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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - master cylinders
FTE 61-79 - kingpins '65 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders
RE: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders
Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric fans
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric FAns.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Air Cleaner
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Steve's New Air Cleaner
Re: FTE 61-79 - kingpins '65 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tis the season (for carb pre-heat)
Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders
Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders
FTE 61-79 - Pacific NW hoods?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Pacific NW hoods?
Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders
Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders
Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders
RE: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders
FTE 61-79 - F-250 4X4 460 conversion-opinions
RE: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the road!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the road!
FTE 61-79 - SHUNT WIRE LOCATION
FTE 61-79 - Fwd:
FTE 61-79 - RE: Seal Kits for power steering
FTE 61-79 - Parts Alert!!
FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim????
RE: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders
Re: FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim????
FTE 61-79 - Distributor questions need help!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the road!
FTE 61-79 - New to list, several questions
Re: FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim????
FTE 61-79 - Thanks James E
FTE 61-79 - Oops! almost forgot! (Was "please help! Need my truck back on the road!")
Re: FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim????
[none]
FTE 61-79 - 78 Ford truck manuals
FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79-apreciate ALL the advice.
FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79-460
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:26:28 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders

The part about disc brakes requiring the bigger reservoir is correct. If
you go back and look at any four wheel drum vehicle with the two reservoir
system, both reservoirs will be the same size if it still has the original
or an original replacement. The 77 Eldorado I had sported 4 wheel disc
brakes. Both reservoirs were large. I have seen a some discussion on the
list about converting to 4 wheel discs, but no one has commented about
master cylinders for such a conversion. To tell the truth, I just now
considered it. I don't have a clue about what Ford apps used 4 wheel discs.
I would assume that there are some Mustangs and Lincolns at the very least.

I had some other thoughts too. AFAIK GM doesn't use a proportioning valve.
Is the MC different as far as allowing fluid back into the reservoir when
you release the brakes? I think Gary said something about the proportioning
valve effecting this. BTW on a GM pickup if you stomp the brakes suddenly,
the rear wheels will lock up every time. It is my understanding that one
function of the proportioning valve is to prevent premature rear brake
lockup. Late models have the computer controlled antilock system that
prevents(?) this. I was wondering if you bypass the proportioning valve if
the MC would work OK or if you would need to go to a GM type that doesn't
use the proportioning valve.

Has anyone ever tried to bolt up a GM MC to their Ford? I'm not suggesting
it as a solution, but there seems to always be someone somewhere that has
tried just about everything once.

- -John

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:16:49 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - kingpins '65 F100

> Applying heat (within reason) shouldn't diminish the I beam's
>integrity. The way to align them is heat and bend the I beams.
>
Uh, Deacon, I disagree. I was taught to NEVER heat the I-beams for
alignment purposes, to bend them cold using a hydraulic jack. The reason
is, as you point out, it's ok to heat for expansion but to bend, it would
have to be red-hot and this is not good.
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_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss inetport.com
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:18:55 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders

>brakes. Both reservoirs were large. I have seen a some discussion on the
>list about converting to 4 wheel discs, but no one has commented about
>master cylinders for such a conversion. To tell the truth, I just now
>considered it. I don't have a clue about what Ford apps used 4 wheel discs.
>I would assume that there are some Mustangs and Lincolns at the very least.
>
The only Mustang's with 4wheel discs stock are the 95+ ... and those are
the tiny little aluminum things with the plastic reservoir mounted to them.
The 96+'s have a hydraulic assist system that uses the power steering pump
to help them instead of vacuum, so these probably are not good candidates.
There was a limited production SVO for 84-86, and a 93 Cobra, but I'm not
sure what these used for mc's, not even sure the 93 had 4 wheel discs. The
SVO's used Lincoln (Versailles?) rearends to get 5 lugs and disc's all
around, so maybe that's a good place to start looking ... I think the new
99.5 F150 Lightning is using 4wheel disc's too, not sure about it, the only
one I've seen was on a truck this weekend ...


>I had some other thoughts too. AFAIK GM doesn't use a proportioning valve.
>Is the MC different as far as allowing fluid back into the reservoir when
>you release the brakes? I think Gary said something about the proportioning
>valve effecting this. BTW on a GM pickup if you stomp the brakes suddenly,
>the rear wheels will lock up every time. It is my understanding that one
>function of the proportioning valve is to prevent premature rear brake
>lockup. Late models have the computer controlled antilock system that
>prevents(?) this. I was wondering if you bypass the proportioning valve if
>the MC would work OK or if you would need to go to a GM type that doesn't
>use the proportioning valve.
>

I assume you mean for front disc/rear drum brakes here, if they're all the
same you shouldn't need a proportioning valve was my understanding ...
since they are all going to require similar volumes ... as for not using
one, they probably figure the rear wheel cylinders will freeze up and they
won't have them anyway, so why bother with fancy stuff like prop. valves
:) Just kidding, I have no idea why they'd do that.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:23:03 -0800
From: "Southerland, Rich"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders

My '78 G*C had a proportioning valve. It was hidden, bolted to the front
frame crossmember.
As for the 4 wheel disc M/C, One off a late 70's Town Car is massive.
Don't know about bolting up, port size tho...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John LaGrone
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 1998 8:26 AM
> To: Ford Trucks 61-79
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders
>
> The part about disc brakes requiring the bigger reservoir is correct. If
> you go back and look at any four wheel drum vehicle with the two reservoir
> system, both reservoirs will be the same size if it still has the original
> or an original replacement. The 77 Eldorado I had sported 4 wheel disc
> brakes. Both reservoirs were large. I have seen a some discussion on the
> list about converting to 4 wheel discs, but no one has commented about
> master cylinders for such a conversion. To tell the truth, I just now
> considered it. I don't have a clue about what Ford apps used 4 wheel
> discs.
> I would assume that there are some Mustangs and Lincolns at the very
> least.
>
> I had some other thoughts too. AFAIK GM doesn't use a proportioning valve.
> Is the MC different as far as allowing fluid back into the reservoir when
> you release the brakes? I think Gary said something about the
> proportioning
> valve effecting this. BTW on a GM pickup if you stomp the brakes suddenly,
> the rear wheels will lock up every time. It is my understanding that one
> function of the proportioning valve is to prevent premature rear brake
> lockup. Late models have the computer controlled antilock system that
> prevents(?) this. I was wondering if you bypass the proportioning valve if
> the MC would work OK or if you would need to go to a GM type that doesn't
> use the proportioning valve.
>
> Has anyone ever tried to bolt up a GM MC to their Ford? I'm not suggesting
> it as a solution, but there seems to always be someone somewhere that has
> tried just about everything once.
>
> -John
>
> jlagrone ford-trucks.com
> 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry)
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
> Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!
>
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:23:17 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders

>The SVO's used Lincoln (Versailles?) rearends to get 5 lugs and disc's all
>around, so maybe that's a good place to start looking ... I think the

I don't think it used the lincoln brakes. Seems the calipers and other part
are not interchangeable...
The MC has 1 /18 bore. Big for a car.

-srw

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:13:43 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric fans

Michael R. Masse wrote:
>Steve,
> Do you mind restating the techical info for your fans? cfm's?
>diameter? etc...

I use a 12" and a 14" fan sise by side on the stock 26" wide 3-row
radiator. The fans I think are made by perma-cool, and are rated
at 2200CFM and 2400CFM. They came from the local auto parts store.

You can find a picture of the installation on my website. Follow
the "71 F100" link...


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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:13:44 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric FAns.

Paul wrote:
>When you swapped in the electric fans do you still use the shroud? (Cause
>mine is "missing in action".) A new shroud is big bucks around here and I
>have had no luck find a suitable one at the wreckers.

No, I'm not using the stock shroud. Go see the picture on my website
(follow the "71 F100" link).

>Using puller or pusher fans, or both? And who makes really large units?
>(And how much?)

Mine are set up as "pullers". I couldn't find any really decent large
fans when I did mine. A lot of the large fans I found didn't really
move much more air than a small one. The two small fans I used have
a combined CFM rating that's higher than any single large fan I could
find...
The 12" fan was about $45 and the 14" was about $50.


Steve
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:36:48 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Air Cleaner

>>" The next job is to figure out how to modify an air cleaner housing
>> so I can run the tall 3-1/2" filter element and still have a closed
>> housing..." Steve

> Mid 80's 6.9 Diesels have a huge closed housing that will fit on a
>4 bbl.carb perfectly.May need to do a little work on the snorkle tho.

Ooooh, that would be cool! Can you tell me the dimensions of the
filter element it accepts, and what the diameter of the housing is?
I might have to find one of those...
Thanks!


Steve
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:36:47 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Steve's New Air Cleaner

Marv Miller wrote:

>Well, les'seeee. A second housing, a nibbler (preferably power) or
aviation snips, >about
>18 inches, times pi, divide by twelve, spot weld a bunch first. Yup, about
five feet >of
>semi-careful welding should do it. Wire brush, (bondo optional) spray
paint to taste, >and
>VIOLA!, you've eliminated carb for the winter, and still have air flow to
spare. Good
>luck.

Yeah, I've got a second housing already, and I may do a cut-n-weld operation
on it to make it an inch taller so it will accept the 3-1/2" filter, *if* I
can't find something more suitable at the wrecking yard...

>BTW, could you E-note me about the details of the thermo-switch for your
your fans.
>Sensor type and location. Control relay, etc? I'll be doing this in the
future.
>
>-Marv-

The thermswitch is an adjustable bulb-type thermostat. The bulb actually
lives inside the upper radiator hose. The cappilary tube snakes out
between the upper radiator neck and the hose. I put a thin piece of rubber
over the the neck, laid the capillary tube over the rubber pad, and then
slid the rad hose onto the neck over the cappillary tube. It seems to
seal just fine, I haven't had any leakage problems yet, altho it does
seem like kind of a tacky way to do it. *Someday* I'll solder a therm-well
in to the top of the rad tank so I've got a better place to put the
the probe, but since I'm not having any trouble with it yet...

The adjustable thermostat came from the auto parts store and was about $15,
but I found another one at a local electronics surplus house for $5.

Yes, I use a relay to drive the fans, because the current rating on the
thermostat is kinda marginal to run both fans.
I use one of those "Bosch style" relays.

You can find a picture of the thermostat at:
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:38:45 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - kingpins '65 F100

From: John Strauss
>Uh, Deacon, I disagree. I was taught to NEVER heat the I-beams for
>alignment purposes, to bend them cold using a hydraulic jack. The
reason
>is, as you point out, it's ok to heat for expansion but to bend, it
would
>have to be red-hot and this is not good.

I concede to this logic John. I hate it when things I say are used
against me. :[ I haven't a resource for alignment procedures on I beams.
My manuals say to take in because of the special tooling needed to bend
them. I was at Big "O" Tires and asked them how they were bent. They
showed me a hydraulic tool that had two arms that went on top of the I
beams and a ram that pushed up on the I beam. The guy showing it to me
said they heat the I beam. He probably new the tooling, not the
procedure. Your right that the heat required for bending would damage
the I beam.

I sit corrected. :) Thanks John for pointing it out.

Deacon
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:00:51 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tis the season (for carb pre-heat)


>> There's also a thermostatic vacuum thingy in the air cleaner housing
>> that shuts off the vacuum supply to the flap when the air temps are
>> high.

>Steve,
>
>Can you describe where the vacuum connections go for one of these?
>I picked up a stock airbox from a junkyard and am not sure where to
>bring in the vacuum connection. I'm assuming the thermostatic
>control is the metal thingy with two nipples, so vacuum goes
>to that first, then from there to one of the plastic doohickies
>on the side of the air cleaner, then from there to the snout
>controller. Or do I just go straight from the thermostat out
>to the snout?

Yeh, the metal thingy with the two nipples is the thermostat.
The plastic doohickes on the side of the aircleaner are just there
to make the hose routing a bit neater.
The vacuum hose should come off the air flap vaccum dookie on the snout,
and goes to one of the nipples on the thermostat. The other thermostat
nipple gets a hose that connects directly to intake manifold vacuum.

>Hmm, while I'm at it, does it matter which side of the thermostatic
>vacuum thingy is input and which is output?

As far as I can tell, it doesn't matter which nipple on the thermostat
is the "gozinta" and which one is the "gozouta".
I tried mine both ways, and it seems to work fine either way.


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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:37:18 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders

William S Hart wrote:
>
> >brakes. Both reservoirs were large. I have seen a some discussion on the
> >list about converting to 4 wheel discs, but no one has commented about
> >master cylinders for such a conversion. To tell the truth, I just now
> >considered it. I don't have a clue about what Ford apps used 4 wheel discs.

See earlier post. I'm using 78 Eldorado rear calipers, mid 80's front
GM 3/4 ton truck rotors (on dana 60 rear) and 86 Mustang SVO MC. MC
still has larger reservoir for front than rear, but I'm running twin
piston calipers on dana 60 front, so it still needs a larger front
reservoir, IMO. All this is on my 78 Bronc.

> There was a limited production SVO for 84-86,

This is the one I'm using.

>and a 93 Cobra, but I'm not
> sure what these used for mc's, not even sure the 93 had 4 wheel discs.

It did, in fact they used 94+ mustang 17" wheels, painted a different
color, so it had some pretty impressive brakes (like 12.6" fronts or
something).

> >I had some other thoughts too. AFAIK GM doesn't use a proportioning valve.
> >Is the MC different as far as allowing fluid back into the reservoir when
> >you release the brakes? I think Gary said something about the proportioning
> >valve effecting this. BTW on a GM pickup if you stomp the brakes suddenly,
> >the rear wheels will lock up every time. It is my understanding that one
> >function of the proportioning valve is to prevent premature rear brake
> >lockup. Late models have the computer controlled antilock system that
> >prevents(?) this. I was wondering if you bypass the proportioning valve if
> >the MC would work OK or if you would need to go to a GM type that doesn't
> >use the proportioning valve.
> >

Later model bronc's have prop valve screwed into MC (kinda hard to spot,
if your not looking), maybe GM's is internal to MC??

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:21:35 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders

What did you use to mount the caliper in the rear?
What rear axle do you have?
-srw

OX wrote:
> See earlier post. I'm using 78 Eldorado rear calipers, mid 80's front
>GM 3/4 ton truck rotors (on dana 60 rear) and 86 Mustang SVO MC. MC
>still has larger reservoir for front than rear, but I'm running twin
>piston calipers on dana 60 front, so it still needs a larger front
>reservoir, IMO. All this is on my 78 Bronc.
>


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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:35:50 -0800
From: "Jeff Towne"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pacific NW hoods?

Hello there fellow Pacific NW FTE's. With winter upon us it is time to pull
the truck inside for "freshening" before next spring. Most of the tasks are
just pain in rear labor (fixing oil leaks, tightening up steering, getting
2nd gear to stop popping out, replace some old wiring and get "brighter
brights") but the big one - New Paint !!- has caused a problem.

As is the case with many of the trucks of this vintage (65 F-250) the hood
has major rust out in the front. Due to the location it really isn't
feasible to attempt to repair. I have been casually looking for a hood for
the last year or so with no luck. Does anyone have a source for new or used
replacements or better yet a decent hood taking up space on the side of the
garage :-)

Also is there any difference between the hoods of the various passenger
truck models of that era, i.e what will interchange? All 65 F150-250
including CS? Maybe the 66's as well?

Thanks
Jeff Towne
65 F-250 Camper Special (not to "Special" right now, but come spring...)

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:39:43 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pacific NW hoods?

I was at a junk yard near Duvall, Wa a few weeks ago and they had a truck
with a hood. Lots of them actually, but one fo them was the right year... I
don't remeber the condition, but it wasn't too bad.
-srw

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Towne
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 1:37 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pacific NW hoods?


>Hello there fellow Pacific NW FTE's. With winter upon us it is time to pull
>the truck inside for "freshening" before next spring. Most of the tasks are
>just pain in rear labor (fixing oil leaks, tightening up steering, getting
>2nd gear to stop popping out, replace some old wiring and get "brighter
>brights") but the big one - New Paint !!- has caused a problem.
>
>As is the case with many of the trucks of this vintage (65 F-250) the hood
>has major rust out in the front. Due to the location it really isn't
>feasible to attempt to repair. I have been casually looking for a hood for
>the last year or so with no luck. Does anyone have a source for new or used
>replacements or better yet a decent hood taking up space on the side of the
>garage :-)
>
>Also is there any difference between the hoods of the various passenger
>truck models of that era, i.e what will interchange? All 65 F150-250
>including CS? Maybe the 66's as well?
>
>Thanks
>Jeff Towne
>65 F-250 Camper Special (not to "Special" right now, but come spring...)
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:49:00 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders

sam weatherby wrote:
>
> What did you use to mount the caliper in the rear?

Bracket from TSM.

> What rear axle do you have?

79-F250 rear.

OX
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:50:23 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders

sam weatherby wrote:
>
> What did you use to mount the caliper in the rear?
> What rear axle do you have?
> -srw
>

PS; see

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.off -road. com /4x4web/ford/bigbroncos/tech/reardisc/

OX
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:57:35 -0500
From: Dayton Boyd
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders

The newer for explorers and expeditions use 4 wheel disk..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 12:24 PM 11/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>brakes. Both reservoirs were large. I have seen a some discussion on the
>>list about converting to 4 wheel discs, but no one has commented about
>>master cylinders for such a conversion. To tell the truth, I just now
>>considered it. I don't have a clue about what Ford apps used 4 wheel discs.
>>I would assume that there are some Mustangs and Lincolns at the very least.
>>
>The only Mustang's with 4wheel discs stock are the 95+ ... and those are
>the tiny little aluminum things with the plastic reservoir mounted to them.
> The 96+'s have a hydraulic assist system that uses the power steering pump
>to help them instead of vacuum, so these probably are not good candidates.
>There was a limited production SVO for 84-86, and a 93 Cobra, but I'm not
>sure what these used for mc's, not even sure the 93 had 4 wheel discs. The
>SVO's used Lincoln (Versailles?) rearends to get 5 lugs and disc's all
>around, so maybe that's a good place to start looking ... I think the new
>99.5 F150 Lightning is using 4wheel disc's too, not sure about it, the only
>one I've seen was on a truck this weekend ...
>
>
>>I had some other thoughts too. AFAIK GM doesn't use a proportioning valve.
>>Is the MC different as far as allowing fluid back into the reservoir when
>>you release the brakes? I think Gary said something about the proportioning
>>valve effecting this. BTW on a GM pickup if you stomp the brakes suddenly,
>>the rear wheels will lock up every time. It is my understanding that one
>>function of the proportioning valve is to prevent premature rear brake
>>lockup. Late models have the computer controlled antilock system that
>>prevents(?) this. I was wondering if you bypass the proportioning valve if
>>the MC would work OK or if you would need to go to a GM type that doesn't
>>use the proportioning valve.
>>
>
>I assume you mean for front disc/rear drum brakes here, if they're all the
>same you shouldn't need a proportioning valve was my understanding ...
>since they are all going to require similar volumes ... as for not using
>one, they probably figure the rear wheel cylinders will freeze up and they
>won't have them anyway, so why bother with fancy stuff like prop. valves
>:) Just kidding, I have no idea why they'd do that.
>
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>Bill
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:11:15 -0800
From: "Southerland, Rich"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders

True that 4 wheel disc is available in the Expeditions, Explorers, Crown
Vics, Marquis, and the Lincoln line, most if not all of these are ABS
equipped vehicles. This may be a dumb question, but does the fact the
vehicle is ABS equipped make a difference in the master cylinder
construction versus non-ABS vehicles?

Said more simply: Say I put a M/C on my truck that was intended for an ABS
vehicle. Will it perform properly (given the rest of the system is
functioning correctly)?

Rich
'67 F100(4 wheel discs someday)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dayton Boyd
> Sent: Thursday, November 12, 1998 3:58 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders
>
> The newer for explorers and expeditions use 4 wheel disk..
>
> cannandale
> '78 F250 4x4, 460
>
> At 12:24 PM 11/12/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >>brakes. Both reservoirs were large. I have seen a some discussion on the
> >>list about converting to 4 wheel discs, but no one has commented about
> >>master cylinders for such a conversion. To tell the truth, I just now
> >>considered it. I don't have a clue about what Ford apps used 4 wheel
> discs.
> >>I would assume that there are some Mustangs and Lincolns at the very
> least.
> >>
> >The only Mustang's with 4wheel discs stock are the 95+ ... and those are
> >the tiny little aluminum things with the plastic reservoir mounted to
> them.
> > The 96+'s have a hydraulic assist system that uses the power steering
> pump
> >to help them instead of vacuum, so these probably are not good
> candidates.
> >There was a limited production SVO for 84-86, and a 93 Cobra, but I'm not
> >sure what these used for mc's, not even sure the 93 had 4 wheel discs.
> The
> >SVO's used Lincoln (Versailles?) rearends to get 5 lugs and disc's all
> >around, so maybe that's a good place to start looking ... I think the new
> >99.5 F150 Lightning is using 4wheel disc's too, not sure about it, the
> only
> >one I've seen was on a truck this weekend ...
> >
> >
> >>I had some other thoughts too. AFAIK GM doesn't use a proportioning
> valve.
> >>Is the MC different as far as allowing fluid back into the reservoir
> when
> >>you release the brakes? I think Gary said something about the
> proportioning
> >>valve effecting this. BTW on a GM pickup if you stomp the brakes
> suddenly,
> >>the rear wheels will lock up every time. It is my understanding that one
> >>function of the proportioning valve is to prevent premature rear brake
> >>lockup. Late models have the computer controlled antilock system that
> >>prevents(?) this. I was wondering if you bypass the proportioning valve
> if
> >>the MC would work OK or if you would need to go to a GM type that
> doesn't
> >>use the proportioning valve.
> >>
> >
> >I assume you mean for front disc/rear drum brakes here, if they're all
> the
> >same you shouldn't need a proportioning valve was my understanding ...
> >since they are all going to require similar volumes ... as for not using
> >one, they probably figure the rear wheel cylinders will freeze up and
> they
> >won't have them anyway, so why bother with fancy stuff like prop. valves
> >:) Just kidding, I have no idea why they'd do that.
> >
> >
> >Just my 2cents
> >
> >Bill
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:38:45 -0800
From: hankg mtaonline.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - F-250 4X4 460 conversion-opinions

I am wanting to install a 460 and would like input on satisfaction of
avalilable parts and proper fitment. My donor engine is from a 78 f-150
2wd so I have all the necessary motor mounts and cast iron manifolds.
Any opinions on items listed below good or bad? I intend to install an
A/T at the same time and already have that built.

motor mounts - frame end I' ve seen the trans-adapt for about $70 but
I've also seen ads for a company in Texas that sells 460 stuff. Really
want the engine to fit nice (Look factory).

Oil Pan -rear sump pan and pickup and main cap bolt w/stud is the
dealer about the only way to go? I understand econolines use the same
pan setup?

Exhaust
What is availible for exhaust other than fenderwell headers? Maybe
shorties? I don't want a three hour starter change.

Camshaft
Any recommendatitions on low rpm massive torque with C.A.R.B. rating.
My truck has 3.54 gears and will cruise about 2200 at 55 most of the
time.

Any opinions ? I am going to work on engine assy this winter so if you
have similar setup and found anything that worked well or not please
respond on any part or maybe something I haave overlooked totally.
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:48:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Arlene Mason
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the road!

We didn't have to replace the mount towers, they fit just fine, we DID
have to replace the motor mounts, and had a devil of a time finding
the right bolts to bolt the mounts to the motor. Nobody in any of the
auto parts stores had any, so another trip to the junkyard was in
order.

Arlene
'77 F100 - 400/C6

- ---Shawn Donkin wrote:
>
> I have all the brackets except one of the ps ones still connected to
the
> new
> engine so that shouldn't be a problem
> i found a c6 tranny after calling just about every place in the phone
> book
> (trans shops, junk yards etc) while visiting a friend today.
> looks like i'll have to give my old tranny + $175..oh well, so much
for
> keeping the 351c/c4 for a possible rebuild into a small(er)
> vehicle :( Maybe I'll just sell the 351c and use the money to
purchase
> a
> truck i found while also talking with my friend
> (76F100 with built 390/c6 for $200-$300 ..possible distributor went
bad
> and
> the truck died.) we'll see. As far as the mount towers go,
> can i just take them off a truck that comes with a 351m/400 or 460?
dont
>
> know if they'll fit my truck(68) where did you get yours from?
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Shawn
> '68 F100 2WD 351c/c4
> In with the new--->351m/c6 ( Cant Wait! )
>
>
> >----------
> >From: Arlene Mason
> >Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 2:29 PM
> >To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> >Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the
> road!
> >
> >
> >We swapped a 351C and FMX for a 400M and a C6, we did change the
motor
> >mounts and towers. The driveline did not need any modifacation, it
> >all fit just fine. The exhaust was perfect (of course we have
headers
> >and re-used the 351C heads). The only trouble we had was that inch
to
> >inch and a half difference in deck height, we needed to change all of
> >the brackets for the p/s and the alternator, etc. (and the
> >transmission - we hadn't planned on that not fitting). However, when
> >it was all done, the truck purrs!!! You will be happy with it once it
> >is on it's feet again!
> >
> >Arlene
> >'77 F100 - 400/C6
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:55:02 -0600
From: Shawn Donkin
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the road!

Luckily the engine mounts are still attached to the new motor. :^)

Thanks again,
Shawn
'68 F100 2wd (Insert 351m/c6 here(This weekend!))


Arlene Mason wrote:

> We didn't have to replace the mount towers, they fit just fine, we DID
> have to replace the motor mounts, and had a devil of a time finding
> the right bolts to bolt the mounts to the motor. Nobody in any of the
> auto parts stores had any, so another trip to the junkyard was in
> order.
>
> Arlene
> '77 F100 - 400/C6
>
> ---Shawn Donkin wrote:
> >
> > I have all the brackets except one of the ps ones still connected to
> the
> > new
> > engine so that shouldn't be a problem
> > i found a c6 tranny after calling just about every place in the phone
> > book
> > (trans shops, junk yards etc) while visiting a friend today.
> > looks like i'll have to give my old tranny + $175..oh well, so much
> for
> > keeping the 351c/c4 for a possible rebuild into a small(er)
> > vehicle :( Maybe I'll just sell the 351c and use the money to
> purchase
> > a
> > truck i found while also talking with my friend
> > (76F100 with built 390/c6 for $200-$300 ..possible distributor went
> bad
> > and
> > the truck died.) we'll see. As far as the mount towers go,
> > can i just take them off a truck that comes with a 351m/400 or 460?
> dont
> >
> > know if they'll fit my truck(68) where did you get yours from?
> >
> > Thanks for your help,
> > Shawn
> > '68 F100 2WD 351c/c4
> > In with the new--->351m/c6 ( Cant Wait! )
> >
> >
> > >----------
> > >From: Arlene Mason
> > >Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 2:29 PM
> > >To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> > >Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the
> > road!
> > >
> > >
> > >We swapped a 351C and FMX for a 400M and a C6, we did change the
> motor
> > >mounts and towers. The driveline did not need any modifacation, it
> > >all fit just fine. The exhaust was perfect (of course we have
> headers
> > >and re-used the 351C heads). The only trouble we had was that inch
> to
> > >inch and a half difference in deck height, we needed to change all of
> > >the brackets for the p/s and the alternator, etc. (and the
> > >transmission - we hadn't planned on that not fitting). However, when
> > >it was all done, the truck purrs!!! You will be happy with it once it
> > >is on it's feet again!
> > >
> > >Arlene
> > >'77 F100 - 400/C6
> >
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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:22:01 -0500
From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - SHUNT WIRE LOCATION

Hi List -
Does anyone know the location of the * shunt wire * .......the short
piece of wire that is hidden probably inside the dash harness that makes
your ammeter gauge work ? ? ?
This is the same shunt wire that Steve was talking about a few digests
ago.

Perhaps someone knows the color of it too ? ? ?
Jerry
1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW
1970 F100 (ret)

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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:11:18 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fwd:

Forwarded for "Gary, 78 BBB"

Well the list traffic is just too much for me to handle so I'm outahere :-(
Just kidding :-) They're putting in new computers and I don't know how long it
will take to get back on line so I'm uns*bscribing temporarily. See y'all
when ever :-)

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 05:24:27 -0600
From: "James Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Seal Kits for power steering


>Question is, has anyone replace or used a seal kit?
>Can a layman do this without having springs and bearings fly everywhere's.

I put new seals in my steering box this summer, and have suffered no ill
effects. If you are going to go to the trouble, go ahead and do both. I
actually took mine completely apart, each individual ball etc. etc. You do
not have to go that far just to do seals, but you will have to take off the
pitman arm, the top, and then the sector shaft that goes all the way from
top to bottom (what the pitman arm bolts to at the bottom, and the adj.
screw at top pushes against.) It is common for them to leak at the bottom
from what I am told, and for the bottom of the sector shaft to become scored
where a seal is. It is not complicated at all, and if you do not go further
than this, then there should be no flying parts. In other words, is not as
aggravating as a transmission or a carb. I would suggest laying everything
out as it fits during the dissasembly as it is difficult to find any
accurate explosion diagrams for these if you do not have a factory manual.

Jim E.



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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 05:40:34 -0600
From: "James Elliott"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Parts Alert!!

Okay, Ihave come across some parts that are bound to be of interest to
someone, but I will tell you up front they are in the Cincy, OH area. I
bought some misc. stuff off of this guy, like carpet, cargo light,
windshield, etc., but this is not worth me dragging home for my needs:

Parts from 69 F-250 w/360, 2wd, 8-lug

Front end - I beams, spindles, dual piston calipers, brake booster, (prop.
valve - maybe), radius rods I think, etc. wants 120, will deal. (prob get
for 75-100)
Rear - 9-inch, Posi, floater, 3.70+ gearing (unsure), complete drum to drum,
wants 250 will deal. (prob get for 200)
PS pumps for both windsor and FE, at least one, maybe two PS gearboxes, make
an offer.
C-6 for an FE (debating on this for a spare myself, asking 100)

In picking up my misc. stuff, I ended up with a couple of original '69
hubcaps (the small ones) and misc. switches and trim for the dash, glovebox
lid, etc. some of which I will not want. Also a door glass, not sure which
side, and a new rear glass in the box, (67-72).

E-mail me if you are interested in any and will discuss location, contact,
etc., off-list.

Jim E.
E-mail me if interested.




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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:11:12 -0500
From: Joe&Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim????

What would be the biggest tire to fit a 15x8 rim???Can i fit 31x10's
on them????thanks
joe
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:44:09 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders

At 06:11 PM 11/12/98 , you wrote:
>True that 4 wheel disc is available in the Expeditions, Explorers, Crown
>Vics, Marquis, and the Lincoln line, most if not all of these are ABS
>equipped vehicles. This may be a dumb question, but does the fact the
>vehicle is ABS equipped make a difference in the master cylinder
>construction versus non-ABS vehicles?
>
>Said more simply: Say I put a M/C on my truck that was intended for an ABS
>vehicle. Will it perform properly (given the rest of the system is
>functioning correctly)?

ABS is optional on the Mustang's, and it still uses a remote
sensor/modulator, as I imagine most of them do, the only difference I can
see they may have is a larger reservoir to hold more fluid. I'm not sure
how other people's ABS works, but on my 'stang it drops the pedal a half
inch or so, then shakes the car like crazy ... 'course I've only had it
come on while I was racin (most of it was legal racin too :) I think you'd
be alright with one of the ones for ABS as long as everything was not
mounted on it, which I think you'd be able to tell rather quickly.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:49:40 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim????

At 06:11 AM 11/13/98 , you wrote:
>What would be the biggest tire to fit a 15x8 rim???Can i fit 31x10's
>on them????thanks


Yup, pretty sure you can, wouldn't want to probably go too much bigger
(assuming you mean 31x10.5's) ... I have the old wagon wheels and I'm not
sure on the size, but I am sure the guy didn't spend any more than he had
to when he put it together. The 31's fit on mine, though the weights to
balance them are huge ...


Just my 2cents

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:59:41 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Distributor questions need help!

Okay some of you may have noticed earlier in the week I was asking about my
truck not running unless it had like 30degrees advance. Well I pulled the
front cover and everything off and sure enough the timing chain was LOOSE!
Well past the .5" limit that was listed in the book, so I replaced it ...
got it all back together last night and it fired up the first time ...I
thought great ... checked the timing, it was at about 18 degrees or so ...
not so great ... I dialed it back to about 10 and it ran a little rough,
but still ran...til I accidently killed it. It wasn't running right,
fortunately I hadn't even left the garage yet, so I put the door back down
and looked at the dist.

When I put the timing mark (say 10degrees) on the pointer and pull the cap
it is pointing at the next cylinder in line to fire. So I figured that
somehow I got the distributor off a notch, or it jumped somewhere along the
line. How much play is there supposed to be in the rotor itself as far as
up and down movement ? Is 1/2" excessive ?

Now my real question that I need help with .... when I pulled the
distributor I heard that awful clank of the oil pump shaft dropping ... but
looking down the hole,its still sitting in there, so through some unknown
force it must've fallen straight back down. But I can't get my dist to sit
back down! I had this problem last time I did the head gasket too.

Does anyone know a trick to putting the distributor back in ? I've done it
numerous times and this truck always seems to be the worst, are FE's just a
pain in the rear or what ?

I really wanted to get that thing runnin this week, but since there's a
hockey game tonight it doesn't look like that'll happen, but I have all day
tomorrow to play with it, so I'd really like your input.

Thanks,
Bill
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 05:55:22 -0800 (PST)
From: Arlene Mason
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the road!

Let me know how it goes!


- ---Shawn Donkin wrote:
>
> Luckily the engine mounts are still attached to the new motor. :^)
>
> Thanks again,
> Shawn
> '68 F100 2wd (Insert 351m/c6 here(This weekend!))
>

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:34:27 EST
From: Bigwink1 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New to list, several questions

I have a huge 77 F250 called Big Ugly. I want to swap out the cab and bed.
My cab is beyond repair, and I have found a donor in very good shape. I
basically want to keep my engine, and everything from the frame down, and put
on a new body. I also have a C6 transmission to reguild to replace the 4
speed in it. Anything special besides changing the flywheel? Any leads on a
new short shaft for it since the old one won't fit? And can someone please
tell me the difference between the 351W, 351C, and my engine, the 351M?

thanks,

wink
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:18:21 -0800
From: "Bill Beyer"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim????

Yes!!!!

- ----------
> From: Joe&Jen DeLaurentis
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim????
> Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 4:11 AM
>
> What would be the biggest tire to fit a 15x8 rim???Can i fit 31x10's
> on them????thanks
> joe

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:16:04 -0600
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Thanks James E

Thanks James for the steering info.. Regarding the scored shaft, if I come

accross this condition is there a fix or just put the new seal over it?

Still am concerned about the worm gear being a mid point when installing

so I will have the same steering ratio to the right as to the left.

Hope I haven't left anybody scratching their heads an wondering what the

heck is he talking about.


Thanks again

Larry


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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:38:53 -0600
From: Shawn Donkin
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oops! almost forgot! (Was "please help! Need my truck back on the road!")

One more thing i didn't think about, the plate in between the flywheel
and
the engine (The technical term is "Thingamabobber" i think) Can i use
one from a 460?
or do i need one that's specifically from a 351m/400? And the yoke from
the c4, will it fit in the c6? All the bolts are off, only thing left is
pulling it, seperating the engine and trans and taking the trans down to
the yard for my c6 and then "everything else" :^)

Can anyone help?

Shawn Donkin
'68 F100 - 351m/c6?(Getting closer)

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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:16:38 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim????

Just as a little add-on-

A LOT of my offroading friends (and including me at one point in time for
about 2 years) like to run 33x12.5x15's on those 8" steel wagon wheel rims.
The reason they prefer the 8 inch wide ones is when offroading the bead is
held better than on a 10 incher and you have that buffer zone of tire
sidewall when scrubbing the sides on the tire. (kinda like hitting a curb
will hit the tire rather than the rim) Perfectly safe to run a 33x12.5 on
an 8".

Sooo 31x10.5- yeah, no problem.

Tony
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At 06:49 AM 11/13/98 -0600, you wrote:
>At 06:11 AM 11/13/98 , you wrote:
>>What would be the biggest tire to fit a 15x8 rim???Can i fit 31x10's
>>on them????thanks
>
>
>Yup, pretty sure you can, wouldn't want to probably go too much bigger
>(assuming you mean 31x10.5's) ... I have the old wagon wheels and I'm not
>sure on the size, but I am sure the guy didn't spend any more than he had
>to when he put it together. The 31's fit on mine, though the weights to
>balance them are huge ...
>
>
>Just my 2cents
>
>Bill
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Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:06:20
From: Andrew Eichorn
Subject: [none]

Hi
I have just recently purchased a ford f350 that i would like to restore,
being only new to the game i am having trouble identifying this vehicle and
am desperately trying to find a manual.

The vehicle ident plate is

prefix serial no sido no model
AK3JFP 19628 400590 73521D41


ENG TRANS RR.AX FT.AX PAINT TRIM GVW
D J P 6 L Y 10000lbs


Could any one tell me were this vehicle was manufactured, the year it was
made and where i might find a manual.

Any information would be greatly appreciated



Andrew
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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:26:17 -0500
From: "Mr. Paul R. Boudreault"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 Ford truck manuals

Hi guys.

Just thought I would mention there is a set of four 1978 shop manuals up for
auction on "E-bay" site at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://pages.ebay.com/aw/search.html

Just type shop manuals in the search box if you interested. Current high
bid appears to be $21.53 as of time of this post. Auction is in 5 days or
so.

Later,

"Paul"


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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:58:58 -0600
From: f-100bosco juno.com (Ronald E Werts)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79-apreciate ALL the advice.

I like Deacons attitude
" Who's laughing? Asking before jumping into it, saved you from
unnecessary damage. Everyone who likes fixing things has escalated minor
repairs to need a new one, many times. It goes with the territory.
Design Engineers love hiding bolts for some reason. I bet there's a
bonus for them if it's found a part's replaced do to their hidden bolt."


I heard that a mechanic ran off with an engineers wife and ever since
then
engineeres have it in for mechanics!

one word on heating kingpins, when you heat it dont jack around, dont
heat it
hotter than you have to, but heat it up hot quickly so the heat doesnt
transfer to the pin and expand if this happens just leave it and let it
all cool and start over again.

todays messages were of interest to me since on my 67-460-c6 swap
I mounted an 87 stang Gt mc&booster only cause i got it free, dont know
if
it was worth it,had to do some "engineering" I hooked the lines up the
same
as they were on the truck, they might of been oppisite on the car, i was
in to
much of a hurry to care. The truck had one line for front brakes, the car
had two.
i wonder if i put 2 lines for the truck if it will firm up the brakes?
I got the disc brakes and spindles off a newer truck, i was astounded
(big word for a diesel mechanic) that the 67 kingpins slipped right in!

noticed where my brake pedel pivots it is wore out, maybe giving to much
travel.

The power steering geer box i put on is leaking (running) outr the output
shaft seal, thats my next job.

it also needs floor pans.


revin my 67!
haulin freight in my 68!

keep on sending the good advice, I hate having to learn the hard way
EVERY time!

BOSCO


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Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:24:42 -0600
From: f-100bosco juno.com (Ronald E Werts)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79-460

Did someone want a lead on a 460? I cant find the message.
BOSCO


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Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:45:08 -0800
From: "jeffd"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!
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