61-79-list-digest Tuesday, November 10 1998 Volume 02 : Number 518



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - 351W dieseling
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Brake Bleeding
Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling All Quick-Fix experts!
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351W dieseling
FTE 61-79 - 4X4 differential ratios
Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 Query
Re: FTE 61-79 - Different ratio geasrs in 4X4
FTE 61-79 - Need help !, ftdV2#516
FTE 61-79 - Fw: SpeedBrain
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need help !, ftdV2#516
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Brake Bleeding
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Brake Bleeding
FTE 61-79 - kingpins' 65 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - kingpins' 65 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351W dieseling
Re: FTE 61-79 - kingpins' 65 F100
FTE 61-79 - Gearing?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Brake Bleeding
FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!
FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft rattle (cont.)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!
FTE 61-79 - NOS Ford Parts
Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft rattle (cont.)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gearing?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gearing?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gearing?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gearing?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft rattle (cont.)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric fans
Re: FTE 61-79 - kingpins' 65 F100
FTE 61-79 - ENGINE REBUILD AND TURNING OVER
Re: FTE 61-79 - Starter and Flywheel
FTE 61-79 - Tis the season (for carb pre-heat)
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric fans
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Different ratio geasrs in 4X4
FTE 61-79 - Re: dieseling
Re: FTE 61-79 - kingpins' 65 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric fans
FTE 61-79 - major starter problems

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:20:42 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351W dieseling

From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date sent: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 01:11:14 EST
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351W dieseling

> My dads 75 had an intermittant break in the circuit for the elec. ignition
> due to poor weather proofing, it caused the truck to randomly misfire,
> which heated up the plugs, and caused dieseling. Also heavily fouled plugs
> can retain heat and cause dieseling, but unless your carb is way screwy,
> or the plugs weren't changed at rebuild, you shouldn't have that problem.

If you have the carb linkage properly set up it "can't" diesel because the
throttle plate is completely closed when you turn off the key. If you have
bypassed the electric or vacuum dash pot which the idle screw sets on then it
will diesel. The mechanical stop is not supposed to be the normal
"operational" stop, it is the "dead" stop and the engine should not run if this
is set properly.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:06:15 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Brake Bleeding

>vacuum bleeder. I was surprised that the large reservoir in the master
>cylinder was the one being drained. I thought I read somewhere, or
>maybe I just assumed, the large reservoir was for the rear wheels since
>there seems to be a need for more volume to the rear. I looked in my
>Chilton manual however it didn't explain this and the picture was of
>poor quality. A look at the master cylinder does seem to indicate it
>may have been replaced at some point since the brake lines had some very
>"unfactory" bends. Could someone email me with information of whether
>this is correct as is or do I need to change the lines on the master
>cylinder. I would greatly appreciate it.


No, what you're seeing is normal, since the front brakes do most of the
braking, wouldn't you want the largest reserve on them ? I'm sure there's
other reasons too, but generally the front uses the larger reservoir.

Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:12:23 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Calling All Quick-Fix experts!

Date sent: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 16:08:59 -0500
From: Tony Marino
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Calling All Quick-Fix experts!

> I'm fully aware that this is the wrong way to really solve a problem, but
> the manifold bolts would probably break and he isn't willing to go through
> the hassle of that happening. Any help appreciated as always!

There uses to be a "muffler" repair kit that had a wrap and some bonding
material which is impervious to heat but the manifolds get much hotter than
mufflers so it still may not work but this it the only thing I can think of that
will hold up even for a short time.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:14:14 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351W dieseling

At 10:47 AM 11/10/98 , you wrote:
>Hi everyone, My 76 F100 has an annoying dieseling problem that seems to
>be getting worse lately. I purchased the truck back in sept. and the
>motor was rebuilt 15000 miles ago, so the timing chain should be good.
> Could you guys give me any tips on where I should start working on the
>fix the problem.
>

Our Mustang had a similar problem (351w also), check the carb, be sure
you're not runnin the idle to high, also check that the choke is backing
off, then I'd just go through and be sure everything was tuned up right ...
plugs, points (guess 76 probably doesn't have those huh?), timing, all that
good stuff. If none of this fixes it, try retuning the carb, if you're
fairly handy at it, then give it a shot (vacuum gauges do help, I'd never
tried one til this fall, it was pretty easy with that). If you're not
comfortable with it, try a reputable shop, though its getting harder to
find people who can properly tune a carb.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:15:31 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 4X4 differential ratios

Bill Hart writes:
far as what ratios should be in which end of the truck, but I always
thought they put the lower (numerically) gear in front for better stability
in loose stuff ...
ie the front will drag the rear more than the rear pushes, helping keep the
front in front ... but maybe as you say this is most noticeable when you
are turning, so it will be obvious when you try to turn ...

Anyway, just wanted to see if there was a more detailed explanation of this
...

Both make good sense to me.
Anyone else heard the reasons for different ratios front/rear for 4X4's????
If so, then lets hear them.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 06:35:53 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 410 Query

Thanks for your message at 01:13 AM 11/7/98 -0600, William L. Ballinger.
Your message was:
>Whereabouts is it? I live in Southeast Missouri.
>
>> Where do you live and how much would you pay for a 66 Parklane with what
>> looks like a very good ( no smoke, etc.) 401 complete with tranny, etc.
>> Actually the car is almost too good to part out...
>--
Southeastern Washington State (Kennewick, WA).



1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:11:05 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Different ratio geasrs in 4X4

Date sent: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 13:37:36 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Different ratio geasrs in 4X4

> the front in front ... but maybe as you say this is most noticeable when
> you are turning, so it will be obvious when you try to turn ...

I'm reasonably sure the gear ratios are determined by what is available in each
line and the OEM's attempt to match them exactly where possible but when
not they always put the taller gear in front AFAIK for better (read safe)
handling. The reverse of this would cause a push under certain conditions
which most untrained drivers can't handle (can't handle over steer either but I
prefer over to under steer most of the time myself)

The small difference is moot in a turn when you consider that a full lock turn
can generate a 1.44:1 ratio between the front and rear axles and on dry
pavement will wrap them up till something slips in just one turn which is why
you don't want to drive on dry pavement locked in. Lock the hubs but not
4wd and jump in and out as needed but you should never run very far on
pavement with 4wd locked in.

OEM's assume you will live by this rule so are not affraid to allow a small
descrepancy in front/rear ratios.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:10:59 GMT
From: cdailey hhs.state.ne.us (Chad Dailey)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need help !, ftdV2#516

Bill, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it sounds like you have
slipped the timing chain.

Chad

On Mon, 9 Nov 1998 23:49:51 -0500 (EST), you wrote:

>Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 15:07:18 -0600
>From: William S Hart
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 Need help !
>
>Ugh, finally got my truck back on the day it snowed (great timing here
>...). Drivin it around, comin off of stop signs/lights it seemed to =
have
>even less torque than it normally does (360 4v). Then from a couple of
>them it wouldn't rev at all, it just sort of sputtered for a minute, =
then
>take off like nothing was really wrong.
>
>This morning on the way to work it just died comin off of a stopsign =
like
>that, and wouldn't start. Upon inspection the points were not doing so
>well, so I hiked it back to the house ('bout a mile), grabbed the stang =
and
>came on in to work. Over lunch I went back with a friend and put the =
new
>points in (gapped, then use a dwell to set them), tried to start it, but
>nothin .. it acted like it was trying a little, so I loosened the dist. =
and
>moved it around until it finally ran on over half of the cylinders (5 or=
6
>at least). =20
>
>I got it home and put it on the timing light ... it ran great at an idle
>with 30 or 40 degrees advance (vacuum was hooked up, but I have less =
than
>15 mm hg under "normal" conditions)... but pull it back under 10deg and
>you'd swear it was going to die, not to mention NO power whatsoever.
>
>This is a really worn 360 (hence my search for a 410 for those of you
>who've been following along at home) that I would really like to last =
for
>another month or so ... Anyway what do ya'll think it is anyway ? =20
>
>Feel free to email me off the list too, I just really want to get this
>thing so I can drive it again before the next round of snow hits ...=20
>
>Thanks
>Bill
>wish iastate.edu

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 07:14:19 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fw: SpeedBrain

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:29:01 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need help !, ftdV2#516

At 09:10 AM 11/10/98 , you wrote:
>Bill, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but it sounds like you have
>slipped the timing chain.
>
Well I guess when 3 people with more experience than me all come to the
same conclusion, that must be the problem. Looks like I'm gonna tear it
down tonight .. anyone have any suggestions for things that work or don't
work ?
Like do I need to drop or loosen the oil pan ? Dad couldn't remember for
sure, and I haven't spent much time on the bottom side of an engine ... yet.


Thanks
Bill
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:49:34 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Brake Bleeding

I always thought the front used the larger resevoir because of the discs "self
adjust" ability. Because they are always as close to the rotor as possible,
you want a large reservoir so when your pads are almost gone, there is still
some fluid in there to wrok the brakes, even though a large portion of the
fluid now resides in your caliper. Sorry if this sounds worded funny, I'm
just wakin up, and my brain is still under my pillow somewhere.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:55:10 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Brake Bleeding

Date sent: Mon, 27 Aug 1956 13:27:39 +0000
From: mdennis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Brake Bleeding

> assumed, the large reservoir was for the rear wheels since there seems to
> be a need for more volume to the rear.

The big one is for the front and for vacuum bleeding from the master
cylinder left front is correct but reverse for wheel vacuum bleeding or
Reverse pressure bleeding, start with right rear in that case.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:45:56 PST
From: "b hp"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - kingpins' 65 F100

I recently replaced the kingpins on my 65 F-100, the operation was
nothing short of medieval. In conjunction with the pins I replaced the
outer tie rods and fiber steering washer. My suggestion to anyone
attempting kingpin replacement for the first time is to have access to a
torch and air tools. I found that hitting the pin without heat caused
one of them to peen slightly at the top making its extraction a brutal
job. If you put the truck on stands and pull the brake and the backing
plate there is enough room in the fender well to heave a hammer. I used
a steel rod slightly small than the pin for a drift. I didnít have to
remove the spring but supporting the I-beam makes a world of difference.
As I said before heat and air tools make this job a little easier. As a
back up I was prepared to pull the entire I-beam and press out the pin
with a homemade 12-ton press. It didnít come to that. The pin
replacement has made the steering, responsive, light and fairly accurate
(haha ..as could be expected for a 30-year-old truck) it was completely
worth the effort.

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 08:51:33 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - kingpins' 65 F100

How much heat did you need?
We used a propane torch and let it get fairly hot, wasn't glowing or
anything though.
Still didn't get the out.
This weekend we are going to a shop and having them pressed out.
-srw

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:51:21 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351W dieseling

JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:
>
> My dads 75 had an intermittant break in the circuit for the elec. ignition due
> to poor weather proofing, it caused the truck to randomly misfire, which
> heated up the plugs, and caused dieseling. Also heavily fouled plugs can
> retain heat and cause dieseling, but unless your carb is way screwy, or the
> plugs weren't changed at rebuild, you shouldn't have that problem.

It does not have elec. ignition, and . I changed the plugs about a month
ago with no change to the problem.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:06:15 -0500
From: "Clare Waterman-Storer, Ph.D."
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - kingpins' 65 F100

I also am interested in this operation. Isn't the thing to do is heat the
outside and chill the pin itself? how is this possible? or can you heat the
i-beam a bit away from the pin to get differential heat between the pin and
beam? also- does it do any good to make sure for a month or two in advance
that you keep the kingpins well lubed?
Its encouraging to hear that it actually does improve the front and
handling!

clare
sam weatherby wrote:

> How much heat did you need?
> We used a propane torch and let it get fairly hot, wasn't glowing or
> anything though.
> Still didn't get the out.
> This weekend we are going to a shop and having them pressed out.
> -srw
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 09:31:08 -0800
From: "Brodie, Doug"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Gearing?

OX wrote: I'm in central Jersey and the guy I got mine from had 3 or 4 left.
I think he gets 600$, but may be willing to take 500$. I think he has 2 3.5?
and one 4.10

Jersey!.............MAN!..............Surely I can find something around
here. Thanks for the info anyway OX.


Dave R and Azie

Thanks for your input! Sounds like it might be easier to go for the diff
gear change. But............what about..................a bolt in OD?
Yeah!!!!!!!!! That's it!...........a bolt in OD right behind the xfer case
yeah that's the ticket!!!!...........it'll go in place of the short drive
shaft.......yeah!...........and with an electric
shift!!!!!!!!yeah!!!!!!!!!...................oooorrrrrr................a two
speed axle!!!!!.....that's the ticket!!!......A two speed axle with the
lower gear the same as the front diff!!!!!
I only want OD in 2wd mode. What do ya think guys & gals? Is this all just
a stupid idea? I'm here to learn from your mighty wisdom oh List!!!!!
TEACH ME!!!!!

Doug
Midland, Texas
Doug_Brodie OXY.com
'79 F250 4X4 Supercab 400 C6
'93 Explorer XLT 4X4(actually, it's the wife's)

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 10:58:28 -0700
From: "Andrew W. Ford - Speaking For Myself"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re:Brake Bleeding

JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:

> I always thought the front used the larger resevoir because of the discs "self
> adjust" ability. Because they are always as close to the rotor as possible,
> you want a large reservoir so when your pads are almost gone, there is still
> some fluid in there to wrok the brakes, even though a large portion of the
> fluid now resides in your caliper. Sorry if this sounds worded funny, I'm
> just wakin up, and my brain is still under my pillow somewhere.

I'm assuming that the 79 has drum rears, like mine. The front

calipers need much more volume to move 1/10 of an inch than the

rear slave cylinders. SWAGing the diameters, caliper is about

3.5 inches, slave cyl. about 1 inch:

3.14159*(3.5*3.5)*.1=3.84845

3.14159*(1.0*1.0)*.1=0.31415

3.8 cubic inches of fluid to move the front caliper 1/10 inch,

and .3 cubic inches to move the slave cylinder.

Granted, the slave has to go further and in both directions, but

the volume difference is 10 to 1: this is why you put a bigger

resevoir on the front brakes.

Regards,

79 F150 Ranger 4x4 Supercab / 351M C6

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:03:56 -0500
From: adam.hicks ppctx.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!


I have the opportunity haul off a '73 Ford F-150 with a 390 in it.
The truck was running great, but the carb. gave out on it. A
friend of a friend is wanting it out of his driveway, and asked me
if I wanted it (for free.) He's put about $1300 in it in the last
few months. I own a '77 F-150 with a 460 (I think it's a trailer
special or something like that.) The truck I'm picking up has a
new transmission with less than 50 miles on it, a complete brake
system (rotors, pads, master cylinder, etc) a new high power coil,
battery, starter, etc. It also has a posi-trak 9" rear end.

I'm hoping to pull parts as I need from the truck. Mainly, I'm
interested in the transmission.

With as little information as I have, what are the chances of
mating the transmission from the 390 to my 460? Will it work at
all?

Also, anyone on this list that wants anything can have whatever I
don't use for free. Just let me know. It will be in the Dallas /
Ft. Worth area.

Please e-mail me any information on parts that I can use on my '77
460.

AHicks ppctx.com

Thanks in advance!!!
Adam Hicks
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:51:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft rattle (cont.)

Well, my last post proved to be a little less informative than I had
hoped, so I will go into more detail. My truck, a 79 Ford F150 4x4
automatic has a loose front dirveshaft. It rattle when it turn on higher
speeds, when the engine is not pulling the trucks, but coasting more or
less. I checked it out underneath, and it is loose in the middle, where
the shaft splits and there is a grease fitting.

That said, I would like to know what steps I can do to fix it, or replace
it, whichever process would be easier. Thanks.

-Justin Farcas

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:17:41 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!

> I have the opportunity haul off a '73 Ford F-150 with a 390 in it.
> The truck was running great, but the carb. gave out on it. A
> friend of a friend is wanting it out of his driveway, and asked me
> if I wanted it (for free.) He's put about $1300 in it in the last
> few months. I own a '77 F-150 with a 460 (I think it's a trailer
> special or something like that.) The truck I'm picking up has a
> new transmission with less than 50 miles on it, a complete brake
> system (rotors, pads, master cylinder, etc) a new high power coil,
> battery, starter, etc. It also has a posi-trak 9" rear end.
>
> I'm hoping to pull parts as I need from the truck. Mainly, I'm
> interested in the transmission.
>
> With as little information as I have, what are the chances of
> mating the transmission from the 390 to my 460? Will it work at
> all?
>

Well the 460 and 390 are totally different beasts, with totally different
bolt patterns and motor mounts from what I understand. If you're talking
auto trannies, then you probably won't be able to swap them. If you are
talking manual, then there's always a chance. If the manual you have is
the same as the one on the other truck, they should be good to go for a
change, just remember to use your bellhousing and clutch, if they're
different though, you will have to see about finding a bellhousing to mate
a 460 to a whatever you want to change to, along with possibly the cross
members and all that. Are these 2wd ? If so, then that's about all, if
not, then you also need to consider your transfer case and driveshafts if
they are going to need to change lengths if you're changing transmissions
.... lots of stuff to think about, but it may all work for you, all
depends on what you have and what you want.


> Also, anyone on this list that wants anything can have whatever I
> don't use for free. Just let me know. It will be in the Dallas /
> Ft. Worth area.
>

As for this, email me off list, I'm looking for an FE
(360/390/410/428/whatever that's FE) and have found several around here,
but am looking at all my options right now.

Bill.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 11:22:49 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!

> battery, starter, etc. It also has a posi-trak 9" rear end.


No, it doesn't have a posi trac rear end.
it may have a Trac-loc though.
Posi trac is a trademark of GM corp for their limited slip diff.
Ford's don't have Gm diffs...
Sorry. Pet peeve.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:01:04 -0500
From: "J. Doss Halsey"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NOS Ford Parts

Paul wrote:

>I have a question about the clutch release "Bearing" s shown the 1979 Ford
>Light Truck "Body, Chassis, & Electrical" Manual.

>Question # 1. Is this bearing still available from Ford, and/or are there
>replacement aftermarket ones available? Are there "heavier duty" ones
>available? (I like "Heavy Duty"! Grunt, grunt.)


I've found a parts supplier that I am impressed with. I haven't actually consumated the relationship, but they were sure good on the phone.

Green Sales
Cincinatti, Ohio
(513) 731-3304

I spoke with Tom. They seem to have a large inventory of NOS Ford Parts, They will help you find the Ford part number from a description, and they have access to three parts locator lines if they don't have it. They vectored me to a Ford dealer in upstate New York who had the part I was looking for.

If anyone has experience with these guys, let me know.

Doss Halsey
'68 F-250 Camper Special, Ranger Trim
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 12:44:24 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft rattle (cont.)

From: Justin Farcas
>That said, I would like to know what steps I can do to fix it, or
replace
>it, whichever process would be easier. Thanks.

Take it out and bring it to a driveshaft shop. They can fix or replace
the ends as needed then balance it. BTW you'll be able to drive the
truck without the shaft in it.

Deacon
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 13:11:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Arlene Mason
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!

It has been our experience that with the automatic transmissions, the
C-6 should work with the larger engines. -- We had an FMX on a 351C
and changed the engine out to a 400, thinking "only an inch difference
in the deck height...." well that is an inch everywhere and the FMX
didn't fit, so we put in a C-6. According to the manual that we have
Ford put the larger transmissions with the engines over 351. If it's
an automatic, I would bet that it would fit.

What are you going to do with the rest of the truck??? Just curious.

Arlene
77 F100, 400 eng. C-6 trans.

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>
>
> I have the opportunity haul off a '73 Ford F-150 with a 390 in
it.
> The truck was running great, but the carb. gave out on it. A
> friend of a friend is wanting it out of his driveway, and asked
me
> if I wanted it (for free.) He's put about $1300 in it in the
last
> few months. I own a '77 F-150 with a 460 (I think it's a
trailer
> special or something like that.) The truck I'm picking up has a
> new transmission with less than 50 miles on it, a complete brake
> system (rotors, pads, master cylinder, etc) a new high power
coil,
> battery, starter, etc. It also has a posi-trak 9" rear end.
>
> I'm hoping to pull parts as I need from the truck. Mainly, I'm
> interested in the transmission.
>
> With as little information as I have, what are the chances of
> mating the transmission from the 390 to my 460? Will it work at
> all?
>
> Also, anyone on this list that wants anything can have whatever
I
> don't use for free. Just let me know. It will be in the
Dallas /
> Ft. Worth area.
>
> Please e-mail me any information on parts that I can use on my
'77
> 460.
>
> AHicks ppctx.com
>
> Thanks in advance!!!
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 22:10:33 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!

Hey, you guys are more than lucky,,,, get a 1973 F-150 for free...... !!!!
and the thing is probably rust free too,,,, if not, you haven't got it for
free.....

Why can't President Clinton build a tunnel from Dallas to Norway-------
????


Bill


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> From: adam.hicks ppctx.com
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Need Help... quick!!!
> Date: 10. november 1998 18:03
>
>
> I have the opportunity haul off a '73 Ford F-150 with a 390 in it.
> The truck was running great, but the carb. gave out on it. A
> friend of a friend is wanting it out of his driveway, and asked me
> if I wanted it (for free.) He's put about $1300 in it in the last
> few months. I own a '77 F-150 with a 460 (I think it's a trailer
> special or something like that.) The truck I'm picking up has a
> new transmission with less than 50 miles on it, a complete brake
> system (rotors, pads, master cylinder, etc) a new high power coil,
> battery, starter, etc. It also has a posi-trak 9" rear end.
>
> I'm hoping to pull parts as I need from the truck. Mainly, I'm
> interested in the transmission.
>
> With as little information as I have, what are the chances of
> mating the transmission from the 390 to my 460? Will it work at
> all?
>
> Also, anyone on this list that wants anything can have whatever I
> don't use for free. Just let me know. It will be in the Dallas /
> Ft. Worth area.
>
> Please e-mail me any information on parts that I can use on my '77
> 460.
>
> AHicks ppctx.com
>
> Thanks in advance!!!
> Adam Hicks
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:33:18 -0800
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gearing?

"Brodie, Doug" wrote:

> A two speed axle with the
> lower gear the same as the front diff!!!!!
> I only want OD in 2wd mode. What do ya think guys & gals? Is this all just
> a stupid idea?

A 2 speed rear axle? In a pickup? It sounds like a really cool idea, but I
have never heard of, or seen a 2 speed axle small enough for a pickup. If you
figure out how to do it, let me know so I can do it too!



- --
Matt Cozad
1994 Toyota 4Runner 4x4 "Yoda"
1970 F100 4x4 "Jabba the Truck"
1969 F100 4x4 "Spare Parts"


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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:38:16 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gearing?

I have heard of it in Mustangs.
I'll find out more...
-srw

- -----Original Message-----
From: MC
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gearing?


>"Brodie, Doug" wrote:
>
>> A two speed axle with the
>> lower gear the same as the front diff!!!!!
>> I only want OD in 2wd mode. What do ya think guys & gals? Is this all
just
>> a stupid idea?
>
>A 2 speed rear axle? In a pickup? It sounds like a really cool idea, but
I
>have never heard of, or seen a 2 speed axle small enough for a pickup. If
you
>figure out how to do it, let me know so I can do it too!
>
>
>
>--
>Matt Cozad
>1994 Toyota 4Runner 4x4 "Yoda"
>1970 F100 4x4 "Jabba the Truck"
>1969 F100 4x4 "Spare Parts"
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:42:21 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gearing?

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/6473/page4.html

'Rearend: 57 9" Ford rearend with 2 speed-overdrive attachment
(Hone-O-Drive) which produces 3:00-1 and 4:11-1 final drives"

Interesting.


- -----Original Message-----
From: MC
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 1998 2:37 PM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gearing?


>"Brodie, Doug" wrote:
>
>> A two speed axle with the
>> lower gear the same as the front diff!!!!!
>> I only want OD in 2wd mode. What do ya think guys & gals? Is this all
just
>> a stupid idea?
>
>A 2 speed rear axle? In a pickup? It sounds like a really cool idea, but
I
>have never heard of, or seen a 2 speed axle small enough for a pickup. If
you
>figure out how to do it, let me know so I can do it too!
>
>
>
>--
>Matt Cozad
>1994 Toyota 4Runner 4x4 "Yoda"
>1970 F100 4x4 "Jabba the Truck"
>1969 F100 4x4 "Spare Parts"
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:46:11 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gearing?

At 04:38 PM 11/10/98 , you wrote:
>I have heard of it in Mustangs.
>I'll find out more...

Really ? Never heard of it in Mustangs, but then there's lots of weird
things with them that not many people have heard of (the Mustang E ?)

My uncle saw an ad for one in a '69 Cougar ... he thought it was the
eliminator's, but he wasn't sure. We have the owners manual and there's no
talk of one, but that's not to say it wouldn't be in an eliminator manual
maybe. There have always been rumors of those muscle cars with 2speed
rearends though .... my hunch is they'd be 9"ers too...


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:12:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft rattle (cont.)

Good idea, only prob is, I live in small town Ohio....oh well, thanks for
your help.....

--Justin Farcas
> > From: Justin Farcas
> >That said, I would like to know what steps I can do to fix it, or
> replace
> >it, whichever process would be easier. Thanks.
>
> Take it out and bring it to a driveshaft shop. They can fix or replace
> the ends as needed then balance it. BTW you'll be able to drive the
> truck without the shaft in it.
>
> Deacon
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:27:52 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric fans

Ken wrote:
>>I have a question for you.... I'm running my truck with an
>>electric fan and the normal fan. I recall that you are (or
>>were) running an electric setup all by itself. Now that
>>some time has passed, how has it held up? If you haven't
>>been stranded by it, I'll do the same to my 67.

Deacon replied:
> I'm still running an electric fan on my truck an haven't had a
>problem with it. My fan is too small but I mounted it in the fan shroud
>which seems to work as well as the size I should have. I would like to
>hook up a thermostat switch on it but never got around to it. The way
>Steve has his is the proper way. But my truck warms up and stays on the
>low side of normal in gridlock on a hot So. CA summer day, so I'll
>probably never do it. :) It may be my imagination but my engine seems to
>run smoother, quieter and has more power. I think it's the way to go
>IMHO.

Steve adds:
Hey Ken, I'm sure happy with the dual-electrics I've got on my FE390.
3 summers now, and almost 40,000 miles on them with no problems and
no overheating. Less noise and vibration also without the stock fan
flailing around out on the end of that spacer... I like mine a lot.

Steve
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:27:53 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - kingpins' 65 F100

>I also am interested in this operation. Isn't the thing to do is heat the
>outside and chill the pin itself? how is this possible? or can you heat the
>i-beam a bit away from the pin to get differential heat between the pin and
>beam? also- does it do any good to make sure for a month or two in advance
>that you keep the kingpins well lubed?
>Its encouraging to hear that it actually does improve the front and
>handling!
>
>clare

>> How much heat did you need?
>> We used a propane torch and let it get fairly hot, wasn't glowing or
>> anything though.
>> Still didn't get the out.
>> This weekend we are going to a shop and having them pressed out.
>> -srw


If you can get some chunks of steel plate, and have access to a
welder (or someone with a welder...) you can make a simple small
kingpin press that presses the pins out using a small hydraulic
jack, and do it without removing the I-beam.

I beat on my pins like crazy and applied quite a bit of heat to
them and they wouldn't move. I spent several hours not getting
my pins to budge before I broke down and built the press... )-:
After I spent an hour making the press, they came out in just a
couple minutes.

If you live in or near a city with a steel yard You should be able
to pick up enough small scraps to build the press for a few dollars,
and you can by a 12-15 ton hydraulic jack at harbor freight or other
el-cheapo tool store fo $15-$20.

There's a simple drawing and dimensions of the press I built at:
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty/show-n-tell/press02.jpg


Steve
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 18:44:42 -0500
From: "Matthew Schwartz"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ENGINE REBUILD AND TURNING OVER

I solved the problem, but do not have an answer as to why but I do have my
suspicions. I started by pulling cylinders 1 and 5 first. The engine turned
fine. Pistion 5 was fine (rings, cap and bearings) but when 1 was pushed out
, it appeared that the engine lube grabed the bearing a bit and had it slide
up about a 16th of an inch. Pulled and cleaned piston one bearing surfaces
again, reset the bearings, reinstalled the piston and everything was fine.

Thanks!

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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:26:06 -0500
From: Dayton Boyd
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Starter and Flywheel

I made my own adapter, i got a small piece of pipe that fit over the round
part of my floor jack, and then just arc welded it to a metal plate about
12"x12" or so, works great...

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 09:10 PM 11/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Harbor Freight sells a trans adapter for floor jacks, not the greatest
>quality but worked for me
>
>----------
>> From: Jay Grover
>> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Starter and Flywheel
>> Date: Monday, November 09, 1998 12:59 PM
>>
>> Hi Sean,
>> I just replaced my clutch about two weeks ago.
>> My '73 F250 (2wd) had enough clearance that I didn't even have to jack
>the
>> truck up.
>> It helps a great deal if you have a floor jack with a large saddle (gives
>> you a lot more surface area to balance the transmission on).
>> Pulling the trans was a breeze. It helps if you have an extra set of
>hands
>> to balance it when you pull it out, though. Definately drain the trans
>> before pulling (believe me, I had no intention of letting it tip over!).
>> Putting it back in was kind of tricky (I had to do this by myself, major
>> bummer!). I ended up lashing some pieces of 2x4 to the bottom/sides
>trans
>> with one of those ratcheting tie-down straps (T-18 won't balance very
>nicely
>> when sitting flat). Extra hands would have really been useful during
>this
>> stage.
>> Getting main drive gear threaded through the throwout bearing (without
>> knocking it off the lever) and into the clutch requires patience and
>> detirmination.
>> The removable hump in the cab is a godsend. You can see everything from
>> above and get some bolts removed/installed from above.
>> All this leads to my question: Am I crazy or do I remember seeing a
>trans
>> adapter advertised somewhere for the large saddle floor jacks? I checked
>in
>> ALL of the stores (NAPA, Western Auto, etc), and none of them had one. I
>> don't change transmissions very often, but I think this would definately
>be
>> worth the price.
>> PS: Sean, if you want anymore gory details that I might be able to help
>> with, let me know. I don't want to bore everyone else with the minutia.
>>
>> > Which leads me to the bigger question--how tough a job is it to get the
>> > flywheel out of there for someone without an engine hoist or tranny
>jack?
>> > I _do_ have a basic floor jack and cinder blocks...
>> >
>> > I'm assuming that I either have to pull the engine or the
>trans/transfer
>> > case assembly. This is a manual trans, 4WD, btw.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > --sean
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:29:27 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Tis the season (for carb pre-heat)

Well, I've been running an open air cleaner housing on my FE390
all summer so I can use the taller 12-1/2" x 3-1/2" filter element
(Fram CA127) instead of the stock 12-1/2" x 2-1/2" element. (Fram CA324A)

Now that the weather is turning cold and damp, I've been having trouble
again with carb icing. At light load when the manifold vaccum is
high, the pressure drop across the throttle plate causes moisture in
the air to freeze on the throttle plate and screw things up.
When I'd get off the freeway and decelerate to the bottom of a ramp, the
engine would die if I didn't keep my foot on the gas a bit. It would
also be a pain in the butt around town if you had to stop at a sign or
light after a couple minutes or more of of light throttle running.
And only if it's damp out and the air temp is below 45-50F or so...

I finally broke down this week and went back to a closed housing
with a pre-heat stove on the manifold...
The stock exhaust manifolds have a heat stove thingy built on them, but
since I've got headers, the only stove I had was a crummy little piece
of steel tubing with 2 tabs on it that Hooker sent with my headers.
You clamp the "stove" to one of the header pipes, and put the preheater
hose on the tube and that gets a little "preheated" air into the carb
to keep things from icing when it's cold out. That preheat stove didn't
work well enough when it got really cold out last year, and I didn't
really like the idea of using hose clamps to attach the "stove" to the
header tube, for fear of having corrosion problems on the header tubes
under the clamps...

This week I made a flat bracket that bolts to the top #1 and #2 header
bolts and welded the 2" tube that Hooker supplied to it. I made some
small sheet metal "shrouds" and welded them on so it picks up air that
is pulled across a pretty good section of header pipe on cylinders #1
and #2. It should be much more efficient at getting a good supply of
warm air quickly than the silly setup that Hooker sent with the headers.

I used the air cleaner housing from a late 70's big sedan that has a
vacuum operated dookie in the snout to control a warm air flap. When
engine vacuum is high, it closes off the main air inlet, and opens the
air inlet port that comes off the heat stove so it gets nice warm air
into the carb at light load. When manifold is lower (when You romp it),
the flap closes the warm air port and opens the main air inlet so it
only sucks cool air when you're looking for power...
There's also a thermostatic vacuum thingy in the air cleaner housing
that shuts off the vacuum supply to the flap when the air temps are
high.

I'm hoping that setup will keep things reasonably warmed up when the
chilly, wet weather gets here for real. I just got the stove finished
and hooked up this evening, so we'll see...

The next job is to figure out how to modify an air cleaner housing
so I can run the tall 3-1/2" filter element and still have a closed
housing...


Steve
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:32:49 -0500
From: Dayton Boyd
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric fans

I was thinking about changing over to electric fans on my 460, but I do
need some opionions on it first. First thing, my truck runs at 200F,
period, all the time, cant get it lower than that. I really dontknow if
thats good or bad considering that I dont have another ford that has a
actual numbered temp guage. Im running a 4 core radiator. So anyways, do
you think I should do it?? I was going to set it up dual fans like steve
did on his 390. Whatcha all think??

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460


At 10:56 PM 11/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>From: Ken Payne
>>Good to have you back here. Hows the truck doing? Are you
>>still doing the model car/truck thing?
>
>Thanks bro, it's good to be back. The trucks doing great now that I've
>got the power steering pump to quit leaking. The RC truck is a kick in
>the butt. It runs into too much money though. :[
>
>>I have a question for you.... I'm running my truck with an
>>electric fan and the normal fan. I recall that you are (or
>>were) running an electric setup all by itself. Now that
>>some time has passed, how has it held up? If you haven't
>>been stranded by it, I'll do the same to my 67.
>
> I'm still running an electric fan on my truck an haven't had a
>problem with it. My fan is too small but I mounted it in the fan shroud
>which seems to work as well as the size I should have. I would like to
>hook up a thermostat switch on it but never got around to it. The way
>Steve has his is the proper way. But my truck warms up and stays on the
>low side of normal in gridlock on a hot So. CA summer day, so I'll
>probably never do it. :) It may be my imagination but my engine seems to
>run smoother, quieter and has more power. I think it's the way to go
>IMHO.
>
>Good luck with yours bro. Everyone that I know that's changed over has
>been happy with it. I'd like to see someone with a 460 try one. Gary? :]
>
>Deacon
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:35:28 -0500
From: Dayton Boyd
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Different ratio geasrs in 4X4

Your right, that little of a diffrence dosent matter. can acutally help a
little bit in some cases to have diffrent ratios. But 4:10 and 3:50 is to
big of a gap to ride on the road without doing damage..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 02:54 AM 11/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>On Mon, 9 Nov 1998, am14 chrysler.com wrote:
>>
>> Cooter writes: >>I have a question concerning gear ratios in my 4 wheel
>> drive. If I put 3.50:1 in the back, and 4.11:1 in the front, will I be
>> able to drive it in 4 wheel drive on the road?
>>
>> Not very far. It will bind and its like some one locked your brakes. If
>> you have enough horsepower up front, you can break something easily.
>> Differences in ratios must be very slight, with the front being the lower
>> numerically - (IE 4.10 front 4.11 rear - 3.50 front 3.55 rear. Reason for
>> this is that the front takes longer path in in a curve.
>
>Not necessarilly...my '61 F-100 (all stock) has a 9" in the back and a
>Dana 44 up front. The 9" is 3.89 and the 44 is 3.92. As far as I can
>tell, this is because these are the ratios that are available in this
>range, and no other reason.
>
>In my opinion, the 3 tenths of a point spread makes absolutely no
>difference. Tire wear and even pressure could make more of a difference
>than that.
>
>There is a web site somewhere that lists all the available ratios for
>every axle. I can't find it now, it belongs to some parts specialist or
>something. Maybe somebody can point me there.
>
>Birken
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 18:50:10 -0800
From: hankg mtaonline.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: dieseling

hankg mtaonline.net wrote:
>
> my experience that dieseling is generally caused by to high an idle
> speed. weak throttle spring, choke not getting down off of fast idle,
> vacuum caps blown off of "tree" a rear of intake manifold creating a
> vacuum leak, which lets extra air in similar to open throttle plates a
> little more effectively raising idle speed. could have a timing problem
> but you are looking for something that has maybe changed unless you have
> maybe worked on one of these areas. just some info that could help
> you.
> when ford engines diesel the last straw is to run backwards at the end
> and that turns the intake manifold into the exhaust manifold and the
> vacuum caps(plugs) on the "tree" weren't designed to hold exhaust
> pressures. check these first before you mess with the carb settings.
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 21:43:46 -0500
From: Dayton Boyd
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - kingpins' 65 F100

Ive done plenty of work with bolts that wont come out (mostly on our farm
equipment). usally glowing red is the only way to losen really stuck
bolts. I can usally stop heating and move the nut er whatever for about
30-60 seconds, then it has to be heated again. Propane wont do the trick,
so you basically have to go oxy/acyt torch..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460


At 12:01 PM 11/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>How much heat did you need?
>We used a propane torch and let it get fairly hot, wasn't glowing or
>anything though.
>Still didn't get the out.
>This weekend we are going to a shop and having them pressed out.
> -srw
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Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 19:46:37 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Electric fans

>I was thinking about changing over to electric fans on my 460, but I do
>need some opionions on it first. First thing, my truck runs at 200F,
>period, all the time, cant get it lower than that. I really dontknow if
>thats good or bad considering that I dont have another ford that has a
>actual numbered temp guage. Im running a 4 core radiator. So anyways, do
>you think I should do it?? I was going to set it up dual fans like steve
>did on his 390. Whatcha all think??
>
>cannandale
>'78 F250 4x4, 460

I think 200F is a nice temperature. I run a 195F thermostat, and my fans
don't come on until about 205F. I can run mine much cooler if I want,
but higher coolant temps are good for efficiency and reduced engine wear
as long as the oil temps don't get out of hand.
I think the dual fans on my 3-row radcore would be more than adequate for
a 460. With the 4-row it should be plenty extra good...


Steve
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