61-79-list-digest Monday, December 14 1998 Volume 02 : Number 558



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Kids' Playhouse
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Steering colunm interchange
Re: FTE 61-79 - valve cover for 6 cyl
FTE 61-79 - Re:Chevy vs Fords
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Chevy vs Fords
FTE 61-79 - Re: Kids' Playhouse
FTE 61-79 - full floating pins
FTE 61-79 - RE: Steering colunm interchange
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Chevy vs Fords
FTE 61-79 - "Power by Ford" Valve Cover
FTE 61-79 - FORD vs cheby
[none]
FTE 61-79 - choke woes
FTE 61-79 - front diff swap
FTE 61-79 - Wheels/Ford vs. c#$%*
FTE 61-79 - 400M
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Steering colunm interchange
FTE 61-79 - Steering colunm interchange
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering colunm interchange
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering column interchange
Re: FTE 61-79 - choke woes
FTE 61-79 - Exhaust manifold repair
FTE 61-79 - Re:
Re: FTE 61-79 - front diff swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - front diff swap
Re: FTE 61-79 - Greetings:71 F100 302
Re: FTE 61-79 - brands
Re: FTE 61-79 - chevys vs Fords
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Chevy vs Fords
Re: FTE 61-79 - front diff swap
FTE 61-79 - FTE Perf - Holley ID ????
Re: FTE 61-79 - question regarding tranny change
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Steering colunm interchange
FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE Perf - Holley ID ????
Re: FTE 61-79 - FORD vs cheby
Re: FTE 61-79 - question regarding tranny change
FTE 61-79 - Re: hard shifting C6
Re: FTE 61-79 - FORD vs cheby
Re: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust manifold repair
FTE 61-79 - Shiny Wheels

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 03:06:25 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Kids' Playhouse

>So, let me get this straight. You use your kids playhouse to
>truck around turkey manure? What do the kids think about this?

Don't get me joking about this Marv! I had to bite down hard not to
respond to it. Everything I came up with would get me booted off the
list. :) They have been funny and that's no ! ;]


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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 04:23:47 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Steering colunm interchange

From: Randy Collins
>The columns will bolt in just fine but I think you will find that the
>output shafts are different. Doesn't' the 2 WD have a rag joint and
the
>4WD have the universal joint setup. Look over the output sections of
the
>shafts and you will see what I mean.
>
>It is pretty simple to change the output shafts but the shaft from a
tilt
>column won't interchange with the standard column.

If it's true that the shaft couplers are different, can either be
used in place of ? My '73 F100 uses a rag joint coupler that can be
removed from the shafts. Can the universal joint coupler also be
completely removed from the shafts? Are the shafts the same or are they
different depending on the type coupler used? If couplers can
interchange, which would be better. It would be my guess that the
universal joint setup was used on the 4X's because the rag joint
couldn't take the abuse of off-road. The rag joint is probably cheaper
so it's used on street trucks.
If the universal joint setup isn't interchangeable, can the input
shaft be changed in the gear box? Sorry. Just got me thinking. I don't
know anything because I don't have my manuals. :,(,, (sniff sniff) Oh
the pain of it all. I can't live like this for 5 months! I need my
garage! I need my tools! I need my life back! I can't watch any more TV!
I need tunes! Why don't motels trash these boob tubes and wire these
rooms for sound! Sorry. I'm better now. Steve. Can I come live with you
until the house is finished? PLEASE! Sorry. I'm better now.""";;;]"""


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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 06:28:08 -0600
From: "myshop"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - valve cover for 6 cyl

>Anybody know what was the first year of that embossing and what >was or
wasn't on the '65?

To find out what your original engine was, look at the 'Truck Rating Plate'
that's riveted to the rear face of the left front door and another one
should also be mounted on the glove compartment inner panel inside the glove
compartment door.

Look at the warranty number, the forth alphanumeric character represents the
engine code. Here are the engine codes from the 1965 F100 manual:

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Ford 1965 F100 Engine Codes
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A: 6 Cyl. 330 CID (2V-MD)
B: 6 Cyl. 300 CID (1V)
D: 8 Cyl. 352 CID (4V)
E: 6 Cyl. 330 CID Diesel (DGHM)
F: 6 Cyl. 1673 Caterpillar Diesel
G: 8 Cyl. 401 CID (2V)
H: 8 Cyl. 477 CID (2V)
I: 6 Cyl. CF 180 Diesel
J: 6 Cyl. 240 CID (1V)
K: 8 Cyl. 361 CID (2V)
M: 8 Cyl. 330 CID (2V-HD)
N: 6 Cyl. C 180 Diesel
O: 6 Cyl. 855 CID Cummins (NH-250)
P: 8 Cyl. 401 CID (4V)
Q: 8 Cyl. 477 CID (4V)
R: 8 Cyl. 534 CID (4V)
S: 6 Cyl. 200 CID (1V)
T: 6 Cyl. 171 CID (1V)
V: 6 Cyl. 672 CID Cummins (NH-180)
X: 6 Cyl. 743 CID Cummins (NH-220)
Y: 6 Cyl. 743 CID Cummins (NH-180)
Z: 6 Cyl. 743 CID Cummins (NH-195)
2: 6 Cyl. C 160 Diesel
3: 8 Cyl. 784 CID Cummins (V8-265)
4: 4 Cyl. 220 CID Diesel (DGHM)
6: 6 Cyl. 588 CID Cummins (V6E-195)
7: 8 Cyl. 785 CID Cummins (V8E-235)
8: 6 Cyl. 855 CID Cummins (NHE-225)
9: 8 Cyl. 391 CID (4V)
K: 6 Cyl. 300 CID (1V)*
S: 8 Cyl. 361 CID (2V)*
W: 8 Cyl. 330 CID (2V-MD)*
1: 6 Cyl: 240 CID (1V)*
2: 6 Cyl. 200 CID (1V)*
3: 6 Cyl. 170 CID (1V)*
5: 8 Cyl. 330 CID (2V-HD)

* Low Compression

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 08:35:01 -0500
From: bymybrick juno.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Chevy vs Fords

I am not throwing off on Fords. My '73 F-250 is one tough cookie! I am
just saying that it needs more attention than my other truck. I like it
because i Can work on it! That's what I like about older vehicles-I don't
have to have computer diagnostics to tell me what is wrong. My first car
was a '48 chevy-another tough one. My next was a '56 Ford that was my
first dating car! I wish i still had it! I could give a lot of '57's all
they wanted.( Does this give my age away?). The fastest car I had was a
66 Chevy II SS with a 327-350 HP and a 4-speed. My wife drives a 93
Escort station wagon that she dearly loves. I said all that to say
this. I think everyone is partial to one particular brand of vehicle to
another. I equate the debate of Fords and Chevy's to the debate between
Democrats and Republicans- there isn't a dimes worth of difference
beyween them! I love both brands to death and either one beats the
stuffing out of walking.!
My .02 worth(adjusted for inflation).
John
Brick by JB

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 06:51:31 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Chevy vs Fords

From: John
>I am not throwing off on Fords. My '73 F-250 is one tough cookie! I
am
>just saying that it needs more attention than my other truck. I like
it
>because i Can work on it!

If you drive them both the same, then it's a point not worth
arguing. Anything made in '47 would commonly be kept garaged and only
driven on weekends around town. If that is the case with your '47 then
it's dependability shouldn't be compared with a work truck. Also if a
person makes this comparison on a Ford list, they should be prepared for
some retaliation for their transgression. :)

>I think everyone is partial to one particular brand of vehicle to
>another. I equate the debate of Fords and Chevy's to the debate
between
>Democrats and Republicans- there isn't a dimes worth of difference
>between them!

I have had a few Chevy's, I'll not miss any of them. I have had
trouble with every GM that I've owned. The only other brand vehicle that
has given me trouble equal to the GM's is Toyota. My '62 MB was by far
the coolest, '70 Bronco was the most fun and my '76 Dodge van,,, I'll
skip my favorite thing about it and just say it got me around for years
without a problem and was one of the best looking vehicles I've owned.
;]
I'll agree there isn't a dimes worth of difference between Democrats
and Republicans. Also there are people that have only popularity
opinions on both sides of the Ford Vs Chevy debate. There is a
difference between Fords and Chevy's though. You know what made the '57
Chevy a classic? Some of them still ran in the '60's. :] Why do so many
people drop 350's in Fords? Aftermarket parts! They can build their 350
from parts not made by Chevy but then they need to put it into something
that won't fall apart. :]

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 07:43:59 -0700
From: "Jeff Carver"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Kids' Playhouse

What they don't realise, can't hurt 'em. . . .
Oh yeah, I'm the dad, It's my job . . . hmm

Since these were post election Vote-for-Me
signs, they were nicely painted on one side,
which I placed to the inside.

Not only to hide them's I didn't vote for, but
a hose cleans up painted wood real easily.
Funny that the latex sign paint isn't affected
by the manure, whereas the truck paint
was severely affected by it, before the box.

Another one of these signs gets placed
on the gravel driveway before I work on
my vehicles. Very nice to be able to
slide around under there, and find those
small things that fall, like nuts & bolts.

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab
Just hit a birthday, so gettin' older too
Much better than the alternative tho

>> I recently wrote:
>> I made a wooden bedliner for my truck.
>>
>> Whole thing sits on the
>> open rear end in the front yard as a play
>> house for the kids when not in use.
>> I've carried a full yard of manure in there.

> Marv replendently responded:
> So, let me get this straight. You use your kids playhouse to
> truck around turkey manure? What do the kids think about this?
> ;-)
> - -Marv-
Jus' Gettin' Older, Not Wiser


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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:45:29 -0500
From: "Robert Hutchinson"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - full floating pins

Can someone please edumacate me on what is meant by "floating pins" when
referring to wrist pins? I've seen it pop up a couple of times in reference
to the 400 rebuild and using 351C pistons, and by bushing the rods you end
up with a "floating pin", correct?

Robert E. Hutchinson
hutch297 groupz.net

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 10:12:20 -0700
From: Randy Collins
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Steering colunm interchange


If it's true that the shaft couplers are different, can either be used in
place of ? My '73 F100 uses a rag joint coupler that can be removed from
the shafts. Can the universal joint coupler also be completely removed from
the shafts? Are the shafts the same or are they different depending on the
type coupler used? If couplers can interchange, which would be better.

You are right the rag joint end and the universal joint end can be removed.
So a fella would think the swap can be done this way right? At first
glance both splined shafts appear to be the same. Any guesses on how I
know this. Only one problem...the shaft for the universal joint
has material from the side removed for clearance where the bolt (in the
universal joint) clamps down on it. The shaft for the rag joint doesn't
have this notch.


If the universal joint setup isn't interchangeable, can the input shaft be
changed in the gear box? Sorry. Just got me thinking. I don't know anything
because I don't have my manuals.

Modifications can always be done. I never tried because I found the
correct parts to do the swap. I don't think it makes sense to try to
locate and modify the steering box when the correct parts can be found.
They are out there it just takes persistence.

Later,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
460 SUPER COBRA JET



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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 13:32:01 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Chevy vs Fords

I've got to stick my nose in here too. I'm only 19, but I'm a diehard Ford
fan for two reasons. The first being I've been building them with m dad for
as long as I can remember. I can remember helping set cabs on frames in our
garage before I ever started school. The 2nd reason being that during High
school, I drove a 68 Ford Galaxie station wagon. Not only was that car able
ro take the abuse of a 17 yr old, (things like oil changes every 10k, parking
lot burnouts, and neutral drops) I was also the guy they called when all the
various cars my friends had broke down had to be towed home. I've towed an
olds Omega from Lake Mead due to a blown tranny, a Chevy Chevette due to
clutch trouble, my Buddy's 65 Cuda due to electrical fires (several times I
might add) a mazda pick-up, and the list goes on. My favorite was a friend
had a 78 Chevy Malibu with a 350. He was always braggin bout his 350, well
while sitting in front of school, he decided to rev his motor to show off a
lil, somethin hung up inside and his motor Grenaded. Blew a hole in the block
about 3 inches wide. I loved towin that thing off.

I know this is one of those things to argue through the ages, but I know one
way to settle it. How many mustangs do you see at the dragstrip with
corporate rearends, and Nova front ends?

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 13:58:55 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - "Power by Ford" Valve Cover

Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:25:41 -0500--dale rimkunas Wrote:
I'm restoring my 65 F-100 and whenever I'm in the boneyard and see
straight six Fords the valve covers always have "Powered by Ford" embossed
on them. These aren't necessarily mid 60's engines, but mine does not say
that. I don't think my engine is the original.....Anybody know what was the
first
year of that embossing and what was or wasn't on the '65?
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My 1966 F-250 2wd has a 240ci 6cyl and the valve cover is not embossed. I
was told engine original and as far as I can tell it is.

--Thom B--

Thom B's F-250
(1967 F-250 4wd)
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 11:57:01 -0800 (PST)
From: TheFORDMAN webtv.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FORD vs cheby

SSSHHHHHH! THIS IS FORD COUNTRY, WHERE IN THE STILL
OF THE NIGHT, YOU CAN HEAR
A CHEVY RUST!!!!!!!!!!
OH H LL YEAH!!!!!!!!

ERIC
75 F100 RANGER 4X4

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:02:54 PST
From: "Brandon Neighbors"
Subject: [none]

I have a '68 F-100 with a 360 c.i. engine and a three-speed manual
transmission on the column. The truck seems to be geared very low; when
I get on the interstate, the engine is hollerin' at 70 mph. Is there
anything I can do to get some more top-end speed out of it?

Nabo

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:42:00 -0800
From: "Pete and Shell"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - choke woes

I have a 460-4v from a 78 lincoln in my 70 f-250 4x4,and i was wondering if
it is possible to change the automatic choke to a manual without changing
the whole carb?

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:45:14 -0800
From: "Pete and Shell"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - front diff swap

Does anyone know if the complete front diff out of a late 70's F-250 4x4
will bolt into a 70 F-250 4x4,or will i have to modify it and if so how?

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:58:32 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wheels/Ford vs. c#$%*

"I have a friend who is giving me a set of 8 lug 16.5" slotted aluminum
mag
wheels off of his C***Y truck. I would like to install them on my '70
Class
C Motorhome/E-300 chassis, to replace the factory 16.5"/8 lug
wheels.(Yeah,
it's kind of a joke, but I'm going for the "musclecar" look, and they'll
look great with the BOSS 302 stickers on the fenders!) I've been told
they
will fit Fords as well as "off brand" trucks. Is this true?
I've been thinking of starting with some #0 steel wool"
and Comet cleanser, and working my way down to #000, then finishing with
some Mothers or Simichrome polish. It will be labor intensive of
course.
Any suggestions on a better way to R&R?"

The wheels should fit without a problem. As far as polishimg goes I
think your plan sounds good, but you can use sandpaper(400 then 600)
to knock off the initial dirt and oxidation.I would stay away from
Naval Jelly type acid based cleaners on alum. wheels.I ended up with
streaks on mine that were hard to remove. You are correct it will be
labor intensive to get them looking good but I think they will look
cool on your motorhome.

"I must give credit to my '73 F250. It has
made a better mechanic out of me because I have had to work on it more
often. My '47 chevy keeps on keeping on."


I think you should sell your Ford to someone who would appreciate it
and buy yourself another C #$*.If owning the Ford has made you a better
mechanic,then owning two c#$% s ought to make you a regular Robert
Yates.
BTW I did (head bowed in shame) own a c#$ * once. For about six
months.Good think I didn't trade my Ford in on it, that way I had
transportation while the inferior product was broke down.
Made payments on something that didn't run half the time so please
don't tell me about c #$* reliability. I could go on, but thinking about
my old c #$* is giving me a migrane.
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:34:23 -0600
From: "ben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 400M

I replaced the engine in my ' 79 with a 400M. I thought I was taking out a
351M, but it turns out to be a ' 71 400M. It was not running when I bought
the truck. Almost all the push rods were bent and the rocker fulcrums were
badly worn. But it was just rebuilt, it supposedly only ran a little while
before it died. My Questions are, what would cause this? And is this engine
worth fixing? Also it has a cam of unknown origin, is there anyway I can
tell what the specs are? Because it is in extremly good shape, due to the
short time it ran. Could I use new lifters with used push rods, rockers and
fulcrums with the cam if I can use it? Sorry for all the questions.

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 16:52:30 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Steering colunm interchange

Deacon:

I believe there's a company called Borgeson (sp?) that makes
replacement steering joints. Sam Memolo on Sam's Garage on the radio
on Saturday mornings (http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.radioamerica.org between 9 &11am EST
if you have a Real Audio Player) makes frequent mention of the
product.

Hope this helps.

My wife lost her home when she was in high school. Sorry to hear of
your loss.

Tim Bowman
Remember the Reason for the Season


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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:05:42 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering colunm interchange

As a followup to my last post, check out
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hotrodsworldwide.com/makes.htm for Borgeson. They have a
number of pretty cool items for sale. Ask them the question re:
replacement steering Ujoints.

Tim Bowman


Tim


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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:14:09 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering colunm interchange

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.borgeson.com

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> From: Tim Bowman
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering colunm interchange
> Date: Sunday, December 13, 1998 5:05 PM
>
> As a followup to my last post, check out
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.hotrodsworldwide.com/makes.htm for Borgeson. They have a
> number of pretty cool items for sale. Ask them the question re:
> replacement steering Ujoints.
>

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:22:30 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering column interchange

Bill:

Thanks for the site link, I should have tried that. They have good
pictures of their Ford products (I just quickly surveyed that
section).

Tim

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:17:20 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - choke woes

Just go to your favorite parts store and purchase the manual choke kit.
Follow the instructions for installation and you will be in business. Have
fun.
Burt Hill Kennewick, Wa 1972 F-250 4X4 460
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 18:27:25 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust manifold repair

Awhile back someone was looking for a fix for a cracked exh manifold. A
friend of mine used this stuff and says that it holds up quite well. It's
designed for the job.

Company: POR-15
Product: Fireseal 2000
Specs: Putty designed to handle temps up to 2000 deg F
Cost: $10.00 for 2 one oz pkt
Contact: 1 (800) 457-6715



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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:33:36 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:

3.70 gears are popular in these trucks, swap in a 3.25 chunk. be prepared to
lose a lot of get up and go.but your high way rpm will be decreased.
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:36:16 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - front diff swap

you can get the bill of material # off of both housings and call your local
dana drive line dealer, they have books with all this info in it. you maybe
better off just buying new parts for yours, they're not as high as you might
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:37:39 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - front diff swap

i'm sorry i thought you mean't parts interchange. the complete units should
work. mods will be minor.
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:27:36 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Greetings:71 F100 302

Champion Plugs! I dont think anybody has good luck with those.. :) Nobody
I know anyways..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 02:51 PM 12/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>This one is driving me crazy:
>>I just learned that 2 cylinders are not firing!, I've got great steady
>>spark, (new
>>distributor, cap, wires
>>and plugs),
>
>Have you checked to see if there are sparks there ? One of my friends put
>in new plugs and somehow (no idea how) dinked one of the electrodes and it
>bent pretty bad, so that cylinder wasn't firing. Also Champion plugs ...
>not so good of luck with those around here, not sure if you have those, but
>if you do, try two of the old plugs and see if it works.
>
>
>
>>Also:
>>I'm getting a gurgling sound (metallic) on acceleration, my first thought
>>was there was
>>something
>>jingling around with the clutch, (it sounds like that area), possibly the
>>bearing that
>>forces the
>>clutch pressure plate to engage / disengage. (forgive my lack of
terminology).
>>This sound is not heard when I accelerate in neutral, which points me
toward
>>some drive
>>train
>>problem, but like I said, I'm no expert.
>>
>Is it the two cylinders that aren't firing causing some pinging ? (firing
>intermittantly maybe?) If you're having problems with the engine, I'd wait
>to worry about this, unless you think something's going to fly apart, just
>to be sure that it wasn't being caused by a rough running engine.
>
>
>>'71 F100 302, (Sea foam Green and Wimbolton White)
>>
>Wow, got any pics of this ? I think my 73ish is a touch darker, but I've
>seen a 74 that I think was this combo ...
>
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>Bill
>
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:43:45 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - brands

with a cheby you have no choice..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 05:17 PM 12/11/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Mike writes: >>maybe we should buy ch##ys
>
>I'd rather walk.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:53:06 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - chevys vs Fords

I had (and will never have again) a '79 Cheby 4x4 with a small block 400.
Let me go though the list for you. new tie-rod, ball-joints, engine
rebuilt, steering arm, gearbox, steering pump, new rear-end (twice), new
tranny, transfer case, both driveshafts, back leafs, heater core, and brake
booster. This truck had under about 80,000 orgional. Dont get me going on
other ppl I know that have cheby's, same story time after time.

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 09:04 AM 12/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I've had both and I have both. I must give credit to my '73 F250. It has
>made a better mechanic out of me because I have had to work on it more
>often. My '47 chevy keeps on keeping on.
>Brick by JB
>
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 23:10:45 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Chevy vs Fords

Im too am 19, and have been around Fords for as long as I can remember.
Heres what conclusions I have came too. Cheby's are made for horsepower,
no matter what size engine. Ford could go either way according what
engine, but alot more on the low-wnd hig torque scale. I've put my truck
in a few truck pulls. I have a basically stock truck (lifted + tires is
all), no pulling setup, and have beat every cheby I have came accross,
never won, and got beat by only Fords.

I know that everybody has the opionions on vehicles, and thats mine. I
loyal to FORD, no matter what ppl say, and no matter how many times I have
been left on the side of the road (1 time for a fuel pump when I didnt know
anything about engines), and how many times I will be. Just a tried and
true blue oval fan, and proud!

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 01:40 PM 12/13/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I've got to stick my nose in here too. I'm only 19, but I'm a diehard Ford
>fan for two reasons. The first being I've been building them with m dad for
>as long as I can remember. I can remember helping set cabs on frames in our
>garage before I ever started school. The 2nd reason being that during High
>school, I drove a 68 Ford Galaxie station wagon. Not only was that car able
>ro take the abuse of a 17 yr old, (things like oil changes every 10k,
parking
>lot burnouts, and neutral drops) I was also the guy they called when all the
>various cars my friends had broke down had to be towed home. I've towed an
>olds Omega from Lake Mead due to a blown tranny, a Chevy Chevette due to
>clutch trouble, my Buddy's 65 Cuda due to electrical fires (several times I
>might add) a mazda pick-up, and the list goes on. My favorite was a friend
>had a 78 Chevy Malibu with a 350. He was always braggin bout his 350, well
>while sitting in front of school, he decided to rev his motor to show off a
>lil, somethin hung up inside and his motor Grenaded. Blew a hole in the
block
>about 3 inches wide. I loved towin that thing off.
>
> I know this is one of those things to argue through the ages, but I know one
>way to settle it. How many mustangs do you see at the dragstrip with
>corporate rearends, and Nova front ends?
>
>Darrell Duggan
>74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:22:28 -0600
From: "Michael R. Masse"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - front diff swap

I'm not positive about the F250's, but somewhere around 77 they switched
the F150's to reverse rotation differentials up front. If the pinion
comes out the bottom 1/2, you're good to go, if it comes out the top
your out of luck.


Pete and Shell wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the complete front diff out of a late 70's F-250 4x4
> will bolt into a 70 F-250 4x4,or will i have to modify it and if so how?
>
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:28:27 -0700
From: Randy Collins
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE Perf - Holley ID ????

Dale Carmine wrote:

The airhorn is stamped with list #3310-1, 2357 is stamped just below.

The carb is the standard 4160 750cfm vacuum secondary Holley. It is not an OEM part. I am not sure what the 2357 means.

BTW Dale Sorry about the E-Bay auction item. I will look at the bidders closer next time.

Later,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
460 SUPER COBRA JET



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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:27:13 -0800
From: Don
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - question regarding tranny change

I did the reverse of what you are going to do. I changed from a
400,np435,np205 to a 400,c6,np205.
Off the donor truck you will need the tunnel pan as it will have a hole for
the 435 whereas the c6 does not have that hole.You will also need a manual
steering column unless you want to have the extra lever on the column.
There is a transmission shop near me that does a exchange/rebuild for less
then 600 bucks, maybe you would have something near you that would do this
as well.
The donor truck for my F250 was a F150 shortbed and THAT did cause me
problems with driveshaft length (front only)
There are 2 different extension housings on the C6 , had i have got the C6
from a longbed (as mine was) I do not think there would have been a
problem. Theory sez that it hould work as well the other direction as far
as length.
I was able to make it work for me but yer mileage may vary.
GOOD LUCK and keep us posted.
Don



At 02:02 AM 12/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a 1978 f-150 4x4 long bed, with a 351m and c6 tranny, and I guess
>np205 case. but I want to know
>if the transfer case will bolt up to the existing bracket, or if I will
>have to make new holes, and also if the drive shaft lenghts are different.
>I can take measurements if anyone needs them. Thank you very much in
>advance, as I intend on starting this project this weekend.
> walter
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1979 Bronco Ranger XLT
400 ,C6,NP205,4.11 open diffs,16" wheels LT235/85/R16
Organization: I Cahoot With No One!!
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 20:35:57 -0800
From: Don
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Steering colunm interchange

hmmmm....i'm not sure if i get this question but i changed from a manual
F2504x4 to auto/tilt column from a f1504x4 and don't remember any real
problems with it...
don

At 11:52 PM 12/12/98 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Does anybody know if a tilt column out of a 79 F150 4x2 automatic will fit
>a 79 F150 4x4 automatic that came with a non-tilt column. Will it be a
>simple bolt in or are there modifications that will have to be made.
>
>The columns will bolt in just fine but I think you will find that the
>output shafts are different. Doesn't' the 2 WD have a rag joint and the
>4WD have the universal joint setup. Look over the output sections of the
>shafts and you will see what I mean.
>
>It is pretty simple to change the output shafts but the shaft from a tilt
>column won't interchange with the standard column.
>
>Wow several answers in one day...I am on a roll!
>
>Later,
>
>Randy Collins
>Boise, Idaho
>rcollins micron.net
>
>1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
>460 SUPER COBRA JET
>
>
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BB chatroom name: broncodon
1979 Bronco Ranger XLT
400 ,C6,NP205,4.11 open diffs,16" wheels LT235/85/R16
Organization: I Cahoot With No One!!
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:49:19 -0700
From: Randy Collins
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FTE Perf - Holley ID ????


The electric choke is interesting; probably a Holley conversion kit as I
think these came with a manual choke.

The 3310 can be purchased with an electric choke and the Ford automatic
kick down linkage. They are fairly inexpensive also. I think the sell for
around $200 to $250 or so...

Later,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
460 SUPER COBRA JET



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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 21:16:09 PST
From: "Tim Neasham"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FORD vs cheby

I'm going to make some simple statements, followed by a simpler request.

I'm new to the list, so if I offend, please accept my apology now.

It's obvious that most of us here like/love our Fords, and wouldn't
trade them for the world. It's reasonable to assume, there are Chevy
owners who feel the same way about their vehicles.

We've all heard stories about Fords that never die, and Chevy's that
can't make it around the block. There are probably as many stories like
this going around on a Chevy "list" as well, but with bullet-proof
Chevy's and dead Fords.

Now, my request. Can we skip the "Ford Vs. Chevy" debate? It's never
going to end, and it's never going to do any good.

It's akin to debating religion. You aren't going to convince someone
one way or the other by saying mine's better than yours. Whether you
say it once, or a million times, nothing changes.

(Stepping of my Soapbox)

Thanks.

Tim Neasham
'74 & '76 F-250's
Benton City, Washington



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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 00:40:50 -0500
From: j arnold
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - question regarding tranny change

Before you go putting a standard into your truck, especially if you don't
want one, I think you should look a little harder for a c-6. they are a
pretty common find around here, and if you have an "m" block, a c-6 off a
429/460 will work as well. not sure, but maybe c-6's off other engines
too. would be a shame for you to have to put your truck through all that
and not be satisfied with the results...also, is your pre-existing c-6
rebuildable? a tranny rebuild will cost you much less than a full r&r,
especially from auto to standard...

- --Bud (son of Stoney)
1979 F-250 429 Police Interceptor, T-18
1976 F-100 302, 3-speed (For Sale)
At 08:27 PM 12/13/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I did the reverse of what you are going to do. I changed from a
>400,np435,np205 to a 400,c6,np205.
>Off the donor truck you will need the tunnel pan as it will have a hole for
>the 435 whereas the c6 does not have that hole.You will also need a manual
>steering column unless you want to have the extra lever on the column.
>There is a transmission shop near me that does a exchange/rebuild for less
>then 600 bucks, maybe you would have something near you that would do this
>as well.
>The donor truck for my F250 was a F150 shortbed and THAT did cause me
>problems with driveshaft length (front only)
> There are 2 different extension housings on the C6 , had i have got the C6
>from a longbed (as mine was) I do not think there would have been a
>problem. Theory sez that it hould work as well the other direction as far
>as length.
> I was able to make it work for me but yer mileage may vary.
>GOOD LUCK and keep us posted.
>Don
>
>
>
>At 02:02 AM 12/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>I have a 1978 f-150 4x4 long bed, with a 351m and c6 tranny, and I guess
>>np205 case. but I want to know
>>if the transfer case will bolt up to the existing bracket, or if I will
>>have to make new holes, and also if the drive shaft lenghts are different.
>>I can take measurements if anyone needs them. Thank you very much in
>>advance, as I intend on starting this project this weekend.
>> walter
>>
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>1979 Bronco Ranger XLT
>400 ,C6,NP205,4.11 open diffs,16" wheels LT235/85/R16
>Organization: I Cahoot With No One!!
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 22:37:46 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: hard shifting C6

On Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:01:29 EST, YELLERTIM aol.com wrote:
>
> I would like to know how do I find out what kind of transmission I have. I
> have a 1968 Ford F-250 camper special and I need to find out what kind of
> tranny I have so that I can put a new shift kit in it.

Just crawl under it and let us know what the pan is shaped like. That
is how automatic transmissions are generally identified. It would also
help if you'd tell us what year it is.

Birken
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 01:38:39 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FORD vs cheby

In a message dated 12/13/98 10:19:04 PM MST, neasham hotmail.com writes:


going to end, and it's never going to do any good.
>>


Its not quite that simple. Debating this fulfills a male sort of pride.
Something similar to Locker room strutting, and bar talk. Its something that
we all know cannot be proven, but take great joy in Trying to. I love a good
debate. whether its gun laws, or speed limits on highways. Everyone is
entitled to their opinion, and everyone "knows" that theirs is right. But to
try and stifle that would take a lot of fun out of this list. I'm actually
proud that the gentleman with the 47 Chevy had the guts to say what he did. I
think I'd like to sit down and have a couple of beers with him and argue this
face to face. That would be fun.

Stepping off the tailgate, offering it to the next man, or woman.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 02:14:08 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust manifold repair

Yeah, Actually that was for one of my friend's truck! I've used POR-15....


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