61-79-list-digest Wednesday, December 2 1998 Volume 02 : Number 543



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Replace the whole floor?
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue
Re: FTE 61-79 - F-100 Steering wheels
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Dana 60 semi-float 5 lug
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue
FTE 61-79 - Re: ADMIN: list split issue
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue
FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 semi-float 5 lug
Re: FTE 61-79 - New member, New Truck, Bunch of Q's
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue
FTE 61-79 - cab mounts
FTE 61-79 - Sawzall Solves It All! Or How Big Is That Spring?
FTE 61-79 - Vacuum advance question
FTE 61-79 - water pump
FTE 61-79 - only FE's built in 1967
RE: FTE 61-79 - 5 lug 16.5s -
FTE 61-79 - 360-390 help please
Re: FTE 61-79 - F-100 Steering wheels
Re: FTE 61-79 - F-100 Steering wheels
FTE 61-79 - sawzall applications?? he he
Re: FTE 61-79 - Sawzall Solves It All! Or How Big Is That Spring?
FTE 61-79 - reply to sender, Address is known ?
RE: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - Replace the whole floor?
FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 List split issue
FTE 61-79 - To Heater core, or not to Heater core?
RE: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 List split issue
RE: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - 360-390 help please
Re: FTE 61-79 - To Heater core, or not to Heater core?
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue
FTE 61-79 - 390/410 rods
Re: FTE 61-79 - 360-390 help please
FTE 61-79 - various
FTE 61-79 - New '66 Ford owner...needing advice/help
FTE 61-79 - springs
FTE 61-79 - New '66 Ford owner...needing advice/help
Re: FTE 61-79 - F-100 Steering wheels
RE: (Archive Copy) Re: FTE 61-79 - 360-390 help please
RE: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - springs
RE: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - New '66 Ford owner...needing advice/help
Re: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - springs

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 04:39:49 -0600
From: "myshop"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Replace the whole floor?

I have heard from a co-worker that you can purchase whole floor panels for
my 65 and 66 F100's and have them welded in.

I guess you remove seat, tank, shifter if any, etc. and r&r the whole floor.

Does any one know if this is so and what company carries the whole floor?
I'm not even sure if it's all one piece. About how much would something like
that cost?

While I'm on the subject of floors...I have been into the 65 F100 craze for
a little while now and stop every one I see in a parking lot etc. Seems like
95% of the ones that are almost all original and in great shape, their floor
has a few welded or riveted panels in it. Is that because of water under the
truck, corrosion, and no undercoating?

Appreciate any feedback...

+
+AL+

2 - 65 F100's and maybe 1 66!

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:39:25 -0600
From: "James Elliott"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue

>Take the pre61 list and make it a 56 and earlier list.
>Make a new list covering the 57-64 and the 61-79 list
>would then cover 65-79.
>
>Your opinions are welcome.

>I would rather see the 61-66 body style stay in one group if possible.
>That would make the 67-79 a group.

I can see merits to either of these approaches. It is my understanding
though that the 65-66 were much clooser to the 67 and later in the
suspension than to earlier models, while 67 was a definite departure due to
earlier years in body style. Personally, my preference has always been to
see the 67-72 and 73-79 stay together due to the amount of interchange from
the later group to the former. I have found the info invaluable in
considering upgrades or repairs for my '69.

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:55:21 -0500 (EST)
From: jdklaers mailhost.magicnet.net (PredFan)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-100 Steering wheels

The problem is that there is a gap between the steering wheel and the
blinker assembly below it of about 3/4 inch. There is no tell ing what the
previous owner did to cause this. I thought it might be because I had the
wrong wheel on it....which I did, but replacing it with the correct one
didn't fix it.

Thanks
John

>I missed what the origional problem was. Sorry, Let me know, Please I'd
>be gald to help.
>Jerald
>Wyoming
>Mr. Ranger

>>>I have a 71 Ford Ranger, But I don't have the mesurements, but I know
>>>Ford had two different size wheels. One for the plane jane and one
>for
>>>a packaged deals.
>>>
>>
>>Thanks for the reply. I now have the right steering wheel. It's the one
>>with the single bar accross and has the rubber horn pad in it.
>>
>>Unfortunately that has not solved my problem.
>>
>>Thanks
>>John
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:13:43 -0500 (EST)
From: jdklaers mailhost.magicnet.net (PredFan)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue

Also Ken, give us the ability to reply directly to the sender of the
message instead of posting each reply to the entire list.

Just a suggestion!

John


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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:37:53 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: Dana 60 semi-float 5 lug

Drew Beatty wrote:
>
> Hey Ox, I have one that came stock on my '67. I didn't even know it until Colorado Jeff dialed me in to the info.
>

So I guess they were for quite a number of years?

OX
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:44:25 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> Mail traffic is making it fairly obvious that this list
> is going to have to be split up soon.

What is an acceptable amount of traffic for this mailing list?

> Take the pre61 list and make it a 56 and earlier list.
> Make a new list covering the 57-64 and the 61-79 list
> would then cover 65-79.

What changed in 65?


OX
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 05:53:30 PST
From: "Park Hunter"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: ADMIN: list split issue

To me, the 61-66 body style list makes sense. However, I'll bow to the
experts on mechanicals who suggest 64- and 65+ split. My questions are
mostly of a mechanical nature.

Park Hunter
'64 F100 stakebed
223 six, 4-speed

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 06:16:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Arlene Mason
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue

The 65-79 covers my favorite Ford trucks, as they do have a lot in
common.

Arlene

- ---myshop wrote:
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> >> Take the pre61 list and make it a 56 and earlier list.
> >> Make a new list covering the 57-64 and the 61-79 list
> >> would then cover 65-79.
> >>
> >> Your opinions are welcome.
>
>
> I like the idea of 65-79!
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> 2 - 65 F100's
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:30:57 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Dana 60 semi-float 5 lug

OX, I just bought a '68 Ranger parts truck and it has a strange rear-end in
it. It has a bolt-on rear cover on it with a drain plug. Could this be a
Dana 60 semi-float you are referring to? The center section isn't as big
as the Dana 60 full-floater I took out of my '68 F250. Will it still have
a "60" stamped in the case? How can I id this rearend? TIA.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:33:06 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New member, New Truck, Bunch of Q's

>I love the '73-'75 body style and I have just bought my dream
>truck. It is a 1974 F-100 Ranger XLT Longbed 4WD with a 360
>or 390, C6, NP203 w/part time kit. The body is in pretty good
>shape with some minor surface rust and all of the trim present
>except for the pieces around the taillights. The tailgate is
>in bad shape. I went over the body with a magnet and couldn't
>find any bondo to speak of other than a little bit under the
>left taillight. The undersides of the cab and bed have no
>rust at all. The owners manual was in the glove box!
>
Sounds like a nice truck :)



>Disk Brakes
>
>A PO put front disks on it but apparently didn't know about
>the need for the proportioning valve. I don't know how long
>he was driving it around like this. Would the damage from
>the brakes dragging be isolated to the pads and rotor or
>could heat have ruined something in the calipers? The truck
>stops really well and the rotors don't seem to be warped.
>What should I look for?
>
I'm no expert here, but if the rotors aren't warped I don't think there
would have been that much heat built up, when you change the pads you
should get a good idea of what kind of shape the caliper is in. Also try
bleeding a little and see what the fluid looks like ... if its black you
may want to flush the whole system with fresh fluid.



>Shift Kit
>
>The PO also installed a shift kit using the "stage II" parts.
>I guess this is street/strip calibration. It shifts really
>hard and does not feel good for the driveline or particularly
>good for slippery conditions like ice. What is the concensus
>on this?
>
I looked at installing a kit like this, if you take it easy it still shifts
really hard ? You might check the kick down linkage on the carburetor,
maybe if you loosen that up a bit it won't wait as long to shift, then
it'll have smoother shifts without changing the kit.

>If I want to go back to "stage I" (RV calibration) can I buy
>another kit and do it over? Do you have to do any drilling
>in the valve body when installing a kit in a C6? If so is
>the hole that is drilled any bigger for stage II? How hard
>would it be to swap the entire stock valve body from the 250?
>Is the valve body the same for 2WD/4WD C6 transmissions?
>
Not sure on this, but it seems like the kit I was looking at didn't need to
do much inside the tranny very far, the whole thing could be done without
pulling the tranny, so I wouldn't think it would be too hard to undo,
though whoever made the kit (if you know) can probably give you better info
about this sort of thing.


>Instrument Cluster
>
>The 250 has ammeter and oil pressure gauges, the 100 has idiot
>lights. I have the correct senders on the motor but will the
>wiring harness be the same so I can just swap clusters?
>
You will need to swap the sending units too, but they should both run the
same, since for one the wire only carries the current when there's a
problem (or during start up) and for the other it carries it the whole time
in smaller amounts, I don't see where there would be a problem. As for the
ammeter, well I think that's got its own circuit on the back of the
instrument cluster, so it should work just fine no matter where you put it.

>Instrument Voltage Regulator?
>
>The fuel gauge reads 1/2 when empty and full when 1/2. The
>Temp gauge pegs when you turn the key on whether you ground
>the sender or not. Does this sound like the regulator is
>shorted? Where can I get a new regulator. The kid at the
>local NAPA never heard of it. I waited about 10 minutes to
>talk to the older guy, lost my patience and left. He knows
>heck of a lot and likes to talk.
>
Can't help you here, but switching the gauge pods will probably answer that ...

>Saddle Tank
>
>The 250 has an auxiliary saddle tank which is going on the 100.
>Would the wiring harness in the dash of a truck that did not
>come with one have the wires for the fuel gauge switch? Will
>I find wires under the truck for the sender?
>
You probably won't find the wires under the truck, I have them, but mine
was put together from about 3 different trucks and people keep plugging in
the second tank sending unit (I don't have one!) into the transfer case,
so every time I put it in 4, the fuel gauge pegs. I guess that would lead
me to believe that either a) the guy who put my truck together really
screwed up the wiring. or b) the wiring for the second tank isn't there in
the dash otherwise it wouldn't ground out, it would just sit there where it
was before ...


>Rear Lift Blocks
>
>There are a couple of blocks between the leaf springs and the
>axle. They are about 2" thick and have the "wings" that point
>toward the differential. I have seen these on other Ford
>trucks. Are they original? This truck has the blocks,
>overload springs above the leaf springs, and air-shocks.
>The backend is really bouncy but I can deal with that later.
>
Wow, sounds like it might be pretty stiff back there ... the air shocks
probably aren't helping, try airing them down (if they have any left in
them) and see if things change much.


Sounds like you've got a good truck there. Good luck with it!

If you have any comments on how your 390 runs I'd love to hear them, I'm
workin on buildin one and am always looking for suggestions for more torque!


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 06:36:10 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue

Thanks for your message at 08:13 AM 12/2/98 -0500, PredFan. Your message was:
>Also Ken, give us the ability to reply directly to the sender of the
>message instead of posting each reply to the entire list.
>
I think it's already there. Just cut and paste the sender's address into
your to: slot... : )

I can't imagine asking more of Ken than he has already provided us. At the
risk of being sentimentally sloppy, this is by far the best, most
efficiently administered list-serve I know of. It also has the most
knowledgeable and congenial contributors....there!

Now, re: the split. I must confess having a personal reason for my
suggestion based on body style--I own a 62 and a 66. I have had a 67, 68
and 81, not counting countless 48-52s. My feeling is (and it is, I admit a
feeling--more pathos than logos) that there is more of a contiguous
relationship between the 61- 66 than the 65-7whatever...The reason I
suggested body style differentiation was as an obvious convenient criterion
of classification. Basing a division on mechanical relationships gets IMHO
very muddy, indeed. The Twin-I beam marks the most obvious
mechanical/suspension change, which I admit, comes in 1965. This seems to
be the dominant and prevalent mechanical change, though. Should we base a
split solely upon the type of front suspension? There is an overlap of
engines and drivetrain through all these years. (Thisis where I hold my
breath. There are many of you with a larger knowledge base than I.)

Finally I agree with an earlier poster who admitted getting more of value
from the later model postings. I, too, will probably have to subscribe to
two lists to keep up if the division happens between 64 and 65. However,
even if that happens, I still plan on gleaning bits of information from the
most car/truck-smart bunch of people in cyberspace! Thanks for being
there, y'all. (Where did that come from? Oh yeah, I live in Southern
Washington State.)


Dennis Pearson in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's

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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 06:42:36 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue

I like the way you split it. Is there enough interest to split
the 67-72 into it's own group since that body style is quite
popular?

Tim Bowman
'71 Sport Custom

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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 09:49:55 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue

Arlene Mason wrote:
>
> The 65-79 covers my favorite Ford trucks, as they do have a lot in
> common.
>

If the people unhappy with traffic have 65 and up trucks, they will be
unhappy with the new list also. 90% of what I see is 65 and up stuff,
unless I'm missing something. If 65 and up are mechanically the same,
I'd be open to that change, although I'd miss some of the really good
general knowledge from many pre-65 truck owners.

As I've said in the past, I think it's lose-lose no matter how you do
it, but I guess if it has to be done?? Is there any way we can try more
RTP (return to poster) on the more simple/beat to death questions first,
before we split. I hate having mailing lists setup that when you hit
return mail, it returns to orig poster, but it does make you think if
you need to return the post to the whole list or not.

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:00:48 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - cab mounts

Hey Drew,

I'm working on a 77 at the moment. Yes, I need both the rubber pads and the
big metal "washers" that go with them. When they are originally installed, the
upper and lower "washers" have slightly tapered sleeves that fit together
through the hole in the frame (or frame bracket). If this tapered area or the
upper "washer" becomes a little rusty, they are pretty tough to get out
without ruining them. Thanks for the tip on Dennis Carpenter....guess I'll
have to try to track down one of thier catalogs.....

Thanks again!

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:00:41 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Sawzall Solves It All! Or How Big Is That Spring?

Hey Don,

I'll bet you can swap in a set of 250 springs. You know how it is though, the
springs 77 and older were the 2-1/4" wide on the 4x4's, but I think they
converted to the 3" springs on the 4x2's earlier. Sounds like you already
converted your shackles/spring mounts to 3"????

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:08:20 -0600 (CST)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Vacuum advance question

Don Screen [dscreen ix.netcom.com] wrote (generously edited):
engine seems to run fine with the base timing set at 8 degrees BTDC
and the vacuum advance mechanism disabled by plugging vacuum input
to it. I had tried running ported vacuum to it through the TVS but with the
vacuum advance hooked up the engine knocks badly as the accelerator
is depressed.

Two suggestions:

Is 8 deg BTDC the spec? If you get closer to TDC can you get a
suitable idle and eliminate the knock on advance?

Perhaps the diaphram in the vac advance module is broken?

Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 09:15:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - water pump

I assumed they were hooked up properly as I was going by my
>buddy's 79. But it just dawned on me that he has an early 80's 302 from a
>Grand Marquis that has a serpentine belt setup. Perhaps that water pump
>outlets are a little different...

I thought the serpentine set up water pumps went the opposite direction
(reverse rotation) ??
Am I crazy or whut?? DON"T ANSWER THAT!
Stu
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 09:19:55 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - only FE's built in 1967

>I wouldn't worry too much about that. The part number deciphers to a
>1967 full-size Ford; the only FEs available that year were 390s, 410s, 427s,
>and 428s, which all used the same-length con-rods, and only the 427 and
>428 PI engine had special rods.

I know the 352 (FE)was built in F-series trucks in the year of our Lord,
1967. Sorry, couldn't resist.
I have been away too long.

Stu
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 08:30:45 -0700
From: "Syber"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 5 lug 16.5s -

email me off-line? I maybe interested in the near future...

Paul Fogle
'79 Bronco Custom, 351M
4" Rough Country Suspension Lift, 33" BFG MT's
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In a message dated 12/1/98 10:47:58 PM Eastern Standard Time,
ae571 seorf.ohiou.edu writes:


and with a 7" lift they look like slicks.... >>

Justin,
You have the rims already........... I can get all the sets of 36" I can
ever want for 50-75 bucks per tire - used, military take off Hummer tires,
all
with atleast 50% tread, most have more. Some have almost 100 % tread but
have
been plugged.......Once they need to be plugged the Military won't use them
anymore.........

Let me know where you live...

- -Shawn
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:39:35 -0600
From: juredd - Justin Reddell
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360-390 help please

Thanks to everyone that helped me out with this. I was able to take the oil pan off turn the crank to where I could get a casting # off one of a connecting rod. It was C7TE - A which figures out to be for a 360 motor. Along with the 2TA crank this makes for a bad combination when I was expecting a 390. So as some of you said I got screwed on this deal. I was hoping to prove you wrong but no luck. The worst thing about it is I talked with the guys about this motor over the phone before I bought it and everything sounded good. I had the sucker shipped all the way from Eastport ME, 378.00 bucks. Not to mention what the motor cost. I just never thought that I should ask what the casting #'s where before I bought it. I try to take people at their word. Their word just doesn't seem be any good any more. Go figure. Now they want even return my calls or email. OK I will quiet telling my sob story now. Thanks for the help. You all went out of your way.

Thanks,
Justin
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 07:38:58 PST
From: "Jerald Merrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-100 Steering wheels

I need to get into my stearing collum to fix my turn light caceler, I'll
make a not as to whats in their, mabe you are missing some peices. Is
your truck an auto, or a stick? A buddy one time bought a c*^%y and the
owner replaced the auto with a standerd trans. and tried to take the
auto colum out and messed his stering collum up.

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>The problem is that there is a gap between the steering wheel and the
>blinker assembly below it of about 3/4 inch. There is no tell ing what
the
>previous owner did to cause this. I thought it might be because I had
the
>wrong wheel on it....which I did, but replacing it with the correct one
>didn't fix it.
>
>Thanks
>John
>
>>I missed what the origional problem was. Sorry, Let me know, Please
I'd
>>be gald to help.
>>Jerald
>>Wyoming
>>Mr. Ranger
>
>>>>I have a 71 Ford Ranger, But I don't have the mesurements, but I
know
>>>>Ford had two different size wheels. One for the plane jane and one
>>for
>>>>a packaged deals.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks for the reply. I now have the right steering wheel. It's the
one
>>>with the single bar accross and has the rubber horn pad in it.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately that has not solved my problem.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>John
>>>
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 07:40:11 PST
From: "Jerald Merrick"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-100 Steering wheels

I need to get into my stearing collum to fix my turn light caceler, I'll
make a not as to whats in their, mabe you are missing some peices. Is
your truck an auto, or a stick? A buddy one time bought a c*^%y and the
owner replaced the auto with a standerd trans. and tried to take the
auto colum out and messed his stering collum up.
Jerald
Wyoming
Mr. Ranger
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>The problem is that there is a gap between the steering wheel and the
>blinker assembly below it of about 3/4 inch. There is no tell ing what
the
>previous owner did to cause this. I thought it might be because I had
the
>wrong wheel on it....which I did, but replacing it with the correct one
>didn't fix it.
>
>Thanks
>John
>
>>I missed what the origional problem was. Sorry, Let me know, Please
I'd
>>be gald to help.
>>Jerald
>>Wyoming
>>Mr. Ranger
>
>>>>I have a 71 Ford Ranger, But I don't have the mesurements, but I
know
>>>>Ford had two different size wheels. One for the plane jane and one
>>for
>>>>a packaged deals.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Thanks for the reply. I now have the right steering wheel. It's the
one
>>>with the single bar accross and has the rubber horn pad in it.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately that has not solved my problem.
>>>
>>>Thanks
>>>John
>>>
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 09:47:20 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - sawzall applications?? he he

>Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:23:14 EST
>From: BDIJXS aol.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Sawzall Solves It All!
>
>Taking a lead from "Busted in Montana", I've been looking for Sawzall
>applications while doing an F-250 4x4 restoration.....and finally found one!
>
>While installing a lift kit, I had to remove to old leaf shackle bushings from
>the frame. While I was able to use a gear puller to get the rubber center out,
>I was still left with a thin metal bushing (I'm sure it was part of the rubber
>bushing when it was originally installed) that wouldn't budge with hacksaw,
>the hammer and punch, or even with quite a bit of profanity. However, with
>just a little persuasion with the Sawzall, all it took were two cuts about
>1/2" apart and it fell right out....a handy little trick to remember while
>working on leaf springs....

Colorado Jeff,

I simply used a Hot wrench and a little rata tap tap out she came. (I didn't
have a sawzall handy) I cussed and cursed and yelled and screamed and threw
things for over 20 minutes before I realized the
torch was sitting at my feet. It was 2 am when I did this too so.......

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 07:48:42 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Sawzall Solves It All! Or How Big Is That Spring?

BDIJXS aol.com wrote:

> Hey Don,
>
> I'll bet you can swap in a set of 250 springs. You know how it is though, the
> springs 77 and older were the 2-1/4" wide on the 4x4's, but I think they
> converted to the 3" springs on the 4x2's earlier. Sounds like you already
> converted your shackles/spring mounts to 3"????
>
> Colorado Jeff

Yep. 3" springs and shacles. At the same time I fliped the rear shackle for
that little bit extra.

I was thinking of using 3/4 ton springs instead of spending money of a set of
lift springs. A set of junk yard dogs might be all I need, and if not I can
still go for the DomPekoniese (sp?) of lift springs later on. The thought of
breaking out the 1/2" drill bits again is not a favorable one. I shreaded the
cutting tip on two of them and broke the last inch off of one and turned another
into a curlly cue. I learned to keep as many parts of the body away from drill
equipment as possible.

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net


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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:01:23 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - reply to sender, Address is known ?

to all old and new

If you wish to just the sender and not the list the senders address in
included in the header. It's not as easy as just hitting reply but it is
also not that hard to do a little copy and paste of the address.

I have another list where it automatically replies to the sender and not
the list and I think some good information is lost. Maybe replying to the
list also creates too much extra garbage that is off topic but more of the
discussion is focused around the subject such as the Starter thread that
was a while back.

Replying to the list also suggests to the writer to think about what he/she
is going to say. It is going to be read by 3-400+ people.



- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon
ICQ# 19575234

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:07:29 -0800
From: Jim Pliss
Subject: RE: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - Replace the whole floor?

The replacement is due to all the reasons you asked and yes there are
companies that sell the whole panel you whack out the old one and mig in
the new one. Of course its a little harder than that but any good shop can
do it or if you are any good with a mig welder you can do it your self.
Look in the JC Whitny Catalog ib believe they have the floor pans for your
truck. Do not do any cutting till you have the new floor pan and can see
how much to over lap. I usually use 1/2 to 3/4 of an inch and tack weld
before finish welding.

- -----Original Message-----
From: myshop [SMTP:myshop ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 2:40 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - Replace the whole floor?

I have heard from a co-worker that you can purchase whole floor panels for
my 65 and 66 F100's and have them welded in.

I guess you remove seat, tank, shifter if any, etc. and r&r the whole
floor.

Does any one know if this is so and what company carries the whole floor?
I'm not even sure if it's all one piece. About how much would something
like
that cost?

While I'm on the subject of floors...I have been into the 65 F100 craze for
a little while now and stop every one I see in a parking lot etc. Seems
like
95% of the ones that are almost all original and in great shape, their
floor
has a few welded or riveted panels in it. Is that because of water under
the
truck, corrosion, and no undercoating?

Appreciate any feedback...

+
+AL+

2 - 65 F100's and maybe 1 66!

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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:19:45 -0800
From: Eric Donaldson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 List split issue

Friends;

I like the 65-79 proposal because my 66 has much more in common with
the newer than with the older. However, I'm being a little selfish I
suppose, as such a split might not reduce the volume very much.
While I'm here... There was a recent discussion about rear springs -
replacing stiff with not so stiff. I've heard of a product that replaces
the shackle to allow a couple of inches of softer travel while leaving
carrying capacity unaffected. Is it called "velvet..." something? Does
anyone have any experience with this product?

Eric, 66 Merc 250 Camper Special

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:25:01 -0500
From: adam.hicks ppctx.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - To Heater core, or not to Heater core?


I was looking through my Chilton's and Haynes, and they don't mention
anything about installing a heater core into a '77 WITH A/C. I think
I saw something somewhere that said it was "being the ability of the
home mechanic." I've bought the heater core, and the two hoses that
would normally run to the core have been connected directly together
in the engine compartment for a few years (before I got the truck) so
I know it will be a 'dry' job. The question is, have any of you done
it? I know it's a pain in the a$$, but is it something I should even
attempt?

Anybody wanna install it for a batch of cookies and a Furby? :)

Thanks!
Adam
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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:42:45 -0800
From: Jim Pliss
Subject: RE: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 List split issue

Have done alot of research on these but could not find them to fit my
truck. I have a 73 f250 4WD heavy duty and the springs are only 2 1/4
inches wide and the velvet ride shackles come in 2 1/2 and 3 inch versions.
On the vehicles that they were installed on they seem to work great. they
help stop wheel hop when empty and definetly improve the ride but are quite
expensive about 200.00 give or take 25.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Eric Donaldson [SMTP:ekdonaldson bc.sympatico.ca]
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 8:20 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 List split issue

Friends;

I like the 65-79 proposal because my 66 has much more in common with
the newer than with the older. However, I'm being a little selfish I
suppose, as such a split might not reduce the volume very much.
While I'm here... There was a recent discussion about rear springs -
replacing stiff with not so stiff. I've heard of a product that replaces
the shackle to allow a couple of inches of softer travel while leaving
carrying capacity unaffected. Is it called "velvet..." something? Does
anyone have any experience with this product?

Eric, 66 Merc 250 Camper Special

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:39:11 -0800
From: Jim Pliss
Subject: RE: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - 360-390 help please

Sorry to hear about your luck but it is people like that that make good
people not happy.

- -----Original Message-----
From: juredd - Justin Reddell [SMTP:juredd acxiom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 7:40 AM
To: 'Ford List'
Subject: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - 360-390 help please

Thanks to everyone that helped me out with this. I was able to take the
oil pan off turn the crank to where I could get a casting # off one of a
connecting rod. It was C7TE - A which figures out to be for a 360 motor.
Along with the 2TA crank this makes for a bad combination when I was
expecting a 390. So as some of you said I got screwed on this deal. I was
hoping to prove you wrong but no luck. The worst thing about it is I
talked with the guys about this motor over the phone before I bought it and
everything sounded good. I had the sucker shipped all the way from
Eastport ME, 378.00 bucks. Not to mention what the motor cost. I just
never thought that I should ask what the casting #'s where before I bought
it. I try to take people at their word. Their word just doesn't seem be
any good any more. Go figure. Now they want even return my calls or
email. OK I will quiet telling my sob story now. Thanks for the help.
You all went out of your way.

Thanks,
Justin
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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:47:26 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - To Heater core, or not to Heater core?

> I was looking through my Chilton's and Haynes, and they don't mention
> anything about installing a heater core into a '77 WITH A/C. I think
> I saw something somewhere that said it was "being the ability of the
> home mechanic." I've bought the heater core, and the two hoses that
> would normally run to the core have been connected directly together
> in the engine compartment for a few years (before I got the truck) so
> I know it will be a 'dry' job. The question is, have any of you done
> it? I know it's a pain in the a$$, but is it something I should even
> attempt?
>
I've done this on 2 mustang's, both with air. Might've helped on one that
doesn't have air when I was little, but that would've been grade school, so
I just handed wrenches to Dad.

I've gotten it down to about 2 hours on the Mustang's, but the first one
took about 4. Also with there bein more room in a truck I wouldn't
hesitate too much, just get a diagram of how the heater box comes out.

Just me and my approach, so if you're not too handy with tools, maybe you
shouldn't try it, but if you feel competent even with things you've never
tried, then give it a shot!


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:05:20 -0700
From: "bertolin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue

65-79 would work for me. I learn a lot from the mechanical discussions
generated by the list members with the late 60 and 70's trucks some of which
could apply to my truck. I think a 65-79 list would still generate a lot of
volume but that's not a problem from my end. Roberta with 1965 custom cab

> Mail traffic is making it fairly obvious that this list
> is going to have to be split up soon. I've discussed
> a couple of options with some list members via private
> email.
> One good idea is the following:
> Take the pre61 list and make it a 56 and earlier list.
> Make a new list covering the 57-64 and the 61-79 list
> would then cover 65-79.
> Your opinions are welcome.
> Ken Payne
> CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:07:58 -0700
From: "bertolin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue

65-79 would work for me. I learn a lot from the mechanical discussions
generated by the list members with the late 60 and 70's trucks some of which
could apply to my truck. I think a 65-79 list would still generate a lot of
volume but that's not a problem from my end. Roberta with 1965 custom cab

> Mail traffic is making it fairly obvious that this list
> is going to have to be split up soon. I've discussed
> a couple of options with some list members via private
> email.
> One good idea is the following:
> Take the pre61 list and make it a 56 and earlier list.
> Make a new list covering the 57-64 and the 61-79 list
> would then cover 65-79.
> Your opinions are welcome.
> Ken Payne
> CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:25:57 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: List split issue

This works for me.

Keith Srb
CoAdmin

Ken Wrote:
> Mail traffic is making it fairly obvious that this list
> is going to have to be split up soon. I've discussed
> a couple of options with some list members via private
> email.
> One good idea is the following:
> Take the pre61 list and make it a 56 and earlier list.
> Make a new list covering the 57-64 and the 61-79 list
> would then cover 65-79.
> Your opinions are welcome.
> Ken Payne
> CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:00:00 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390/410 rods

Freeman family writes: >>I believe the 410 rod and 390 rod are slightly
different.

Nope. !!! Same length. Different stroke is compensated for due totally
to the difference in wristpin location in piston. 410 is a super torquer.
A lot more than one would expect from the additional 20 CID's it gives over
the 390. The difference is more noticeable than the difference between
the 360 and the 390, which is a lot IMHO.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:00:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 360-390 help please

Hello Justin,

Let's see what we have here:

1) 'They' sold you a 390, which has turned out to be a 360.

Do you have a reciept from 'them' stating a 390 engine?

2) Along with the cost of the motor, there are $378 shipping charges.

How did you pay for the motor and shipping? Did you use a credit
card? USPS Money order? Personal check.

3) 'They' won't return your calls or e-mail.

Well, it sounds like time to identify them. Do we have anyone here
that lives close to Eastport?

Let us help you out here. We're big, We're strong, We're FTE! Depending
on how you paid for it, you have a couple of paths to take. What's
important right now is that you document everything done up to this
point. Phone calls, e-mails, etc. in case you end up in small claims
court.

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California


> Thanks to everyone that helped me out with this. I was able to take
> the oil pan off turn the crank to where I could get a casting # off
> one of a connecting rod. It was C7TE - A which figures out to be for
> a 360 motor. Along with the 2TA crank this makes for a bad combination
> when I was expecting a 390. So as some of you said I got screwed on
> this deal. I was hoping to prove you wrong but no luck. The worst
> thing about it is I talked with the guys about this motor over the
> phone before I bought it and everything sounded good. I had the
> sucker shipped all the way from Eastport ME, 378.00 bucks. Not to
> mention what the motor cost. I just never thought that I should ask
> what the casting #'s where before I bought it. I try to take people
> at their word. Their word just doesn't seem be any good any more.
> Go figure. Now they want even return my calls or email. OK I will
> quiet telling my sob story now. Thanks for the help. You all went
> out of your way.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:07:17 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - various

Mark writes: >>If I want to go back to "stage I" (RV calibration) can I
buy another kit and do it over? Do you have to do any drilling
in the valve body when installing a kit in a C6? If so is
the hole that is drilled any bigger for stage II? How hard
would it be to swap the entire stock valve body from the 250?
Is the valve body the same for 2WD/4WD C6 transmissions?


If both are C6 you can swap them out.

Instrument Cluster

>>The 250 has ammeter and oil pressure gauges, the 100 has idiot
lights. I have the correct senders on the motor but will the
wiring harness be the same so I can just swap clusters?

No. Wiring harnesses and connectors at the clusters are different.


Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:10:01 PST
From: "P.J. Brusa"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New '66 Ford owner...needing advice/help

First time poster here and very happy to see such an active list!

I have just aquired a '66 Ford Twin-I-Beam (with the big 352)and had a
few questions to throw out to the group...hopefully, someone can give me
some help in solving these problems.

1) The truck is w/o a boosted brake system. Is there a manufacturer out
there that makes a power brake kit for this year? (I don't think Ford
offered one in '66 on this truck).

2) Speaking of brakes again, the brake lights do not light up when the
brake pedal is pushed...the lights do come one when the parking lights
are one, but they do not glow brighter when the brake is pushed
(dual-stage bulb is required?)...does anyone have an idea where to start
on solving this problem???

3) The '66 Ford I have is not labeled as a "F-100" anywhere on the
badges....Am I correct in thinking it is just a Ford Twin-I-Beam 2WD?

Thanks in advance!

- -Peter Brusa
Atlanta, GA
1966 Ford
healey4me hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:19:15 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - springs

Don Grossman writes: >>I swapped out my old spring in the rear with a set
off of a 77 F-150 4x4 ( 3" wide and about 55" long). Do you think I could
swap in a set off of a 250?

I think the F100 thru F350 used the same width and length springs in the
same years. Somewhere in around '78 or '79 the springs got wider, but all
the series from F150 thru F350 got wider at the same time, and I think the
length remained the same..

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:31:49 -0600 (CST)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New '66 Ford owner...needing advice/help

P.J. Brusa [healey4me hotmail.com] wrote:

>>I have just aquired a '66 Ford Twin-I-Beam (with the big 352)
Wahoo! You go boy!
I am unsure what you mean by "the big 352". I don't think there were 2
versions of the 352 (big vs little), perhaps its been overbored?

>>2) Speaking of brakes again, the brake lights do not light up when the
brake pedal is pushed...the lights do come one when the parking lights
are one,

Sounds like the brake light switch ain't working. Look at your brake
pedal, at the top, there outta be a switch, it may be bad, you can test it
with a volt/ohm meter. Email me or the list if you have questions about
how.
Could also be a ground problem, but if the parking lights work, I think it
should be grounded ok.
I cant remember it they are two stage bulbs or not, but I think they are
and they are cheap and easy enough to replace.

>>3) The '66 Ford I have is not labeled as a "F-100" anywhere on the
badges....Am I correct in thinking it is just a Ford Twin-I-Beam

It's still an F-100.

Is GA some kinda Mecca for old trucks or what? You guys seem to
have a high proportion of the old stuff. Maybe I need to plan a little road
trip...

Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 10:48:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F-100 Steering wheels

John wrote:

> The problem is that there is a gap between the steering wheel and the
> blinker assembly below it of about 3/4 inch. There is no tell ing what the
> previous owner did to cause this. I thought it might be because I had the
> wrong wheel on it....which I did, but replacing it with the correct one
> didn't fix it.
>

Sounds like the bearing at the bottom of your steering column is shot.
Is the rag joint (fiber coupling between steering shaft and box) nice
and flat? Or does it look 'Wavy'. If the bearing is shot, the spring
under the wheel will eventually force the shaft up, causing 1) No horn,
and 2) No signal cancellation.

- --
Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:42:36 -0800
From: Jim Pliss
Subject: RE: (Archive Copy) Re: FTE 61-79 - 360-390 help please

Justin,
I am with pat on this. Make sure you have all recepts and all info you can
get and I will try to help best I can and sounds like some others will be
willing to help you also. I would not lay down for this and would try to do
something about it.


- -----Original Message-----
From: Pat Brown [SMTP:patb sonic.net]
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 10:00 AM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: (Archive Copy) Re: FTE 61-79 - 360-390 help please

Hello Justin,

Let's see what we have here:

1) 'They' sold you a 390, which has turned out to be a 360.

Do you have a reciept from 'them' stating a 390 engine?

2) Along with the cost of the motor, there are $378 shipping charges.

How did you pay for the motor and shipping? Did you use a credit
card? USPS Money order? Personal check.

3) 'They' won't return your calls or e-mail.

Well, it sounds like time to identify them. Do we have anyone here
that lives close to Eastport?

Let us help you out here. We're big, We're strong, We're FTE! Depending
on how you paid for it, you have a couple of paths to take. What's
important right now is that you document everything done up to this
point. Phone calls, e-mails, etc. in case you end up in small claims
court.

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California


> Thanks to everyone that helped me out with this. I was able to take
> the oil pan off turn the crank to where I could get a casting # off
> one of a connecting rod. It was C7TE - A which figures out to be for
> a 360 motor. Along with the 2TA crank this makes for a bad combination
> when I was expecting a 390. So as some of you said I got screwed on
> this deal. I was hoping to prove you wrong but no luck. The worst
> thing about it is I talked with the guys about this motor over the
> phone before I bought it and everything sounded good. I had the
> sucker shipped all the way from Eastport ME, 378.00 bucks. Not to
> mention what the motor cost. I just never thought that I should ask
> what the casting #'s where before I bought it. I try to take people
> at their word. Their word just doesn't seem be any good any more.
> Go figure. Now they want even return my calls or email. OK I will
> quiet telling my sob story now. Thanks for the help. You all went
> out of your way.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin

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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:54:08 -0800
From: Jim Pliss
Subject: RE: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - springs

I believe there is a difference between 2WD and 4WD and 150 250 and 350 at
least in the older models. The 73 F250 used 2 1/4 in wide spring from 73 to
early 77 the serial number will give you the clue on the spring width.
YF000 is the smaller frame using the smaller springs and in 77 after this
serial changed to a 3" spring for all 250 and 350 but believe all the 150
had 2 1/2 springs from 73-79 maybe wrong about the 150 but am sure on the
73 to 77 f250's

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From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com [SMTP:am14 daimlerchrysler.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 10:19 AM
To: 61-79-list Ford-trucks.com
Subject: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - springs

Don Grossman writes: >>I swapped out my old spring in the rear with a set
off of a 77 F-150 4x4 ( 3" wide and about 55" long). Do you think I could
swap in a set off of a 250?

I think the F100 thru F350 used the same width and length springs in the
same years. Somewhere in around '78 or '79 the springs got wider, but all
the series from F150 thru F350 got wider at the same time, and I think the
length remained the same..

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:59:18 -0800
From: Jim Pliss
Subject: RE: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - New '66 Ford owner...needing advice/help

The 352 is part of fords FE series of engines although not classified as a
ford big block like the 429 and 460 it is called by some a big block
especially for ist day.

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From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu [SMTP:bkirking bcm.tmc.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 10:32 AM
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