61-79-list-digest Sunday, November 29 1998 Volume 02 : Number 537



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 starter
FTE 61-79 - RE My Ford is back! (But I have a question)
FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list repair manual
FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list repair manual
FTE 61-79 - Still.... Looking for a lead
FTE 61-79 - intro to myself
FTE 61-79 - Testing Vacuum Advance on a Distributor
FTE 61-79 - Re: My Ford is back! (But I have a question)
FTE 61-79 - Bad Crank
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web chat
Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 & F150
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list repair manual
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Archives updated
Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 & F150
Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 & F150
FTE 61-79 - Lap Belts in a '71
FTE 61-79 - Best daily driver carb for a 460
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bad Crank
Re: FTE 61-79 - White Spokers - Old Style
Re: FTE 61-79 - detroit locker 9" ford
Re: FTE 61-79 - detroit locker 9
Re: FTE 61-79 - Best daily driver carb for a 460

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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 04:00:05 -0800
From: "Sam Weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 starter

I know all small block's and I think 385 series (m's) can interchange.
Basically the must be the same two bolt setup .
And make sure the drive sticks out the same...
-srw

Sam Weatherby SWeatherby uswest.net
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'70 Mustang Grabber Sportsroof
'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
'98 FXD Super Glide
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From: WILLIAM WHITED
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, November 27, 1998 2:58 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302 starter


>Is the starter on a 351 the same as a 302 starter?
>
>74 F100 RANGER SUPER CAB 390
>79 F150 EXPLORER SUPER CAB 302
>"IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI"
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 09:06:49 -0500
From: "Mr. Paul R. Boudreault"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE My Ford is back! (But I have a question)


One - When I unlock my gas cap and pull it off, there is a huge vacuum
that equalizes when I take the cap off. I'd imagine this is pretty
normal, but wouldn't that work against my fuel pump that's trying to
pull the opposite direction? Does that sound nuts?





Hi Adam.

Check your "Vent Line" at the top of the gas tank. You will find it on the
top extending either forward or backward with a "Vent Plug" on the end.
Sometimes "gunk" builds up on them and causes the air flow entering the tank
to slow down or even stop. Just clean the plug off, and out it back.

If it still is plugged/creating a vacuum after this, I would remove this
vent line and replace it with a new one. They use standard "rubber" type
fuel line. Be sure to put the cleaned plug back on this new line too.

If the line checks clear, it could be so old that it is collapsing onto
itself when the flow of air increases to a point. This could happen with a
dirty plug, causing the line to be weak even after you clean the plug.

Me, if cleaning the plug didn't work I would change the vent hose. It is
pretty cheap, but I don't know how much room you have to at it on your
truck.

Best of luck.

"Paul"




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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 10:34:58 -0700
From: Jason & Vedra Cajune
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list repair manual

Hello! I have a 76 F-150 4wd and need a real manual for it. I have the Haynes manual which I'm going
to use as a spacer somewhere. The pull out procedure for the V-8 in the Haynes says: 'Refer to the
V-6' Can anyone point me in the direction of a service manual for that truck or at least year of
Ford? Also, I'm having trouble translating the tag off the front diff. Reads as follows:
3 50 D6TA BAC
603689-9
I'm putting synthetic gear oil in the transfer case and diffs on the advice of a friend and found
that the front diff is very hard to turn by hand when disengaged. Is this a symptom of front bearing
wear?
Many thanks. J Cajune

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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 10:34:58 -0700
From: Jason & Vedra Cajune
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list repair manual

Hello! I have a 76 F-150 4wd and need a real manual for it. I have the Haynes manual which I'm going
to use as a spacer somewhere. The pull out procedure for the V-8 in the Haynes says: 'Refer to the
V-6' Can anyone point me in the direction of a service manual for that truck or at least year of
Ford? Also, I'm having trouble translating the tag off the front diff. Reads as follows:
3 50 D6TA BAC
603689-9
I'm putting synthetic gear oil in the transfer case and diffs on the advice of a friend and found
that the front diff is very hard to turn by hand when disengaged. Is this a symptom of front bearing
wear?
Many thanks. J Cajune

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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 12:53:29 -0500
From: pdesanto Cinergy.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Still.... Looking for a lead

I forwarded this for a friend a few days ago, but never saw it show up in
digest mode. So here it is again. Anybody got any ideas ? Phil

> From: Oldfords63 juno.com
>
> I'm wanting to re-do some dash and misc. small trim panels on another
> project and am looking for a source of " Engine turned " trim. ( Like the
> 55-56 T-Bird; Impala Super Sports of the 60's or Trans- Ams ) I don't
> want the metal panels ( $$$ ), but am trying to find it in the form of
> self adhesive, cut to fit tape. I remember seeing this stuff a few years
> ago, but can't seem to find it now. (not EVEN in J.C. Whitney !) I'm
> not wanting the "Prism tape" from the 70's; but actual "Engine Turned" or
> "Damascening" swirl finish. As in the Eastwood catalog. I'll resort to
> using that kit if I have to, but it's so time consuming I'd prefer the
> tape if I can still get it. Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> M.G.
>
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 10:50:55 -0800 (PST)
From: TheFORDMAN webtv.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - intro to myself

hello all,
my name is Eric. i recently subbed to
this list. I really enjoy this list. ive had fords for quite a while and
really love them. my list of fords i've owned consists
of mustangs, mavericks,ranchero's and
not mention my 1st fords,a 68f100lwb
and a couple of other f100's. my project
now is a f100swb 4x4, which has a 390
501 casting 4bbl dual exh. 4spd. i have a
3'' body lift &35'' tires. its really a fun trk
I picked up the truck for 1300$ w/ the
bed full of parts.I'm basically a recreational mechanic and enjoy
working
on my trk, due to the simple fact it is therapy for me because im a
recovering substance abuser(booze&drugs) and been w/o for 6yrs now. I'm
married to a wonderful woman who doesnt mind me
sharing me w/my fords. I also have two
rambunkscious kids, a 4y/o daughter and
a2y/o son who beleive it or not is starting to share my interests and
would love to rearrange my roll-away tool box !!!!!!!
gotta love them!!!!!! i'm a native oregonian and live west of
portland.by the way does any body know on the frt axle (4x4) on the
pass. side steering knuckle there are two ball joints , are these
replaceable by owner or do i need a press? i noticed
a snap ring on both joints. info on this would be great! also what is
the toe in requirements ? thx for listening

Forever FORDS
Eric
75 F100 4x4

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Date: Sun, 29 Nov 1998 14:44:56 -0700
From: Keith Srb
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Testing Vacuum Advance on a Distributor

Hi Gang,

How do you test the Vacuum Advance on a Distributor to see if it is working??

How about the Mechanical Advance??

Thanks!
Keith Srb

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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 15:38:39 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: My Ford is back! (But I have a question)

On Sat, 28 Nov 1998, adam.hicks ppctx.com wrote:
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> I just got my 77' F150 back from having the heads rebuilt and an
> Edelbrock Performer 460 manifold and a Holley 750 Q-Jet installed.
> Also had a real nice timing chain / gears installed along with a full
> Fel-Pro (sp?) gasket set, blah blah blah. Long story short, the thing
> runs like a bat outta hell. So smooth with such a nice torque curve.
> I only have a few minor questions.
>
> One - When I unlock my gas cap and pull it off, there is a huge vacuum
> that equalizes when I take the cap off. I'd imagine this is pretty
> normal, but wouldn't that work against my fuel pump that's trying to
> pull the opposite direction? Does that sound nuts?
>
> Two - With that new carb on the 460, should I consider a higher-flow
> fuel pump if such a thing is available? I think Edelbrock and a few
> others make 'em. It has a fairly new pump on it, but it's more than
> likely a plain ole' stock replacement.

The answer to both these questions is to drive the thing fast up a long
steep hill. Throw some heavy stuff in the back if you want. If it runs
out of gas, then see about fixing it.

> Three - My truck, being a 77', has minimal emission control junk (no
> cats, no EGR, etc) but had the annoying tube running from the air
> filter housing to the exhaust manifold heat shield. When I had the
> new heads put on, the bold head was broken and rusted onto the heat
> shield, so the guy who did all the work (who is actually REALLY good)
> just chunked the heat shield and put all new bolts (in the manifold
> and heads and intake and carb!) Will I need this warm air tube thing
> to inspect the truck? I can rig something if I have to, but I want to
> st aside the stock cleaner and buy the cool 14" K&N assembly made for
> it.

It depends where you live, here in California it's just a matter of
going to the right shop. For instance my '81 Subaru has a cat and a
fuel pipe restrictor but the sticker says "non-catalyst". Two shops
said they wouldn't do it but they both pointed me to another shop
saying, "that guy will pass anything." Just go ask the smog guy and he
will tell you if he will pass it ot not.

I ran my ^*$# Ch%^y with an open element air cleaner and had terrible
troubles with carburetor icing. It would not idle after running hard or
going downhill on freezing or rainy days. Fired up my F-100 with open
oil bath air cleaner and I could see it was starting to do the same
thing. The F-100 has a heat stove in the manifold though, and the Ch*
had headers which really cut down on flow through the exhaust crossover
in the intake manifold. Some V8s are supposed to have a little
thermostatically opened butterfly in one exhaust manifold that directs
more air through the crossover when cold.

All I am trying to say is, if you find it runs funny in the cold or
rain, you might want to consider some kind of carb heat.

Birken
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 19:03:04 -0500
From: Dale Rimkunas
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bad Crank

Hey All,
This is my first post. I've had a 65 F-100 for years and it treated me very
well. She got me through college and never broke down more than 200 yards
from my house. Believe me though , there were some close calls though. I
babied her back 20 mi while the rear wheel bearing was screaming and
smoking. We made it back and I fixed her the next day. Young and poor, i
put the axle over my shoulder and walked the 1/2 mi to the machine shop and
had the new bearing pushed on and head her on the road the next day. Anyway
stories like this went on for 4 years. I always promised her that if we got
out of this one I swear one day I'll fix you up real good and make you the
pretty lady you deserve to be.
Guess what, that time has finally come. I bought this truck for $250. We
are both the same age and I want her to last another 33 years.
Okay, the prelaude to my soon to be numerous posts is over. Here is
the current situation and attendent questions:

1. The front clip is off. It is all in one piece. The very rusty Cab is
off, I'm replacing it with a boneyard find that is in immaculate shape for
$90 (can you believe it?)

2. The engine and drive train are still on the frame.


QUESTION: the engine was rebuilt shortly before i got it. it is in very
good shape and started first time every time. I do not want to do a rebuild
on it.
300 6 cyl. The front oil seal used to leak alot. I replaced it but saw that
the old seal circular spring had been riding on the crank so long that it
ground a groove into the crank. A new seal has this groove underneath it,
so oil still gets out and sprays every where under the hood. Short of
rebuilding the engine, what can i do to fix this so that my beautiful to be
fully painted truck will not be covered in oil,Oh and i guess losing oil
out of my engine is bad too!~>

Please shoot me any ideas and suggestions.

In Ford We Trust,

Dale Rimkunas



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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:59:23 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web chat

Web chat is back up. The chat server has the same problem
it had last spring (hanging after a period of time). It
doesn't free resources very well. But.... its the fastest
chat I've found and it uses virtually no system resourses.
To get around the hanging problem, the chat server is
restarted 5 minutes before the start of each hour. At that
time, the chat server is down for about 30 seconds. You
have to log back in to use it. I know its a hassle, but
its the only solution for now.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:23:24 EST
From: LouviersFr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 & F150

The year the truck was made some where along the line 100 was dropped and
became the F150.
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:27:50 EST
From: LouviersFr aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list repair manual

Cant help you with the tech questions but my side are killing me from laughter
on the hayes manuel. They really do suck.
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:23:25 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Archives updated

October list archives have been compiled and are
now on the web site.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:35:06 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 & F150

At 08:23 PM 11/28/98 -0500, you wrote:
>The year the truck was made some where along the line 100 was dropped and
>became the F150.

The F100s and F150s overlapped. F100s were made as late as 1983
and F150s as early as 1973.


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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:32:03 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - F100 & F150

In a message dated 11/28/98 6:49:22 PM MST, kpayne ford-trucks.com writes:

>

I'm not sure when they started, but my dealer literature that I bought to go
with my 73 F-250 shows no mention of the F-150. It was my assumption that the
F-150 came around 76 but again, I'm not sure. Anyone have any hard facts?

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 18:35:19 -0800
From: Tim Bowman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Lap Belts in a '71

Does anyone know what lap style belts fit a '71 Sport Custom P/U? I've
got the upper mounting bolt holes which have plugs in them. Thanks.

Tim Bowman
'71 Ford P/U and a bunch more FOMOCO's


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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 20:53:44 -0600
From: Brett McCoy
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Best daily driver carb for a 460

Well here we go again. I finally have to do something about my factory Holly.
The accelerator pump is leaking so much that I am getting concerned about a
fire. I figure the power valve is shot form all the backfires that I have had
trying to get this thing tuned. Plus I don't think it has ever been off the
engine since the day Ford put in on in '79. I talked to a mechanic friend of
mine the other day and he said that the factory Holly that Ford put on the
460's was just a lot more trouble then it is worth. I know that the rebuild
kit will cost about $100.00 so I am looking to just replace that carb. We have
talked a lot on this list about how Holly's are great for the track but
basically suck for real world driving. So, my friend said that he thinks he
can get me a rebuilt Rochester spreadbore and an adapter plate for my factory
cast iron intake. I just looked in the Summit catalog and see that a new
Edelbrock 750 cfm spreadbore is about $400.00 (ouch) and that I could get a
Carter AFB 625 cfm for about $238.00 (cool) I think it, (the Carter) would even
bolt right up.

So, What do you all think, Rochester, Edelbrock, Carter and what size? My 460
is in a '79 F250 crew cab. I don't currently have the time or money for a
complete rebuild, but hope to do one some day. At that time I would replace
the intake and do valve job at the least, if the bottom looks ok. Truck has
155,000 mile on it and even with the bad carb passed the e-check with no
problem, even runs good if I drive it every day, if not, it runs kindda crappy
for the first half hour or so.

Give me some ideas oh you guru's of Ford greatness.

- -B
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 21:09:08 -0600
From: Mike Schwall
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bad Crank

At 06:03 PM 11/28/98 , you wrote:
>SNIP>
>300 6 cyl. The front oil seal used to leak alot. I replaced it but saw that
>the old seal circular spring had been riding on the crank so long that it
>ground a groove into the crank. A new seal has this groove underneath it,
>so oil still gets out and sprays every where under the hood. Short of
>rebuilding the engine, what can i do to fix this so that my beautiful to be
>fully painted truck will not be covered in oil,Oh and i guess losing oil
>out of my engine is bad too!~>
> Dale Rimkunas

I can't remember, but does the front seal ride on the harmonic dampener or
the crank itself? If it rides on the dampener like a regular small block,
then go to the local auto parts and ask for a harmonic dampener repair kit
(or sleeve and seal as it used to be called). The kit will contain a thin
piece of metal that slides over the nose of the dampener which gives the
seal a nice smooth surface to ride on.

Mike

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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:38:49 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - White Spokers - Old Style

these wheels you are looking for, is the center about 1/4" thick and each
spoke is welded to the rim? what lug pattern are you looking for? i have a set
of 5 lug wheels.

jeff grant
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:40:16 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - detroit locker 9" ford

do you know what spline yours is? the locker i have is 31 spline. i want
350.00 for it,
they sell for 499.00
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 23:46:57 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - detroit locker 9

its a 31 spline, used but like new, may have 1000 street miles on it.
i want 350.00 for it, paid over 500.00 for it 6 months ago.

jeff grant
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Date: Sat, 28 Nov 1998 22:10:39 -0800 (PST)
From: TheFORDMAN webtv.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Best daily driver carb for a 460....

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