61-79-list-digest Friday, November 20 1998 Volume 02 : Number 529



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Long tailshaft C6
FTE 61-79 - Ragjoint
FTE 61-79 - '66 w/351
FTE 61-79 - Oil pump failure
FTE 61-79 - clicking and flickering
FTE 61-79 - 302/351W swap
FTE 61-79 - RE: Help! (Headlights)
FTE 61-79 - Help!
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 2-V to 4-V?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 2-V to 4-V?
FTE 61-79 - Steering Shaft Solution- Answers and Prices
FTE 61-79 - 351 2-V to 4-V?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Shaft Solution- Answers and Prices
FTE 61-79 - F 250 plus
FTE 61-79 - Locking Hubs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Shaft Solution- Answers and Prices
FTE 61-79 - factory lift blocks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Long tailshaft C6
RE: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - F 250 plus
FTE 61-79 - 4 wheel disc brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - '66 w/351
Re: FTE 61-79 - Locking Hubs
Re: FTE 61-79 - Long tailshaft C6
Re: FTE 61-79 - Long tailshaft C6
Re: FTE 61-79 - Help!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Locking Hubs
FTE 61-79 - Rebuild time! Got a few questions
RE: FTE 61-79 - Rebuild time! Got a few questions
RE: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - Rebuild time! Got a few questions

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:14:17 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Long tailshaft C6

Shawn Donkin writes: >>Should i be using a c6 with a long tailshaft in
this swap?

In a 4X4????? How you gonna do this?????? Doesn't the Xfercase bolt
directly to the tranny???

I'm confused here!!!!!!

Azie
Ardmore, Al.



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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:17:39 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ragjoint

John LaG. writes: >>I always thought y'all (that's a legal word in Texas)
were talking about the section where the pieces of tire are.

Y'all is good!!!

You have a fairly good description of the 'ragjoint' there also.(pieces of
tire)

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:25:35 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '66 w/351

Patrick Kimbril writes: >>A friend of ours has a '66 Ford pickup with
351ci, automatic tranny, and I-beam suspension. Hes been told this
combination is rare, like only 90 ever made. So is this a really rare
vehicle or what?

Even rarer than that --- Lets see now -- the 351 was introduced in '69
or '70 I believe--in cars only - trucks in '77. That means that he has a
truck equipped some 3/4 years prior to introduction of said components..
rare indeed.

Now a 352 FE equipped '66 might be in proper order. Automatics in '66
trucks were rare, but I wouldn't venture to guess how rare.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:33:17 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oil pump failure

Mr M block devotee writes: >>IMHO, when rebuilding an engine, a new oil
pump, pickup tube, and pump
drive shaft are small investments in engine longevity. Even if the old
pump tests good and the pickup tube looks immaculate, I would always
replace the pump drive shaft. Of course, I would recommend testing any
critical component even when purchased new. A free replacement for a
defective oil pump is minor consolation when you have to change it out.
Warranty limitations on consequential damages (like toasted crank bearings
and journals) are even less gratifying when it's your engine that died.

Well said. A small investment indeed for the trouble it can cause...

Since we are here on this thread -- Has anyone ever experienced this
problem on an FE?? Y??
I've never seen/heard of it on that block series, nor the Y block. W's and
all the 335's and 385's I've seen, but not the others.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:46:04 -0500
From: am14 daimlerchrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - clicking and flickering

Johnson writes: >>Driving home last night (71 F250 Ranger XLT CS 360 2V
C6) my dash lights went out and the headlights were flickering accompanied
by electrical relay sounding clicks/noises from the right side of my dash.
The truck has the AC unit under the dash on right side. Since I have had
the truck, I have noticed that I get a click from that location when I turn
the headlights on. Any ideas?

You got a short someplace. Headlamps are not fused. They are on a real
short timed circuit breaker, and you are testing it to the limits. You
need to find the short and correct it before you wind up in complete
darkness down there in Prattville. You might hurt some of us when passing
through.

Good luck
Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:57:04 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302/351W swap

Thanks to those that answered my question on the '70 351W mating up to
the 76 C4.. will let you know how it comes out... hope to get this
swap before Xmas.. that and converting to mono springs in the rear
will be the last of the "mechanicals" I need to do before starting the
body work..


Bill in Texas
'64 Shortbox
'90 Harley Dresser




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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:00:07 -0500
From: William King
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Help! (Headlights)

O.T.
I had the same problem with my 1968 F100 two years ago (seems to happen
during the colder weather). Check your headlight wires (from the firewall
to the headlights). I discovered that the battery had spilled battery acid
onto the wires, and the battery was rubbing against the wires, thus shorting
them out. I reinsulated the wires with toilet paper and scotch tape (just
kiddin'), and they were fine. BTW, my 1968 doesn't have a headlight relay,
but it made a clicking noise (around the switch) when the lights would cut
out.
Good luck
Ohio Bill
1968 Torino GT (429 4V 4speed)
1968 F100 (360 4V 4speed)
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 15:14:20 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Help!

>Driving home last night (71 F250 Ranger XLT CS 360 2V C6) my dash lights
>went out and the headlights were flickering accompanied by electrical relay
>sounding clicks/noises from the right side of my dash. The truck has the AC
>unit under the dash on right side. Since I have had the truck, I have
>noticed that I get a click from that location when I turn the headlights on.
>Any ideas?
>
I think this relay is used on Camper Specials, presumably because of the
number of lights that have to be run (clearance lights and whatnot on the
camper and/or trailer you might also be pulling). My C/S has one too. It
is bolted to the a-pillar just inside the glove box hole.

I figure either the relay has gone bad or the light switch has. I'd remove
the glove box liner, put 12V to the relay and see if the lights come on
steady or not. If they do, it's the switch. If not, it's the relay. If
you find the relay at fault, I'd clean the ground good and test again
before buying a new one. Could just be crudded up underneath.

_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:02:15 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 2-V to 4-V?

>From: RKocsis627 aol.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 2-V to 4-V?
>
>I have a '77 2WD F150 Custom. It's got 76,000 miles
>on it, and what I'm really looking for is an
>improvement in the low-mid range. The truck's a
>daily driver, so that's its primary use. I don't have to
>pass an emissions test, and currently the truck is
>still bone stock and has no cats. I plan on putting
>a dual exhaust on, so what do you think should
>happen from there? Thanks again.

Yo RKocsis627:

If you're looking for low-mid range improvement (say less than 3.5-4K rpm),
I think a 4V carb/manifold will not do you much good. IMHO, I think your
best investment would be a new timing set (unless yours was recently
replaced) and a cam with more duration and lift than stock.

In timing sets, I really believe the double roller types are worth the
extra cost because they will "stretch" less than a conventional plate-type
chain. When the chain elongates, the cam timing becomes more retarded,
which weakens your low rpm power.

For low-mid range power (I assume your talking about 1000-4000 rpm), a
couple cams that look good to me are the Comp Cams 255DEH and 265DEH. The
published specs are:

Comp 255DEH (203/216 0.050, 0.465/0.495 gross lift)
Comp 265DEH (211/223 0.050, 0.484/0.510 gross lift)

A while back, another list member (Ox) was considering a Crane PowerMax cam
with the following specs:

204/216 0.050, 0.493/0.524 gross lift

Based on the specs, this cam looks particularly attractive for low-mid rpm
performance in a stock M-block because of it's mild duration and healthy
lift.

If you get a new camshaft, you will need new lifters, and you'll need
aftermarket valve springs to tolerate the lift over 0.480" gross. The
total cost of a camshaft, lifters, and springs is still quite a bit less
than the 4V carb/manifold (parts only), and the results should give you a
lot more of what you want.

A good cam will be enhanced by an improved exhaust system, but beware of
pipes that are too large as they will improve overall power output, but may
slightly reduce power at lower rpms.

Good luck w/ your truck.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 16:05:20 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351 2-V to 4-V?

>From: "pat green"
>Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - 351 2-V to 4-V?
>
>also try adding a set of 351c 2v heads that
>will take care of any flow problems

Yo Pat:

The 351C 2V heads are virtually identical to the M-block heads. The ports
and valve sizes are the same. Why do you think the 351C 2V heads will help
w/ flow?

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:06:19 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Steering Shaft Solution- Answers and Prices

Tony handles it again!

Thanks....now, I just need to figure out if the F-150's have the same parts as
the F-250's....I imagine the yokes are the same....

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 18:23:14 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 351 2-V to 4-V?

Jim responded to Ox;
>You are exactly right but all this does affect the flow bench
>characteristics. Larger valves port matching all requires time which is
>money. Even after all the work these heads are not as efficient as other
>engine designs

Well Jim.......we can agree on one thing, Ox is "exactly right"! I don't
think that anyone mentioned larger valves. The HR build-up produced 375HP
from a 400 using stock heads with stock valve sizes. They even used cast
iron exhaust manifolds. Like OX said, "the major issues to be addressed
with the 351M/400 are the cam (and cam timing) and compression".

Jim, I'm sorry that you were disappointed with your 400, but please don't
discourage others with statements like, "the heads flow about as well as a
porous brick", that are simply not true. I hope that you have a better
experience with your next build-up.

later,
dale c
'79 f-150 351M

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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:23:24 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Shaft Solution- Answers and Prices

Thanks for your message at 06:06 PM 11/19/98 EST, BDIJXS aol.com. Your
message was:
I imagine the yokes are the same....
>
Yust as funny, at least...
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 19:31:02 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F 250 plus

When I was crawling under my recently acquired '66 F250, checking wires and
realizing I didn't have the second gas tank--just the cap and gooseneck
into space, I suddenly noticed the suspension. It looks like my wife's
grandfather (May he RIP) installed double rear leaf springs. I could
tell it was a fairly recent modification, since the U-bolts were pretty
clean and new looking.

What kind of tonnage rating is an F-250 with double leaf springs have? Is
it comparable to an F350 (1 ton)? It is not a burning question. I'm just
always curious about whatever I have...

Dennis in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:28:58 EST
From: Phazelag aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Locking Hubs

This may sound like a stupid question. Does it do any damage to your vehicle
to drive around with the Hubs locked. My buddy has been driving around with
the hubs on his jeep locked for four years he says and no damage he just puts
it 4WL when he goes off road. It must depend on your setup. Would it be
different with a locker installed?
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 23:13:24 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Steering Shaft Solution- Answers and Prices

8-) I don't want to get flamed for this-- but!!! Ok, My '78 f-250 4x4's
shaft doesn't have the rag joint, but a slip coupling at the end, however,
I know the yoke that attaches to the steering column is the same, thus that
and the universal would be the same... Maybe somebody could shed some light
on if the steering shaft end is the same as the F-150. (mine other truck
is about a 1/2 hour from here, so I can't just walk out and check) I'll
find out for sure Saturday-

Tony
tony pscico.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony

At 06:06 PM 11/19/98 EST, you wrote:
>Tony handles it again!
>
>Thanks....now, I just need to figure out if the F-150's have the same
parts as
>the F-250's....I imagine the yokes are the same....
>
>Colorado Jeff
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:18:15 -0600 (CST)
From: loustrk ix.netcom.com (louis sirio)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - factory lift blocks

I own a 1978 ford F-250.
I am looking for a set of factory lift blocks.
ford dealers do not support that part any
longer and my local yards were not able to help.
Any info would help.
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Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 22:17:57 -0600
From: Shawn Donkin
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Long tailshaft C6

Azie,
The transmission came from the junkyard, not sure what it came from, but the
engine came from a 79 bronco 4wd and is going into my 2wd 68 pickup. I'm
trying to find out if it's physically possible to move the engine towers
forward and get the transmission to fit w/out having to get my front
driveshaft shortened. If you you know please respond, i have not figured
this out yet... it looks very close. If at all possible i would like to get
this done this weekend. Maybe trying to exchange the long tailed c6 for a
short tailed one will be what i need to do.

Thanks,
Shawn Donkin
'68 F100 2wd (351m/c6)

am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:

> Shawn Donkin writes: >>Should i be using a c6 with a long tailshaft in
> this swap?
>
> In a 4X4????? How you gonna do this?????? Doesn't the Xfercase bolt
> directly to the tranny???
>
> I'm confused here!!!!!!
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:19:09 -0800
From: Jim Pliss
Subject: RE: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - F 250 plus

First check the spring width. If 2.25 inches wide then this is not unusual
for the F250 Heavy Duty that was sold a few years later than your truck My
73 has the same setup and the factorey wieght number is 2740 Lbs. Hope this
gives some insight.

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From: Dennis Pearson [SMTP:dpearson ctc.edu]
Sent: Thursday, November 19, 1998 7:31 PM
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Subject: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - F 250 plus



When I was crawling under my recently acquired '66 F250, checking wires and
realizing I didn't have the second gas tank--just the cap and gooseneck
into space, I suddenly noticed the suspension. It looks like my wife's
grandfather (May he RIP) installed double rear leaf springs. I could
tell it was a fairly recent modification, since the U-bolts were pretty
clean and new looking.

What kind of tonnage rating is an F-250 with double leaf springs have? Is
it comparable to an F350 (1 ton)? It is not a burning question. I'm just
always curious about whatever I have...

Dennis in Kennewick, WA

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 07:42:01 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4 wheel disc brakes

Ox,

I fully agree with you. Mudding, off-roading, racing, trailer pulling all
seem like a good reason to go four wheel disc. For an everyday driver, I
just don't see justification of the expense nor a need for the technology.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 06:04:15 -0800 (PST)
From: Arlene Mason
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '66 w/351

- ---am14 daimlerchrysler.com wrote:
>
> Patrick Kimbril writes: >>A friend of ours has a '66 Ford pickup with
> 351ci, automatic tranny, and I-beam suspension. Hes been told this
> combination is rare, like only 90 ever made. So is this a really rare
> vehicle or what?
>

> Now a 352 FE equipped '66 might be in proper order. Automatics in '66
> trucks were rare, but I wouldn't venture to guess how rare.
>
> Azie
> Ardmore, Al.
>

Actually, I can tell you that according to the owners manual that my
father had for his '66 F-100 (352 - 3 speed), the automatic
transmission "cruise-a-matic" was an option offered that year as was
the "styleside". They also offered a 6 cyl. with an automatic (my
grandfather had one of those). -- Funny, in 1969 my dad paid $1200
for the truck. In 1995 my brother was going to sell it for $1000. --
Gee, I wish I had taken him up on that!!! Oh well.

Arlene
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 06:14:56 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Locking Hubs

Driving around with the front hubs locked won't cause any "damage". It
simply means that the front diff/gears are always turning. So obviously
wear and tear is increased and gas mileage will probably be lower. It is
very convenient if you think you might need 4wd at a moments notice 'cause
all you have to do is put the xfer case in 4wd and off you go. I used to
drive my Ranger like this when I lived in MI and had to drive in a snow
storm.

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> From: Phazelag aol.com
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Locking Hubs
> Date: Thursday, November 19, 1998 7:28 PM
>
> This may sound like a stupid question. Does it do any damage to your
vehicle
> to drive around with the Hubs locked. My buddy has been driving around
with
> the hubs on his jeep locked for four years he says and no damage he just
puts
> it 4WL when he goes off road. It must depend on your setup. Would it be
> different with a locker installed?

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 06:48:11 -0800
From: Don
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Long tailshaft C6

I learned this when i changed my 78F250 4x4 from manual to automatic. I
used a c6 and tilt column outa a 79f150 SHORT box , after c6 replaced the
np435 i tried mounting the front drive shaft (double cardan joint) and the
original driveshaft would NOT work,drove around in 2wheel only for quite a
while.got different driveshaft and 4wheel again, but lesson learned was,
there are TWO c6 trans type w/tailshaft housings that connect to transfer
case. there is a difference in length of about ~1" or so...i NEEDED the c6
w/LONG tailshaft housing from a longbox as well as that is what mine was.

At 03:14 PM 11/19/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Shawn Donkin writes: >>Should i be using a c6 with a long tailshaft in
>this swap?
>
>In a 4X4????? How you gonna do this?????? Doesn't the Xfercase bolt
>directly to the tranny???
>
>I'm confused here!!!!!!
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
>
>
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BB chatroom name: broncodon
1979 Bronco Ranger XLT
400 ,C6,NP205,4.11 open diffs,16" wheels LT235/85/R16
Organization: I Cahoot With No One!!
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 08:48:08 -0800
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Long tailshaft C6

Hey, Azie, we're coworkers now! I didn't even think about that until I
saw your new email address. Did you get a watch and a box-o-propoganda
too? Did they have anything interesting to say? I'm still waiting on
mine. Either the brass in my corner of the company doesn't know how
many employees they really have, or several people helped themselves to
more than one of them. Either way, I'm not surprised. I hope the rest
of the company is more organized and aware than we are. Maybe I need a
transfer. Any openings in Alabama? :)

- --
Matt Cozad
1994 Toyota 4Runner 4x4 "Yoda"
1970 F100 4x4 "Jabba the Truck"
1969 F100 4x4 "Spare Parts"


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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:01:21 -0600
From: "Oscar Johnson"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Help!

Thanks to all who responded to my question on blinking lights and popping
relays. I tried replacing the headlight switch, but the problem remained.
Got the relay out last night after working in the very close quarters of a
glove box full of AC components and will try to find a replacement today for
that. It's made by Littlefuse but has a Ford part number on it.

O.T. Johnson
71 F250 Ranger XLT CS 360 2V C6

- -----Original Message-----
From: John Strauss
To: Ford Trucks List
Date: Thursday, November 19, 1998 3:15 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Help!


>>Driving home last night (71 F250 Ranger XLT CS 360 2V C6) my dash lights
>>went out and the headlights were flickering accompanied by electrical
relay
>>sounding clicks/noises from the right side of my dash. The truck has the
AC
>>unit under the dash on right side. Since I have had the truck, I have
>>noticed that I get a click from that location when I turn the headlights
on.
>>Any ideas?
>>
>I think this relay is used on Camper Specials, presumably because of the
>number of lights that have to be run (clearance lights and whatnot on the
>camper and/or trailer you might also be pulling). My C/S has one too. It
>is bolted to the a-pillar just inside the glove box hole.
>
>I figure either the relay has gone bad or the light switch has. I'd remove
>the glove box liner, put 12V to the relay and see if the lights come on
>steady or not. If they do, it's the switch. If not, it's the relay. If
>you find the relay at fault, I'd clean the ground good and test again
>before buying a new one. Could just be crudded up underneath.
>
> _
> _| ~~. John Strauss
> \, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
> \( Texas Fight!
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 11:56:03 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Locking Hubs

At 09:28 PM 11/19/98 , you wrote:
>This may sound like a stupid question. Does it do any damage to your vehicle
>to drive around with the Hubs locked. My buddy has been driving around with
>the hubs on his jeep locked for four years he says and no damage he just puts
>it 4WL when he goes off road. It must depend on your setup. Would it be
>different with a locker installed?


I wouldn't think you'd want to do this with a locker, depending on how the
locker was set up, but I would think it would be really hard on tires.
Actually its hard on tires anyway ...

I was running my truck the opposite way for a while (full time 4x with
hubs) and some people told me that was the reason my ring gear went out up
front ...


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 13:36:01 -0500
From: adam.hicks ppctx.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rebuild time! Got a few questions


Well... my truck is currently undergoing some renovation. I'm
having the heads rebuilt, having a new Edlebrock performer (M2166)
manifold and a new Holley 750 Vacuum secondary electric choke carb
installed. I'm also having a new timing chain and all new hoses
thrown on during the process. With all of these replacements, is
there anything else you guys can think of that I should do? I plan
on pulling the exhaust and having a little larger pipes ran all the
way through, and new flowmasters (not too loud) installed. I know
that if I make the pipes to big, I'll lose low end. Any
recommendations? I'm running a 77' F150 2WD with a 460, stock
exhaust manifolds. I'd like to get as much power as I reasonably
can out of this thing. It's a toy truck, and there's this b*st*rd
who hot rod's around in a 78ish Ch*vy who actually beat me off the
line the other day (of course my carb was so screwed that the rear
butterfly was jammed shut!) This will all be fixed, and I hope to
meet him on the street soon. :)

Thanks in advance!
Adam Hicks
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:01:11 -0500
From: "Jay Grover"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Rebuild time! Got a few questions

Adam,
I'd go with dual 2 1/2" mandrel-bent pipe, crossover (H tube, also 2 1/2"),
three-chamber Flowmasters, with turndowns in front of the rear axle. This
setup seems very popular across the board for drag racers, since many of the
tracks have implemented sound restriction rules. Dynomax also makes
affordable replacement cat converters, which otherwise would be one of the
more restrictive points in your exhaust.

Jay

> Well... my truck is currently undergoing some renovation. I'm
> having the heads rebuilt, having a new Edlebrock performer (M2166)
> manifold and a new Holley 750 Vacuum secondary electric choke carb
> installed. I'm also having a new timing chain and all new hoses
> thrown on during the process. With all of these replacements, is
> there anything else you guys can think of that I should do? I plan
> on pulling the exhaust and having a little larger pipes ran all the
> way through, and new flowmasters (not too loud) installed. I know
> that if I make the pipes to big, I'll lose low end. Any
> recommendations? I'm running a 77' F150 2WD with a 460, stock
> exhaust manifolds. I'd like to get as much power as I reasonably
> can out of this thing. It's a toy truck, and there's this b*st*rd
> who hot rod's around in a 78ish Ch*vy who actually beat me off the
> line the other day (of course my carb was so screwed that the rear
> butterfly was jammed shut!) This will all be fixed, and I hope to
> meet him on the street soon. :)
>
> Thanks in advance!
> Adam Hicks
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Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 16:01:19 -0800
From: Jim Pliss
Subject: RE: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - Rebuild time! Got a few questions

Cam it CAm it CAMMMM IT !!!!! always works after good head work but you'll
need to work on the carb. Holleys are pretty easy to setup but sometimes a
little picky when weather changes. I personally prefer the themoquad on the
street. But I have a holley under the hood of my fe block. Thermoquads or
quadrajets require a little more work on tunning but usually stay that way
in all weather. Have fun and Kick his $$$$ for us.

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From: adam.hicks ppctx.com [SMTP:adam.hicks ppctx.com]
Sent: Friday, November 20, 1998 10:36 AM
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Subject: (Archive Copy) FTE 61-79 - Rebuild time! Got a few questions


Well... my truck is currently undergoing some renovation. I'm
having the heads rebuilt, having a new Edlebrock performer (M2166)....


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