61-79-list-digest Wednesday, December 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 553



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - FE390 flywheel wanted
FTE 61-79 - Re: F-Series--1964 6 Cylinder offerings
RE: FTE 61-79 - 6 cylinder engine in 64 F100
FTE 61-79 - FE390 Flywheel Wanted
FTE 61-79 - 71 and 72 seat differences
FTE 61-79 - F-150 seat covers
FTE 61-79 - 6 cylinder engine in 64 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Plastic Bedliner WARNING
Re: FTE 61-79 - water pump
Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 to 72 model seat differences
Re: FTE 61-79 - Serpentine Belt Conversion
Re: FTE 61-79 - M series flat tops
FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list-71 to 72 model seat differences
FTE 61-79 - Pwr steering
FTE 61-79 - Flywheel ring gear
FTE 61-79 - 300 six offering
Re: FTE 61-79 - M series flat tops
FTE 61-79 - Interesting Anti-Theft Method
FTE 61-79 - seat covers
FTE 61-79 - flipping seats
Re: FTE 61-79 - 300 six offering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Plastic Bedliner WARNING
Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 cu. in.
FTE 61-79 - Re: 71 and 72 seat differences
Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 to 72 model seat differences
Re: FTE 61-79 - flipping seats
FTE 61-79 - JCW Front Fenders
Re: FTE 61-79 - 300 six offering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Plastic Bedliner WARNING
FTE 61-79 - correct URL for speedliner
FTE 61-79 - carb for 300 six
FTE 61-79 - Transmission kick-down
Re: FTE 61-79 - Complete steering failure!
FTE 61-79 - intrument cluster
Re: FTE 61-79 - 6 cylinder engine in 64 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - 300 six offering
Re: FTE 61-79 - JCW Front Fenders
FTE 61-79 - Re: 6 cylinder engine in 64 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmission kick-down
Re: FTE 61-79 - Plastic Bedliner WARNING
Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmission kick-down
Re: FTE 61-79 - Plastic Bedliner WARNING
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 6 cylinder engine in 64 F100
FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list-71 to 72 model seat differences
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE390 flywheel wanted
FTE 61-79 - '67 Ford Truck Stolen, Returned 20 years Later
FTE 61-79 - Rear End Help

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 05:54:49 -0600
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE390 flywheel wanted

Isnt the ring gear pressed onto the flywheel? If so all you need to do
is buy a ring gear and have it put on. (Unless you can heat the gear up
untill its hot enough to drop on)
TheFORDMAN webtv.net wrote:
>
> hey all,
> i'm in need of a flywheel w/ good ring gear mine is eating up starters

John Lord wrote:
>Isnt the ring gear pressed onto the flywheel? If so all you need to do is
buy a ring gear and have it put on.
>(Unless you can heat the gear up untill its hot enough to drop on)

ditto. Never done a Ford, but one of those dang D(*&^n's:
1. Get new ring gear.
2. Whack old one several times between two teeth with a cold chisel and a
BIG hammer till it breaks.
3. Remove old ring gear.
4. Put old flywheel in freezer till COLD.
5. Put new ring gear in oven set as hot as it will get, and bake till at
that temp.
6. Put on THICK, WELL INSULATED GLOVES.
7. Remove flywheel from freezer and put on some safe supporting surface
(i.e. NOT the dining room table).
8. Remove ring gear from oven.
9. Place HOT ring gear on COLD flywheel. The temperature differential should
be enough to let it slide on, if not, place wood between ring gear and
hammer and whack it a few times.
10. Let it all come back to room temperature.

Should do it. Of course, it will then raise the question, how good are the
teeth on your starter compared to the nice new ones on your ring gear?

Jim E.



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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:25:03 EST
From: TBeeee aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: F-Series--1964 6 Cylinder offerings

At 01:37 AM 12/6/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Can anyone advise which 6 cylinder engines were available for the 1964
>model year. Also when was the 300 six first introduced?
>Thanks Greg
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For F-Series Pick-ups: In 1964, Ford offered the "Mileage Maker Six," a
223 ci.; an optional 262 ci was available as an option. The 300 ci was first
introduced in 1965 as an option. The standard that year was the 240 ci.
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:34:48 -0500
From: "Kenny Realph"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 6 cylinder engine in 64 F100

The first 300 was in 65. The 64 had a 262.
Kenny
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 07:57:00 -0500
From: j arnold
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE390 Flywheel Wanted

'TheFORDMAN webtv.net wrote:
>
> hey all,
> i'm in need of a flywheel w/ good ring gear mine is eating up starters
> .my engine is a
> 390 501 casting manual trans

It seems to me that the 390 was Ford's workhorse engine for about 20 years.
Construction, wreckers, dumps, all the heavy duty stuff was 390's with
standard trans. Every junkyard I've been to here (Kentucky) and in Texas
always had bunches of 390 flywheels lying around, usually pay about 15 or
20 dollars and you pick it. I use the same flywheel on 460's and everyone
I've seen was neutrally weighted (not balanced), One 0f the FE gurus can
tell you if that's always true. If so, the only difference between any
other flywheel and yours would be the hole position to bolt your pressure
plate on. Take it with you to junkyard, find one with good ringgear, and
matches your pressure plate and your in business.


Stoney

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 07:28:11 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 71 and 72 seat differences

>Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 21:40:55 EST
>From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 to 72 model seat differences
>
>As I recall, the seats are stationary if the truck has a cab fuel tank. Those
>with the tank under the bed had moveable seats.
>
>Darrell Duggan
>74 F-350 "Tweety"
Tweety,
My 71 has an in cab fuel tank and no secondary tank under the
bed........seat flips forward.
It was the early 70's when they built it.....reckon they partied to much the
night before?

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Humpty Dumpty was pushed!

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:15:41 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F-150 seat covers

>Hi all, anybody know where a guy can find a replacement seat cover for a
>Ford truck seat ? One that goes on the way the factory covers do,( FIT ) not
>a "slip over" unit from Wal-mart. The only ones I've seen that look even
>close are from Whitney. Anybody had any luck with those ? Or any others ?
>
Call Custom Interiors at 800-423-6053 and ask for a catalog. You will find
many of the better JCW covers come from them and are marked up quite a bit.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:15:40 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 6 cylinder engine in 64 F100

>>Can anyone advise which 6 cylinder engines were available for the 1964
>>model year. Also when was the 300 six first introduced?
>>Thanks Greg
>>
In '64 the standard 6-cylinder engine was a 223 and optional was 262.

>
>I'm pretty sure the first 300 was available in '70
>
According to the Ford Pickup Red Book the first year for the 300 was 1965.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:42:16 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Plastic Bedliner WARNING

>The static buildup from the PUMPING of
>gas into a plastic gas container in the bed
>of a plastic bedliner can cause a spark
>and ignite. Newspaper article where I get
>gas prominently posted concerning this
>subject.
>
>Fill plastic gas containers on the ground.
This is always good advice, wouldn't want to overflow and spill on your
truck would you ? :)

But I do have a question, how on earth do you get static build up with no
metal parts around ? I saw an article on some news show once about this,
and I didn't get it then either ... where does the spark come from ?
plastic to plastic ?

And as my smarta$$ EE office mate just said "by definition static
electricity can't start fires, its static!"



Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:53:23 -0600
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - water pump

David

Could these egg-like balls be a shipping peanut that got busted up going
through the water pump?


>When we went to drain some of the water out and add
>antifreeze, I noticed soft, round egg-like balls sitting in the top of the
>rad. There wasn't a whole lot there but there might have been more down
>inside the rad. While I had the truck sitting with water in it, I'm pretty
>sure the rad cap wasn't on most of the time. I had the hood installed at
>that point and never thought that perhaps some kind of insect might lay
>eggs in my rad. Engine heat hasn't seemed to have broken down those round
>egg things so I'm not sure what happened to all of them...probably in my
>heater core.
>
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:57:22 -0600
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 to 72 model seat differences

My 74 f350 has in cab fuel tank and the seat fold forward.



At 09:40 PM 12/7/98 EST, you wrote:
>As I recall, the seats are stationary if the truck has a cab fuel tank.
Those
>with the tank under the bed had moveable seats.
>
>Darrell Duggan
>74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 10:18:28 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Serpentine Belt Conversion

Thanks!!!! whats yer email address, i just get 61-79-list stuff...

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 09:54 PM 12/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I'll rip that Pully and clutch off tomorrow or Wed. Depends on the work
>schedule. As Far as I know Serpentines only have one idler pulley that is
>either adjustable, or spring loaded to keep tension on the belt. I don't
>remember which this on had as I just tore everything off I didn't need. Only
>saved the AC compressor on a whim. If you could send me an E-mail privately
>with your address I will Get that shipped off to ya, all I ask is you
>reimburse me for the shipping, the rest is a X-mas gift.
>
>Darrell Duggan
>74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:49:00 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - M series flat tops

If you read the buildup on the 400 in Hot Rod mag they shaved the heads
.025 to get the 9.45:1 CR with stock .030 over Kb Silv-0-Lite pistons.

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> From: luxjo thecore.com
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - M series flat tops
> Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 12:43 PM
>
> Dave
>
> If you remember we were talking about cams and V/P clearance a while
> back. Hopefully, I'll be doing my 400 build this winter. I'd like to get
> it up to 9.0:1 and was wondering about having the heads shaved. Would
> this be enough to increase comp that much. Also, how would shaving the
> head play into the max .490 cam lift you said I could og before I would
> need new valve springs? One final question, what do you think of cams
> rated off idle or 500 RPM to 4500 RPM. This truck, at this point, only
> sees severe off-road duty (deep mud) and driving back and forth to the
> trails

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 08:51:06 -0700
From: "Richard Currit"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list-71 to 72 model seat differences

>As I recall, the seats are stationary if the >truck has a cab fuel tank. =
Those
>with the tank under the bed had moveable >seats.

FWIW as a data point, my '72 F-100 has the gas tank behind the seat and =
the seat flips forward. It all appears to be original. How hard is it to =
install auxillary tanks? Where do you find them other than the bone =
yard?=20

High Plains Richard
'72 F-100=20

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:53:56 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pwr steering

Justin writes: >>Did power steering come out in 3 speed on the column
trucks

Don't know about early '70 vintages, but in 1976 they did... I knew of at
least 3 that had pwr steering and 3 sp on column. One was 302 - 2 were
360's.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:05:52 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Flywheel ring gear

Eric writes: >>i'm in need of a flywheel w/ good ring gear mine is eating
up starters .my engine is a 390 501 casting manual trans unit. any help
would be greatly appreciated.

Any decent parts place can get you a new ring for your flywheel, and any
local automotive machine/welding shop can take your old one off and install
the new one for you. Get on the phone and start calling around for the best
prices. Most automotive machine/welding shops will also order the ring for
you.

Azie
Ardmore, Al


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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 11:08:06 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 300 six offering

Tony writes: >>I'm pretty sure the first 300 was available in '70

My brother in law has a '64 F250 with 300 six and a '68 F600 with 300 six.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:17:07 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - M series flat tops

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> From: Dave Resch
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - M series flat tops
> Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 10:21 AM
>
> Yo Bill & Steve:
>
> When the 400 was introduced in 1971, it came w/ a flat top piston rated
for
> 9.0:1 compression, but I have not been able to find a major piston
> manufacturer that still makes an OEM replacement for the 1971 flat top
400
> piston.
>

I'd settle for a minor piston mfgr. How about custom?

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:20:05 -0500
From: adam.hicks ppctx.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Interesting Anti-Theft Method


My father never was too worried about having his older cars and
trucks stolen, but he'd always wire up a relay with a hidden switch
that intermingled the ignition with the horn, so when he left the
car, he'd reach under the dash or seat and flip the switch. Then
if anyone tried to turn the key, it would honk the horn each
time...

Also, somebody (and for some reason it seems like it was K&N oddly
enough) makes a heavy duty switch the runs inline with your
solenoid to open or close the circuit. Pretty simple, and you can
semi-hide the swith... it's a HEAVY duty thing made for that
purpose.

I have an aftermarket Gem-Tank on mine, so I just turn the gas off
(which somebody mentioned earlier, and I thank them for the idea,
as I had never thought of it!)

Adam
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:36:29 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - seat covers

pdesanto asked about seat covers

I have the diamond design velour covers from JC Whitney. They are designed
to tie on with strings so that you can get them off to wash them (ad says
machine washable). I put mine on with hog rings. If anyone messes them up,
I don't figure the blood would come out anyway (that's a joke, guys, a
joke). They fit well and look nice. I have had lots of compliments. They do
not cover the entire seat like a factory cover. Down around the hinge there
is some open area though very slight. They have been in the truck about two
years and have worn well so far. You will probably have to go to an
upholstery shop to find factory covers and they may have to be custom made.

I plan to get some more pictures on my web site at the end of December. I
have several interior shots and a before paint job shot. Sorry, I just
don't have time to post them before then.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 10:46:10 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - flipping seats

My theory is that it had something to do with the gas tank being behind the
seat. If you had a gas tank in the cab, the original seat probably wasn't
hinged. If the tanks were elsewhere, then the seat probably was hinged.
Again this is theory, but it holds true on GM trucks.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 12:28:12 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 300 six offering

Occasionally I open my mouth and stupidity flows out... Must be the stress
of college finals.

My humblest appologies.

Tony

At 11:08 AM 12/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Tony writes: >>I'm pretty sure the first 300 was available in '70
>
>My brother in law has a '64 F250 with 300 six and a '68 F600 with 300 six.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:31:46 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Plastic Bedliner WARNING

>>Fill plastic gas containers on the ground.
>This is always good advice, wouldn't want to overflow and spill on your
>truck would you ? :)

>But I do have a question, how on earth do you get static build up with no
>metal parts around ? I saw an article on some news show once about this,
>and I didn't get it then either ... where does the spark come from ?
>plastic to plastic ?

Yes, plastic to plastic. If there was any metal, then the static energy
can bleed away. If you don't believe that you can build a static charge
between two insulators, take some of your wife/girlfriends nylons and
rub your cat with them for a while. The static charge will make all those
little hairs stand right on end! And you can sometimes get a nice spark
between the tip of your finger and the tip of your cats ear. They *really*
hate that...

Don't refuel plastic gas cans in a plastic bed liner.

>And as my smarta$$ EE office mate just said "by definition static
>electricity can't start fires, its static!"

Uh huh. Tell that to a bolt of lightning... (-:


Steve
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty

Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to
recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones


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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:31:45 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240 cu. in.

At 04:53 PM 12/5/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Hi. I have a '67 F100 with a 240 in it. This summer I had to rebuild it and
>I had it bored out 60 over. What would the engine size be now.

Stock = 4.00"bore x 3.18" stroke = 239.77 CID
+ .060" = 4.06" x 3.18" = 247.01 CID

> Also I
>would like to learn how to get more power out of it.

There's definately more power available in the Ford big sixes...
The stock intake system is really horrible for performance. Get
a Clifford Performance catalog and look into a different intake
manifold with a 2-bbl or small 4-bbl carb. A nice cam and headers
along with the decent intake tract will make a big difference
in performance.

Steve
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Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to
recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones


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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 09:39:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 71 and 72 seat differences

Darrell claimed:
> As I recall, the seats are stationary if the truck has a cab fuel tank.
> Those with the tank under the bed had moveable seats.

And Stu countered:
> My 71 has an in cab fuel tank and no secondary tank under the
> bed........seat flips forward. It was the early 70's when they built
> it.....reckon they partied to much the night before?

Well, it's only a '70, but the back seat on my crew cab does flip
forward, and the only tank is in the cab. I was going to suggest
the flip seat was an option, but I don't believe any optional
equipment was installed on this truck (Custom Cab), except the
FE360.
- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 12:44:52 EST
From: bobherring juno.com (Bobby D Herring)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 to 72 model seat differences

I have a 72 short/wide with what I think is the original seat and the
behind
the seat tank and the top flips forward.

Bobby Herring
'64 F100 short-wide, was 292 Y-block/3speed,
motor in pieces, make me an offer
'72 F100 400/C6 in progress
'93 Ranger V6/Auto/Super cab

>From: Stu Varner
>I have been tearing apart SWMBO grandfather's '72 effie the last few
days
>and when I snatched the seat out, I noticed it does not flip forward
like
>the '71 model I have. A few months back I pondered buying a '72 LWB
while
>the '71 was being restored, I noticed the same thing. Just curious if
>others have noticed this difference. Anyone with an original seat from
a 71
>or 72 that doesn't work as I have described?? Anyone have a reason why
the
>seats changed at the end of 71??
>
>From: Mike Pacheco
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 to 72 model seat differences
>I don't know about 71, but my 72 seat flips forward, at least the top
half does.
>Mike in Seattle
>
>From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 71 to 72 model seat differences
>As I recall, the seats are stationary if the truck has a cab fuel tank.
Those
>with the tank under the bed had moveable seats.
>Darrell Duggan

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 12:12:08 -0700
From: "Larry Brown"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - flipping seats

I have had Ford trucks in '69, '70, 71, and '75 models and all had the
standard behind seat fuel tank and the seats flip foward. I do not think I
have seen a Ford truck seat that did not.
Just my experance of course.
Larry

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From: John LaGrone
To: Ford Trucks 61-79
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 1998 9:46 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - flipping seats


>My theory is that it had something to do with the gas tank being behind the
>seat. If you had a gas tank in the cab, the original seat probably wasn't
>hinged. If the tanks were elsewhere, then the seat probably was hinged.
>Again this is theory, but it holds true on GM trucks.
>
>
>-John
>
>jlagrone ford-trucks.com
>1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
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>Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 13:43:15 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - JCW Front Fenders

Little update on fenders I ordered from JCW. I had to refuse shipment on the
first set because of inadequate packaging...both fenders were bent pretty bad
when they arrived here. JCW automatically re-sent another pair....and guess
what....SAME DEAL. I called and cancelled my order and told them to package
their fenders better.....

Ordered another set from Mill Supply in Cleveland....not much more expensive,
but they say they are packaged better....I'll update when I get them. By the
way, the person and Mill Supply told me that virtually all of these "crash
parts" are now being made in Taiwan.....

Colorado Jeff


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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 14:15:27 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 300 six offering

Actually... What was the last year for the 240?

Tony

At 12:28 PM 12/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Occasionally I open my mouth and stupidity flows out... Must be the stress
>of college finals.
>
>My humblest appologies.
>
>Tony
>
>>Tony writes: >>I'm pretty sure the first 300 was available in '70

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 13:46:28 -0700
From: "Andrew W. Ford - Speaking For Myself"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Plastic Bedliner WARNING

sdelanty sonic.net wrote:

> >>Fill plastic gas containers on the ground.
> >This is always good advice, wouldn't want to overflow and spill on your
> >truck would you ? :)
>
> >But I do have a question, how on earth do you get static build up with no
> >metal parts around ? I saw an article on some news show once about this,
> >and I didn't get it then either ... where does the spark come from ?
> >plastic to plastic ?

The build up comes from electrical isolation from ground. Much like
rubber soled tennis shoes on carpet. The rubber tires
on vehicles insulate it from the ground. Ground leads on most pumps are
now internal, but there used be a few which add external ground straps from
the nozzle to the pump base - this created a ground path from the fuel filler
top to ground.

The reason that all gas pumps say "shut off engine" is because the ground
isolated battery can create charge too great for the ground path provided.


> Yes, plastic to plastic. If there was any metal, then the static energy
> can bleed away. If you don't believe that you can build a static charge
>

Clarification, if there was a metal path TO PUMP GROUND, the static
energy can bleed away.


> Don't refuel plastic gas cans in a plastic bed liner.

Or in a steel bed, either.


> >And as my smarta$$ EE office mate just said "by definition static
> >electricity can't start fires, its static!"

Remind him that static electricitiy is the potential for a shock, the shock
itself only happens when you put that potential in motion. 8^)


78 F150 Ranger 4x4 Supercab / 351M C6


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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 15:44:00 EST
From: Phazelag aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - correct URL for speedliner

I checked the address www.speedliner.com it is for Industrial polymers the
maker of speedliner. If your still having problems, do a web search for
speedliner, spray-on bedliners, or industrial polymers. I prefer Yahoo at
www.yahoo.com Good luck
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Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:22:30 -0700
From: Gene Gardner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - carb for 300 six

Anybody got an opinion (as if I didn't know) on the best kind of carb for
my 1970 F-100? I'm looking for practicality and reliability as opposed to
horsepower. It's got a remanufactured 300 inline six (early 80's vintage),
but the carb is the original Motorcraft 1-barrel with a manual choke and
oilbath air filter. The plate at the bottom (butterfly?) is shot and the
idle is variable, sometimes surging. I'd rather switch over to a paper
element air filter with the new carb since the bracket that holds the
oilbath is broken. How much should I expect to pay, what are the
considerations, etc.?

Thanks as usual -- Gene Gardner, Texican Teacher
Hermosillo, Mexico


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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 17:02:02 -0600
From: sjacobi fd9ns01.okladot.state.ok.us
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Transmission kick-down

I have got a '67 2wd F100 with a 460 and C-6 transmission. Since day one
it has not had a transmission kick-down lever. This is liveable with the
notable exception that the shift points are a little too soon when you
really jump on it. My Mopar co-worker claims that he has a kick-down cable
on his 727 tranny in his Coronet. He got it from a company called Lokar?
Does anyone have any experience and/or suggestions in this area? My
transmission guy said that he could build up one, but due to space problems
it wouldn't be easy. He gave me one of those looks like "don't ask me to
do this during Christmas".

Steve


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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:37:20 EST
From: TORO12332 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Complete steering failure!

does anyone know where I can get a hold of a steering box for a 79 f150 2wd?
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 18:02:11 -0600
From: "ben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - intrument cluster

In my '79 F-150 the oil, temp, and fuel gauge needles go all the way over
to one side until they hit and stop when the ignition switch is on. I tried
another instrument cluster that I knew worked but still the same. Checked
fuses too. Also where is the ground for the instrument cluster? Any help
would be appreciated. Thanks to Pat Brown for helping me out, because now
my dash lights work!!
Email--> stevee itis.com
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:20:52 -0500
From: Lord_Xaenon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 6 cylinder engine in 64 F100

At 04:36 PM 12/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm pretty sure the first 300 was available in '70
>
I think the first 300s were introduced in 1965. The 240 also debuted that
year, not only in the trucks but in the full-size Galaxies and Custom 500s
as the base engine.

Prior to that, most Ford trucks and full-sized cars had the 223 inline-six
as a base engine, which was first introduced in the 1952 model year, and was
also produced (if memory serves) in 215 and 262 cubic-inch configurations.

Incidentally, that 223 was Ford's first production OHV engine. The first
Ford production OHV V8 followed in 1954, though Lincoln had an OHV V8 in
1952.

Mark





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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:29:53 -0500
From: Lord_Xaenon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 300 six offering

At 02:15 PM 12/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Actually... What was the last year for the 240?

In trucks, 1973 (allegedly it was still available until 1979, but I can't find
anything to support that).

Mark.

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 19:24:36 -0600
From: Ed Mulligan
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - JCW Front Fenders

Very odd. . .

My dad ordered a fender for his (non-Ford) pickup and it arrived no problem
the first time. It looked fine on the truck once it was painted at the
local vo-tech.

I'd order from them unless I was doing a real restoration where I wanted
actual factory parts. $50 was a good price for a fender.

Ed



At 01:43 PM 12/8/98 EST, BDIJXS aol.com wrote:
>Little update on fenders I ordered from JCW. I had to refuse shipment on the
>first set because of inadequate packaging...both fenders were bent pretty bad
>when they arrived here. JCW automatically re-sent another pair....and guess
>what....SAME DEAL. I called and cancelled my order and told them to package
>their fenders better.....


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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 17:25:13 -0700
From: "Jeff Carver"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 6 cylinder engine in 64 F100

Here are all the engines found in the official 1964
100-350 series Ford repair manual:
Six cylinder
144
223
262
Eight cylinder
292

Just for yucks and grins here are the Engine
Codes in case the ID plate is still there and
you want to know what was original.
J = 223-IV
B = 262-IV
C = 292-2V
S = 144-IV
4 = 220-Diesel Ford (DGHM)
Low Compression
I = 223-IV
K = 144-IV
L = 292-2V

I don't know what IV or 2V mean.
Hope that helps.
I'd be pleased to provide other 1964
data as found in this nifty book.

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab w/ 292 V8
** ** ** ** ** ** ** ** **
Can anyone advise which 6 cylinder engines were available for the 1964
model year. Also when was the 300 six first introduced?
Thanks Greg




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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 21:02:08 -0500
From: cannandale netpointe.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmission kick-down

They are really pretty simple to make, If you can find one that matches on
somebody elses vehilce, you can bend one out of some small conduit, or any
kinda pipe that will bend with a tool.. thats what I done..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 06:11 PM 12/8/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I have got a '67 2wd F100 with a 460 and C-6 transmission. Since day one
>it has not had a transmission kick-down lever. This is liveable with the
>notable exception that the shift points are a little too soon when you
>really jump on it. My Mopar co-worker claims that he has a kick-down cable
>on his 727 tranny in his Coronet. He got it from a company called Lokar?
>Does anyone have any experience and/or suggestions in this area? My
>transmission guy said that he could build up one, but due to space problems
>it wouldn't be easy. He gave me one of those looks like "don't ask me to
>do this during Christmas".
>
>Steve
>
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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 21:09:45 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Plastic Bedliner WARNING

>
>But I do have a question, how on earth do you get static build up with no
>metal parts around ?

You don't need metal. Lightning is a great example. Or running
on the carpet with socks or combing your hair with a plastic
comb.

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 18:30:07 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Transmission kick-down

Try a kick down out of a '79 Ford Van with a 460 and C6 (There may be
other years with the C6, but there are lots of those vans in wrecking
yards). I was just replacing the neutral safety switch on mine and it
ocurred that this might be an option for you.

Tim Bowman
'71 Sport Custom & a whole stable of FOMOCO's

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 20:41:36 -0600
From: Michael Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Plastic Bedliner WARNING

>But I do have a question, how on earth do you get static build up with no
>metal parts around ? I saw an article on some news show once about this,
>and I didn't get it then either ... where does the spark come from ?
>plastic to plastic ?
>Bill

Falling gas produces static electricity. A chemistry major could explain
the therory (any on the list?). I know how it is formed, but I can't quite
explain it (need those technical terms and names). Pretty much the same
way we get lightning.

Hope that helped,

Mike

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Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 18:58:05 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 6 cylinder engine in 64 F100

Thanks for your message at 05:25 PM 12/8/98 -0700, Jeff Carver. Your
message was:
>I don't know what IV or 2V mean.

1 barrel or 2 barrel carb.



Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 19:32:35 -0800
From: rsas juno.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list-71 to 72 model seat differences

I am only catching a glimps of your conversation, but my 64' F100 has the
gas tank behind the seat, and it also has a hinged seat that also slides
forward. It is origional. I appologize, I don't know what year you are
referring to.


Randy
Bellingham, WA
64 Ford F100.

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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 22:35:44 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE390 flywheel wanted

As already mentioned by a list member replacing the gear is within most
peoples capabilities. Last winter I replaced one on a 360, after I broke the
old gear off, I talked my wife into letting me heat the new gear in the oven
at 450 for 30 minutes (same size as a pizza and the new gear is clean). At
the same time I had the flywheel in the deep freeze. The deep freeze is in
the basement, I did not think it prudent to tell my wife that part. Away
after 30 minutes I removed the gear from the oven with my wife's hot pads and
sat it in place on the flywheel. I had to wait a while for the temperatures
to equalize to lock the gear in place. It took about 10 minutes before the
gear was locked onto the wheel tight enough for me to move it without it
falling off. Makes me think the deep freeze may not be necessary. New
starter ring gear cost $25 at NAPA. If you have a small grinder you can use
that to weaken the gear to the point where it will break very easily. Have
fun.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F-250 4x4 460
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