to a 4-spd T-18, I have ALL the parts necessary to
do the conversion, except the T-18.
The parts are all in good working condition, including the pressure plate
and disc if you want those........and they are all being offered for free.
I can arrange shipping if needed.

Anyone interested ? ? ? ?? ? ?

Jerry
1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW AC
1970 F100 (ret)

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:56:56 -0500
From: "Humanhunter (Blake Barr)"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1971 F-250 and POWER STEERING

Hi, I just bought a 1971 F-250 Sport custom. It has 33" Mud King AT's
and I want the add 39" Super Swamper Boggers or 35-39" Ground Hawgs. The
only problem with this is the lack of power steering offroad. I heard that
the Ford designed power sttering addon wasn't reliable. Is there anyone out
there who makes custom PS addons. I am also adding power brakes but I guess
the Ford design is reliable.
I also wanted to know what's the difference between a body and
suspension lift as far as how you would be it because I noticed a 3" body
lift is like 75-85 bucks and I could even find a suspension lift for
anything pre-80's to compare too.


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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:58:54 -0500
From: "Humanhunter (Blake Barr)"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 1970 F-250 4x4 460 swap

Did you find any info on this? I wanted to make the same 360/460 or a
360/390 swap in my 1971 F-250.. Also have you seen anything for power
steering?

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From: Pete and Shell
To:
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 1:46 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1970 F-250 4x4 460 swap


>does anyone know where or how to get the proper motor mounts and/or frame
>perches to swap from a 360 to a 460? Any info would be greatly
>appreciated,thanks
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:49:50 -0700
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Big Block Family

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 07:03:23 PST
From: "b hp"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Big Block Family

>What V8 bigblock engines were used in Ford trucks and cars during
>1964-65?

>This would be general applications. Do these engines fall under the FE
>category? This question started because my friend has a bigblock motor,
>no visible tags..from a 64 or 65 sedan. I'll try to get the
>model..Galaxie or Custom? I am looking at this page
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines and find these engines listed under
>bigblocks "385" Big Block Family 429, 429 Cobra Jet, 460, Boss 429, 370
>truck. I realised I know very little about these motors..Perhaps it is
>time to compile an engine list..yeah project #...


>Bruce
>65 Mercury F-100 (M-100??) 2WD P/U 240 |6

Hey Bruce. If it's an original motor from a '64 or '65 it's more than
likely an FE. Technically I guess the FE is a bigblock because it uses
older, thick wall casting design. Look at the intake manifold and see if
the valve covers overlap it. Also, if you pop a valve cover and the
pushrods are routed through the intake, it's an FE. The FE firing order is
15426378.

The 385 series is a different motor altogether, and this wasn't offered in
'64 or '65, I'm pretty sure.

Hey guys, when did they start making 429's anyway??

Hope this helps,

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net

*****Drive it like you hate it.

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:05:28 -0700
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE crank numbers

Bill,

They have to be on a non-machined surface somewhere. Look at every inch of
these surfaces. I remember seeing them before on the 2nd or 3rd
counterweight back I think. Sorry, it's been awhile.

I guess it's possible that yours made it out of the factory without one.

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net

*****Drive it like you hate it.

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:06:59 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FORD vs cheby

Tim said;
>Now, my request. Can we skip the "Ford Vs. Chevy" debate? It's never
>going to end, and it's never going to do any good.

Tim,
Chevy bashing is like a sport.......don't take it too seriously.

later,
dale c

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:28:51 -0800
From: "O'Connor"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 68 F100 w/360 & slow top-end

Nabo wrote:
I have a '68 F-100 with a 360 c.i. engine and a three-speed manual
transmission on the column. The truck seems to be geared very low; when
I get on the interstate, the engine is hollerin' at 70 mph. Is there
anything I can do to get some more top-end speed out of it?
My response:
The obvious improvemensts are larger tires or a change in rear end gear
ratio. There is another option! As far as I know, ford offered an
overdrive option from 1964 thru 1972 that would bolt right on a 352/360 V8.
It would take you from 1:1 to .7:1 and knock down the RPM's considerably.
The overdrive won't fit on the standard transmission. You would have to
buy the transmission and overdrive as a unit. There are not a lot around:
but Ford put them in truck, vans and cars for years.

Try: Fatsco 1-800-524-0485 ask for Mike or
Blumenthal's 405-232-9557

Good Luck
Tim
352 1966 F100

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:30:14 -0700
From: Randy Collins
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Big Block Family


Hey guys, when did they start making 429's anyway??

1968!

Later,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
460 SUPER COBRA JET



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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:45:55 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - front diff swap

Hey Mike in Arizona,

You are right, I have the same exact setup as you do on my highboy. The entire
frames were changes also at the 77-1/2 time, I think getting wider, they also
went to the 3" rear leaf springs while we have 2-1/4". The front is totally
different to accept the newer integral steering boxes. We might be stuck with
saddle tanks....hope you find something out on this so you can let me know!
The tanks from the newer trucks sounds promising....

Bill, I'll let Big Don explain the reverse rotation stuff (which he has
patiently explained to me privately some time ago) but basically, the diff
stiff spins the same way, but the power is applied to the ring gear teeth
differently....the reason for my comment on whether or not the reverse
rotation axles would work under the standard rig, is that the position of the
drive shaft would be shifted up...possibly hitting things like exhaust
pipes....

Hope this helps.

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:46:10 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Fuel Pump

Hi Ray,

Count yourself lucky on getting home....last time mine went out was on the
Interstate in the middle of Nevada....the lesson here is if you have an FE,
ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS carry a spare fuel pump with you....there are a bunch of
people here that will verify this...

Your carb is probably OK, does it seem to run all right? Possible you could
have blown out a power valve, but if it seems to be working under hard
acceleration, its probably fine....

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:26:44 -0700
From: "bertolin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: valve cover for 6 cyl

> I'm restoring my 65 F-100 and whenever I'm in the boneyard and see
> straight six Fords the valve covers always have "Powered by Ford" embossed
> on them. These aren't necessarily mid 60's engines, but mine does not say
> that. I don't think my engine is the original.....Anybody know
> what was the firstyear of that embossing and what was or wasn't on the
'65?

The 240 in-line 6 in my 1965 does not have "Power by Ford" embossed on the
valve cover or any other writing that I can find. As far as I know, this is
the original engine and it's still going strong. Good luck on your
restoration. It was a 1965 effie day...I saw 2 during my 10 mile commute
home + a 1956 effie.

Roberta with 1965 Custom Cab


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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 20:52:21 -0600
From: "ben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400M

>The only way to identify a 1971 400
>is the original factory flat top pistons, and you'd have to pull the heads
>to do that.

They sure look flat. No numbers in the middle. Also the engine is
completely disassembled

>A combination of abuse (e.g., inadequate oiling) and worn out components
>re-used could account for it

he did install a new cam, And what about over tightening the rocker bolts?
The fulcrums he put in almost looked aluminum.

>Unless it is an unbored original block w/ the original factory pistons, it
>is worth fixing no more than any other Ford engine

If there wasn't any numbers in the middle if the pistons would that be a
good clue or not?

>Unless you can find a manufacturer's marking or tooling number, the only
>way I know is to "degree" the cam to measure the valve events and measure
>the valve lift.

There are numbers on it. But I know nothing of lift and duration.

>To me, an engine w/ bent push rods and worn out rocker arms is not in
>"extremely good shape."

I was referring to the cam.

>At any rate, I would be suspicious
>of any claim that an engine in this kind of shape was "just rebuilt."

There are some very convincing clues, new freeze plugs, cam, fulcrums(?),
everything was degreased, and other stuff I can't remember. A couple more
things, the previous owner was not to bright. Trust me I know. I have spent
the last year fixing his goofs. And I guess he might have thought the
engine to be a 351M instead of the 400M I found it to be. Because thats is
what he told me it was when I bought the truck. I firmly believe this to be
a 400M because I have rechecked all the casting codes/dates over and over
again.



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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 22:14:47 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Damage 2V

Ray,
It is doubtful that your carburetor was damaged by the backfire from the
exhaust. I hate to bring this up but your fuel pump may have been OK. From
your description your ignition system may be at fault. Black smoke from the
exhaust during a large backfire usually means fuel accumulated in the exhaust
system then suddenly blew. I suspect during the time you were losing power
and lugging several cylinders were not firing thus loading up the exhaust with
fuel. You have points unless you have upgraded, this would be the first place
I would look. A brand new set of properly adjusted points works wonders.
Check plugs next.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4X4 460
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:26:50 PST
From: "Brandon Neighbors"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: '68 Rev Monster

Did some of the '68 F-100s come with a 4-speed tranny, or were they all
3-speeds? I would love to switch to a 4-speed on the floor, but I don't
know if that would involve heavy "modifications". Also, with the stick
being on the steering column, will that only complicate things further?
I've heard that it is not too difficult to swap the linkage. I'm not
real familiar with the transmissions on the older trucks. I have
considered switching rear ends, but I'm not sure if I want to go as high
as a 3.25. I may try to find something in between that and a 3.70.
Thanks for the earlier tips.

Nabo

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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:28:11 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Big Block Family

I don't believe that 428 was available in 65; I know it wasn't in '64. '64
had the 352 and 390 (various iterations) and 427. For more details check
out the Galaxie Club website at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.galaxieclub.com/.

Jerald Merrick wrote:

> I think that in 64, and 65 that Ford was still using the 352, 390, and
> the 428 for their bigger cars like the Galaxie, and LTD. These are
> FE's.
> J. A. Merrick
> Wyoming
> Mr. Ranger



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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:30:21 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FORD vs cheby

For what's it's worth, I used a '71 Ford pu hubcap as a collection
plate at our local car club's Christmas party last weekend, and did I
incur the shots from the Cheby owners. I held my own though.

Tim
'71 F100


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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:34:21 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: 460 truck oil pan

I'm in Seattle and I'd weld in the second drain plug for a 6 pack of
pop (how's that for a reverse auction).

Tim Bowman


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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:44:18 -0700
From: "Michael Connor"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - front diff swap

Jeff and the group,

>Hey Mike in Arizona,


>The front is totally different to accept the newer integral steering boxes.

Just an FYI; I've converted my HiBoy over to the later model integral P/S
and what a difference! The ram assist system was definitely NOT one of
Ford's better ideas. While it was a modest improvement over manual
steering it could not by my definition be called power steering at all. I
was
forever replacing leaky P/S lines (I believe there were 6 in all?) and in
the winter time the truck was nearly unusable because it just plain
wouldn't steer in cold weather. By the way, there's a guy in Iowa who sells
a conversion kit; I have his info somewhere if anyone is interested.

>The tanks from the newer trucks sounds promising....


Yes, I'm gonna follow up on that tip; I'll let you guys know what I find
out...


Cheers,

Uncle Mike
Phoenix, AZ.





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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:35:28 EST
From: YELLERTIM aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: hard shifting C6

The transmission pan has the shape of an L and the truck is a 68 and is all
original plus it keeps on switching back and fourth from 3 down to 2 while
driving and it takes a long time for it to shift into 3. If any of you guys
or gals can help it would be very apersatianted.
Thank you,
Tim
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Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:23:50 EST
From: A64F100 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - One sick 429 in a F350

In a message dated 12/14/98 10:43:14 AM Eastern Standard Time,
us5zahns earthlink.net writes:

>

My 460 was doing that and we thought it was a distributor problem. We bought a
new distributor, and it seemed to solve the problem, but then the gears kept
getting sheared off of the distributor. Sure enough, inspection showed the
thrust plate was loose and the cam was jumblin back and forth. I think,
however, you should check the distributor bushings and gear for play. That
could be the cause of the problem

Later,
Scott L

*Keep it Ford Blue*
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