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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Brake lines
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - major starter problems
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!
FTE 61-79 - the truth about ford locks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gearing?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric fans
Re: FTE 61-79 - the truth about ford locks
FTE 61-79 - Transmission jack
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!
FTE 61-79 - Pitman Arm?
FTE 61-79 - troubled carb
FTE 61-79 - Electric FAns.
FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the road!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric fans
Re: FTE 61-79 - the truth about ford locks
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric FAns.
Re: FTE 61-79 - 4X4 differential ratios
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric FAns.
Re: FTE 61-79 - the truth about ford locks
Re: FTE 61-79 - the truth about ford locks
RE: FTE 61-79 - the truth about ford locks
FTE 61-79 - Re: Steve's New Air Cleaner
FTE 61-79 - Re: Steve's New Air Cleaner
FTE 61-79 - Disc brakes
Re: FTE 61-79 - Two speed axles??
Re: FTE 61-79 - kingpins' 65 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Disc brakes
FTE 61-79 - Fw: [CM:14337] 2 spd real axle.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft rattle (cont.)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the road!
FTE 61-79 - Air Cleaner
Re: FTE 61-79 - kingpins' 65 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!
FTE 61-79 - starter problems -- solution
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tis the season (for carb pre-heat)
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Rods
FTE 61-79 - Stu! How's it going?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gearing?
FTE 61-79 - 351M rebuild
FTE 61-79 - '71 F100 4x4 Power Steering

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:21:15 EST
From: Phazelag aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake lines

I just had the same problem with my 78 F-150 that had been modified with
3/4ton axles and twin piston caliper brakes. The guy who did this
modification (old Owner) had installed the brake lines with the large
reservoir in to the rear and this is wrong. A mechanic figured it out for me
after I couldnt. He switched the lines (large reservoir to the front) and the
brakes are now fine. Hope this helps Scott
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:01:34 -0800
From: "jeffd"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!

The trans will from the 390 will fit ,332, 352, 360, 390, 406, 427, 428.
The 460 trans fits 429, 460, 351M, 400M.
This info is from page 83 of Petersen's 4 Wheel & Offroad Tech Tip &
How-To's with a burgundy J**p on the cover.

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> From: adam.hicks ppctx.com
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!
> Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 9:03 AM
>
>
> I have the opportunity haul off a '73 Ford F-150 with a 390 in it.
> The truck was running great, but the carb. gave out on it. A
> friend of a friend is wanting it out of his driveway, and asked me
> if I wanted it (for free.) He's put about $1300 in it in the last
> few months. I own a '77 F-150 with a 460 (I think it's a trailer
> special or something like that.) The truck I'm picking up has a
> new transmission with less than 50 miles on it, a complete brake
> system (rotors, pads, master cylinder, etc) a new high power coil,
> battery, starter, etc. It also has a posi-trak 9" rear end.
>
> I'm hoping to pull parts as I need from the truck. Mainly, I'm
> interested in the transmission.
>
> With as little information as I have, what are the chances of
> mating the transmission from the 390 to my 460? Will it work at
> all?
>
> Also, anyone on this list that wants anything can have whatever I
> don't use for free. Just let me know. It will be in the Dallas /
> Ft. Worth area.
>
> Please e-mail me any information on parts that I can use on my '77
> 460.
>
> AHicks ppctx.com
>
> Thanks in advance!!!
> Adam Hicks
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 20:56:51 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - major starter problems

Jamey wrote:
>This starter jinx thing is really getting out of hand! The starter on my 67
>F100 (with a 400 motor in it) went out Monday. I got underneath it tonight
>to remove the old one, only to discover that the &%#$ !! previous owner had
>over-torqued the top mounting bolt and snapped it off in the starter. The
>starters on these engines have two mounting bolts, and the one on the bottom
>is just a hole with no threads. But of course the hole with the snapped off
>bolt is the one that is threaded, so now the starter won't come off.
ttachment for my die grinder to convert it
>to a cutoff tool. A Dremel is too small for this task I think, and my
>cutoff tool has that safety guard on it that prevents me from getting the
>proper angle to cut the flange off all the way.

>
>Thanks for your help,
>
>Jamey Moss

That's a tough one about the broken starter bolt... i don't have
much good advise about that except for a good die grinder and cut-off
wheel and a lot of patience. Best of luck...

I'd be curious about what manner of starter failure you had. Did it just
quit cranking, or does it spin but not engage the flywheel, or what?
Starters can be a royal pain to change, and I've been thinking lately
about what starter failures might be "preventable".
I'd be interested in hearing about what different "failure modes" people
have experianced with their Ford starters so i can learn what the most
common failures are.
Please tell me how yours died...

Good luck with your broken bolt,


Steve
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Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to
recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones


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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:56:19 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!

The 390 C-6 Transmission will not bolt to the 460. Only those from a 351M,
400, 370, 429, or 460 will mate up.
Thanks
Burt Hill Kennewick, Wa 1972 F250 4x4
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:13:50 +1100
From: Simon
Subject: FTE 61-79 - the truth about ford locks

howdy,

i've recently developed some problems with my ignition lock and i thought
i'd vox pop the list to get an idea of what folks generally feel about
their locks. the key to my 76 f100 is real worn and i can't get it to
switch to the 'off' position so i can get it out of the ignition, a spring
in the housing keeps nudging it to the 'on' (first) position.

i asked around some of the wreckers here and the general consensus they
seemed to give me was: "ford locks are f*ck*d, they always develop these
kinds of problems some day." i asked if i could get a replacement ignition
lock and they said they aren't made anymore and i'd have to replace the
whole steering column with one that has a lock mounted in the side. i
thought, just for a moment there, i caught dollar signs flash through the
guy's eyes, but he's a nice enough guy and surely he wouldn't be out there
to rip me off even if i do have the misfortune of being born looking like a
rank amateur at everything i do, right?

so, while i get a locksmith to look into this, i'd thought i'd check to see
if this is a common problem and what kind of solution people have come up
with. i'm loathe to yank the whole column just over the ignition lock. i'm
australian, so it could just be that there are no replacements in
australia. are they still made at all, or are they available from anywhere?
if i can get one through a catalog, or something, that would help me out a
lot (i don't even have the part number for it), because it looks a hell of
a lot easier to replace the ignition lock than to replace the whole damn
steering column.

so, whats the mood of the list on this issue?

kind regards
- -simon

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:41:40 -0600
From: "Michael R. Masse"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gearing?

MC wrote:
>
> "Brodie, Doug" wrote:
>
> > A two speed axle with the
> > lower gear the same as the front diff!!!!!
> > I only want OD in 2wd mode. What do ya think guys & gals? Is this all just
> > a stupid idea?
>
> A 2 speed rear axle? In a pickup? It sounds like a really cool idea, but I
> have never heard of, or seen a 2 speed axle small enough for a pickup. If you
> figure out how to do it, let me know so I can do it too!
>

There was an article over the summer in "Four Wheeler" that showed a
step by step process for installing a huge 5 ton Rockwell axle in a
pickup. The person basicly shortened each tube and then modified the
outer parts of the tube to accept a Dana 60 spindle. He then used the
Dana 60 hub and brakes and then had axleshafts custom built, thereby
allowing him to keep his 8 lug wheels. The one in the article was only
a 1 speed, but the two speed axles I've seen are no larger then this
one. Kiss your ground clearance goodbye though, even though this guy
was using 46" tires :)

-Mike
'78 Bronco
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:47:36 -0600
From: "Michael R. Masse"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric fans

Steve,
Do you mind restating the techical info for your fans? cfm's?
diameter? etc...

sdelanty sonic.net wrote:

>
> I think 200F is a nice temperature. I run a 195F thermostat, and my fans
> don't come on until about 205F. I can run mine much cooler if I want,
> but higher coolant temps are good for efficiency and reduced engine wear
> as long as the oil temps don't get out of hand.
> I think the dual fans on my 3-row radcore would be more than adequate for
> a 460. With the 4-row it should be plenty extra good...
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 02:21:28 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - the truth about ford locks

Simon-

I don't have any advice for you to fix the problem, but about 2 years ago
when I first bought my '78 F-150 the ignition switch had a hard time
turning into the "on" position and I eventually had to run down to the
local NAPA auto parts to buy a new one for about $20 bucks. I don't know
if they recently stopped producing them, but seems to me I saw the same
thing hanging on the wall at AutoZone the other day too?

Tony
tony pscico.com
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony

At 04:13 PM 11/11/98 +1100, you wrote:
>howdy,
>
>i've recently developed some problems with my ignition lock and i thought
>i'd vox pop the list to get an idea of what folks generally feel about
>their locks. the key to my 76 f100 is real worn and i can't get it to
>switch to the 'off' position so i can get it out of the ignition, a spring
>in the housing keeps nudging it to the 'on' (first) position.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 23:22:25 -0800
From: "Douglas W. Hack"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Transmission jack

I've spent a lot of time cursing when changing transmissions. I used to
use a scissors jack with plywood bolted on top and bottom for
stability. This worked okay for up and down, but was the pits for
positioning and moving back and forth. This setup with casters would be
pretty fair.

When it came time to pull the T18 out of my parts truck, I decided I
wasn't going to mess with the scissors jack again. I'd just picked up a
used hydraulic floor jack (a fairly standard one, not big, or
professional) and I made a wooden saddle for it with wedge shaped sides
to cradle the bottom of the transmission. This I bolted to the jack
using the hole the removable metal saddle came out of. I used a
ratcheting tie-down strap to bind the tranny to the saddle and it worked
really great. It was really easy to control the height and position.
Putting it back in will be the real test, but I expect it to go fairly
well. The strap keeps it from getting away, but allows it to move some
for alignment. The saddle will also pivot on the bolt with a little
persuasion, which also will help in alignment. I'm really pleased, and
see no reason to buy the adapter in the J.C.Whitney catalog when this
was so easy to make and use.
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 06:29:02 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!

Thanks for your message at 09:01 PM 11/10/98 -0800, jeffd. Your message was:
>The trans will from the 390 will fit ,332, 352, 360, 390, 406, 427, 428.

Add the 410 to this list.




1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:59:58 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Pitman Arm?

Does anyone have a spare pitman arm laying around for a 77-1/2-79 F-250
4x4????

Thanks!

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:19:46 -0500
From: "Rusty Nail"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - troubled carb

checking to see if anybody on the list knows a reputable carburetor man in
the kansas city, mo area? preferably on the east side. thanks for any input.

rusty
'77 explorer, 400
blue springs, mo
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 06:31:29 -0500
From: "Mr. Paul R. Boudreault"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Electric FAns.


Hey Ken, I'm sure happy with the dual-electrics I've got on my FE390.
3 summers now, and almost 40,000 miles on them with no problems and
no overheating. Less noise and vibration also without the stock fan
flailing around out on the end of that spacer... I like mine a lot.


Hi Steve.

When you swapped in the electric fans do you still use the shroud? (Cause
mine is "missing in action".) A new shroud is big bucks around here and I
have had no luck find a suitable one at the wreckers.

If it is not required it might be a better choice for me.

Using puller or pusher fans, or both? And who makes really large units?
(And how much?)

I might just get the shroud and put in a clutch fan.

Later,

"Paul"


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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:35:17 -0600
From: Shawn Donkin
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the road!

I really need to find out some things so i can get my truck back on the
road.
351c/c4 out, 351m/c6 in

Really need to know:
1. Do i need to change the motor mounts and towers, or can i use the
same ones?
2. Any driveline modification to get the 351m/c6 in?
3. Will the exhaust fit ok?

Nice to know, not required to get my truck back on the road:
What company makes headers that fit with this combo?

Shawn Donkin
'68 F100 2WD 351c/c4
In with the new--->351m/c6

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:00:59 -0700
From: Mike Orendorf
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric fans

>I was thinking about changing over to electric fans on my 460, but I do
>need some opionions on it first. Whatcha all think??

I run dual electric only fans in my PU, which is a 460/C-6.

Overall I am very happy with it. Removing the mechanical fan freed up some horsepower (I dont know how much, but I can really tell especially when doing the stoplight to stoplight thing) the engine also warms up faster. On a cool day, the fans dont even turn on unless I am stuck in traffic for a
while.

I have a thermostat switch the activate the fans, but havenot dialied it in yet, so I am turning them on manually. Dialing it in is harder than you think, because sitting at idle is the only way to adjust it, but when you start moving you get more airflow over the sensor which screws up the setting. I
am sure I can get it done, but I just havenot yet. I also plan on hooking up the thermostat to light up a light in the dash so I know when its on.

I only have a 3-core radiator, and it works pretty good. I do plan on going to a 4-core eventually, but I am sure you will have no problems.

- - Mike

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 06:03:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Arlene Mason
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - the truth about ford locks

It's been awhile, (about two years), but I had to replace the ignition
lock on my '80 Mustang, which is also on the column. We were able to
get the replacement at the local parts house. I know they still have
them, because I was over there the other day and happened to be
looking at a switch for my '77 F100 (not on the column) - turns out I
didn't need it for the truck, but anyway... I'm sure they are
available here in the States.


- ---Simon wrote:
>
> howdy,
>
> i've recently developed some problems with my ignition lock and i
thought
> i'd vox pop the list to get an idea of what folks generally feel
about
> their locks. the key to my 76 f100 is real worn and i can't get it to
> switch to the 'off' position so i can get it out of the ignition, a
spring
> in the housing keeps nudging it to the 'on' (first) position.
>
> i asked around some of the wreckers here and the general consensus
they
> seemed to give me was: "ford locks are f*ck*d, they always develop
these
> kinds of problems some day." i asked if i could get a replacement
ignition
> lock and they said they aren't made anymore and i'd have to replace
the
> whole steering column with one that has a lock mounted in the side. i
> thought, just for a moment there, i caught dollar signs flash
through the
> guy's eyes, but he's a nice enough guy and surely he wouldn't be out
there
> to rip me off even if i do have the misfortune of being born looking
like a
> rank amateur at everything i do, right?
>
> so, while i get a locksmith to look into this, i'd thought i'd check
to see
> if this is a common problem and what kind of solution people have
come up
> with. i'm loathe to yank the whole column just over the ignition
lock. i'm
> australian, so it could just be that there are no replacements in
> australia. are they still made at all, or are they available from
anywhere?
> if i can get one through a catalog, or something, that would help me
out a
> lot (i don't even have the part number for it), because it looks a
hell of
> a lot easier to replace the ignition lock than to replace the whole
damn
> steering column.
>
> so, whats the mood of the list on this issue?
>
> kind regards
> -simon
>
> ||end transmission
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 07:52:49 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric FAns.

Thanks for your message at 06:31 AM 11/11/98 -0500, Mr. Paul R. Boudreault.
Your message was:
>
>Hey Ken, I'm sure happy with the dual-electrics I've got on my FE390.
> 3 summers now, and almost 40,000 miles on them with no problems and
> no overheating. Less noise and vibration also without the stock fan
> flailing around out on the end of that spacer... I like mine a lot.
>
>When you swapped in the electric fans do you still use the shroud? (Cause
>mine is "missing in action".) A new shroud is big bucks around here and I
>have had no luck find a suitable one at the wreckers.
>
>If it is not required it might be a better choice for me.
>
>Using puller or pusher fans, or both? And who makes really large units?
>(And how much?)
>
>I might just get the shroud and put in a clutch fan.

On my 351C w/ original '62 radiator, I use a single pusher fan from an IROC
Z (I must now turn my head in shame) with no shroud and it works great.

Dennis in Kennewick, WA


1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:44:20 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 4X4 differential ratios

>From: am14 chrysler.com
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4X4 differential ratios
>
>Anyone else heard the reasons for different ratios
>front/rear for 4X4's????
>If so, then lets hear them.

Yo Azie, et al:

One mechanical reason for slightly different ratios in the two axles is
that the differentials usually have different size ring gears (unless both
front and rear use the same differential). The only Ford trucks I have
seen with the same factory-installed differentials in both the front and
rear are 1979 F350s w/ a Dana 60 at both ends.

Otherwise, here's the prob:

Bronco w/ Ford 9" rear (9.0" ring gear) and Dana 35 front (7.6" ring gear)

F150 (or Big Bronco) w/ Ford 9" rear (9.0" ring gear) and Dana 44 front
(8.5" ring gear)

F250 w/ Dana 60 rear (9.75" ring gear) and Dana 44 front (8.5" ring gear)

Later model ('85-up) F250s w/ Ford 10.25" rear (10.25" ring gear) and Dana
50 front (9.0" ring gear)

Later model F350s w/ Ford 10.25" rear (10.25" ring gear) and Dana 60 front
(9.75" ring gear)

Because of differences in the ring gear diameter, the exact ratios vary
just slightly at best (e.g., 3.50/3.55, 4.10/4.11, etc.). I have also read
that the factories (not just Ford) installed different ratios for other
reasons, which have already been suggested by others on the list.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:00:41 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric FAns.

Dennis Pearson wrote:

> Thanks for your message at 06:31 AM 11/11/98 -0500, Mr. Paul R. Boudreault.
> Your message was:
> >
> >Hey Ken, I'm sure happy with the dual-electrics I've got on my FE390.
> > 3 summers now, and almost 40,000 miles on them with no problems and
> > no overheating. Less noise and vibration also without the stock fan
> > flailing around out on the end of that spacer... I like mine a lot.
> >
> >When you swapped in the electric fans do you still use the shroud? (Cause
> >mine is "missing in action".) A new shroud is big bucks around here and I
> >have had no luck find a suitable one at the wreckers.
> >
> >If it is not required it might be a better choice for me.
> >
> >Using puller or pusher fans, or both? And who makes really large units?
> >(And how much?)
> >
> >I might just get the shroud and put in a clutch fan.
>
> On my 351C w/ original '62 radiator, I use a single pusher fan from an IROC
> Z (I must now turn my head in shame) with no shroud and it works great.
>
> Dennis in Kennewick, WA

I have a single fan off of a Bu*ck. Not a bad little unit that has the shroud
built in ( or around depending on how you look at it). Also has a two speed
feature which is nice. I have only used it one summer and have had no trouble
with the fan. The old coolant was a different story ;-)

A little less engine noise and the great junk yard price was a quick sell for
me.

- --
Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon
ICQ# 19575234

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:02:36 -0500
From: Dayton Boyd
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - the truth about ford locks

Well the guy is messing with you all right.. I got a replacement set for
my '78 F250 from napa, ignition and door set for $25. Plus, i put a set in
a '66 F100 a few years back for the same price. Although I dont have the
'66 anymore, I know that the locks are still available. The truth on these
locks are, they wear the same as any other locks do. Just the trick to
keeping them from wearing out is to have no more keys on your set than the
ones for your truck. The exrta weight from 5+ keys will prematurally wear
out your lock apparatus. Besides that I know its not a common prob, most
everbody I know has never had a prob with them. The only reason I did is
when I bought my truck, the ignition key didnt work in the door, and I
didnt have the key for them..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4 460

At 12:14 AM 11/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>howdy,
>
>i've recently developed some problems with my ignition lock and i thought
>i'd vox pop the list to get an idea of what folks generally feel about
>their locks. the key to my 76 f100 is real worn and i can't get it to
>switch to the 'off' position so i can get it out of the ignition, a spring
>in the housing keeps nudging it to the 'on' (first) position.
>
>i asked around some of the wreckers here and the general consensus they
>seemed to give me was: "ford locks are f*ck*d, they always develop these
>kinds of problems some day." i asked if i could get a replacement ignition
>lock and they said they aren't made anymore and i'd have to replace the
>whole steering column with one that has a lock mounted in the side. i
>thought, just for a moment there, i caught dollar signs flash through the
>guy's eyes, but he's a nice enough guy and surely he wouldn't be out there
>to rip me off even if i do have the misfortune of being born looking like a
>rank amateur at everything i do, right?
>
>so, while i get a locksmith to look into this, i'd thought i'd check to see
>if this is a common problem and what kind of solution people have come up
>with. i'm loathe to yank the whole column just over the ignition lock. i'm
>australian, so it could just be that there are no replacements in
>australia. are they still made at all, or are they available from anywhere?
>if i can get one through a catalog, or something, that would help me out a
>lot (i don't even have the part number for it), because it looks a hell of
>a lot easier to replace the ignition lock than to replace the whole damn
>steering column.
>
>so, whats the mood of the list on this issue?
>
>kind regards
>-simon
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:04:16 -0500
From: Dayton Boyd
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - the truth about ford locks

Yep autozone has them too, lots of places still have them. If i remember
right, napa had locks back in the late 50's for ford trucks..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 02:21 AM 11/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Simon-
>
>I don't have any advice for you to fix the problem, but about 2 years ago
>when I first bought my '78 F-150 the ignition switch had a hard time
>turning into the "on" position and I eventually had to run down to the
>local NAPA auto parts to buy a new one for about $20 bucks. I don't know
>if they recently stopped producing them, but seems to me I saw the same
>thing hanging on the wall at AutoZone the other day too?
>
>Tony
>tony pscico.com
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony
>
>At 04:13 PM 11/11/98 +1100, you wrote:
>>howdy,
>>
>>i've recently developed some problems with my ignition lock and i thought
>>i'd vox pop the list to get an idea of what folks generally feel about
>>their locks. the key to my 76 f100 is real worn and i can't get it to
>>switch to the 'off' position so i can get it out of the ignition, a spring
>>in the housing keeps nudging it to the 'on' (first) position.
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 09:12:27 -0800
From: "Southerland, Rich"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - the truth about ford locks

Piling on here, but they're available at just about any parts store.
Checker/Schucks/Kragen has them as well.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dayton Boyd
> Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 1998 9:04 AM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - the truth about ford locks
>
> Yep autozone has them too, lots of places still have them. If i remember
> right, napa had locks back in the late 50's for ford trucks..
>
> cannandale
> '78 F250 4x4, 460
>
> At 02:21 AM 11/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >Simon-
> >
> >I don't have any advice for you to fix the problem, but about 2 years ago
> >when I first bought my '78 F-150 the ignition switch had a hard time
> >turning into the "on" position and I eventually had to run down to the
> >local NAPA auto parts to buy a new one for about $20 bucks. I don't know
> >if they recently stopped producing them, but seems to me I saw the same
> >thing hanging on the wall at AutoZone the other day too?
> >
> >Tony
> >tony pscico.com
> >http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/~tony
> >
> >At 04:13 PM 11/11/98 +1100, you wrote:
> >>howdy,
> >>
> >>i've recently developed some problems with my ignition lock and i
> thought
> >>i'd vox pop the list to get an idea of what folks generally feel about
> >>their locks. the key to my 76 f100 is real worn and i can't get it to
> >>switch to the 'off' position so i can get it out of the ignition, a
> spring
> >>in the housing keeps nudging it to the 'on' (first) position.
> >...
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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:28:21 -0800
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Steve's New Air Cleaner

Steve Delanty wrote:

> The next job is to figure out how to modify an air cleaner housing
> so I can run the tall 3-1/2" filter element and still have a closed
> housing...

Well, les'seeee. A second housing, a nibbler (preferably power) or aviation snips, about
18 inches, times pi, divide by twelve, spot weld a bunch first. Yup, about five feet of
semi-careful welding should do it. Wire brush, (bondo optional) spray paint to taste, and
VIOLA!, you've eliminated carb for the winter, and still have air flow to spare. Good
luck.

BTW, could you E-note me about the details of the thermo-switch for your your fans.
Sensor type and location. Control relay, etc? I'll be doing this in the future.

- -Marv-

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Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 21:39:08 -0800
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Steve's New Air Cleaner

Whoops, I wrote:

> VIOLA!, you've eliminated carb for the winter,

That should have read carb ICING for the winter..........
Proofread, proofread, proofread!
- -M-

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:02:28 -0600
From: juredd - Justin Reddell
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Disc brakes

I wanting to convert my drum brakes to disc brakes of the front of my 69 Ford F-100. Is this possible and could anyone give me some direction?

Thanks,
Justin Reddell
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 06:41:17 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Two speed axles??

From: "Brodie, Doug"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gearing?
Date sent: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:31:08 -0800

> two speed axle!!!!!.....that's the ticket!!!......A two speed axle with
> the lower gear the same as the front diff!!!!! I only want OD in 2wd mode.

Has anyone seen or heard of a two speed 9" ford or dana 60 or dana 70
axle? I would love to have a two speed axle in my bronco but the only ones
I've ever seen are the big truck Eaton types?

I had one in my stake truck and wish I hadn't been so quick to get rid of it
but when you have no money and don't need something...........:-( It's a
really cool setup but won't just fit into any diff housing, it needs a special
housing for the spring and shaft etc..

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 06:47:44 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - kingpins' 65 F100

From: "b hp"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - kingpins' 65 F100
Date sent: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:45:56 PST

> torch and air tools. I found that hitting the pin without heat caused one
> of them to peen slightly at the top making its extraction a brutal job.

My suggestion, having done this a couple of times and since the king pins go
out about the same time as the rubbers, is that you pull the I beams, take
them to a shop and have the pins pressed out, replace the rubbers while
you're at it and still have time to rent a movie and relax the rest of the day :-)

I would have to be pretty poorly off financially before I would ever consider
my money more important than my time in this particular task again or I
would have to have my own, decent hydraulic press so do it myself but in
any case the I beams would come off :-)

There is a press you can use on the truck but, as I said, you probably need
new rubbers anyway so........:-)


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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:17:12 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Disc brakes

At 12:02 PM 11/11/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I wanting to convert my drum brakes to disc brakes of the front of my 69
>Ford F-100. Is this possible and could anyone give me some direction?
>
>Thanks,
>Justin Reddell

There is a 65-72 disc brake conversion guide on the web
site in the tech articles section.

http://www.ford-trucks.com

- -Ken


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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:07:32 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fw: [CM:14337] 2 spd real axle.

here ya go...
- -----Original Message-----
From: speegle
To: sweatherby uswest.net
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 10:23 PM
Subject: Re: [CM:14337] 2 spd real axle.


>sam weatherby wrote:
>>
>> I seem to recall someone having a car with a 2spd rear axle. i think it
was
>> Jeff Speagles fiberfab car.
>> Am I right?
>> Can I get more info?
>
>What I have in the FiberFab Mustang is a Hon-O-drive. Unlike the two
>speed Dana's shown (though never used) for the Cougar Eliminators this
>unit (one of two styles sold) replaces the pinion gear with the over
>drive. It produces a 30% overdrive giving my car (if I ever drove it)
>both 3.00 and 4.11 gears. The inner workings are a set of planatary
>gears and shifted with a converted boat style throttle lever. They were
>produced starting about 1966 (were a dealer option of 66 Shelbys) and
>ending around the mid 70's.
>
>Hope this helps
>
>PS to all I suffered from a mother board problem for over three weeks
>and now that I'm back up the major effort will be responding to and
>reading the 900+ e-mails I got during the period.
>
>Jeff Speegle
>MCA ANHJ
>
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++++++++
>
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>Where sharing with one .. means sharing with all.
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:50:51 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft rattle (cont.)

From: Justin Farcas
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft rattle (cont.)
Date sent: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:51:12 -0500 (EST)

> less. I checked it out underneath, and it is loose in the middle, where
> the shaft splits and there is a grease fitting.

It can be replaced but the cost is almost the same as a new one and you still
have the old tubing and solid yoke so the consensus is to buy a new one and
be done with it.

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 12:29:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Arlene Mason
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Please help! need my truck back on the road!

We swapped a 351C and FMX for a 400M and a C6, we did change the motor
mounts and towers. The driveline did not need any modifacation, it
all fit just fine. The exhaust was perfect (of course we have headers
and re-used the 351C heads). The only trouble we had was that inch to
inch and a half difference in deck height, we needed to change all of
the brackets for the p/s and the alternator, etc. (and the
transmission - we hadn't planned on that not fitting). However, when
it was all done, the truck purrs!!! You will be happy with it once it
is on it's feet again!

Arlene
'77 F100 - 400/C6

- ---Shawn Donkin wrote:
>
> I really need to find out some things so i can get my truck back on
the
> road.
> 351c/c4 out, 351m/c6 in
>
> Really need to know:
> 1. Do i need to change the motor mounts and towers, or can i use the
> same ones?
> 2. Any driveline modification to get the 351m/c6 in?
> 3. Will the exhaust fit ok?
>
> Nice to know, not required to get my truck back on the road:
> What company makes headers that fit with this combo?
>
> Shawn Donkin
> '68 F100 2WD 351c/c4
> In with the new--->351m/c6
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 14:07:02 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Air Cleaner

" The next job is to figure out how to modify an air cleaner housing
so I can run the tall 3-1/2" filter element and still have a closed
housing..." Steve

Mid 80's 6.9 Diesels have a huge closed housing that will fit on a
4 bbl.carb perfectly.May need to do a little work on the snorkle tho.
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:08:58 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - kingpins' 65 F100

Date sent: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:06:15 -0500
From: "Clare Waterman-Storer, Ph.D."
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - kingpins' 65 F100

> I also am interested in this operation. Isn't the thing to do is heat the
> outside and chill the pin itself? how is this possible? or can you heat
> the i-beam a bit away from the pin to get differential heat between the

Heating the I beam is not a good idea. This is a forging which has stress
built into it which is part of it's strength. Even though the king pin is in a
large chunk of iron which won't bend, the heat migrates in to areas where it
can change the stucture. In my experience, the only way heat is effective is if
it is extreme, otherwise you are wasting your time.

Pressing is the best way by quite a margin in every respect. Pounding,
heating, prying all take a tole on the alignment and structural integrety of the I
beam and connected components.

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 08:40:42 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!

From: adam.hicks ppctx.com
Date sent: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:03:56 -0500
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!

> With as little information as I have, what are the chances of
> mating the transmission from the 390 to my 460? Will it work at all?

390 uses FE bell housing pattern, 460 is different. C-6's have integral bell
housings so you have to have the whole tranny made for a given application.
351M/400 or 429/460 are the only patterns that are compatible, FE's are
different and small blocks are different yet.

The rear end will probably be compatible as will many other parts but bot the
tranny :-(

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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 18:04:31 -0600 (CST)
From: Jamey Moss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - starter problems -- solution

First of all, I'd like to thank the folks that sent in helpful suggestions
and encouragement on my problem with a starter with a snapped off bolt. I
was all prepared to spend the afternoon figuring out a way to cut off the
flange of the starter with a pneumatic cutoff tool, when I received a
message informing me that 400 engines have one bolt on top that threads from
the bell housing side.

Sure enough, I immediately crawled back under there and discovered that all
I had to do was get a long extension and a swivel socket, and that starter
was out of there. I feel like a complete idiot, but in my admittedly
limited experience, every starter I've ever removed has had all the bolts go
in the front side, and it never occured to me that anything else was
possible. None of my manuals, including the factory shop manual, have a
picture of the starter mounting bolts (I guess because it's so obvious that
no one could possibly screw that up -- guess I showed them). ;-)

It's embarrassing learning a lesson like this in front of hundreds of
laughing Ford truck fans on the internet, but I don't care now that my truck
is back on the road. Thanks again to all of those that helped out and
shared stories of real, actual broken bolt starter problems. Now I have a
story of my own, just with a different ending.

Jamey Moss http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.prismnet.com/~jamey/f100/
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:48:00 -0500
From: "The Freeman Family"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tis the season (for carb pre-heat)

Dang, Steve!!

I'd love to look over your truck one time just to see all the neat things
you've done to her. I wish I had your talent for being inventive. I also
appreciate the fact you share your ideas! Keep it up and keep us amazed.

Later,

- -Ted
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From: sdelanty sonic.net
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 9:29 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tis the season (for carb pre-heat)


>
> Well, I've been running an open air cleaner housing on my FE390
> all summer so I can use the taller 12-1/2" x 3-1/2" filter element
> (Fram CA127) instead of the stock 12-1/2" x 2-1/2" element. (Fram CA324A)
>
> Now that the weather is turning cold and damp, I've been having trouble
> again with carb icing. At light load when the manifold vaccum is
> high, the pressure drop across the throttle plate causes moisture in
> the air to freeze on the throttle plate and screw things up.
> When I'd get off the freeway and decelerate to the bottom of a ramp, the
> engine would die if I didn't keep my foot on the gas a bit. It would
> also be a pain in the butt around town if you had to stop at a sign or
> light after a couple minutes or more of of light throttle running.
> And only if it's damp out and the air temp is below 45-50F or so...
>
> I finally broke down this week and went back to a closed housing
> with a pre-heat stove on the manifold...
> The stock exhaust manifolds have a heat stove thingy built on them, but
> since I've got headers, the only stove I had was a crummy little piece
> of steel tubing with 2 tabs on it that Hooker sent with my headers.
> You clamp the "stove" to one of the header pipes, and put the preheater
> hose on the tube and that gets a little "preheated" air into the carb
> to keep things from icing when it's cold out. That preheat stove didn't
> work well enough when it got really cold out last year, and I didn't
> really like the idea of using hose clamps to attach the "stove" to the
> header tube, for fear of having corrosion problems on the header tubes
> under the clamps...
>
> This week I made a flat bracket that bolts to the top #1 and #2 header
> bolts and welded the 2" tube that Hooker supplied to it. I made some
> small sheet metal "shrouds" and welded them on so it picks up air that
> is pulled across a pretty good section of header pipe on cylinders #1
> and #2. It should be much more efficient at getting a good supply of
> warm air quickly than the silly setup that Hooker sent with the headers.
>
> I used the air cleaner housing from a late 70's big sedan that has a
> vacuum operated dookie in the snout to control a warm air flap. When
> engine vacuum is high, it closes off the main air inlet, and opens the
> air inlet port that comes off the heat stove so it gets nice warm air
> into the carb at light load. When manifold is lower (when You romp it),
> the flap closes the warm air port and opens the main air inlet so it
> only sucks cool air when you're looking for power...
> There's also a thermostatic vacuum thingy in the air cleaner housing
> that shuts off the vacuum supply to the flap when the air temps are
> high.
>
> I'm hoping that setup will keep things reasonably warmed up when the
> chilly, wet weather gets here for real. I just got the stove finished
> and hooked up this evening, so we'll see...
>
> The next job is to figure out how to modify an air cleaner housing
> so I can run the tall 3-1/2" filter element and still have a closed
> housing...
>
>
> Steve
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty
>
> Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to
> recognize a mistake when you make it again.
> -- F. P. Jones
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 19:55:45 -0500
From: "The Freeman Family"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Rods

Okay,

I thought I had this one down, but I'm confused again. I thought that a
true 410 had a longer rod than a 390 and that the wrist pin was moved
towards the top of the piston to keep it from going above the deck and
hitting the head? I thought that was why you couldn't mix 390 pistons with
410 rods and if you mixed 390 rods with 410 pistons there would be a
considerable lack of compression?

Help! I really want to consider this as a winter project.

Thanks,

- -Ted
- -----Original Message-----
From: am14 chrysler.com
To: 61-79-list Ford-trucks.com
Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 11:11 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE Rods


>Bill Hart writes: >>but don't the rods have to be a different length for
>all three engines
>
>Rods are the same length on the 390/406/410/427/428 (I think). The 332/352
>had a different rod length (and I just learned this through this list).
>The difference in height is made up by moving the wrist pin location in the
>piston. No known problems with the piston skirt/rod interference you speak
>of. Go to your local FOMOCO parts Guru and have him look up the pistons in
>a 1967 410 Mercury and also a 1967 390 Mercury and see if the P/N's aren't
>different. Also have him look up the rods. Rod P/N's will be the same,
>but the pistons will be different.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:02:35 -0500
From: "The Freeman Family"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Stu! How's it going?

Stu,

I know you're busy! How about a quick update on the resto?

Later,

- -Ted


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Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 20:47:44
From: Ed Mulligan
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gearing?

I read about it once. It was an overdrive unit that bolted to the rear
diff., making a shorter driveshaft a requirement. I saw it in an old
article about a '69-'70 Boss 429.

For the _really_ old trucks with torque tube rear ends, I've seen the
1950's electric overdrives welded into the torque tube/driveshaft to make a
2 speed setup. (A friend plays with flatheads, and had one.)

Ed


At 02:38 PM 11/10/98 -0800, you wrote:
>I have heard of it in Mustangs.
>I'll find out more...
> -srw
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: MC
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 2:37 PM
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gearing?
>
>
>>"Brodie, Doug" wrote:
>>
>>> A two speed axle with the
>>> lower gear the same as the front diff!!!!!
>>> I only want OD in 2wd mode. What do ya think guys & gals? Is this all
>just
>>> a stupid idea?
>>
>>A 2 speed rear axle? In a pickup? It sounds like a really cool idea, but
>I
>>have never heard of, or seen a 2 speed axle small enough for a pickup. If
>you
>>figure out how to do it, let me know so I can do it too!
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Matt Cozad
>>1994 Toyota 4Runner 4x4 "Yoda"
>>1970 F100 4x4 "Jabba the Truck"
>>1969 F100 4x4 "Spare Parts"
>>
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