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61-79-list-digest Friday, November 13 1998 Volume 02 : Number 521 ======================================================================= Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - To unsubscribe, send email to: majordomo  ford-trucks.com with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the message. ======================================================================= In this issue: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders FTE 61-79 - kingpins '65 F100 Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders RE: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric fans Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric FAns. Re: FTE 61-79 - Air Cleaner Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Steve's New Air Cleaner Re: FTE 61-79 - kingpins '65 F100 Re: FTE 61-79 - Tis the season (for carb pre-heat) Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders FTE 61-79 - Pacific NW hoods? Re: FTE 61-79 - Pacific NW hoods? Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders RE: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders FTE 61-79 - F-250 4X4 460 conversion-opinions RE: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the road! Re: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the road! FTE 61-79 - SHUNT WIRE LOCATION FTE 61-79 - Fwd: FTE 61-79 - RE: Seal Kits for power steering FTE 61-79 - Parts Alert!! FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim???? RE: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders Re: FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim???? FTE 61-79 - Distributor questions need help! Re: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the road! FTE 61-79 - New to list, several questions Re: FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim???? FTE 61-79 - Thanks James E FTE 61-79 - Oops! almost forgot! (Was "please help! Need my truck back on the road!") Re: FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim???? [none] FTE 61-79 - 78 Ford truck manuals FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79-apreciate ALL the advice. FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79-460 Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!! Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!! ======================================================================= ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 10:26:28 -0600 From: John LaGrone Subject: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders The part about disc brakes requiring the bigger reservoir is correct. If you go back and look at any four wheel drum vehicle with the two reservoir system, both reservoirs will be the same size if it still has the original or an original replacement. The 77 Eldorado I had sported 4 wheel disc brakes. Both reservoirs were large. I have seen a some discussion on the list about converting to 4 wheel discs, but no one has commented about master cylinders for such a conversion. To tell the truth, I just now considered it. I don't have a clue about what Ford apps used 4 wheel discs. I would assume that there are some Mustangs and Lincolns at the very least. I had some other thoughts too. AFAIK GM doesn't use a proportioning valve. Is the MC different as far as allowing fluid back into the reservoir when you release the brakes? I think Gary said something about the proportioning valve effecting this. BTW on a GM pickup if you stomp the brakes suddenly, the rear wheels will lock up every time. It is my understanding that one function of the proportioning valve is to prevent premature rear brake lockup. Late models have the computer controlled antilock system that prevents(?) this. I was wondering if you bypass the proportioning valve if the MC would work OK or if you would need to go to a GM type that doesn't use the proportioning valve. Has anyone ever tried to bolt up a GM MC to their Ford? I'm not suggesting it as a solution, but there seems to always be someone somewhere that has tried just about everything once. - -John jlagrone ford-trucks.com 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry) http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm Dearborn iron rules!!!!!! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:16:49 -0600 From: John Strauss Subject: FTE 61-79 - kingpins '65 F100 > Applying heat (within reason) shouldn't diminish the I beam's >integrity. The way to align them is heat and bend the I beams. > Uh, Deacon, I disagree. I was taught to NEVER heat the I-beams for alignment purposes, to bend them cold using a hydraulic jack. The reason is, as you point out, it's ok to heat for expansion but to bend, it would have to be red-hot and this is not good. _ _| ~~. John Strauss \, *_} jstrauss inetport.com \( Texas Fight! == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 11:18:55 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders >brakes. Both reservoirs were large. I have seen a some discussion on the >list about converting to 4 wheel discs, but no one has commented about >master cylinders for such a conversion. To tell the truth, I just now >considered it. I don't have a clue about what Ford apps used 4 wheel discs. >I would assume that there are some Mustangs and Lincolns at the very least. > The only Mustang's with 4wheel discs stock are the 95+ ... and those are the tiny little aluminum things with the plastic reservoir mounted to them. The 96+'s have a hydraulic assist system that uses the power steering pump to help them instead of vacuum, so these probably are not good candidates. There was a limited production SVO for 84-86, and a 93 Cobra, but I'm not sure what these used for mc's, not even sure the 93 had 4 wheel discs. The SVO's used Lincoln (Versailles?) rearends to get 5 lugs and disc's all around, so maybe that's a good place to start looking ... I think the new 99.5 F150 Lightning is using 4wheel disc's too, not sure about it, the only one I've seen was on a truck this weekend ... >I had some other thoughts too. AFAIK GM doesn't use a proportioning valve. >Is the MC different as far as allowing fluid back into the reservoir when >you release the brakes? I think Gary said something about the proportioning >valve effecting this. BTW on a GM pickup if you stomp the brakes suddenly, >the rear wheels will lock up every time. It is my understanding that one >function of the proportioning valve is to prevent premature rear brake >lockup. Late models have the computer controlled antilock system that >prevents(?) this. I was wondering if you bypass the proportioning valve if >the MC would work OK or if you would need to go to a GM type that doesn't >use the proportioning valve. > I assume you mean for front disc/rear drum brakes here, if they're all the same you shouldn't need a proportioning valve was my understanding ... since they are all going to require similar volumes ... as for not using one, they probably figure the rear wheel cylinders will freeze up and they won't have them anyway, so why bother with fancy stuff like prop. valves :) Just kidding, I have no idea why they'd do that. Just my 2cents Bill Auto Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/cars.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Trucks/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Cars/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:23:03 -0800 From: "Southerland, Rich" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders My '78 G*C had a proportioning valve. It was hidden, bolted to the front frame crossmember. As for the 4 wheel disc M/C, One off a late 70's Town Car is massive. Don't know about bolting up, port size tho... > -----Original Message----- > From: John LaGrone > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 1998 8:26 AM > To: Ford Trucks 61-79 > Subject: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders > > The part about disc brakes requiring the bigger reservoir is correct. If > you go back and look at any four wheel drum vehicle with the two reservoir > system, both reservoirs will be the same size if it still has the original > or an original replacement. The 77 Eldorado I had sported 4 wheel disc > brakes. Both reservoirs were large. I have seen a some discussion on the > list about converting to 4 wheel discs, but no one has commented about > master cylinders for such a conversion. To tell the truth, I just now > considered it. I don't have a clue about what Ford apps used 4 wheel > discs. > I would assume that there are some Mustangs and Lincolns at the very > least. > > I had some other thoughts too. AFAIK GM doesn't use a proportioning valve. > Is the MC different as far as allowing fluid back into the reservoir when > you release the brakes? I think Gary said something about the > proportioning > valve effecting this. BTW on a GM pickup if you stomp the brakes suddenly, > the rear wheels will lock up every time. It is my understanding that one > function of the proportioning valve is to prevent premature rear brake > lockup. Late models have the computer controlled antilock system that > prevents(?) this. I was wondering if you bypass the proportioning valve if > the MC would work OK or if you would need to go to a GM type that doesn't > use the proportioning valve. > > Has anyone ever tried to bolt up a GM MC to their Ford? I'm not suggesting > it as a solution, but there seems to always be someone somewhere that has > tried just about everything once. > > -John > > jlagrone ford-trucks.com > 1979 F150 Custom 351M C6 (Henry) > http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm > Dearborn iron rules!!!!!! > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 09:23:17 -0800 From: "sam weatherby" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders >The SVO's used Lincoln (Versailles?) rearends to get 5 lugs and disc's all >around, so maybe that's a good place to start looking ... I think the I don't think it used the lincoln brakes. Seems the calipers and other part are not interchangeable... The MC has 1 /18 bore. Big for a car. -srw == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:13:43 -0800 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric fans Michael R. Masse wrote: >Steve, > Do you mind restating the techical info for your fans? cfm's? >diameter? etc... I use a 12" and a 14" fan sise by side on the stock 26" wide 3-row radiator. The fans I think are made by perma-cool, and are rated at 2200CFM and 2400CFM. They came from the local auto parts store. You can find a picture of the installation on my website. Follow the "71 F100" link... Steve http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- F. P. Jones == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:13:44 -0800 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric FAns. Paul wrote: >When you swapped in the electric fans do you still use the shroud? (Cause >mine is "missing in action".) A new shroud is big bucks around here and I >have had no luck find a suitable one at the wreckers. No, I'm not using the stock shroud. Go see the picture on my website (follow the "71 F100" link). >Using puller or pusher fans, or both? And who makes really large units? >(And how much?) Mine are set up as "pullers". I couldn't find any really decent large fans when I did mine. A lot of the large fans I found didn't really move much more air than a small one. The two small fans I used have a combined CFM rating that's higher than any single large fan I could find... The 12" fan was about $45 and the 14" was about $50. Steve http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- F. P. Jones == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:36:48 -0800 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Air Cleaner >>" The next job is to figure out how to modify an air cleaner housing >> so I can run the tall 3-1/2" filter element and still have a closed >> housing..." Steve > Mid 80's 6.9 Diesels have a huge closed housing that will fit on a >4 bbl.carb perfectly.May need to do a little work on the snorkle tho. Ooooh, that would be cool! Can you tell me the dimensions of the filter element it accepts, and what the diameter of the housing is? I might have to find one of those... Thanks! Steve http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- F. P. Jones == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:36:47 -0800 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Steve's New Air Cleaner Marv Miller wrote: >Well, les'seeee. A second housing, a nibbler (preferably power) or aviation snips, >about >18 inches, times pi, divide by twelve, spot weld a bunch first. Yup, about five feet >of >semi-careful welding should do it. Wire brush, (bondo optional) spray paint to taste, >and >VIOLA!, you've eliminated carb for the winter, and still have air flow to spare. Good >luck. Yeah, I've got a second housing already, and I may do a cut-n-weld operation on it to make it an inch taller so it will accept the 3-1/2" filter, *if* I can't find something more suitable at the wrecking yard... >BTW, could you E-note me about the details of the thermo-switch for your your fans. >Sensor type and location. Control relay, etc? I'll be doing this in the future. > >-Marv- The thermswitch is an adjustable bulb-type thermostat. The bulb actually lives inside the upper radiator hose. The cappilary tube snakes out between the upper radiator neck and the hose. I put a thin piece of rubber over the the neck, laid the capillary tube over the rubber pad, and then slid the rad hose onto the neck over the cappillary tube. It seems to seal just fine, I haven't had any leakage problems yet, altho it does seem like kind of a tacky way to do it. *Someday* I'll solder a therm-well in to the top of the rad tank so I've got a better place to put the the probe, but since I'm not having any trouble with it yet... The adjustable thermostat came from the auto parts store and was about $15, but I found another one at a local electronics surplus house for $5. Yes, I use a relay to drive the fans, because the current rating on the thermostat is kinda marginal to run both fans. I use one of those "Bosch style" relays. You can find a picture of the thermostat at: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/show-n-tell/fantherm.jpg Steve http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- F. P. Jones == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 12:38:45 -0800 From: "Deacon" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - kingpins '65 F100 From: John Strauss >Uh, Deacon, I disagree. I was taught to NEVER heat the I-beams for >alignment purposes, to bend them cold using a hydraulic jack. The reason >is, as you point out, it's ok to heat for expansion but to bend, it would >have to be red-hot and this is not good. I concede to this logic John. I hate it when things I say are used against me. :[ I haven't a resource for alignment procedures on I beams. My manuals say to take in because of the special tooling needed to bend them. I was at Big "O" Tires and asked them how they were bent. They showed me a hydraulic tool that had two arms that went on top of the I beams and a ram that pushed up on the I beam. The guy showing it to me said they heat the I beam. He probably new the tooling, not the procedure. Your right that the heat required for bending would damage the I beam. I sit corrected. :) Thanks John for pointing it out. Deacon deconblu earthlink.net http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.earthlink.net/~deconblu/ ============================================== Depression is merely anger without enthusiasm ============================================== == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:00:51 -0800 From: sdelanty sonic.net Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tis the season (for carb pre-heat) >> There's also a thermostatic vacuum thingy in the air cleaner housing >> that shuts off the vacuum supply to the flap when the air temps are >> high. >Steve, > >Can you describe where the vacuum connections go for one of these? >I picked up a stock airbox from a junkyard and am not sure where to >bring in the vacuum connection. I'm assuming the thermostatic >control is the metal thingy with two nipples, so vacuum goes >to that first, then from there to one of the plastic doohickies >on the side of the air cleaner, then from there to the snout >controller. Or do I just go straight from the thermostat out >to the snout? Yeh, the metal thingy with the two nipples is the thermostat. The plastic doohickes on the side of the aircleaner are just there to make the hose routing a bit neater. The vacuum hose should come off the air flap vaccum dookie on the snout, and goes to one of the nipples on the thermostat. The other thermostat nipple gets a hose that connects directly to intake manifold vacuum. >Hmm, while I'm at it, does it matter which side of the thermostatic >vacuum thingy is input and which is output? As far as I can tell, it doesn't matter which nipple on the thermostat is the "gozinta" and which one is the "gozouta". I tried mine both ways, and it seems to work fine either way. Steve http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a mistake when you make it again. -- F. P. Jones == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 14:37:18 -0500 From: luxjo thecore.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders William S Hart wrote: > > >brakes. Both reservoirs were large. I have seen a some discussion on the > >list about converting to 4 wheel discs, but no one has commented about > >master cylinders for such a conversion. To tell the truth, I just now > >considered it. I don't have a clue about what Ford apps used 4 wheel discs. See earlier post. I'm using 78 Eldorado rear calipers, mid 80's front GM 3/4 ton truck rotors (on dana 60 rear) and 86 Mustang SVO MC. MC still has larger reservoir for front than rear, but I'm running twin piston calipers on dana 60 front, so it still needs a larger front reservoir, IMO. All this is on my 78 Bronc. > There was a limited production SVO for 84-86, This is the one I'm using. >and a 93 Cobra, but I'm not > sure what these used for mc's, not even sure the 93 had 4 wheel discs. It did, in fact they used 94+ mustang 17" wheels, painted a different color, so it had some pretty impressive brakes (like 12.6" fronts or something). > >I had some other thoughts too. AFAIK GM doesn't use a proportioning valve. > >Is the MC different as far as allowing fluid back into the reservoir when > >you release the brakes? I think Gary said something about the proportioning > >valve effecting this. BTW on a GM pickup if you stomp the brakes suddenly, > >the rear wheels will lock up every time. It is my understanding that one > >function of the proportioning valve is to prevent premature rear brake > >lockup. Late models have the computer controlled antilock system that > >prevents(?) this. I was wondering if you bypass the proportioning valve if > >the MC would work OK or if you would need to go to a GM type that doesn't > >use the proportioning valve. > > Later model bronc's have prop valve screwed into MC (kinda hard to spot, if your not looking), maybe GM's is internal to MC?? OX == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:21:35 -0800 From: "sam weatherby" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders What did you use to mount the caliper in the rear? What rear axle do you have? -srw OX wrote: > See earlier post. I'm using 78 Eldorado rear calipers, mid 80's front >GM 3/4 ton truck rotors (on dana 60 rear) and 86 Mustang SVO MC. MC >still has larger reservoir for front than rear, but I'm running twin >piston calipers on dana 60 front, so it still needs a larger front >reservoir, IMO. All this is on my 78 Bronc. > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:35:50 -0800 From: "Jeff Towne" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pacific NW hoods? Hello there fellow Pacific NW FTE's. With winter upon us it is time to pull the truck inside for "freshening" before next spring. Most of the tasks are just pain in rear labor (fixing oil leaks, tightening up steering, getting 2nd gear to stop popping out, replace some old wiring and get "brighter brights") but the big one - New Paint !!- has caused a problem. As is the case with many of the trucks of this vintage (65 F-250) the hood has major rust out in the front. Due to the location it really isn't feasible to attempt to repair. I have been casually looking for a hood for the last year or so with no luck. Does anyone have a source for new or used replacements or better yet a decent hood taking up space on the side of the garage :-) Also is there any difference between the hoods of the various passenger truck models of that era, i.e what will interchange? All 65 F150-250 including CS? Maybe the 66's as well? Thanks Jeff Towne 65 F-250 Camper Special (not to "Special" right now, but come spring...) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 13:39:43 -0800 From: "sam weatherby" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Pacific NW hoods? I was at a junk yard near Duvall, Wa a few weeks ago and they had a truck with a hood. Lots of them actually, but one fo them was the right year... I don't remeber the condition, but it wasn't too bad. -srw - -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Towne To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com Date: Thursday, November 12, 1998 1:37 PM Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pacific NW hoods? >Hello there fellow Pacific NW FTE's. With winter upon us it is time to pull >the truck inside for "freshening" before next spring. Most of the tasks are >just pain in rear labor (fixing oil leaks, tightening up steering, getting >2nd gear to stop popping out, replace some old wiring and get "brighter >brights") but the big one - New Paint !!- has caused a problem. > >As is the case with many of the trucks of this vintage (65 F-250) the hood >has major rust out in the front. Due to the location it really isn't >feasible to attempt to repair. I have been casually looking for a hood for >the last year or so with no luck. Does anyone have a source for new or used >replacements or better yet a decent hood taking up space on the side of the >garage :-) > >Also is there any difference between the hoods of the various passenger >truck models of that era, i.e what will interchange? All 65 F150-250 >including CS? Maybe the 66's as well? > >Thanks >Jeff Towne >65 F-250 Camper Special (not to "Special" right now, but come spring...) > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:49:00 -0500 From: luxjo thecore.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders sam weatherby wrote: > > What did you use to mount the caliper in the rear? Bracket from TSM. > What rear axle do you have? 79-F250 rear. OX == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:50:23 -0500 From: luxjo thecore.com Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders sam weatherby wrote: > > What did you use to mount the caliper in the rear? > What rear axle do you have? > -srw > PS; see http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.off -road.  com /4x4web/ford/bigbroncos/tech/reardisc/ OX == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:57:35 -0500 From: Dayton Boyd Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders The newer for explorers and expeditions use 4 wheel disk.. cannandale '78 F250 4x4, 460 At 12:24 PM 11/12/98 -0500, you wrote: > >>brakes. Both reservoirs were large. I have seen a some discussion on the >>list about converting to 4 wheel discs, but no one has commented about >>master cylinders for such a conversion. To tell the truth, I just now >>considered it. I don't have a clue about what Ford apps used 4 wheel discs. >>I would assume that there are some Mustangs and Lincolns at the very least. >> >The only Mustang's with 4wheel discs stock are the 95+ ... and those are >the tiny little aluminum things with the plastic reservoir mounted to them. > The 96+'s have a hydraulic assist system that uses the power steering pump >to help them instead of vacuum, so these probably are not good candidates. >There was a limited production SVO for 84-86, and a 93 Cobra, but I'm not >sure what these used for mc's, not even sure the 93 had 4 wheel discs. The >SVO's used Lincoln (Versailles?) rearends to get 5 lugs and disc's all >around, so maybe that's a good place to start looking ... I think the new >99.5 F150 Lightning is using 4wheel disc's too, not sure about it, the only >one I've seen was on a truck this weekend ... > > >>I had some other thoughts too. AFAIK GM doesn't use a proportioning valve. >>Is the MC different as far as allowing fluid back into the reservoir when >>you release the brakes? I think Gary said something about the proportioning >>valve effecting this. BTW on a GM pickup if you stomp the brakes suddenly, >>the rear wheels will lock up every time. It is my understanding that one >>function of the proportioning valve is to prevent premature rear brake >>lockup. Late models have the computer controlled antilock system that >>prevents(?) this. I was wondering if you bypass the proportioning valve if >>the MC would work OK or if you would need to go to a GM type that doesn't >>use the proportioning valve. >> > >I assume you mean for front disc/rear drum brakes here, if they're all the >same you shouldn't need a proportioning valve was my understanding ... >since they are all going to require similar volumes ... as for not using >one, they probably figure the rear wheel cylinders will freeze up and they >won't have them anyway, so why bother with fancy stuff like prop. valves >:) Just kidding, I have no idea why they'd do that. > > >Just my 2cents > >Bill > >Auto Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/cars.html >'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Trucks/truck.html >'96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Cars/mustang.html >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 16:11:15 -0800 From: "Southerland, Rich" Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders True that 4 wheel disc is available in the Expeditions, Explorers, Crown Vics, Marquis, and the Lincoln line, most if not all of these are ABS equipped vehicles. This may be a dumb question, but does the fact the vehicle is ABS equipped make a difference in the master cylinder construction versus non-ABS vehicles? Said more simply: Say I put a M/C on my truck that was intended for an ABS vehicle. Will it perform properly (given the rest of the system is functioning correctly)? Rich '67 F100(4 wheel discs someday) > -----Original Message----- > From: Dayton Boyd > Sent: Thursday, November 12, 1998 3:58 PM > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders > > The newer for explorers and expeditions use 4 wheel disk.. > > cannandale > '78 F250 4x4, 460 > > At 12:24 PM 11/12/98 -0500, you wrote: > > > >>brakes. Both reservoirs were large. I have seen a some discussion on the > >>list about converting to 4 wheel discs, but no one has commented about > >>master cylinders for such a conversion. To tell the truth, I just now > >>considered it. I don't have a clue about what Ford apps used 4 wheel > discs. > >>I would assume that there are some Mustangs and Lincolns at the very > least. > >> > >The only Mustang's with 4wheel discs stock are the 95+ ... and those are > >the tiny little aluminum things with the plastic reservoir mounted to > them. > > The 96+'s have a hydraulic assist system that uses the power steering > pump > >to help them instead of vacuum, so these probably are not good > candidates. > >There was a limited production SVO for 84-86, and a 93 Cobra, but I'm not > >sure what these used for mc's, not even sure the 93 had 4 wheel discs. > The > >SVO's used Lincoln (Versailles?) rearends to get 5 lugs and disc's all > >around, so maybe that's a good place to start looking ... I think the new > >99.5 F150 Lightning is using 4wheel disc's too, not sure about it, the > only > >one I've seen was on a truck this weekend ... > > > > > >>I had some other thoughts too. AFAIK GM doesn't use a proportioning > valve. > >>Is the MC different as far as allowing fluid back into the reservoir > when > >>you release the brakes? I think Gary said something about the > proportioning > >>valve effecting this. BTW on a GM pickup if you stomp the brakes > suddenly, > >>the rear wheels will lock up every time. It is my understanding that one > >>function of the proportioning valve is to prevent premature rear brake > >>lockup. Late models have the computer controlled antilock system that > >>prevents(?) this. I was wondering if you bypass the proportioning valve > if > >>the MC would work OK or if you would need to go to a GM type that > doesn't > >>use the proportioning valve. > >> > > > >I assume you mean for front disc/rear drum brakes here, if they're all > the > >same you shouldn't need a proportioning valve was my understanding ... > >since they are all going to require similar volumes ... as for not using > >one, they probably figure the rear wheel cylinders will freeze up and > they > >won't have them anyway, so why bother with fancy stuff like prop. valves > >:) Just kidding, I have no idea why they'd do that. > > > > > >Just my 2cents > > > >Bill > > > >Auto Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/cars.html > >'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Trucks/truck.html > >'96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Cars/mustang.html > >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:38:45 -0800 From: hankg mtaonline.net Subject: FTE 61-79 - F-250 4X4 460 conversion-opinions I am wanting to install a 460 and would like input on satisfaction of avalilable parts and proper fitment. My donor engine is from a 78 f-150 2wd so I have all the necessary motor mounts and cast iron manifolds. Any opinions on items listed below good or bad? I intend to install an A/T at the same time and already have that built. motor mounts - frame end I' ve seen the trans-adapt for about $70 but I've also seen ads for a company in Texas that sells 460 stuff. Really want the engine to fit nice (Look factory). Oil Pan -rear sump pan and pickup and main cap bolt w/stud is the dealer about the only way to go? I understand econolines use the same pan setup? Exhaust What is availible for exhaust other than fenderwell headers? Maybe shorties? I don't want a three hour starter change. Camshaft Any recommendatitions on low rpm massive torque with C.A.R.B. rating. My truck has 3.54 gears and will cruise about 2200 at 55 most of the time. Any opinions ? I am going to work on engine assy this winter so if you have similar setup and found anything that worked well or not please respond on any part or maybe something I haave overlooked totally. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 17:48:16 -0800 (PST) From: Arlene Mason Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the road! We didn't have to replace the mount towers, they fit just fine, we DID have to replace the motor mounts, and had a devil of a time finding the right bolts to bolt the mounts to the motor. Nobody in any of the auto parts stores had any, so another trip to the junkyard was in order. Arlene '77 F100 - 400/C6 - ---Shawn Donkin wrote: > > I have all the brackets except one of the ps ones still connected to the > new > engine so that shouldn't be a problem > i found a c6 tranny after calling just about every place in the phone > book > (trans shops, junk yards etc) while visiting a friend today. > looks like i'll have to give my old tranny + $175..oh well, so much for > keeping the 351c/c4 for a possible rebuild into a small(er) > vehicle :( Maybe I'll just sell the 351c and use the money to purchase > a > truck i found while also talking with my friend > (76F100 with built 390/c6 for $200-$300 ..possible distributor went bad > and > the truck died.) we'll see. As far as the mount towers go, > can i just take them off a truck that comes with a 351m/400 or 460? dont > > know if they'll fit my truck(68) where did you get yours from? > > Thanks for your help, > Shawn > '68 F100 2WD 351c/c4 > In with the new--->351m/c6 ( Cant Wait! ) > > > >---------- > >From: Arlene Mason > >Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 2:29 PM > >To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > >Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the > road! > > > > > >We swapped a 351C and FMX for a 400M and a C6, we did change the motor > >mounts and towers. The driveline did not need any modifacation, it > >all fit just fine. The exhaust was perfect (of course we have headers > >and re-used the 351C heads). The only trouble we had was that inch to > >inch and a half difference in deck height, we needed to change all of > >the brackets for the p/s and the alternator, etc. (and the > >transmission - we hadn't planned on that not fitting). However, when > >it was all done, the truck purrs!!! You will be happy with it once it > >is on it's feet again! > > > >Arlene > >'77 F100 - 400/C6 > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:55:02 -0600 From: Shawn Donkin Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the road! Luckily the engine mounts are still attached to the new motor. :^) Thanks again, Shawn '68 F100 2wd (Insert 351m/c6 here(This weekend!)) Arlene Mason wrote: > We didn't have to replace the mount towers, they fit just fine, we DID > have to replace the motor mounts, and had a devil of a time finding > the right bolts to bolt the mounts to the motor. Nobody in any of the > auto parts stores had any, so another trip to the junkyard was in > order. > > Arlene > '77 F100 - 400/C6 > > ---Shawn Donkin wrote: > > > > I have all the brackets except one of the ps ones still connected to > the > > new > > engine so that shouldn't be a problem > > i found a c6 tranny after calling just about every place in the phone > > book > > (trans shops, junk yards etc) while visiting a friend today. > > looks like i'll have to give my old tranny + $175..oh well, so much > for > > keeping the 351c/c4 for a possible rebuild into a small(er) > > vehicle :( Maybe I'll just sell the 351c and use the money to > purchase > > a > > truck i found while also talking with my friend > > (76F100 with built 390/c6 for $200-$300 ..possible distributor went > bad > > and > > the truck died.) we'll see. As far as the mount towers go, > > can i just take them off a truck that comes with a 351m/400 or 460? > dont > > > > know if they'll fit my truck(68) where did you get yours from? > > > > Thanks for your help, > > Shawn > > '68 F100 2WD 351c/c4 > > In with the new--->351m/c6 ( Cant Wait! ) > > > > > > >---------- > > >From: Arlene Mason > > >Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 2:29 PM > > >To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > > >Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the > > road! > > > > > > > > >We swapped a 351C and FMX for a 400M and a C6, we did change the > motor > > >mounts and towers. The driveline did not need any modifacation, it > > >all fit just fine. The exhaust was perfect (of course we have > headers > > >and re-used the 351C heads). The only trouble we had was that inch > to > > >inch and a half difference in deck height, we needed to change all of > > >the brackets for the p/s and the alternator, etc. (and the > > >transmission - we hadn't planned on that not fitting). However, when > > >it was all done, the truck purrs!!! You will be happy with it once it > > >is on it's feet again! > > > > > >Arlene > > >'77 F100 - 400/C6 > > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info > http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > > > _________________________________________________________ > DO YOU YAHOO!? > > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 21:22:01 -0500 From: "Jerry" Subject: FTE 61-79 - SHUNT WIRE LOCATION Hi List - Does anyone know the location of the * shunt wire * .......the short piece of wire that is hidden probably inside the dash harness that makes your ammeter gauge work ? ? ? This is the same shunt wire that Steve was talking about a few digests ago. Perhaps someone knows the color of it too ? ? ? Jerry 1969 F350 Dually reefer 351W AOD PS PB PW 1970 F100 (ret) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 22:11:18 -0500 From: Ken Payne Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fwd: Forwarded for "Gary, 78 BBB" Well the list traffic is just too much for me to handle so I'm outahere :-( Just kidding :-) They're putting in new computers and I don't know how long it will take to get back on line so I'm uns*bscribing temporarily. See y'all when ever :-) Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary -- == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 05:24:27 -0600 From: "James Elliott" Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Seal Kits for power steering >Question is, has anyone replace or used a seal kit? >Can a layman do this without having springs and bearings fly everywhere's. I put new seals in my steering box this summer, and have suffered no ill effects. If you are going to go to the trouble, go ahead and do both. I actually took mine completely apart, each individual ball etc. etc. You do not have to go that far just to do seals, but you will have to take off the pitman arm, the top, and then the sector shaft that goes all the way from top to bottom (what the pitman arm bolts to at the bottom, and the adj. screw at top pushes against.) It is common for them to leak at the bottom from what I am told, and for the bottom of the sector shaft to become scored where a seal is. It is not complicated at all, and if you do not go further than this, then there should be no flying parts. In other words, is not as aggravating as a transmission or a carb. I would suggest laying everything out as it fits during the dissasembly as it is difficult to find any accurate explosion diagrams for these if you do not have a factory manual. Jim E. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 05:40:34 -0600 From: "James Elliott" Subject: FTE 61-79 - Parts Alert!! Okay, Ihave come across some parts that are bound to be of interest to someone, but I will tell you up front they are in the Cincy, OH area. I bought some misc. stuff off of this guy, like carpet, cargo light, windshield, etc., but this is not worth me dragging home for my needs: Parts from 69 F-250 w/360, 2wd, 8-lug Front end - I beams, spindles, dual piston calipers, brake booster, (prop. valve - maybe), radius rods I think, etc. wants 120, will deal. (prob get for 75-100) Rear - 9-inch, Posi, floater, 3.70+ gearing (unsure), complete drum to drum, wants 250 will deal. (prob get for 200) PS pumps for both windsor and FE, at least one, maybe two PS gearboxes, make an offer. C-6 for an FE (debating on this for a spare myself, asking 100) In picking up my misc. stuff, I ended up with a couple of original '69 hubcaps (the small ones) and misc. switches and trim for the dash, glovebox lid, etc. some of which I will not want. Also a door glass, not sure which side, and a new rear glass in the box, (67-72). E-mail me if you are interested in any and will discuss location, contact, etc., off-list. Jim E. E-mail me if interested. == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 07:11:12 -0500 From: Joe&Jen DeLaurentis Subject: FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim???? What would be the biggest tire to fit a 15x8 rim???Can i fit 31x10's on them????thanks joe == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:44:09 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - master cylinders At 06:11 PM 11/12/98 , you wrote: >True that 4 wheel disc is available in the Expeditions, Explorers, Crown >Vics, Marquis, and the Lincoln line, most if not all of these are ABS >equipped vehicles. This may be a dumb question, but does the fact the >vehicle is ABS equipped make a difference in the master cylinder >construction versus non-ABS vehicles? > >Said more simply: Say I put a M/C on my truck that was intended for an ABS >vehicle. Will it perform properly (given the rest of the system is >functioning correctly)? ABS is optional on the Mustang's, and it still uses a remote sensor/modulator, as I imagine most of them do, the only difference I can see they may have is a larger reservoir to hold more fluid. I'm not sure how other people's ABS works, but on my 'stang it drops the pedal a half inch or so, then shakes the car like crazy ... 'course I've only had it come on while I was racin (most of it was legal racin too :) I think you'd be alright with one of the ones for ABS as long as everything was not mounted on it, which I think you'd be able to tell rather quickly. Just my 2cents Bill Auto Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/cars.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Trucks/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Cars/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:49:40 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim???? At 06:11 AM 11/13/98 , you wrote: >What would be the biggest tire to fit a 15x8 rim???Can i fit 31x10's >on them????thanks Yup, pretty sure you can, wouldn't want to probably go too much bigger (assuming you mean 31x10.5's) ... I have the old wagon wheels and I'm not sure on the size, but I am sure the guy didn't spend any more than he had to when he put it together. The 31's fit on mine, though the weights to balance them are huge ... Just my 2cents Bill Auto Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/cars.html '73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Trucks/truck.html '96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Cars/mustang.html == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 06:59:41 -0600 From: William S Hart Subject: FTE 61-79 - Distributor questions need help! Okay some of you may have noticed earlier in the week I was asking about my truck not running unless it had like 30degrees advance. Well I pulled the front cover and everything off and sure enough the timing chain was LOOSE! Well past the .5" limit that was listed in the book, so I replaced it ... got it all back together last night and it fired up the first time ...I thought great ... checked the timing, it was at about 18 degrees or so ... not so great ... I dialed it back to about 10 and it ran a little rough, but still ran...til I accidently killed it. It wasn't running right, fortunately I hadn't even left the garage yet, so I put the door back down and looked at the dist. When I put the timing mark (say 10degrees) on the pointer and pull the cap it is pointing at the next cylinder in line to fire. So I figured that somehow I got the distributor off a notch, or it jumped somewhere along the line. How much play is there supposed to be in the rotor itself as far as up and down movement ? Is 1/2" excessive ? Now my real question that I need help with .... when I pulled the distributor I heard that awful clank of the oil pump shaft dropping ... but looking down the hole,its still sitting in there, so through some unknown force it must've fallen straight back down. But I can't get my dist to sit back down! I had this problem last time I did the head gasket too. Does anyone know a trick to putting the distributor back in ? I've done it numerous times and this truck always seems to be the worst, are FE's just a pain in the rear or what ? I really wanted to get that thing runnin this week, but since there's a hockey game tonight it doesn't look like that'll happen, but I have all day tomorrow to play with it, so I'd really like your input. Thanks, Bill == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 05:55:22 -0800 (PST) From: Arlene Mason Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the road! Let me know how it goes! - ---Shawn Donkin wrote: > > Luckily the engine mounts are still attached to the new motor. :^) > > Thanks again, > Shawn > '68 F100 2wd (Insert 351m/c6 here(This weekend!)) > _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 09:34:27 EST From: Bigwink1 aol.com Subject: FTE 61-79 - New to list, several questions I have a huge 77 F250 called Big Ugly. I want to swap out the cab and bed. My cab is beyond repair, and I have found a donor in very good shape. I basically want to keep my engine, and everything from the frame down, and put on a new body. I also have a C6 transmission to reguild to replace the 4 speed in it. Anything special besides changing the flywheel? Any leads on a new short shaft for it since the old one won't fit? And can someone please tell me the difference between the 351W, 351C, and my engine, the 351M? thanks, wink == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 08:18:21 -0800 From: "Bill Beyer" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim???? Yes!!!! - ---------- > From: Joe&Jen DeLaurentis > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com > Subject: FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim???? > Date: Friday, November 13, 1998 4:11 AM > > What would be the biggest tire to fit a 15x8 rim???Can i fit 31x10's > on them????thanks > joe == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:16:04 -0600 From: Larry Schmiedekamp Subject: FTE 61-79 - Thanks James E Thanks James for the steering info.. Regarding the scored shaft, if I come accross this condition is there a fix or just put the new seal over it? Still am concerned about the worm gear being a mid point when installing so I will have the same steering ratio to the right as to the left. Hope I haven't left anybody scratching their heads an wondering what the heck is he talking about. Thanks again Larry == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 11:38:53 -0600 From: Shawn Donkin Subject: FTE 61-79 - Oops! almost forgot! (Was "please help! Need my truck back on the road!") One more thing i didn't think about, the plate in between the flywheel and the engine (The technical term is "Thingamabobber" i think) Can i use one from a 460? or do i need one that's specifically from a 351m/400? And the yoke from the c4, will it fit in the c6? All the bolts are off, only thing left is pulling it, seperating the engine and trans and taking the trans down to the yard for my c6 and then "everything else" :^) Can anyone help? Shawn Donkin '68 F100 - 351m/c6?(Getting closer) == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 15:16:38 -0500 From: Tony Marino Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - WHat tire will fit a 15x8 rim???? Just as a little add-on- A LOT of my offroading friends (and including me at one point in time for about 2 years) like to run 33x12.5x15's on those 8" steel wagon wheel rims. The reason they prefer the 8 inch wide ones is when offroading the bead is held better than on a 10 incher and you have that buffer zone of tire sidewall when scrubbing the sides on the tire. (kinda like hitting a curb will hit the tire rather than the rim) Perfectly safe to run a 33x12.5 on an 8". Sooo 31x10.5- yeah, no problem. Tony tony pscico.com http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com At 06:49 AM 11/13/98 -0600, you wrote: >At 06:11 AM 11/13/98 , you wrote: >>What would be the biggest tire to fit a 15x8 rim???Can i fit 31x10's >>on them????thanks > > >Yup, pretty sure you can, wouldn't want to probably go too much bigger >(assuming you mean 31x10.5's) ... I have the old wagon wheels and I'm not >sure on the size, but I am sure the guy didn't spend any more than he had >to when he put it together. The 31's fit on mine, though the weights to >balance them are huge ... > > >Just my 2cents > >Bill > >Auto Links http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/cars.html >'73 1/2 ton 4x4 Ford http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Trucks/truck.html >'96 Mustang GT http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://ranger3.cc.iastate.edu/Cars/mustang.html >== FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html > > == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 09:06:20 From: Andrew Eichorn Subject: [none] Hi I have just recently purchased a ford f350 that i would like to restore, being only new to the game i am having trouble identifying this vehicle and am desperately trying to find a manual. The vehicle ident plate is prefix serial no sido no model AK3JFP 19628 400590 73521D41 ENG TRANS RR.AX FT.AX PAINT TRIM GVW D J P 6 L Y 10000lbs Could any one tell me were this vehicle was manufactured, the year it was made and where i might find a manual. Any information would be greatly appreciated Andrew == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 18:26:17 -0500 From: "Mr. Paul R. Boudreault" Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 Ford truck manuals Hi guys. Just thought I would mention there is a set of four 1978 shop manuals up for auction on "E-bay" site at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://pages.ebay.com/aw/search.html Just type shop manuals in the search box if you interested. Current high bid appears to be $21.53 as of time of this post. Auction is in 5 days or so. Later, "Paul" == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 18:58:58 -0600 From: f-100bosco juno.com (Ronald E Werts) Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79-apreciate ALL the advice. I like Deacons attitude " Who's laughing? Asking before jumping into it, saved you from unnecessary damage. Everyone who likes fixing things has escalated minor repairs to need a new one, many times. It goes with the territory. Design Engineers love hiding bolts for some reason. I bet there's a bonus for them if it's found a part's replaced do to their hidden bolt." I heard that a mechanic ran off with an engineers wife and ever since then engineeres have it in for mechanics! one word on heating kingpins, when you heat it dont jack around, dont heat it hotter than you have to, but heat it up hot quickly so the heat doesnt transfer to the pin and expand if this happens just leave it and let it all cool and start over again. todays messages were of interest to me since on my 67-460-c6 swap I mounted an 87 stang Gt mc&booster only cause i got it free, dont know if it was worth it,had to do some "engineering" I hooked the lines up the same as they were on the truck, they might of been oppisite on the car, i was in to much of a hurry to care. The truck had one line for front brakes, the car had two. i wonder if i put 2 lines for the truck if it will firm up the brakes? I got the disc brakes and spindles off a newer truck, i was astounded (big word for a diesel mechanic) that the 67 kingpins slipped right in! noticed where my brake pedel pivots it is wore out, maybe giving to much travel. The power steering geer box i put on is leaking (running) outr the output shaft seal, thats my next job. it also needs floor pans. revin my 67! haulin freight in my 68! keep on sending the good advice, I hate having to learn the hard way EVERY time! BOSCO ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 19:24:42 -0600 From: f-100bosco juno.com (Ronald E Werts) Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79-460 Did someone want a lead on a 460? I cant find the message. BOSCO ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] == FTE: Uns*bscribe and posting info http://www.ford-trucks.com/faq.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Nov 1998 17:45:08 -0800 From: "jeffd" Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!! .... 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