61-79-list-digest Sunday, December 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 557



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Clicking noise in cyclinder
FTE 61-79 - Re:FTE61-79 - Greetings:71 F100 302
FTE 61-79 - Re: F600
RE: FTE 61-79 - Time machine was: "Eggs" in the Radiator
FTE 61-79 - chevys vs Fords
RE: FTE 61-79 - chevys vs Fords
RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: F600
Re: FTE 61-79 - brands
FTE 61-79 - blasphemy!!
FTE 61-79 - A Brake Flaring Tool That Works!
FTE 61-79 - Re: instrument cluster
FTE 61-79 - Weird Wheels
FTE 61-79 - 2 ddead cylinders
FTE 61-79 - Need Fitment/R&R advice for 8lug alum.mags on E-300.
FTE 61-79 - RE: Need Fitment/R&R advice for 8lug alum.mags on E-300.
FTE 61-79 - valve cover for 6 cyl
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Chat addition
FTE 61-79 - 1975 F150 Steering Column
FTE 61-79 - RE: 1975 F150 Steering Column
Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird Wheels
FTE 61-79 - 250 engine ?
FTE 61-79 - Re: Winter of Love
FTE 61-79 - Steering colunm interchange
RE: FTE 61-79 - hard shifting C6
FTE 61-79 - Re: Kids' Playhouse
Re: FTE 61-79 - hard shifting C6
Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird Wheels
FTE 61-79 - RE: Steering colunm interchange

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 05:51:42 -0600
From: "myshop"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Clicking noise in cyclinder

Hi,

The 302 in one of my 65-F100's has a very noticeable clicking noise in what
sounds like 'one' of the cylinders. I don't know the cylinder numbers but it
sounds like it's the one on the right, 3rd one back, facing the truck.

When ever I hear clicks like that in engines I always first think that it's
low on oil or it's the valves or rocker arms but usually when I hear that
noise it's in all the cylinders. This noise is noticeably coming from one
location.

My first thought is that it may not be firing because of a bad plug,
distributor cap, or something like that.

Any one have any hints, tips, procedures, etc.?

Appreciate y'all...

+
+AL+
(Pair of 65 F100's:302 and 351C)

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:33:14 -0500
From: Shawn Flaugher
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:FTE61-79 - Greetings:71 F100 302

Thanks for the help:
I played around with the rocker arms a little more today with the engine
running, and got
one of the cylinders to fire!, but no luck with the other one. I'll try
throwing in the old plug
today (just worked all night). BTW - not Champion plugs.

As far as the gurgling sound, it's not coming from the upper engine as
far as I can tell.
Right now I have a huge hole in the floor where I've got the shift
linkage rods sticking out.
(forgot about the plastic fitting to the column shifter), so I can hear
the sound coming
right up through the hole. Which makes me think it's in the clutch
somewhere, (or possibly
trans) BUT, I seem to remember driving some old automatic trans trucks
that gave the
same sound. It just scares me to think it's something bouncing off the
cam or drive shaft!!
It definitely gets louder as I go faster.

About the paint - Sea Foam Green probably wouldn't be my first choice
(if I had one), but the
truck sure looks sweet with the original paint!!, small rust patches on
the body, and the
back bumper and bed are pretty bad. I'll touch up the body as soon as I
can find Sea Foam,
I've already got the white. - All and all not bad!! I'll send pictures
as soon as I take some.

thanks, Shawn

'71 F100 302 (Sea foam Green and Wimbolton White)
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 02:23:49 -0500
From: pickup65 juno.com (Jon E Purut)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: F600

Doss, I have an F500 and am in search of a two speed rear end also. I
have seen two speed rear ends for the larger trucks like your at a few
junk yards here in North Carolina. If you are interested e-mail me and I
will give you their names.

I am not having much luck finding one for mine since it is lighter duty.
All the ones I have found either have star rims or use budd rims with
more lug nuts than my 6. I would just be happy finding a hogs head with a
better ratio than the 6.20 I currently have. Every F500 found so far has
the same ratio!

Azie on this list recently bought an axillary transmission for his truck
to get overdrive capabilities. This would work for me as an alternative
but I have yet to find one of those either. By the way, how is coming
Azie.

Jon E. Purut
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.xoom.com/Chelley
one 64 F500, one 77 F150 and a pair of 65 F100's

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 06:53:57 -0700
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Time machine was: "Eggs" in the Radiator

The only thing I was driving in 1969 was a peddle-car and my parents
crazy!!!!

> you guys are youngsters.. heck I was driving in 69
>
> sam weatherby wrote:
>
> > My dad was 18 in 69. He could a' drove!
>
> >Well I just turned 9, my truck won't be built for 10 more years and I
> need
> > >to go watch Speed Racer at my buddies house...
> > >
> > >Later
> > >>
> > >> Groovy! I was gonna do an oil change on the truck this weekend,
> but
> > >since
> > >> Ford wont be building the truck for two more years, I guess the oil
> > >doesn't
> > >> need changing yet...
> > >> I hope Dennis can drive the bus, I'm only 10 and don't have my
> liscence
> > >yet!
>
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 09:03:40 -0500
From: bymybrick juno.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - chevys vs Fords

I've had both and I have both. I must give credit to my '73 F250. It has
made a better mechanic out of me because I have had to work on it more
often. My '47 chevy keeps on keeping on.
Brick by JB

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 07:36:48 -0700
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - chevys vs Fords

Could it be that you drive the Ford more often and harder than you do your
Ch**y?? Your Ford is likely doing all the work, and your Ch**y is likely
your toy that you tend to baby more. I have a ful size 79 Bronco, a 76 f350
Crew, a 69 Chevelle, and a 97 Intrepid (Mopar). The crew is my daily
driver, and its also the ugliest vehicle I have, but it also is the most
dependable, my favorite to drive, and the easiest to work on. No emissions
crap, no computer, big and safe, and people tend to stay out of the way.
It will have new paint by summer, and hopefully a 4x4 frame too, if I can
find one. Rick

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> From: bymybrick juno.com[SMTP:bymybrick juno.com]
> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 1998 7:03 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - chevys vs Fords
>
> I've had both and I have both. I must give credit to my '73 F250. It has
> made a better mechanic out of me because I have had to work on it more
> often. My '47 chevy keeps on keeping on.
> Brick by JB
>
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 08:01:35 -0700
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Re: F600

So, who can give me lots of info on an overdrive like mentioned below. I
have a 1976 f350 Crewcab with a c6 and an automatic with 410-dana70. Would
like overdrive for highway time, but still want to be able to pull trailer
locally. Thanks, Rick

> ----------
> From: pickup65 juno.com[SMTP:pickup65 juno.com]
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 12:23 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: F600
>
> Doss, I have an F500 and am in search of a two speed rear end also. I
> have seen two speed rear ends for the larger trucks like your at a few
> junk yards here in North Carolina. If you are interested e-mail me and I
> will give you their names.
>
> I am not having much luck finding one for mine since it is lighter duty.
> All the ones I have found either have star rims or use budd rims with
> more lug nuts than my 6. I would just be happy finding a hogs head with a
> better ratio than the 6.20 I currently have. Every F500 found so far has
> the same ratio!
>
> Azie on this list recently bought an axillary transmission for his truck
> to get overdrive capabilities. This would work for me as an alternative
> but I have yet to find one of those either. By the way, how is coming
> Azie.
>
>
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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:32:41 -0500
From: David Wadson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - brands

> Well, if you buy a ch#vy you should get plenty of opportunity
> for walking!
> On wednesday my neighbors S-10 came home on the back of a tow truck.
> I'll have to go up there this weekend and see what happened to it
> THIS time. Last spring when it came home on the hook it was a
> broken tranny...
>
> Funny thing is, he sold his beat up but totally reliable '74 F250
> a couple years ago to buy the S-10. I told him it was a stupid thing
> to do at the time, but he said he was sick of Fords (?) and wanted
> a ch#vy, so I always make it a point to give him a real hard time
> when the S-10 breaks down, which is *plenty* often. (-:

I've only had two vehicles so far - a 79 F100 300 i6 and my "new" 78 F100
302 so I don't really have any solid basis for criticizing another brand
vehicle. But I do know that that I abused that 79 something fierce and when
it failed me, it was mostly my own fault. I used its leaking oil seals as
an excuse to change the oil maybe 3 times (no joke) in as many years. I
just kept pouring more oil in every couple of weeks and ONCE, I gave it a
new oil filter. I just didn't have the motivation to crawl under that
greasy, grungy engine to change the oil. Maybe that was the reason I had
one rocker arm nut that came loose on me but I could have that valve cover
off and tighten it back up in 5 minutes. Finally we fixed it properly with
some locktight and another nut tightened down onto the first one! When I
finally scrapped the truck the engine was still going.

Same thing with the tranny - fluid was black and who knows what the filter
looked like but it still worked. I broke my leaf springs twice - probably a
direct result of having totally worn out shocks. I ended up cracked one of
the shocks finally. 2 starters, a water pump, battery, frozen radiator (you
should have heard the bang when the top rod hose burst!), wheel cylinder,
exhaust manifold, carburetor...all kinds of things went but while I was mad
when it happened, I look back with satisfaction that I was able to fix it
all myself. Even when I finally decided to scrap it after blowing something
in the rear axle (I think my diff), I had ignored the warning signs of a
horrible thunk when I put the truck into gear. Plus, I was gunning it out
of the gas station and caught a nasty curb/pothole combination.

The new truck is being treated with a lot more respect since I put over 2
years into rebuilding most of it. It's not a mint condition restoration but
a working, functional, and clean truck. I don't mind tinkering around under
the hood with my thermostat or heater core because I know that engine
intimately and it's very clean! I don't know if the old Chevys or Dodges
are the same, but I love having a vehicle that I can repair or improve
myself. I cringed when friends get a thousand dollar repair bill for a
blown head gasket or $200 for an oxygen sensor. Go ahead, insult my Old
Ford Truck all you want, it's more reliable than vehicles a fraction of
its age!

Besides, you just can't beat the styling a a 73-79 Ford truck!


David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca
"PS2" - 78 F100 w/ 302 & C4


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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:39:48 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - blasphemy!!

>Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:11:16 -0500
>From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - brands
>
>Mike writes: >>maybe we should buy ch##ys
**What???** screams and voices and funny green bugs flying around with
talk like that.

Blasphemy blasphemy, blasphemy!!!!!!! arrrgghh!!!! Nuke GM!!
Nuke GM!! Nuke GM!!

Boy do I feel better now!!!!
Whew!

>I'd rather walk.
Azie,
Save me spot on the side of the road cause I would definitley be walkin'
with you!!

Stu
NUKE GM!
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:49:11 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A Brake Flaring Tool That Works!

I tracked down the Snap-On man...he sold me a "Blue Point" brake flaring tool.
After using the Mickey Mouse Brand tool that had, using the new one was a
dream. Makes beautiful double flares! Be sure to use a little bit of light oil
and blow out the lines afterwards.....Cost around $100.....he through in a few
extra of the 3/16" adapters...be sure to get a few extra if you get one.....I
haven't broken one yet with the new tooI, but used to.... figured for brake
stuff, it was worth it....

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 10:45:11 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: instrument cluster

On Thursday, December 10, 1998, someone wrote:
>
> I am looking for information about tires and wheels for a '67 Ford
> pickup. I currently have a set of 30x9.50R15 (on stock wheels), but I
> would like to put "fatter" mud and snow tires on it. Am I looking at
> getting new wheels? I want the same diameter tires, or slightly bigger
> (like 31"), but just with a wider cross-section. Anyone here have any
> suggestions?

I had some 31x11.50x15 Cooper LTs on my truck for a while. I believe
that is about as wide as you can get for a normal street tire. The
usual width for a 31" is 10.50. Super Swamper makes an SX version
(steel belted) of their standard tire that is 31x13.50, but that is a
very agressive tread.

I have wasted so many tires that Cooper and BFG are all I really
consider any more.

Birken
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:52:50 -0700
From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Weird Wheels

Colorado Jeff seemed to get me looking closer at wheels. I just left a
junkyard , and they had 8 lug 15inch (yes, I said 15) white spoke heavy duty
wheels. He wanted $10 a piece for them. Thought I would let everybody
know.

Rick in Colorado
1976 f350 Crewcab XLT
1979 Bronco
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 11:44:45 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 2 ddead cylinders

If the the 2 dead cylinders are next to each other it could be
the head gasket is blown between the two or the intake manifold
gasket is leaking between the two.
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 12:31:51 -0800
From: "Matt Tobin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need Fitment/R&R advice for 8lug alum.mags on E-300.

I have a friend who is giving me a set of 8 lug 16.5" slotted aluminum mag
wheels off of his C***Y truck. I would like to install them on my '70 Class
C Motorhome/E-300 chassis, to replace the factory 16.5"/8 lug wheels.(Yeah,
it's kind of a joke, but I'm going for the "musclecar" look, and they'll
look great with the BOSS 302 stickers on the fenders!) I've been told they
will fit Fords as well as "off brand" trucks. Is this true?

Also these mags are in serious need of R&R. The aluminum is pitted and
oxidized. This needs to be a home project, I'm not willing to send them to
a polishing shop. I've been thinking of starting with some #0 steel wool
and Comet cleanser, and working my way down to #000, then finishing with
some Mothers or Simichrome polish. It will be labor intensive of course.
Any suggestions on a better way to R&R?

This list is a great resource. I've really heightened my appreciation for
Ford Trucks.

Matt Tobin
1970 Shasta Motorhome, E-300 chassis, 302 140hp
1994 Taurus SHO 265hp (why do I find this amusing?)

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 14:19:17 -0700
From: Randy Collins
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Need Fitment/R&R advice for 8lug alum.mags on E-300.



Try:

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I purchased the video and supplies from these folks. I like the video and I am satisfied with their products.

Later,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
460 SUPER COBRA JET



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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:25:41 -0500
From: dale rimkunas
Subject: FTE 61-79 - valve cover for 6 cyl

Hey guys,
thanks for the tips on the sleeve available for the harmonic
balancer seal surface. New question, this may seem very inconsequential,
but I'm restoring my 65 F-100 and whenever i'm in the boneyard and see
straight six Fords the valve covers always have "Powered by Ford" embossed
on them. These aren't necessarily mid 60's engines, but mine does not say
that. I don't think my engine is the original(the noodle heads who rebuilt
it prior to my ownership decided to put their own serial num tag in place
of the original, do i can't match the #s). Anybody know what was the first
year of that embossing and what was or wasn't on the '65? I'm not an
uptight freak, but I would like to get it right. This truck deserves
it.Thanks!


In Ford we Trust,

dale rimkunas


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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:59:54 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Chat addition

Telnet chatting has been added in addition to Java chat. It
works well. I don't know if it works with AOL because I
don't have AOL to test with. Let me know if you have AOL
and it doesn't work. The new chat server is pretty bullet
proof. It's been running for a week without a problem and
is still using only between 300-400k of memory and .002%
CPU resources. The Telnet chat link is on the chat page.
In addition to AOL users, anyone with older browsers,
browsers without Java and some Macintosh browsers should
now be able to chat via Telnet. For the curious, Telnet
is a terminal interface for the Internet (what we used before
browsers came along). Most computers have a Telnet client
on them, just click our Telnet link and it should launch.

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 16:40:03 -0600
From: Jim Cooke
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1975 F150 Steering Column

The top key on the automatic transmission shifter column (within the
steering column) broke off and left me stuck in Reverse. When I removed
this column, there was a small piece of light metal about 1/2 way down the
column that broke off. I am not sure, but is this for the neutral safety
switch? If not, what is it for? How do I remove a replacement column from
from a donor truck at the wrecker without breaking the same piece off?

Thanks for help!
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 17:15:26 -0700
From: Randy Collins
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: 1975 F150 Steering Column


How do I remove a replacement column from from a donor truck at the wrecker
without breaking the same piece off?

The piece your need to remove the two small screws that mount the switch
for the neutral start indicator from the column. After you remove the
piece you can remove the spring steel pointer from the column by sliding a
small screwdriver under it and popping it out.

Hope that helps,

Randy Collins
Boise, Idaho
rcollins micron.net

1975 Ford F250 4WD Supercab "Muscle Truck"
460 SUPER COBRA JET



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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 21:16:35 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird Wheels

i had a set of those, the ones i had wouldn't work on the front of a 4x4 with
disc brakes.
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 19:13:21 -0800
From: "Sam Weatherby"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 250 engine ?

Awhile ago the 250 in my wifes car overheated.
Whoever put the water pump on didn't bolt it on tight enough!
It was running good 'till then.
Now it won't start.
The plugs are now real oily. I suspect the rings could have got stuck or
something?
Could a head gasket let oil in to the cylinders?
Any other idea's?
-srw


Sam Weatherby SWeatherby uswest.net
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'70 Mustang Grabber Sportsroof
'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
'98 FXD Super Glide

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Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:59:26 -0800
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Winter of Love

The Deekster thus scribed:

> Well Marv, you're making me feel like a kid again. According to
> my mail reader you sent this message Dec. 31, 1969.

According to my Windoze time/date settings, it's really 2096.

> That makes me 14 and the summer of love was a few months ago. :}
> I missed the Jefferson Airplane concert again. But there's still
> plenty of parties! Yo, Dennis & Steve. Lets get the bus
> painted and head out for the bay!

And there I was, dressed in green, living on Luzon. (For those of
you that think Luzon is a Metaxa product, it's an island in the
Philippines.) Getting intoxicated with a Haight kind of attitude
was strictly verboten, so it was Crown Royal and Singapore slings.
Wow, that stuff sure was cheap back then.

It would be yet another four years 'till my first Ford truck
purchase. (content).

-Marv-


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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:59:39 -0700
From: Ben
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering colunm interchange

Does anybody know if a tilt column out of a 79 F150 4x2 automatic will fit a
79 F150 4x4 automatic that came with a non-tilt column. Will it be a simple
bolt in or are there modifications that will have to be made.

Thanks in advance for any info!

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 22:59:44 -0500
From: "Ken Schneider"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - hard shifting C6

One thing to check if the C6 isn't downshifting under heavy throttle. Check
the carb adjustment to see if it's opening wide when the pedal is at the
floor :) Don't ask me how I know this.

Ken

68 F100 360/C6/3.25/In storage for Winter.

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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 20:38:34 -0800
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Kids' Playhouse

> Jeff Carver recently wrote:

> I made a wooden bedliner for my truck.



> Whole thing sits on the
> open rear end in the front yard as a play
> house for the kids when not in use.
> I've carried a full yard of manure in there.

So, let me get this straight. You use your kids playhouse to
truck around turkey manure? What do the kids think about this?

;-)

- -Marv-
Jus' Gettin' Older, Not Wiser

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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 00:01:29 EST
From: YELLERTIM aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - hard shifting C6

I would like to know how do I find out what kind of transmission I have. I
have a 1968 Ford F-250 camper special and I need to find out what kind of
tranny I have so that I can put a new shift kit in it.
Thank you,
Tim
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Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 01:15:48 -0500
From: j arnold
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Weird Wheels

I happen to own a set of 10X15" 8 lug "wagon" wheels. Sandblasted and
painted, and looking sharp! Would be willing to sell them if anyone was
interested...Also have 3 (can't find the daggum forth!) of the same rim,
only in 16.5" dia.

- --Bud (son of Stoney)
1979 F-250 429 Police Interceptor, T-18
1976 F-100 302, 3 speed
At 11:52 AM 12/12/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Colorado Jeff seemed to get me looking closer at wheels. I just left a
>junkyard , and they had 8 lug 15inch (yes, I said 15) white spoke heavy duty
>wheels. He wanted $10 a piece for them. Thought I would let everybody
>know.
>
>Rick in Colorado
>1976 f350 Crewcab XLT
>1979 Bronco
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Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 23:52:05 -0700
From: Randy Collins
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Steering colunm interchange


Does anybody know if a tilt column out of a 79 F150 4x2 automatic will fit....


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