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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - pinion seal
Re: FTE 61-79 - Noisy engine design??
FTE 61-79 - Saturday?
Re: FTE 61-79 - need a catalog
Re: FTE 61-79 - pinion seal
Re: FTE 61-79 - pinion seal
FTE 61-79 - Deacon's Appetite For Fellow List Members
FTE 61-79 - Manuals for a '71 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Manuals for a '71 F100
FTE 61-79 - 390/410 Help
Re: FTE 61-79 - Saturday?
FTE 61-79 - Block Casting # help!
RE: FTE 61-79 - Block Casting # help!
Re: FTE 61-79 - Block Casting # help!
Re: FTE 61-79 - 390/410 Help
Re: FTE 61-79 - Deacon's Appetite For Fellow List Members
FTE 61-79 - Re: Rear Sump Oil Pan
Re: FTE 61-79 - Manuals for a '71 F100
Re: FTE 61-79 - Gears sticking
Re: FTE 61-79 - pinion seal
FTE 61-79 - Help with Ibeam bushings needed
Re: FTE 61-79 - Manuals for a '71 F100
FTE 61-79 - Interesting item on eBay web site item#39320829: Ford Truck Shop Manual - 1979
FTE 61-79 - gear ratios in 4x4
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote
FTE 61-79 - FTE 61-79 headers,paint?

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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 06:13:39 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - pinion seal

Date sent: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 12:54:00 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - pinion seal

> and then slip the sleve on. Better yet pick up a new yoke.

The "yoke" is the pinion shaft which is the pinion gear which can't be
replaced without the ring gear on the 9". The seal rides on the shaft no the
yoke doesn't it?

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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 06:28:03 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Noisy engine design??

Date sent: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 00:17:31 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - He-Man Header Haters Club...Reprise

> I've taken mine out a few times to see what all of my piston noise is
> worth,

Speaking of which.......when I rev my 351M in second and third (4 spd) it
rattles pretty loud at what I consider pretty moderate, low pressure (no load)
rpms but when all the way to the floor the rattle is either drowned by the
aircleaner noise or goes away. I thought it might be the clutch or input shaft
or gears in the tranny but the new tranny had very smooth bearings and tight
shafts, new pilot beaing and clutch etc.. It seems to be coming from the
engine itself. Almost souunds like valve train noise but really rattly, loose
sounding like it's not good but I can floor it and it goes as far as I have nerve
and is sitll holding together so I'm sort of thinking it's just a noisy engine
design??

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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 07:50:28 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Saturday?

Where the heck is every body? Oh, it's only 07:25 am. Ok so you guys all
stayed up late last night talking on the internet and can't get up early today
right?

I changed the valve cover gaskets the other day and had to take a couple of
wires off the plugs to get the passenger side one off. When I put it back on I
hooked them up as I remembered them but managed to get them in the
wrong place. Half way to work I finally stopped to check the choke which
was fine but didn't bother to try reversing the wires so it ran rough all the way
to work. After work I switched the offending wires and amazingly enough I
have a smooth running engine now and it doesn't leak any more, at least on
top :-) So much for knowing everything :-)

When I did the tranny I had to remove the seat and pull the carpet up.
MAN! was that rotten stuff and dusty! Floor looks easily repairable so that's
next on my list I think. Guess I better see if JC has the floor pans for the
bronco too eh? Just looked it up......$37.95 for each half.....COOL! Upper
rear wheel arch.....$24.95.....COOL! This looks like it will be a pieceacake :-)

I ordered the door and window seals from JC Whittney. With any luck, their
computers won't be down this time and I'll actually get my order by
Thanksgiving so I can put it all together.

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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:16:13 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - need a catalog

Date sent: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 19:12:01 -0800
From: Steve
Subject: FTE 61-79 - need a catalog

> interior pieces like light covers and switches etc. Is there a catalog
> that has this stuff for my 71 Ford??????/

Dennis Carpenter
Obsolete ford parts
AutoKrafters
JC Whitney
FoMoCo (believe it or not still has some of these things for many models)


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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 08:37:02 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - pinion seal

"Gary, 78 BBB" wrote:

> Date sent: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 12:54:00 -0800
> From: Don Grossman
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - pinion seal
>
> > and then slip the sleve on. Better yet pick up a new yoke.
>
> The "yoke" is the pinion shaft which is the pinion gear which can't be
> replaced without the ring gear on the 9". The seal rides on the shaft no the
> yoke doesn't it?
>
> Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary --

I'm sorry I thought it was a Dana 60 for some reason. I have not had a 9"
center section apart so I can't help with that one

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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 11:50:48 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - pinion seal

Date sent: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 08:37:02 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - pinion seal

> I'm sorry I thought it was a Dana 60 for some reason. I have not had a 9"
> center section apart so I can't help with that one

I hate it when someone says he's sorry.........now I may have made a mistake
so maybe I should be sorry since now that you mention it I don't recall
reading what kind it was?? As I recall the dana 44 yoke does work in the seal
as you said but, again if I recall the yoke on the 9" is outside of the seal but
that may not be correct either so why did I even open my mouth.....er
fingers??

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 10:11:51 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Deacon's Appetite For Fellow List Members

It's like I told you months ago, he's picking us off one by one. Who
knows who might be next, Steve's been suffering from a bad back.
Coincedence? You gotta wonder.
>
> Marko cheated, he found a Marauder complete with 410 :-). But Azie,
> I think your memory is better than mine, I kind of remember him
> discussing his piston selection here, a long time ago. Speaking
> of Marko, where is he? And Stu, for that matter. Deacon, what have
> you done to them ?
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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:25:03 -0800 (PST)
From: m frank
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Manuals for a '71 F100

I've got a '71 F100 4x4, 4 Speed with a 390 out of a '72.
When I bought it the engine was blown and the differentials didn't
match. I got the engine taken care of but I am in need of a manual to
guide me thru the differentials. I have a Chiltons, but there is not
enough info to give me the confidence to open up the Dana 44.

Any Suggestions?????

The Teal Terror




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> FTE 61-79 - - 1968 F-250 steering column
> Re: FTE 61-79 - toe-in -
> RE: FTE 61-79 - - 1966 F-100 steering column
> FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 61-79-list split
> FTE 61-79 - 390/410 Help
> FTE 61-79 - Frame measurements
> FTE 61-79 - Re: Tilt steering transplant
> FTE 61-79 - Various topics.
> FTE 61-79 - 360/390
> FTE 61-79 - pinion seal
> Re: FTE 61-79 - 360/390
> Re: FTE 61-79 - pinion seal
> FTE 61-79 - Re: pinion seal
> FTE 61-79 - Re: 360/390
> FTE 61-79 - Various topics.
> FTE 61-79 - Re: Spot Weld Drawing
> FTE 61-79 - shorty headers
> Re: FTE 61-79 - 390/410 Help
> FTE 61-79 - need a catalog
> Re: FTE 61-79 - 390/410 help
> FTE 61-79 - Bush Pilot
> FTE 61-79 - He-Man Header Haters Club...Reprise
> FTE 61-79 - 390 Help
> FTE 61-79 - 410 Query
> Re: FTE 61-79 - Vent windows
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> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 06:16:48 -0600
> From: "J Elliott"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - - 1968 F-250 steering column
>
> original:
> >I have a 1968 F-250 w/4 speed floor shift and power steering.****I
would
> like to install a later model column w/tilt wheel.Anybody out there
> performed this swap?***Any information will be appreciated.
>
> I have no answer, but a similar question - I have been thinking
about a
> tilt-wheel column for my 69 F-100 2w power steering. Anybody done
this one
> to share some pointers? I woul actually like the column a couple of
inches
> shorter than the original to get a little more room in the cab, the
current
> wheel position is a bit close for my arms.
>
> Jim E.
>
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> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:22:13 +0000
> From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
> Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - toe-in -
>
> From: "b hp"
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - toe-in -
> Date sent: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 09:38:02 PDT
>
> > recently replaced the fiber steering washer and tie rods. I then
set the
> > toe-in to 3/8 does anyone have the correct # for the toe-in setting.
>
> Ok, gang, excuse me if I'm attacking a dead horse here, these posts
are
> pretty old but I don't remember seeing answers to them so here goes:
>
> Toe should be nearly zero on a 4wd but still positive as in a 2wd,
that is front
> of tires closer than back but only by about 1/32 - 1/8" at the most.
3/8 is
> way too much. Camber is a wide spec on fords but should be kept to a
> minimum too if you want your tires to hold up. Caster is pretty
forgiving but
> can cause what I call "head shake" if too severe. 4 wheelers run
into this
> when they get too caried away with "C" bushing caster adjustments.
>
> Remember that toe only trys to make the tires exactly parallel under
way so is
> there to take up any mush or slack in the steering linkage. Full
time front
> wheel drive vehicles have "toe out" rather than "in" for this
reason. The
> older and more beat up your linkage is the more toe you should use
but you
> still have to be carefull not to get carried away. Toe is probably
the hardest
> aspect on tire wear with camber running a close second. When the
linkage is
> loose enough to require more than normal toe to correct the tires
when under
> way you should repair it.
>
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> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:55:53 -0500
> From: "Kenny Realph"
> Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - - 1966 F-100 steering column
>
> original:
> >I have a 1968 F-250 w/4 speed floor shift and power steering.****I
would
> >erformed this swap?***Any information will be appreciated.
>
> >I have no answer, but a similar question - I have been thinking
about a
> >tilt-wheel column for my 69 F-100 2w power steering. Anybody done
this one
> >to share some pointers? I woul actually like the column a couple of
inches
> >shorter than the original to get a little more room in the cab, the
current
> >wheel position is a bit close for my arms.
>
> >Jim E.
>
> I have no answer either, but along the same train of thought I know
I've
> seen some old trucks in magazines with Cadilac steering columns
(tilt, and
> telescoping). Don't know how hard it is to install, but I would be
willing
> to try on my truck if anyone would like to donate one to me!!! One
place
> that might be worth the trouble of calling would be SoCal Pickups,
their ad
> says They will help you see what you see in it. They are in all the
Truck
> Mags.
>
>
> Kenny Realph
> 1966 F100 240I 1v
> E-Mail: krealph hotmail.com
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> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 09:52:14 -0500
> From: Ken Payne
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 61-79-list split
>
> If you haven't voted on the 61-79 list split, today is the
> last day to do so. If you think your vote doesn't count,
> think again. One vote **can** make a difference. As of
> 5 minutes ago:
>
> In favor of split: 70
> Against: 71
> Don't care: 11
>
> This is going to be a close one..... The voting center
> is linked off the main page on the web site.
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com/
>
> Ken Payne
> Admin
> (PS. Don't think about cheating on the vote. I'm going
> to remove such votes.)
>
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> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 09:55:17 -0600
> From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390/410 Help
>
> The 410 piston's pin bore is .100 higher on the piston, and uses the
> same rod length as the 390. These pistons should be available in cast,
> forged might be a problem to find. The 410 is externally balanced, so
> the flywheel and damper have to be weighted for this. Azie suggested
> once that you can borrow someone else's 410 flexplate or flywheel and
> have a 390 one balanced to the same spec. It sounds like a great idea,
> and I suspect that a 410 damper is still available from Ford.
>
> - -> >Can't help you with most of this ... I also have a 360 and am
> looking to
> > >upgrade. I found a running one (burning oil though) for $150,
and I'm
> > >thinkin of building it to a 410 or 390, anyone help me out with
what parts
> > >I need for that ? They're all the same bore, and the local parts
shop
> > said
> > >a 410 and 390 listed the same pistons ... true ? false ? anyone ?
> >
> >
> > My understanding is that the 410 is a 390 with the 428
crank/stroke. The
> > bore should be the same, but the rods would be different. I'm
sure that
> > there's someone who knows more about this than I do, since this is
where I
> > got my information...
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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 12:41:48 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Manuals for a '71 F100

Date sent: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 09:25:03 -0800 (PST)
From: m frank
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Manuals for a '71 F100

> guide me thru the differentials. I have a Chiltons, but there is not
> enough info to give me the confidence to open up the Dana 44.

Dana 44 is all about shims, no preloads or crush sleeves. The process is
fairly straight forward but you have to have some precision equipment: dial
indicator, mag base, and surface gauge among others. You can probably go
to the library and get a motor's or helms shop manual which will give you all
the torques and measurments etc..

The basic stuff is to get the pinion depth as accurately as you can, plus or
minus the value stamped on the end of the pinion gear and then set the back
lash all of which is done with shims and dial indicator using certain gauge
blocks etc.. If you are not experienced with tools or indicators you might do
better to have someone experienced work with you or pay someone to do it
for you. The ford service manual has a very detailed and easy to follow
description of the process for both the dana and the 9".

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 10:45:43 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390/410 Help

A 390 piston in a 410 would go above .000 deck. in a 410 and hit the
head. A 410 piston in a 390 wouldn't make much compression. All 390,
410, 427, and 428's use the same 6.488 rod length. The 352 and 360 use
a skinny 6.548 rod, a .060 difference in length. The 360 uses the same
flat top w/eyebrows piston as a regular fuel 9.5 to 1 390, and loses
appeox 3/4 point of compression, unless you use a thinner head gasket or
mill the heads.

So lets recap here. All FE blocks have the same deck height. Piston pin
bore location is the same for all engines but the 410/428's which have
the bore located .100 higher. All FE rods but the 352 and 360 are the
same length at 6.488 inches.

- -> Let me get this straight. Even though the bore is the same as the
390
> piston the 410 piston has a higher pin bore. I assume that means that
true
> 410 rods are .100 longer to compensate for the loss of compression.
Which
> means that the 390 rod/piston combo will work but to get the benefit of
the
> added torque that the 410 delivers by having a longer rod (I believe
Steve
> taught me that one), you would need to use the 410 rods/pinstons. That
> means true 410 rods with 390 pistons could be disasterous by .100 and 390
> rods with 410 pistons would mean a loss of desired compression
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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 13:18:40 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Saturday?

In a message dated 11/7/98 4:53:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, gpeters3 ford.com
writes:

>

I'm considering buying mine from them. How much were they? And after they get
there, lemme know what you think of the quality. I may end up just going to
the dealer, but.....

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 14:14:16 -0600
From: Shawn Donkin
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Block Casting # help!

Hello, just about ready to pull my old engine out (only converter and
engine-trans
bolts left) out and noticed that this is not the engine that i was told
that was in it when i bought it. I was told it was a 351m and it does
not match the 351m i just bought.
Can anyone decode this casting number for me as i dont know what engine
it is?
D2AE-CA

Please help!

Shawn

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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 14:13:40 -0800
From: "pat green"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - Block Casting # help!

Shawn, Check out this link it should be able to help
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/glance.html

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Shawn Donkin
> Sent: Saturday, November 07, 1998 12:14 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Block Casting # help!
>
>
> Hello, just about ready to pull my old engine out (only converter and
> engine-trans
> bolts left) out and noticed that this is not the engine that i was told
> that was in it when i bought it. I was told it was a 351m and it does
> not match the 351m i just bought.
> Can anyone decode this casting number for me as i dont know what engine
> it is?
> D2AE-CA
>
> Please help!
>
> Shawn
>
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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 16:18:02 -0600
From: Shawn Donkin
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Block Casting # help!

Ya, i saw that page after i posted to the group .sorry it looks like it's a
351c and not a
351m like i was told.Same valve covers but smallblock bolt pattern.. the
junkyard mught be willing to do a trade with my c4 for a FMX tranny that they
have.. any comments on this tranny? ..is it a good trade?

Thanks,
Shawn

pat green wrote:

> Shawn, Check out this link it should be able to help
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/glance.html
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> > [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Shawn Donkin
> > Sent: Saturday, November 07, 1998 12:14 PM
> > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: FTE 61-79 - Block Casting # help!
> >
> >
> > Hello, just about ready to pull my old engine out (only converter and
> > engine-trans
> > bolts left) out and noticed that this is not the engine that i was told
> > that was in it when i bought it. I was told it was a 351m and it does
> > not match the 351m i just bought.
> > Can anyone decode this casting number for me as i dont know what engine
> > it is?
> > D2AE-CA
> >
> > Please help!
> >
> > Shawn
> >
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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 18:19:45 -0500
From: "The Freeman Family"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 390/410 Help

Thanks for the info! This isn't my thread, but I've following it intensely
and appreciate the info! Hopefully this winter I'll be able to get started
on my 410!

Later,

- -Ted

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From: William L. Ballinger
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 12:43 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390/410 Help


>A 390 piston in a 410 would go above .000 deck. in a 410 and hit the
>head. A 410 piston in a 390 wouldn't make much compression. All 390,
>410, 427, and 428's use the same 6.488 rod length. The 352 and 360 use
>a skinny 6.548 rod, a .060 difference in length. The 360 uses the same
>flat top w/eyebrows piston as a regular fuel 9.5 to 1 390, and loses
>appeox 3/4 point of compression, unless you use a thinner head gasket or
>mill the heads.
>
>So lets recap here. All FE blocks have the same deck height. Piston pin
>bore location is the same for all engines but the 410/428's which have
>the bore located .100 higher. All FE rods but the 352 and 360 are the
>same length at 6.488 inches.
>
>-> Let me get this straight. Even though the bore is the same as the
>390
>> piston the 410 piston has a higher pin bore. I assume that means that
>true
>> 410 rods are .100 longer to compensate for the loss of compression.
>Which
>> means that the 390 rod/piston combo will work but to get the benefit of
>the
>> added torque that the 410 delivers by having a longer rod (I believe
>Steve
>> taught me that one), you would need to use the 410 rods/pinstons. That
>> means true 410 rods with 390 pistons could be disasterous by .100 and 390
>> rods with 410 pistons would mean a loss of desired compression
>--
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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 15:45:22 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Deacon's Appetite For Fellow List Members

>It's like I told you months ago, he's picking us off one by one. Who
>knows who might be next, Steve's been suffering from a bad back.
>Coincedence? You gotta wonder.

Ack ack ack ack. Ack ack ack ack.

{Do not be afraid. We are your friends.}

Deacon
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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 17:02:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Dan Lee
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Rear Sump Oil Pan

Thanks to Dave R. for his reply to my question on rear sump oil pans.

I have another question about 'M' blocks. Will a PS pump and bracket
from a 'M' block fit an early Cleveland.

Dan Lee
'53 F100
351C-4V
danlee58 yahoo.com

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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 18:04:15 -0800
From: "jeffd"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Manuals for a '71 F100

Hi,
Why not buy the Ford Shop Manuals? They are only about $60-70.
You may find a used copy at the neighborhood swapmeet or order from
Helms. I can't remember the number but your local Ford dealer parts
Guy should know.

Jeff

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> From: m frank
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Manuals for a '71 F100
> Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 9:25 AM
>
>
> I've got a '71 F100 4x4, 4 Speed with a 390 out of a '72.
> When I bought it the engine was blown and the differentials didn't
> match. I got the engine taken care of but I am in need of a manual to
> guide me thru the differentials. I have a Chiltons, but there is not
> enough info to give me the confidence to open up the Dana 44.
>
> Any Suggestions?????
>
> The Teal Terror
>
>
>
>
> ---61-79-list-digest wrote:
> >
> >
> > 61-79-list-digest Saturday, November 7 1998 Volume 02 :
> Number 513
> >
> >
> >
> >
> =======================================================================
> > Ford Truck Enthusiasts - 1961-1979 Trucks and Vans
> > Visit our web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com/
> > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > To unsubscribe, send email to:
> > majordomo ford-trucks.com
> > with the words "unsubscribe 61-79-list-digest" in the body of the
> > message.
> >
> =======================================================================
> > In this issue:
> >
> > FTE 61-79 - - 1968 F-250 steering column
> > Re: FTE 61-79 - toe-in -
> > RE: FTE 61-79 - - 1966 F-100 steering column
> > FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 61-79-list split
> > FTE 61-79 - 390/410 Help
> > FTE 61-79 - Frame measurements
> > FTE 61-79 - Re: Tilt steering transplant
> > FTE 61-79 - Various topics.
> > FTE 61-79 - 360/390
> > FTE 61-79 - pinion seal
> > Re: FTE 61-79 - 360/390
> > Re: FTE 61-79 - pinion seal
> > FTE 61-79 - Re: pinion seal
> > FTE 61-79 - Re: 360/390
> > FTE 61-79 - Various topics.
> > FTE 61-79 - Re: Spot Weld Drawing
> > FTE 61-79 - shorty headers
> > Re: FTE 61-79 - 390/410 Help
> > FTE 61-79 - need a catalog
> > Re: FTE 61-79 - 390/410 help
> > FTE 61-79 - Bush Pilot
> > FTE 61-79 - He-Man Header Haters Club...Reprise
> > FTE 61-79 - 390 Help
> > FTE 61-79 - 410 Query
> > Re: FTE 61-79 - Vent windows
> >
> >
> =======================================================================
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 06:16:48 -0600
> > From: "J Elliott"
> > Subject: FTE 61-79 - - 1968 F-250 steering column
> >
> > original:
> > >I have a 1968 F-250 w/4 speed floor shift and power steering.****I
> would
> > like to install a later model column w/tilt wheel.Anybody out there
> > performed this swap?***Any information will be appreciated.
> >
> > I have no answer, but a similar question - I have been thinking
> about a
> > tilt-wheel column for my 69 F-100 2w power steering. Anybody done
> this one
> > to share some pointers? I woul actually like the column a couple of
> inches
> > shorter than the original to get a little more room in the cab, the
> current
> > wheel position is a bit close for my arms.
> >
> > Jim E.
> >
> >
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:22:13 +0000
> > From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
> > Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - toe-in -
> >
> > From: "b hp"
> > Subject: FTE 61-79 - toe-in -
> > Date sent: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 09:38:02 PDT
> >
> > > recently replaced the fiber steering washer and tie rods. I then
> set the
> > > toe-in to 3/8 does anyone have the correct # for the toe-in setting.
> >
> > Ok, gang, excuse me if I'm attacking a dead horse here, these posts
> are
> > pretty old but I don't remember seeing answers to them so here goes:
> >
> > Toe should be nearly zero on a 4wd but still positive as in a 2wd,
> that is front
> > of tires closer than back but only by about 1/32 - 1/8" at the most.
> 3/8 is
> > way too much. Camber is a wide spec on fords but should be kept to a
> > minimum too if you want your tires to hold up. Caster is pretty
> forgiving but
> > can cause what I call "head shake" if too severe. 4 wheelers run
> into this
> > when they get too caried away with "C" bushing caster adjustments.
> >
> > Remember that toe only trys to make the tires exactly parallel under
> way so is
> > there to take up any mush or slack in the steering linkage. Full
> time front
> > wheel drive vehicles have "toe out" rather than "in" for this
> reason. The
> > older and more beat up your linkage is the more toe you should use
> but you
> > still have to be carefull not to get carried away. Toe is probably
> the hardest
> > aspect on tire wear with camber running a close second. When the
> linkage is
> > loose enough to require more than normal toe to correct the tires
> when under
> > way you should repair it.
> >
> > Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary --
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 08:55:53 -0500
> > From: "Kenny Realph"
> > Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - - 1966 F-100 steering column
> >
> > original:
> > >I have a 1968 F-250 w/4 speed floor shift and power steering.****I
> would
> > >erformed this swap?***Any information will be appreciated.
> >
> > >I have no answer, but a similar question - I have been thinking
> about a
> > >tilt-wheel column for my 69 F-100 2w power steering. Anybody done
> this one
> > >to share some pointers? I woul actually like the column a couple of
> inches
> > >shorter than the original to get a little more room in the cab, the
> current
> > >wheel position is a bit close for my arms.
> >
> > >Jim E.
> >
> > I have no answer either, but along the same train of thought I know
> I've
> > seen some old trucks in magazines with Cadilac steering columns
> (tilt, and
> > telescoping). Don't know how hard it is to install, but I would be
> willing
> > to try on my truck if anyone would like to donate one to me!!! One
> place
> > that might be worth the trouble of calling would be SoCal Pickups,
> their ad
> > says They will help you see what you see in it. They are in all the
> Truck
> > Mags.
> >
> >
> > Kenny Realph
> > 1966 F100 240I 1v
> > E-Mail: krealph hotmail.com
> >
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> >
> > Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 09:52:14 -0500
> > From: Ken Payne
> > Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 61-79-list split
> >
> > If you haven't voted on the 61-79 list split, today is the
> > last day to do so. If you think your vote doesn't count,
> > think again. One vote **can** make a difference. As of
> > 5 minutes ago:
> >
> > In favor of split: 70
> > Against: 71
> > Don't care: 11
> >
> > This is going to be a close one..... The voting center
> > is linked off the main page on the web site.
> >
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com/
> >
> > Ken Payne
> > Admin
> > (PS. Don't think about cheating on the vote. I'm going
> > to remove such votes.)
> >
> >
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 09:55:17 -0600
> > From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
> > Subject: FTE 61-79 - 390/410 Help
> >
> > The 410 piston's pin bore is .100 higher on the piston, and uses the
> > same rod length as the 390. These pistons should be available in cast,
> > forged might be a problem to find. The 410 is externally balanced, so
> > the flywheel and damper have to be weighted for this. Azie suggested
> > once that you can borrow someone else's 410 flexplate or flywheel and
> > have a 390 one balanced to the same spec. It sounds like a great idea,
> > and I suspect that a 410 damper is still available from Ford.
> >
> > - -> >Can't help you with most of this ... I also have a 360 and am
> > looking to
> > > >upgrade. I found a running one (burning oil though) for $150,
> and I'm
> > > >thinkin of building it to a 410 or 390, anyone help me out with
> what parts
> > > >I need for that ? They're all the same bore, and the local parts
> shop
> > > said
> > > >a 410 and 390 listed the same pistons ... true ? false ? anyone ?
> > >
> > >
> > > My understanding is that the 410 is a 390 with the 428
> crank/stroke. The
> > > bore should be the same, but the rods would be different. I'm
> sure that
> > > there's someone who knows more about this than I do, since this is
> where I
> > > got my information...
> > - -
> > Come on over to my Back Porch
> > http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.ldd.net/scribers/ballingr
> > Ballinger
> > ballingr ldd.net
> >
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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 21:00:18 -0500
From: Dayton Boyd
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Gears sticking

Where I went for body repair (this was in engine repair also), not only did
they fail, it was made right by either the orgional student, another, or
the instructor..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 11:23 PM 11/5/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Call the local Vo-Tech school. They have machine shop classes that usually
>look for small projects like this. That's where the shifter bushings in my
>Mustang came from. You usually pay for materials only, and if the student
>messes the part up he/she "fails" so the work is usually good. 8^)
>
>Ed
>
>
>
>At 01:16 AM 11/4/98 -0800, you wrote:
>>My sugestion is to find someone with a small lathe and some tough nylon.
>. . .
>>make all my own bushings and hard rubber bits, using a standard white
>>nylon.
>>
>
> Ed & Laura Mulligan mulligan fullnet.net
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> '92 5.0 LX "I love the sound of Flowmasters in the morning!"
> '98 Contour SE - Black/tinted - "Darth Vader Jr., your car is ready."
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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 21:02:01 -0500
From: Dayton Boyd
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - pinion seal

Ive put three in, the keep leaking..

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 03:30 PM 11/6/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Cannondale writes: >>Do they make a repair sleve that could go over it
>like for a dampaner? I guess that would fix it if there is such thing??
>:)
>
>Why not just put a new pinion seal in it - Remove the yoke and there it is.
>
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.
>
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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 21:31:41 -0500
From: Garry Bowling
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Help with Ibeam bushings needed

Has anyone out there ever tried changing the Bushings on the I-Beams on
your trucks? How hard is it? How do you get the I-Beam to slide of the
frame mount? Should I pay someone to do this? Help needed.
Garry Bowling
1967 F100 Longbed (christine)

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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 20:40:24 -0600
From: "Oscar Johnson"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Manuals for a '71 F100

I've got the 5-vol. Ford shop manuals for 1971; it should cover
differentials. Is there anything specific I can look up for you or would you
like me to dupe a few pages and send it snail mail?

O. T. Johnson otjohnson worldnet.att.net
71 F250 Ranger XLT Camper Spec 350 2V C5
Prattville, AL

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From: m frank
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Saturday, November 07, 1998 11:23 AM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Manuals for a '71 F100


>
>I've got a '71 F100 4x4, 4 Speed with a 390 out of a '72.
>When I bought it the engine was blown and the differentials didn't
>match. I got the engine taken care of but I am in need of a manual to
>guide me thru the differentials. I have a Chiltons, but there is not
>enough info to give me the confidence to open up the Dana 44.
>
>Any Suggestions?????
>
>The Teal Terror
>


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Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 22:06:34 -0500 (EST)
From: otjohnson worldnet.att.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Interesting item on eBay web site item#39320829: Ford Truck Shop Manual - 1979

I saw this item for sale at eBay, the world's largest personal trading community, and thought that one of you might be interested.

Title of item: Ford Truck Shop Manual - 1979
Seller: dianadee newnorth.net
Starts: 11/01/98 12:58:46 PST
Ends: 11/08/98 12:58:46 PST
Price: Currently $7.00
To bid the item, go to: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=39320829


Item Description:
This 1979 Truck Shop Manual provides information covering normal Engine and related systems service repairs and maintenance for 1979 Bronco, Econoline (E-100 through E-350), F-100 through F-350, and F-, B-, C-,L-600 through 9000 Series (except CL-9000) Ford Trucks manufactured in the U.S. and Canada. Front cover shows wear and back cover has been torn and scotchtaped together.

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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 21:51:35 -0500
From: j arnold
Subject: FTE 61-79 - gear ratios in 4x4

I have a question concerning gear ratios in my 4 wheel drive. If I put
3.50:1 in the back, and 4.11:1 in the front, will I be able to drive it in
4 wheel drive on the road?

Cooter
1978 F-150 4x4 460, NP435


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Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 22:52:22 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote

The vote for splitting the 61-79 list into two groups has expired.
The split won by 1 vote. However, this is too close (1%) for me
to justify splitting it up. If we can get 4-5% in a future vote,
I'll split the list. Personally I'm in favor of splitting it now,....

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