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61-79-list-digest Saturday, December 12 1998 Volume 02 : Number 556 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "Eggs" in the Radiator Re: FTE 61-79 - complant FTE 61-79 - F-600 Re: FTE 61-79 - F-600 FTE 61-79 - RE: shipping peanuts FTE 61-79 - Greetings:71 F100 302 FTE 61-79 - instrument regulator RE: FTE 61-79 - instrument regulator Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "Eggs" in the Radiator Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "Eggs" in the Radiator RE: FTE 61-79 - Larger tires, was instrument cluster FTE 61-79 - Time machine was: "Eggs" in the Radiator Re: FTE 61-79 - Time machine was: "Eggs" in the Radiator Re: FTE 61-79 - complant FTE 61-79 - Wheel Torque Rings FTE 61-79 - complant Re: FTE 61-79 - complant Re: FTE 61-79 - complant Re: FTE 61-79 - complant Re: FTE 61-79 - complant Re: FTE 61-79 - Greetings:71 F100 302 FTE 61-79 - extra shift FTE 61-79 - static electricity Re: FTE 61-79 - complant Re: FTE 61-79 - 70 Truck Manuals Re: FTE 61-79 - complant Re: FTE 61-79 - Larger tires FTE 61-79 - rag joint FTE 61-79 - OD FTE 61-79 - brands FTE 61-79 - 460 Swap FTE 61-79 - Old faithful going on FTE 61-79 - Cluster Volt reg FTE 61-79 - differences 360-390 Re: FTE 61-79 - brands FTE 61-79 - 66 Glove Box Spring Re: FTE 61-79 - Time machine was: "Eggs" in the Radiator Re: FTE 61-79 - brands Re: FTE 61-79 - 70 Truck Manuals Re: FTE 61-79 - brands Re: FTE 61-79 - complant(Engine Weights) Re: FTE 61-79 - Greetings:71 F100 302 FTE 61-79 - question regarding tranny change Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco Emissions FTE 61-79 - RE: question regarding tranny change FTE 61-79 - 400M Rebuild/pistons ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 07:54:28 -0500 From: David Wadson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "Eggs" in the Radiator >The last time I saw this kind of thing was after I put ethelene glycol >anti-freeze >in an engine that someone had previously "egg dipped". Egg dip is a >liguid that >farmers used to (yes!) dip their chickens' eggs into as a preservative. >It's some >sodium (silicate) compound that acts very effectively as a block sealer. >It masks >a blown head gasket sometimes when an unscrupulous car seller needs to make >a quick buck. (See article on sawdust and banana peels in howling >differentials). >It is soluable in water, and if you use the old alcohol-type anti-freeze, >(probably not available any more) it's soluable in that, too. It is NOT >compatable > >with glycol-type anti-freeze, and will immediately form the small beads you >describe. > >Could this be what you're seeing? > >-Marv- Well, it's an interesting theory but I since the engine was just rebuilt, it's highly unlikely. I had the block hot tanked and bored out and a while later had the heads professionally rebuilt (I wasn't going to tackle that on my first rebuild!). Plus, the little beads were in the radiator before I added the anti-freeze. I seem to be getting a little more heat out of it now so I think what ever was in there has been flushed into the block and hasn't returned. Over the Christmas holidays I will consider pulling it into the (unheated) garage and flushing it out. In the meantime, I'll swap my heater hoses back to the original positions and see what happens. Question for you guys - why does the interior heater work great with the hoses connected one way, but not the other? I can never visualize the physics behind why having the hoses hooked up backwards would make it blow cooler... David Wadson - wadsond air.on.ca "PS2" - 78 F100 w/ 302 & C4 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:07:30 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - complant >What wouldn't work on an FE360 that would work on an FE390? I thought the >only difference between the two were the connecting rods and the crank. I >also thought these were bolt-in for changing a 360 to a 390. > I thought so too, but I figured if I said everything was the same, someone would jump on with a list of forty things that are different ... Sorry. >Best thing about knowledge is, you can never know it all! :) > True ... very true. Laters Bill == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:07:13 -0500 From: "J. Doss Halsey" Subject: FTE 61-79 - F-600 Hey, folks. I am asking for the big hardware here. I have a friend who just bought a '73 F-600 Dump. He is in the market for a two speed rear end and a power steering unit. He tells me that the engine is a 333. I don't know that one, but I'll look into it further. We are in Northern Virginia. Any leads within a reasonable distance, give me a shout. Thanks, Doss Halsey == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:43:03 EST From: JUMPINFORD aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-600 First off the engine is 332. I have the same truck, although mine is setup as a vacuum truck. That is a very good motor, no horsepower at all, but with the gears it came with, it'll pull a fleet of greyhounds if ya want. This was a truck built to last, ours still has the original U-Joints! As far as the power steering goes, good luck, same with the rearend. We had an accident (dad got it stuck) and he blew the 3rd member trying to get it out, Think it cost about 1400. Just check your local yards, see what you can find. Darrell Duggan 74 F-350 "Tweety" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:07:23 -0600 From: "J Elliott" Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: shipping peanuts Larry writes to David: >>Could these egg-like balls be a shipping peanut that got busted up going through the water pump? Azie writes: >>Larry has hit on a very likely point here. I'd venture to guess he is right and that the remainder of the 'chopped up' shipping peanuts are in your heater core.. Another possibility: 'Stop Leak Antifreeze' used to be marketed, and the way it worked was little teeny styrofoam balls in the mix. Looked like miniatures of the individual styrofoam beads used to mold coolers, cups, fill bean bags, etc. could be someone used it once and some managed to hang behind in nooks and crannies. Jim E. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:48:50 -0500 From: Shawn Flaugher Subject: FTE 61-79 - Greetings:71 F100 302 Greetings, I am new to this list (2 Weeks) and have very much enjoyed the info available here! I thought I'd throw a few things out to everyone. First of all, I have a general knowledge of engine repair, but not nearly enough to tackle some of the big problems on my own! This one is driving me crazy: I just learned that 2 cylinders are not firing!, I've got great steady spark, (new distributor, cap, wires and plugs), and have gone through the positive stop rocker arm assembly, (new push rods and rocker arm nuts where needed), and adjusted as much as I can to fix the loud taps and backed some off to get complete valve closure. As far as I can tell there is compression (in the non-fireing cylinders) by feeling the spark plug hole as the engine runs, but I'm still not sure about this. Also: I'm getting a gurgling sound (metallic) on acceleration, my first thought was there was something jingling around with the clutch, (it sounds like that area), possibly the bearing that forces the clutch pressure plate to engage / disengage. (forgive my lack of terminology). This sound is not heard when I accelerate in neutral, which points me toward some drive train problem, but like I said, I'm no expert. Any help you guys could give would be great!! Thanks, Shawn '71 F100 302, (Sea foam Green and Wimbolton White) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 08:58:23 -0800 (PST) From: Perro Grande Subject: FTE 61-79 - instrument regulator that little silver box is it. $30 buck is high. I bought one for my Mustang for about $8 from a catalog. == Bob Lowell ljspop yahoo.com _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:32:12 -0700 From: "Miska, Richard L (Rick)" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - instrument regulator Go to the junkyard and get one. I replaced my whole cluster because the white plastic back part was dry-rotting (common prob) and would not hold light bulb. I have an extra I can send you for free, you just pay shipping. Put new light bulbs in while you are in there too since dashes are so fun to take apart. Rick 1976 f350 Crewcab XLT 1979 Bronco Kinda Crazy > ---------- > From: Perro Grande[SMTP:ljspop yahoo.com] > Sent: Friday, December 11, 1998 9:58 AM > To: stevee itis.com > Cc: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: FTE 61-79 - instrument regulator > > that little silver box is it. $30 buck is high. I bought > one for my Mustang for about $8 from a catalog. > > > > > > == > Bob Lowell > ljspop yahoo.com > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:59:54 -0800 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "Eggs" in the Radiator At 12:10 AM 12/11/98 -0800, you wrote: >>-Marv- >>(Am I really getting this old?) > >Well Marv, your making me feel like a kid again. According to my mail reader >you sent this message Dec. 31, 1969. That makes me 14 and the summer of love >was a few months ago. :} I missed the Jefferson Airplane concert again. But >there's still plenty of parties! Yo, Dennis & Steve. Lets get the bus >painted and head out for the bay! ;>L Groovy! I was gonna do an oil change on the truck this weekend, but since Ford wont be building the truck for two more years, I guess the oil doesn't need changing yet... I hope Dennis can drive the bus, I'm only 10 and don't have my liscence yet! Peace... Steve http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- F. P. Jones == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:59:55 -0800 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "Eggs" in the Radiator >>The last time I saw this kind of thing was after I put ethelene glycol >>anti-freeze >>in an engine that someone had previously "egg dipped". Could these "eggs" be beads of silica gel? You know, the little packets of stuff that comes with electronics equipment and stuff to absorb moisture... If you soak the silica gel beads in water for a while they will turn in to little jelly "eggs". Maybe there was a package of them in some of the new parts you bought.? Usually they come in a little cloth sack, but if they went thru the H20 pump, the pump could have chewed the bag up and let the beads out. That would also mean there's a wad of cloth sack in the system somewhere. Maybe in your heater core? It's easy enought to come up with silica gel if you wanna soak some and see if they turn into the same thing that's in your radiator... Steve http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- F. P. Jones == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:15:56 -0700 From: "Syber" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Larger tires, was instrument cluster Depends on how wide your rims are.. to go to a 12.50 width tire, you need a minimum of a 8" rim... Paul Fogle '79 Bronco Custom, 351M 4" Rough Country Suspension Lift, 33" BFG MT's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.thewowfactor.com/bigbroncos/detail.cfm?detailid=180 - -----Original Message----- From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Manuel Costa Sent: Thursday, December 10, 1998 7:34 PM To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - instrument cluster Sirs: I am looking for information about tires and wheels for a '67 Ford pickup. I currently have a set of 30x9.50R15 (on stock wheels), but I would like to put "fatter" mud and snow tires on it. Am I looking at getting new wheels? I want the same diameter tires, or slightly bigger (like 31"), but just with a wider cross-section. Anyone here have any suggestions? Thanks, M.C. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:20:39 -0800 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Time machine was: "Eggs" in the Radiator Well I just turned 9, my truck won't be built for 10 more years and I need to go watch Speed Racer at my buddies house... Later - ---------- > From: sdelanty sonic.net > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "Eggs" in the Radiator > Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 9:59 AM > > > Groovy! I was gonna do an oil change on the truck this weekend, but since > Ford wont be building the truck for two more years, I guess the oil doesn't > need changing yet... > I hope Dennis can drive the bus, I'm only 10 and don't have my liscence yet! > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:44:06 -0800 From: "sam weatherby" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Time machine was: "Eggs" in the Radiator My dad was 18 in 69. He could a' drove! -srw Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com '70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang '93 F-150 XLT Lightning '98 HD FXD Super Glide '78 Monarch '65 F100 - -----Original Message----- From: Bill Beyer To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 10:22 AM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Time machine was: "Eggs" in the Radiator >Well I just turned 9, my truck won't be built for 10 more years and I need >to go watch Speed Racer at my buddies house... > >Later > >---------- >> From: sdelanty sonic.net >> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com >> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "Eggs" in the Radiator >> Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 9:59 AM >> >> >> Groovy! I was gonna do an oil change on the truck this weekend, but >since >> Ford wont be building the truck for two more years, I guess the oil >doesn't >> need changing yet... >> I hope Dennis can drive the bus, I'm only 10 and don't have my liscence >yet! >> > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 10:53:50 PST From: "Jerald Merrick" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - complant To tell the truth I think that all FE's are enterchangable. J. A. Merrick Wyoming Mr. Ranger >From owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Fri Dec 11 01:34:59 1998 >Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id CAA24020; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 02:40:40 -0500 (EST) >Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.18]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id CAA24005; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 02:40:33 -0500 (EST) >Received: from mobil (pool024-max5.ds10-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [209.178.8.24]) > by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id XAA17058 > for ; Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:40:29 -0800 (PST) >From: "Deacon" >To: >Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - complant >Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 23:41:30 -0800 >Message-ID: >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 >Sender: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > >From: William S Hart > >>As for 360 not being shared with the cars, this is actually a handicap. By >>sharing it with the cars, you've introduced a whole new after market to >>them. Though most things from the 390 will work on the 360, there are >>things that won't. > >What wouldn't work on an FE360 that would work on an FE390? I thought the >only difference between the two were the connecting rods and the crank. I >also thought these were bolt-in for changing a 360 to a 390. > >Best thing about knowledge is, you can never know it all! :) > > >Deacon Blues >deconblu ford-trucks.com >deconblu earthlink.net >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~deconblu/ >------------------------ >Some like them Fast. Some like them custom. >I like mine Paid For! >'73 F100 >Oh, Give me a home, An Internet to roam, And my wife will not see me all >day! > > > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:44:31 EST From: BDIJXS aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wheel Torque Rings Has anyone here heard of Jackman wheels? I think they made white and chrome spokers in the 70's - early 80's. Apparently, they had a problem: they didn't have "torque ring" at the wheel/hub interface.....this seemed to cause them to fall off of vehicles. Anyone heard of this deal? Colorado Jeff == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:00:35 PST From: "Jerald Merrick" Subject: FTE 61-79 - complant Thanks to all who shared their thoughts. I Know that the FE's are all Enterchangable, I'm just tired of now hearing about them. Looking at old Truck'en mags, and hot rod, no one uses 360's. You read about 390's, 352's, and 428's. I think with the correct parts and TLC. the 360 would make a great hot rod, tourqie engin. J. A. Merrick Wyoming Mr. Ranger ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:01:58 -0800 From: "sam weatherby" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - complant If you are going to have the weight of a big block, you might as well have all the cubes you can get. Why do a 360 (or 352 for that matter) when you can do a 351W whith almost the same displacement and a way more aftermarket support. And 460's are bigger yet, and lighter. I like FE's, but I don't see the point in a small displacement big block. -srw Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com '70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang '93 F-150 XLT Lightning '98 HD FXD Super Glide '78 Monarch '65 F100 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:26:50 PST From: "Jerald Merrick" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - complant Yes some of what you say is true. But when you are looking at space, and want the big block. I am a true believer in the FE's you couldn't give me a 351W! J. A. Merrick Wyomimg Mr. Ranger >From owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Fri Dec 11 11:15:44 1998 >Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id OAA24734; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:06:38 -0500 (EST) >Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net [206.81.192.1]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id OAA24632; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:06:23 -0500 (EST) >Received: (qmail 19737 invoked by alias); 11 Dec 1998 19:06:15 -0000 >Delivered-To: fixup-61-79-list ford-trucks.com fixme >Received: (qmail 19683 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 1998 19:06:13 -0000 >Received: from tide72.microsoft.com (HELO a-samwe) (131.107.3.72) > by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 1998 19:06:13 -0000 >Message-ID: >From: "sam weatherby" >To: >Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - complant >Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:01:58 -0800 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 >Sender: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > >If you are going to have the weight of a big block, you might as well have >all the cubes you can get. >Why do a 360 (or 352 for that matter) when you can do a 351W whith almost >the same displacement and a way more aftermarket support. >And 460's are bigger yet, and lighter. >I like FE's, but I don't see the point in a small displacement big block. > -srw > >Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy >SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com >'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang >'93 F-150 XLT Lightning >'98 HD FXD Super Glide >'78 Monarch >'65 F100 > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > ______________________________________________________ == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:35:30 -0800 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - complant >If you are going to have the weight of a big block, you might as well have >all the cubes you can get. >Why do a 360 (or 352 for that matter) when you can do a 351W whith almost >the same displacement and a way more aftermarket support. >And 460's are bigger yet, and lighter. Ummm, no. Actually, a stock 460 is over 75 lbs heavier than an FE. If you replace that 80 lb Fe intake manifold with something aluminum then the FE is about 125 lbs lighter than the 460... Steve http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- F. P. Jones == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:32:35 -0800 From: "sam weatherby" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - complant I think you missed my point. I am not knocking on the FE's. I had one and it ran great. I was very happy with it. But it was a 360. it had about the same power as a 351W but weighed much more and would have cost me more to build up. If I was going to build an engine for a truck I would go for a bigger big block. Small big blocks are no better then big small blocks. -srw Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com '70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang '93 F-150 XLT Lightning '98 HD FXD Super Glide '78 Monarch '65 F100 - -----Original Message----- From: Jerald Merrick To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 11:29 AM Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - complant >Yes some of what you say is true. But when you are looking at space, >and want the big block. I am a true believer in the FE's you couldn't >give me a 351W! >J. A. Merrick >Wyomimg >Mr. Ranger >>From owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Fri Dec 11 11:15:44 1998 >>Received: (fordtruc localhost) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id OAA24734; >Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:06:38 -0500 (EST) >>Received: from sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net (sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net >[206.81.192.1]) by ford-trucks.com (8.8.5) id OAA24632; Fri, 11 Dec 1998 >14:06:23 -0500 (EST) >>Received: (qmail 19737 invoked by alias); 11 Dec 1998 19:06:15 -0000 >>Delivered-To: fixup-61-79-list ford-trucks.com fixme >>Received: (qmail 19683 invoked by uid 0); 11 Dec 1998 19:06:13 -0000 >>Received: from tide72.microsoft.com (HELO a-samwe) (131.107.3.72) >> by sttlpop1.sttl.uswest.net with SMTP; 11 Dec 1998 19:06:13 -0000 >>Message-ID: >>From: "sam weatherby" >>To: >>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - complant >>Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 11:01:58 -0800 >>MIME-Version: 1.0 >>Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset="iso-8859-1" >>Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>X-Priority: 3 >>X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 >>X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 >>Sender: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com >>Precedence: bulk >>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com >> >>If you are going to have the weight of a big block, you might as well >have >>all the cubes you can get. >>Why do a 360 (or 352 for that matter) when you can do a 351W whith >almost >>the same displacement and a way more aftermarket support. >>And 460's are bigger yet, and lighter. >>I like FE's, but I don't see the point in a small displacement big >block. >> -srw >> >>Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy >>SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com >>'70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang >>'93 F-150 XLT Lightning >>'98 HD FXD Super Glide >>'78 Monarch >>'65 F100 >> >>== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info >http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html >> > > >______________________________________________________ > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:44:24 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Greetings:71 F100 302 >This one is driving me crazy: >I just learned that 2 cylinders are not firing!, I've got great steady >spark, (new >distributor, cap, wires >and plugs), Have you checked to see if there are sparks there ? One of my friends put in new plugs and somehow (no idea how) dinked one of the electrodes and it bent pretty bad, so that cylinder wasn't firing. Also Champion plugs ... not so good of luck with those around here, not sure if you have those, but if you do, try two of the old plugs and see if it works. >Also: >I'm getting a gurgling sound (metallic) on acceleration, my first thought >was there was >something >jingling around with the clutch, (it sounds like that area), possibly the >bearing that >forces the >clutch pressure plate to engage / disengage. (forgive my lack of terminology). >This sound is not heard when I accelerate in neutral, which points me toward >some drive >train >problem, but like I said, I'm no expert. > Is it the two cylinders that aren't firing causing some pinging ? (firing intermittantly maybe?) If you're having problems with the engine, I'd wait to worry about this, unless you think something's going to fly apart, just to be sure that it wasn't being caused by a rough running engine. >'71 F100 302, (Sea foam Green and Wimbolton White) > Wow, got any pics of this ? I think my 73ish is a touch darker, but I've seen a 74 that I think was this combo ... Just my 2cents Bill Auto Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/cars.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/Trucks/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/Cars/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:19:58 -0600 From: John LaGrone Subject: FTE 61-79 - extra shift Adam, I don't know what engine you have, but if you have a 4 barrel carb on a V8, a lot of times the back barrels kicking in will feel like another shift, especially if they engage manually rather than on vacuum. They should have engaged around 75 mph or earlier if you were accelerating rapidly. If the linkage is out of adjustment, this could explain the late "shift". - -John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:23:45 -0600 From: John LaGrone Subject: FTE 61-79 - static electricity I had a thought about gas tank fillers. On my 79 there is a long section of rubber hose on the filler neck. The front one was forever rotting and Ford quit making it. The last time I replaced it I made a metal tube to go over the frame and used two straight pieces of rubber hose which were easy to locate. I thought that the rubber hoses were for vibration dampening between the frame mounted tank and the bed. Maybe those rubber hoses are static arrestors, too. - -John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:58:05 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - complant >I am not knocking on the FE's. I had one and it ran great. I was very happy >with it. But it was a 360. >it had about the same power as a 351W but weighed much more and would have >cost me more to build up. > This is true, but in switching you also had to switch trannies right ? I would have loved to switch over to a certain 351W that my dad built this spring (put it in a 69 Cougar and it runs great now!), but to do that I would have had to switch the tranny too, and a C6 for a 351W isn't the easiest thing to find ... so I could have switched the adapter to the transfer case with the transmission ... but then is the new tranny the same length ... At any rate, I think its going to be a lot cheaper to just rebuild the 390 I picked up cheap and bolt it in place of the 360 I have ... >If I was going to build an engine for a truck I would go for a bigger big >block. Small big blocks are no better then big small blocks. I believe this for cars, where the weight is more obvious, on my truck ( a full 8'bed and 4wd), I don't think the issue is the weight here. BTW when Dad got done with the 351W, it was actually a 362 if I remember right. (+0.060 bore) Just my 2cents Bill Auto Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/cars.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/Trucks/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.public.iastate.edu/~wish/Cars/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:14:45 -0800 From: Dennis Pearson Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 70 Truck Manuals Thanks for your message at 08:07 PM 12/10/98 -0500, The Freeman Family. Your message was: >I've been seeing a lot of truck manuals at ebay fairly cheap. I bought a >set for my '68 for $25. I paid nearly $100 for my old fairlane manuals. >Hope some one here gets a deal. I've included a link if anyone is >intrested. > >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=47676144 > Great! Send some people to bid against me...! Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA 1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C 1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed 1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) I shortened this to only FT's http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 12:48:37 -0800 From: "sam weatherby" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - complant >would have had to switch the tranny too, and a C6 for a 351W isn't the >easiest thing to find ... so I could have switched the adapter to the I think a small block C-6 will fit any small block. I didn't swap. That was an "If I was gong to ...". The truck ran Perfect, but need all new brakes and steering and the tranny was about gone. I sold it because I couldn't afford to fix it then. I was in college. >I believe this for cars, where the weight is more obvious, on my truck ( a >full 8'bed and 4wd), I don't think the issue is the weight here. How about room. If you are gonna fill your engine compartment you might as well have the cubes to go with it. Although it seems FE's still leave plenty of space. at least in my '75 it did. My point is that 360's aren't as often modified because you can turn that into a 390 (or 410?) easily and you will have more power. It makes perfect sense why people don't go around bragging bout 360's. I hear them described as adequate, not excessively powerful. >BTW when Dad got done with the 351W, it was actually a 362 if I remember >right. (+0.060 bore) Yep, and parts availability is much higher for a 351W than a 360. And a 390 has that extra displacement. I still so no reason to for a big time build up of a 360 when a 390 is just a stroke away. 352 seems to be the same scenario. A 360 is a nice engine. But a 390 is better. I don't imagine the extra 30 cubes makes much difference in mileage, but does in the power dept. I still think a 600" 460 based stroker would be nice... -srw == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 13:40:27 -0800 From: "Manuel Costa" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Larger tires Syber wrote: > Depends on how wide your rims are.. to go to a 12.50 width tire, you need a > minimum of a 8" rim... I think they are at least 7.5", and probably 8". Given that this thing is a three-speed standard transmission, would it bollux things up to go with 31" tires, or should I go through the effort of finding 30"? I know its only an inch, but smaller things than this have really screwed up vehicles for me in the past. Many thanks, M.C. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:57:47 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - rag joint John writes: >>Should the two plates be matched so that they fit snugly together or should the two "high" points be bolted together leaving space between them? High points together is the way I seem to remember. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:02:39 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - OD Adam writes: >> Could there be a sort of overdrive gear that I've never noticed due to a linkage(?) problem somewhere? Not in a C6!! You don't describe the engine and carb setup!!! Could it be that you have a 4bbl and the 2nd set of bbls kicked in???? Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:11:16 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - brands Mike writes: >>maybe we should buy ch##ys I'd rather walk. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:18:45 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - 460 Swap Pete & Shell write: >>1970 F-250 4x4 460 swap does anyone know where or how to get the proper motor mounts and/or frame perches to swap from a 360 to a 460? Any info would be greatly appreciated,thanks Can't get from FOMOCO. Have to buy from L&L. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:27:09 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Old faithful going on Greg writes: >>Well, after 7 years of absolutly faithful service, I'm passing the keys of my '77 351M F150 onto a friend. sorry to see ya getting out of "the best years of Ford Trucks" and going to the later model. I'm happy for you, actually, if that is what you want. Thanks for the favorable comment. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:28:48 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cluster Volt reg Ben writes: >>is a little metal box on the back of the gauge cluster. That is it. Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:31:46 -0500 From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - differences 360-390 Deacon writes: >>I thought the only difference between the two were the connecting rods and the crank. Naw--- Pistons too.(wrist pin location) Azie Ardmore, Al. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 14:52:50 -0800 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - brands >Mike writes: >>maybe we should buy ch##ys Azie replies: >I'd rather walk. Well, if you buy a ch#vy you should get plenty of opportunity for walking! On wednesday my neighbors S-10 came home on the back of a tow truck. I'll have to go up there this weekend and see what happened to it THIS time. Last spring when it came home on the hook it was a broken tranny... Funny thing is, he sold his beat up but totally reliable '74 F250 a couple years ago to buy the S-10. I told him it was a stupid thing to do at the time, but he said he was sick of Fords (?) and wanted a ch#vy, so I always make it a point to give him a real hard time when the S-10 breaks down, which is *plenty* often. (-: Steve http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- F. P. Jones == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:47:06 -0800 From: "O'Connor" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 66 Glove Box Spring Hi, Ever since we got our 66 F100, we have had trouble with the glove box. At first, the left side spring was missing and the lid would fall down. We bought a spring from Ford and they had superseded the left side part number to the right side. We put it in and tried to close the lid. Half way thru the stroke, the spring went into the hole in the dash and jammed. Returned the spring to Ford! Next, we bought a right and left hand set at Pigeon Forge. Same thing- the spring goes int the hole and jammed instead of pivoting. I did notice that the hole on the left side is bigger than the right side! Has anyone experienced this problem? What am I doing wrong? Tim 66 F100 W/352 Custom Cab SWB == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 17:07:59 -0800 From: Mike Pacheco Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Time machine was: "Eggs" in the Radiator you guys are youngsters.. heck I was driving in 69 sam weatherby wrote: > My dad was 18 in 69. He could a' drove! > -srw > > Sam Weatherby http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://insert.com/sammy > SWeatherby UsWest.Net A-SamWe Microsoft.com > '70 Grabber Sportsroof Mustang > '93 F-150 XLT Lightning > '98 HD FXD Super Glide > '78 Monarch > '65 F100 > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Beyer > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 10:22 AM > Subject: FTE 61-79 - Time machine was: "Eggs" in the Radiator > > >Well I just turned 9, my truck won't be built for 10 more years and I need > >to go watch Speed Racer at my buddies house... > > > >Later > > > >---------- > >> From: sdelanty sonic.net > >> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > >> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: "Eggs" in the Radiator > >> Date: Friday, December 11, 1998 9:59 AM > >> > >> > >> Groovy! I was gonna do an oil change on the truck this weekend, but > >since > >> Ford wont be building the truck for two more years, I guess the oil > >doesn't > >> need changing yet... > >> I hope Dennis can drive the bus, I'm only 10 and don't have my liscence > >yet! > >> > > > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 18:04:51 -0800 From: Mike Pacheco Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - brands I agree, walking might be the next choice. Going to go look at a 56 f-100 this weekend, I'll look for the usual stuff. Up here plenty of rust... Mike in Seattle am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote: > Mike writes: >>maybe we should buy ch##ys > > I'd rather walk. > > Azie > Ardmore, Al. > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 21:58:42 -0500 From: Tony Marino Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 70 Truck Manuals he he h- I REALLY want those manuals! 8-) Tony tony pscico.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony At 12:14 PM 12/11/98 -0800, you wrote: >Thanks for your message at 08:07 PM 12/10/98 -0500, The Freeman Family. >Your message was: >>I've been seeing a lot of truck manuals at ebay fairly cheap. I bought a >>set for my '68 for $25. I paid nearly $100 for my old fairlane manuals. >>Hope some one here gets a deal. I've included a link if anyone is >>intrested. >> >>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=47676144 >> > Great! Send some people to bid against me...! > > > >Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA > >1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C >1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed >1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood) > I shortened this to only FT's > >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 19:11:55 -0800 From: Steve & Rockette Leitch Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - brands At 17:11 11/12/98 -0500, you wrote: >Mike writes: >>maybe we should buy ch##ys > >I'd rather walk. > >Azie >Ardmore, Al. > I rather push a Ford than drive a Che*# let.... Steve & the Rockette == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:46:36 EST From: SHill48337 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - complant(Engine Weights) I have seen many different numbers for Ford engines weights and this has always bothered me. There is one place on the Web I have found to be fairly accurate when it comes to weights of all types of engines. It is, triumph.cs.utah.edu/sol/tech/engine.html , I will give you a few Ford engine weights from that list: 302-460#, Y-Block-625#, 351Cleveland-550#, 351 Windsor-510#, FE Engine-650#, 429/460-640#. There are a number of people I know who think the FE is lighter in weight than the 429/460, NOT SO!! I have booth disassembled in my shop right now. I can pick up the 460 block and set it on my work bench and I can not do that with the FE. Another clue comes from looking at the two blocks sitting side by side. There is much more metal on the lower end of the FE the entire main bearing area is completely enclosed by the block. The 460 to make an unpleasant comparison is constructed just like the Chevy small block. I will not argue that a FE with an aluminum intake manifold would weigh less but not very much less. Be careful there are a number of Web sites and for that matter printed materials that indicate the 429/460 is heavier. Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:51:48 EST From: SHill48337 aol.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Greetings:71 F100 302 Since the wires have just been replaced I would bet a considerable sum that two of them are interchanged on the plugs or cap. Burt Hill Kennewick, WA 1972 F250 4x4 460 == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 02:02:19 -0500 From: Walter Ford Subject: FTE 61-79 - question regarding tranny change I have a 1978 f-150 4x4 long bed, with a 351m and c6 tranny, and I guess np205 case. A few weeks ago, the tranny went bad, so I have been searching, but with no luck, for one that works. no parts trucks or anything by me, which is odd. well, anyways, I use this truck along with one other for a plow business, and we are expecting snow within a week, so I a basically stuck with installing a manual transmission (eek!!!!) it is from a 79 f-250. I am not sure of exactly what it is, but I know that it works, and is off of a 351m also. I know that this is alot of work, but I want to know if the transfer case will bolt up to the existing bracket, or if I will have to make new holes, and also if the drive shaft lenghts are different. I can take measurements if anyone needs them. Thank you very much in advance, as I intend on starting this project this weekend. walter == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Dec 1998 00:27:55 MST From: "Gear Guru" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '78 Bronco Emissions Paul, Sorry this took so long, I am in high school and work afterwards, not to much time for myself. anyway the guy i told you about is driving his 78 rancho, so he too needs the emmissions equip. Check the local parts stores and junk yards, maybe you will get lucky. the 78 broncos came with a smog pump, and a 2bbl carb. Good luck az Eric. ______________________________________________________.... To access the rest of this feature you must be a logged in Registered User Of Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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