61-79-list-digest Monday, November 9 1998 Volume 02 : Number 515



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - gear ratios in 4x4
Re: FTE 61-79 - The He-Man Header Haters Club
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
FTE 61-79 - Manuals and where to get them!
FTE 61-79 - Re Doors and stuff like that.
FTE 61-79 - 61-79 headers,paint
FTE 61-79 - '71 F100 Manuals
Re: FTE 61-79 - Wiring Diagram for '61
Re: FTE 61-79 - More power
FTE 61-79 - Engine mount towers
Re: FTE 61-79 - pinion seal
Re: FTE 61-79 - gear ratios in 4x4
FTE 61-79 - NP540 5-speeds transmission info! :))
FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft probs...
Re: FTE 61-79 - Help with Ibeam bushings needed
FTE 61-79 - Urgent! late 70's cab mount supplier
FTE 61-79 - looking for a 76 f-250 bed
FTE 61-79 - SB Dist. on BB
Re: FTE 61-79 - Help with Ibeam bushings needed
Re: FTE 61-79 - Door and Window seals

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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 04:21:49 -0800
From: MC
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - gear ratios in 4x4

j arnold wrote:

> I have a question concerning gear ratios in my 4 wheel drive. If I put
> 3.50:1 in the back, and 4.11:1 in the front, will I be able to drive it in
> 4 wheel drive on the road?

Yes. For a very short distance. If you put gearing like that in there, it
will cause the front tires to rotate at a different speed that the back
tires. If you are on hard pack when this happens, the difference in speed
will cause things to start binding up inside. I don't know which part would
go first, but you could destroy your transfer case, drivelines(U joints), and
the differentials.

On the other hand, if you put different size tires on your truck, then you
could get away with this without a problem. With different size tires on the
front axle and the rear, it will even out the difference in the gearing. I'm
not sure which end would need the taller tires, or how much taller they would
have to be, but I'm sure one of the other guys on the list knows the math and
could tell you. It would probably be a lot easier to get matching gears
though. It would definitely look better.


- --
Matt Cozad
1994 Toyota 4Runner 4x4 "Yoda"
1970 F100 4x4 "Jabba the Truck"
1969 F100 4x4 "Spare Parts"


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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 12:40:56 GMT
From: wayside cyberhighway.net (Rob Patelke)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - The He-Man Header Haters Club

On Tue, 03 Nov 1998 14:17:43 -0600, you wrote:

> They always, I don't
>care what you do, leak when cold. This sometimes causes
>drivability problems during warm up, because you start off dead lean,
>then over rich when they suddenly seal up. Setting up a choke to work
>perfectly under all conditions can be a challenge.=20
Leak when cold? Would a symptom of that be a noise that sorta sounds like=
a
spark rattle that goes away after the first mile or so? My 400 does this,
and some previous owner had installed headers.

Rob Patelke
In snowy Sheridan Wyoming
Lovin' my '78 F250 4X4
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 09:22:58 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates

- -Links sections have been added to.
- -Pictorial has had many pictures added. Pictorial main pages split
up because they were getting quite large.


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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 10:01:43 -0500
From: "Mr. Paul R. Boudreault"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Manuals and where to get them!


I've got a '71 F100 4x4, 4 Speed with a 390 out of a '72.
When I bought it the engine was blown and the differentials didn't
match. I got the engine taken care of but I am in need of a manual to
guide me thru the differentials. I have a Chiltons, but there is not
enough info to give me the confidence to open up the Dana 44.



Hi guys.

Earlier I was looking for manuals for my 79 Ford Bronco. Someone was nice
enough to email a number to a company that still has many new and
reproduction manuals, including the ones I need. The whole set is about
$100.00, (5 books). Not bad considering that Ford still has one of the
manuals and wants $50.00 for it alone.

The number is 1 508 872 9173
Name is "Bob Johnson's Auto Literature, in MA.

I understand that they have manuals for others such as 1966.

Hope this is a help, as it really helped me!!

Later,

"Paul"




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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 10:11:36 -0500
From: "Mr. Paul R. Boudreault"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re Doors and stuff like that.


I ordered the door and window seals from JC Whittney. With any luck, their
computers won't be down this time and I'll actually get my order by
Thanksgiving so I can put it all together.


Hi Gary, and gang.


I am also undertaking the "restoration project of the century", (at least
feels that way. ;>)
I was talking to a couple of body shops in my area which are concerned about
parts which are not "CERTIFIED" . I guess things like fit problems etc..
Any concerns with this? I am in the same boat on this one, and if in doubt
I will order my doors and tail gate from Ford because of this. (At least I
get a discount a la "Ford Employee" type. ;>)

Any input is appreciated.

Later,

"Paul"


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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 11:11:07 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 61-79 headers,paint

Hey Bosco,

Thanks for the input on headers.....the big question is, did they make much
difference? I put mine on so long ago, I don't remember. It seems like at the
time I was kind of disappointed that they didn't make much
difference....remember, I pretty much am always below 3000 RPM.....

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 09:13:56 -0800 (PST)
From: m frank
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '71 F100 Manuals

Sorry about sending the same message so many times yesterday. I am
new at this and kept getting error messages.

I promise to do better.

The Teal Terror



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DO YOU YAHOO!?

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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 11:24:00 -0700
From: Blaine Strong
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Wiring Diagram for '61

Did you find a wiring diagram yet? I have one, I could scan it & e-mail
it to you if you still need it.

Blaine

Vogt Family wrote:
>
> Hello, it is now time to get the old truck finally rolling. I would
> like to know where I can find a schematic.
>
> Birken
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 11:27:20 -0700
From: Blaine Strong
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - More power

I have a '63 che*y C-60 with a 292-6 that I replaced the Rochester 1bbl
with a weber 2bbl, and I like it a lot better.

Blaine

Eric Washburn wrote:
>
> Hi. I have a 67 F100 Custom Cab. I was wondering how I can get more power
> out of my 240 that has been bored 60 over with a 1bbl Autolite. Any help
> would be appreciated.
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 14:58:40 -0600
From: Shawn Donkin
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Engine mount towers

I'm putting in a 351m/c6 to replace the 351c/c4 in my 68F100 2wd.
Will i need to change these mount 'towers' to fit the 351m properly?

Shawn Donkin

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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 16:47:44 -0500
From: Dayton Boyd
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - pinion seal

No, my truck has the Dana 60 , its a 250..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 11:40 AM 11/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>
>"Gary, 78 BBB" wrote:
>
>> Date sent: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 12:54:00 -0800
>> From: Don Grossman
>> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - pinion seal
>>
>> > and then slip the sleve on. Better yet pick up a new yoke.
>>
>> The "yoke" is the pinion shaft which is the pinion gear which can't be
>> replaced without the ring gear on the 9". The seal rides on the shaft no
the
>> yoke doesn't it?
>>
>> Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary --
>
>I'm sorry I thought it was a Dana 60 for some reason. I have not had a 9"
>center section apart so I can't help with that one
>
>--
>Don Grossman
>duckdon pacific.net
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon
>
>
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 16:52:12 -0500
From: Dayton Boyd
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - gear ratios in 4x4

Nope! you will break something, u-joint, whatever. But you will tear
something up. If not, you would have your back tires spinning while the
front dosent..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 10:56 PM 11/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>I have a question concerning gear ratios in my 4 wheel drive. If I put
>3.50:1 in the back, and 4.11:1 in the front, will I be able to drive it in
>4 wheel drive on the road?
>
>Cooter
>1978 F-150 4x4 460, NP435
>
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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 15:36:31 PST
From: "NP 540"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NP540 5-speeds transmission info! :))

>> 5-SPEEDS TRANSMISSION SWAP POSSIBILITIES
>> NP540 from a 1961 International(?) 3-tons(?) truck.
>> Usually found on dump-trucks of various makes.
>> Maybe it can be found on school buses.
>>
>>
>> DIMENTIONS
>> (with top cover(shift housing) removed)
>>FRONT FACE
>> 9 inches wide by 12 1/2
>> input bearing is 3 15/16 diameter, centered and top of it is
>> 1 1/4 down from top of front face
>> 6 bolts hold the front face of this transmission to the bellhousing
>> 2 top holes: 9 inches center to center (have ears) and 1 3/8 from
>> top of front face, 1 1/16 diameter.
>> 2 middle holes: 9 inches center to center (have ears) and 4 3/4
>> from above holes, center to center, 1 1/16 diam.
>> 2 bottom holes: 7 inches center to center, 9/16 treaded blind
>> holes, 3 1/2 from middles holes, 9 1/4 from top
>> of front face, center to center.
>> there is a 4 1/8 diameter recessed access plate centered and top
>> of it is 5 7/8 from top of front face.
>>
>>BACK FACE
>> 7 1/2 wide by 12 1/8
>> output bearing is 3 1/2 diameter, centered, and top of it is 1 1/2
>> from top of face.
>> 5 bolts hold the bearing retainer:
>> 2 top holes: 1 5/8 from top of face and 3 1/8 center to center
>> 2 bottom holes: 4 3/4 from top of face and 3 1/8 center to center
>> middle hole: driver side and 1 3/4 from each same side holes,
>> center to center.
>> There is a 4 1/2 by 4 1/2 by 3/8 thick access plate, top of it is
>> 3/4 inch under bottom of output bearing.
>>
>>OUTPUT SHAFT
>> Output bearing exit 7/32 inch from back face.
>> Output shaft is 2 3/4 long, 1 1/2 diameter, 10 splines(from output
>> bearing) with a 3/4 long by 1 inch diameter treaded end.
>>
>>INPUT SHAFT
>> FRONT BEARING RETAINER
>> Throwout bearing rides on a 1 5/8 diameter by 5 inches long
>> section.
>> Outer diameter is 5 5/16 inches, 7/16 thick, 4 bolts hold it to
>> front face.
>> Total lenght is 7 1/8.
>> INPUT SHAFT
>> Synchronizer gear: 2 15/32 diameter by 1 inch wide, 24 teets.
>> followed by 1/8 space.
>> 5th gear: 3 7/32 diameter by 7/8 inch wide, 21 angled teets.
>> followed by 1/8 space.
>> Input bearing: 3 15/16 diameter by 13/16 wide total.
>> 9/16 of it (from front face) go inside.
>> Snap ring goes outside of front face, inside of
>> bearing retainer.
>> 2 1/8 diameter by 3/8 wide treaded section for bearing retainer
>> nut.
>> 1 1/4 diameter by 3/4 wide section for input seal.
>> The rest of input shaft tapers down to 1 3/16 until 1 1/4
>> diameter splines.
>> A section 2 inches long by 1 1/4 diameter, 10 splines, exit
>> from front of front bearing retainer, followed by a 3/4 long
>> by 1 inch diameter section for pilot bearing(flywheel).
>> There is a 1 7/16 deep by 1 1/2 diameter section inside of gear
>> side of input shaft that contain 9/32 diameter roller bearings
>> riding on a 15/16 section of front of OUTPUT (or main?)shaft.
>>
>> Distance from front to back face is 13 1/16.
>> first gear: 7.3 to 1 not synchronized(unfortunately!)
>> straight cut teets.
>> second gear: 4.2 to 1
>> third gear: 2.4 to 1
>> fourth gear: 1.5 to 1
>> fifth gear: 1 to 1
>> reverse: 7.8 to 1
>> those ratios are close approximations.
>> first gear shift patern is to the left and up.
>> second is next up to it (regular H shift patern).
>> reverse is to the right and up.
>>
>>Well, that's it for now! Do you know if those dimentions would be
>>compatible for a swap with a NP435 4-speeds from a Ford 4x4 truck?
>>I am presently opening up one of those heavy-duty 5-speeds. Let me
>>know if you need more informations about this NP540 at:
>> NP540 hotmail.com
>>
>>
>>Also, does somebody know if New-Process or New-Venture-Gear has
>>an internet site? My numerous searches has come empty-handed
>>so far. :(
>>
>>
>>Mr. FORD (without a FORD! :( One day, soon, I hope.....)
>>
>>Vive le FORD!
>>
>>Oh, yea, I am new to this list; this is my first posting! Hope it
>>could be of use to somebody! :)))
>>I am from New-Brunswick, Canada! And french-speaking! :)
>>


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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 19:04:12 -0500 (EST)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Driveshaft probs...

Well, the other day I sealed my front differential case on my 79 F150
4x4, and decided to take it out and do some much needed off roading.
UNforntunatley, as I was driving, in 4H about 50 mph, I heard a rattling
near the transfer case, I looked under an inspected, finding a ratttle
front driveshaft. Can this be tightened, or is it just worn out? ANd if
it is worn out....hard to fix or not? Thank 4 you help....

-Justin Farcas --



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Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 17:24:06 -0700
From: dan & Cheryl Ledford
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Help with Ibeam bushings needed

I changed the bushings in my '70 f100 without any problems (knock on wood).
I got a frontend rebuild kit from Performance Suspension (Phonix, AZ
602-272-4085). Don't know if you can order just the axle bushings -
probably so. Anyway, the axle dropped right out ( maybe a little prying
with a crowbar). The new bushings slipped right in. It is a tight fit, but
with the kingpin end of the axle supported on a jackstand, you can
pry/hammer the bolt end of the axle up into the frame. I didn't replace the
mushroom sleeve in the axle; it seemed to be in good shape so I figured
leave well enough alone. The whole process was time consuming but not
particularly difficult. Good luck.

Garry Bowling wrote:

> Has anyone out there ever tried changing the Bushings on the I-Beams on
> your trucks? How hard is it? How do you get the I-Beam to slide of the
> frame mount? Should I pay someone to do this? Help needed.
> Garry Bowling
> 1967 F100 Longbed (christine)
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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:41:30 -0500
From: "Matthew R. Schwartz"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Urgent! late 70's cab mount supplier

I was just informed by my friendly body shop guy that the cab mount that he
ordered for '76 Super cab F250 is to thin to be used. Is there a quality
source of late 70 body parts? JCW is probably to thin. Any ideas? Floor pan
may be needed as well....

Also, will the motor mounts from a 78 F250 ( 460 ) bolt into the 76 F250
frame?

Thanks!

Matt

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Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 23:43:02 EST
From: GMPACHECO aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - looking for a 76 f-250 bed

Hi, got a friend that needs a new bed for his F-250, anyone have an extra,=
or
should I just call the yards.??
Mike in Seattle=BF

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Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 01:20:31 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - SB Dist. on BB

Just out of curiosity, since I don't have the money to do it right now,
is there any way to make the top part of a small block distributor fit
the bottom part of a Big Block/Cleveland/M-Block distributor?
Electromotive makes a fuel injection pulse wheel type thing that
installs in the distributor location, but only for a small block. I
don't really like the idea of a big toothed wheel spinning from the
crank, too vulnerable and like a big saw...

Birken
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 05:55:10 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Help with Ibeam bushings needed

Date sent: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 21:31:41 -0500
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Help with Ibeam bushings needed

> Has anyone out there ever tried changing the Bushings on the I-Beams on
> your trucks? How hard is it? How do you get the I-Beam to slide of the
> frame mount? Should I pay someone to do this? Help needed. Garry Bowling
> 1967 F100 Longbed (christine)

You have to jack it up and have it on jack stands with the tire almost
touching the ground (or take the tire off for more room if needed) and then
you can slide the whole mess sideways enough to get them out and back in
but the rust on the threads is the toughest part of the whole thing and the
bushings sometimes rust in so hard they have to be pried out but it's not all
that bad on an I beam 2wd ford. You will need to loosen the bolt holding
the "C" part of the radius arm to allow it to move easily and this may be
rusted in as well so may need some "encouragement" :-)

Watch your teeth as you pull/pry on it so when it clears it doesn't swing
round and crack you noggin though.

Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary --
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Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 06:09:57 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Door and Window seals

From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Date sent: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:18:40 EST....


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