61-79-list-digest Thursday, December 3 1998 Volume 02 : Number 545



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - F-100 Steering wheels
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360-390 help please
Re: FTE 61-79 - welding body panels?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360-390 help please
Re: FTE 61-79 - Crew cabs for sale
Re: FTE 61-79 - New member, New Truck, Bunch of Q's
FTE 61-79 - various
FTE 61-79 - Re: Idiot Lights
RE: (Archive Copy) RE: (Archive Copy) Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana-60 fulltime front axle to partime conversion
FTE 61-79 - Full Time Hubs

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 22:32:05 EST
From: CCSSportz aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-100 Steering wheels

In a message dated 12/2/98 9:45:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mrm medicine.wisc.edu writes:


"help" section of your favorite parts store for around $5. >>

What else is involved in a rag joint? Why are they so expensive but the rubber
part only 5 bucks, there has to be alot more to it.

Thanks,
- -Shawn
& 'ZILLA
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:07:10 -0500
From: Lord_Xaenon
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360-390 help please

At 09:39 AM 12/2/98 -0600, you wrote:
>Thanks to everyone that helped me out with this. I was able to take the
oil pan off

No problem at all; I'm just sorry it turned out the way it did. If I might ask,
who sold you the engine? Post the name of this outfit (or person) and we'll all
be the wiser. If it's a business, you might have legal recourse,
particularly if
you have documents stating that it's a 390. You might have legal recourse also
if it's an individual, but that is usually a little harder.

I wouldn't take it lying down, fa'sure. This guy would have my figurative (and
perhaps literal) size-12 wedged in his butt.

Keep us posted, 'kay?

Mark


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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 22:38:58 -0700
From: "Larry Brown"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - welding body panels?

You might try the Eastwood catalog, they have a variaty of unique automotive
tools.
Their phone number is:
800-345-1178
Web address:
www.eastwoodco.com
I seem to remember them having a couple of flangers
Larry

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Dale and Donna Carmine
To: Ford Trucks
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 6:35 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - welding body panels?


>>Looking for some quick advise. Anyone here welding in a replacement rust
>>repair panel? I'm curious if tacking in a sheet metal strip, say 1" wide,
>>behind the length of the weld would help with the butt weld of the
>panels....
>>Colorado Jeff
>
>In the past I have always done lap joints, but that creates more finish
work
>and is not pro quality. Does anyone know where to find a cheapo panel
>flanger that will work with an air hammer? They just sold a snap-on
flanger
>on ebay, but SCJ460 Randy bid the price way too high for me! :-)
>
>later,
>dale c
>'79 f150, 351M
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Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:12:20 EST
From: CCSSportz aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360-390 help please

In a message dated 12/2/98 11:13:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, xaenon one.net
writes:


(and
perhaps literal) size-12 wedged in his butt >>

Mark had it right here...... Tell us what kind of documentation you have from
the purchace, and who and where are these guys. Anywhere near me? I'll go have
a Talk......
I may be only 16, but no offense Mark, I don't know how old you are but I am
6'5", and a size 15 with a nice set of boots that would leave a tatoo if you
will, on an impressionable forehead. But that's just me - I'm not a violent
person..............but I will kick your butt if I gots 'ta........... :o)
Was this a company, or an individual?

- -Shawn
& 'ZILLA ........ will leave this guy lookin like a road pizza......... :o)
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:11:29 -0700
From: "Jeff Carver"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Crew cabs for sale

This phone number is in Alta, California. About 40 miles
east of Sacramento on Hiway 80.
I'd be happy to join someone in a looky-loo.

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab swb
(well short for a crewcab, but long for a regular truck)
Grass Valley, CA (about 1 hour away from the Crews)
and no time(or $) for any other projects . . . bummer
the '68 would be intriguing, specially since I have a swb.
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I have noticed lately sevral people wanting crew cabs to restore and work on.
(Especially Jeff with the 1964 Crew) I found this last night in the Dec.
1998 issue of Hemmings.....here it is. Same guy has both trucks listed.

FORD 1977 F-250 crew cab 4x4, Dana 60 Front, 460 V8, ps, pb, aftermarket
air, 4 speed,
no rust, RARE, $6,900.00

530-389-8675 California

Wish I was a little closer, that just about takes care of what I'd like to
have in a truck. Anyone close by this guy clould take a look at it, I may
have to road trip over Xmas holidays.....


Here is another Crew Cab listed in Hemmings - same feller,

FORD 1968 Crew Cab swb, 360 4 speed, doesn't run, needs restored no rust,
rare, $550.00

530-389-8675 California


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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:52:45 -0800 (PST)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New member, New Truck, Bunch of Q's

William S Hart wrote:

> I'm no expert here, but if the rotors aren't warped I don't
> think there would have been that much heat built up, when you
> change the pads you should get a good idea of what kind of
> shape the caliper is in. Also try bleeding a little and see
> what the fluid looks like ... if its black you may want to
> flush the whole system with fresh fluid.

I am sure I will be gettin a good look at the fluid once I get
the proportioning valve installed.

> I looked at installing a kit like this, if you take it easy it
> still shifts really hard ?

You have to really go easy to get a smooth shift. I just don't
drive that way.

> You might check the kick down linkage on the carburetor, maybe
> if you loosen that up a bit it won't wait as long to shift,
> then it'll have smoother shifts without changing the kit.

I guess the bottom line is I just don't think it belongs in a
truck like this. If it was a car set up for street racing it
would be ideal, but not a 4X4 truck.

> Wow, sounds like it might be pretty stiff back there ... the
> air shocks probably aren't helping, try airing them down (if
> they have any left in them) and see if things change much.

Yeah, I think you have to keep a minimum of about 25psi in
them and they are at 15 right now. I think they are going to
go eventually. I am pretty sure the overload springs don't
take effect until the truck is loaded down.

Does your '73 have any blocks between the springs and axle?

> If you have any comments on how your 390 runs I'd love to hear
> them, I'm workin on buildin one and am always looking for
> suggestions for more torque!

I am very happy with the motor. I don't really have anything to
compare it to so I don't know if it is more torquey than stock.
I get 11-12 mpg, more if strictly highway driving. I have towed
a 3000 lb boat and trailer on mountain roads very comfortably.
When you get on it it has plenty of top end and has a really nice
sound. I expect the F-100 is a bit lighter so it should be lots
of fun with this motor in it.

Mark (in digest mode)
'74 F-250 Supercab
'74 F-100 4X4 WooHoo!
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:54:34 -0800 (PST)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - various

am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:

> Mark writes: >>How hard
> would it be to swap the entire stock valve body from the 250?
> Is the valve body the same for 2WD/4WD C6 transmissions?

> If both are C6 you can swap them out.

Excellent. I hope the future new owner of my old truck likes
the shift kit. :)

> No. Wiring harnesses and connectors at the clusters are different.

I was afraid of that. At least I won't have to dig the shunt out
of the harness to fix the ammeter.

Mark (in digest mode)
'74 F-250 Supercab
'74 F-100 4X4

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 23:56:44 -0800 (PST)
From: draco pacifier.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Idiot Lights

"J.S.H." wrote:

> Went through this with my 76.It's a real SOB to convert to gauges and
> when you finally get it done you have gauges that are inaccurate at
> best.I would keep the idiot lights and install aftermarket gauges

I am the one who posted the original question. I totally agree.
I have no desire to go tearing out the harnesses especially since
the F-250 dash is full of air conditioning ducts. It would also
be nice to have gauges that actually have numbers on them.

Mark (in digest mode)
'74 F-250 Supercab
'74 F-100 4X4


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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 03:03:39 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: RE: (Archive Copy) RE: (Archive Copy) Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana-60 fulltime front axle to partime conversion

AARGH!! STOP SHOUTING AT ME!!! 8-) *slap!*

He he he- Yeah, I know the difference between a 60 and a 44, I've got three
44's in 3 trucks I own and have 2 60's. All of which I've had apart, and
bought parts for! (grin) I'll put the pic's up this weekend!

Tony

At 05:39 PM 12/2/98 -0800, you wrote:
>hOW MANY SPLINES ARE ON THE AXLES I DONT BELIEVE DANA MADE A 60 SERIES
>FRONT END IN THE EARLY SEVENTIES. TRY TO FIND THE BILL OF MATERIAL NUMBER
>OFF THE HOUSING I CAN THEN TELL YOU EXACTLY WHAT HE HAS. THE HD44 DOES LOOK
>LIKE A 60 BUT THEY ARE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. I HAVE A 73 F250 WITH THE HD
>FRONT END. THE KING PIN BEARINGS LOOK LIKE THEY ARE WHEEL BEARINGS FOR A
>2WD TRUCK AND THE INNER AND OUTER WHEEL BEAINGS ARE 2 DIFFERENT SIZES WITH
>THE INNER LOOKING MORE LIKE A FULL FLOATER WHEEL BEARING ON THE REAR.
>PRETTY GOOD SETUP EXCEPT THE KNUCKLE SEALS ALWAYS LEAK A LITTLE NO MATTER
>WHAT YOU DO. IF YOU CAN GET THE BILL OF MATERIAL NUMBER SHOULD BE ON THE
>HOUSING BUT ON MOST OLDER UNITS HAS BEEN ON A TAG ATTACHED TO THE COVER
>LIKKE A HOLD DOWN PLATE. ALSO ON THE WEBBING BETWEEN THE CARRIER PART OF
>THE HOUSING AND THE AXLE PART OF THE HOUSING YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO FIND AN
>IDENTIFIER THIS WILL TELL YOU IF IT IS A 44 OR 60.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Tony Marino [SMTP:tony pscico.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 1:40 PM
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Subject: (Archive Copy) RE: (Archive Copy) Re: FTE 61-79 - Dana-60 fulltime
>front axle to partime conversion
>
>Yeah, I never would have believed it either, until my friend bought that
>truck and for sure when I saw the other one. Definitly 60's. When we
>ordered new ring/pinion bearing and seals kits the only person who carried
>the stuff was Winer Motors (people who I have mentioned before) and they
>said something about it being a special "military setup" option from the
>factory in the early seventies that you could get this particular style of
>from axle. I don't have any literature to verify this, but.....
>
>Tony
>
>At 02:57 PM 12/2/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>I have never heard of a dana 60 with external lockout hubs and closed
>>knuckle. This was actually a dana 44 HD same as I have. Drum Brakes and
>all
>>and in 75 or 76 there was a dana 44 with disk brakes and the External
>Hubs.
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Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 01:43:38 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Full Time Hubs

"that's
where I was curious if I bought a warn lockout kit (if they even make
them
for the large hub design) would bolt into this fulltime system somehow-"

My 76 F-250 has a 44 open knuckle disk brake front differential that
was originaly full time 4x4.I put a set of Warn hubs on it years ago.
If they are still available I would recommend a set. I have a Trac-Lock....

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