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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - NP435-NP540
Re: Re: FTE 61-79 - Newbie
FTE 61-79 - Broken Exhaust Manifold
FTE 61-79 - Duraspark problem?
FTE 61-79 - Look out for the flying module, someone's throwin parts again..
FTE 61-79 - Re - "Shunt" wire? Tech Artical.
FTE 61-79 - Calling Dr Grossman....Dr Grossman Needed in Surgery
FTE 61-79 - 360 throwing oil
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Give us your favorite web site addresses
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Rejected postings
RE: FTE 61-79 - where are casting numbers on 351C?
FTE 61-79 - Shunt Wire
FTE 61-79 - New from Norway.
FTE 61-79 - welders
Re: FTE 61-79 - Newbie
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re - "Shunt" wire? Tech Artical.
Re: FTE 61-79 - New from Norway.
RE: FTE 61-79 - where are casting numbers on 351C?
FTE 61-79 - Big Window
Re: FTE 61-79 - New from Norway.
Re: FTE 61-79 - Broken Exhaust Manifold
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway Bars
Re: FTE 61-79 - 430
Re: FTE 61-79 - where are casting numbers on 351C?
Re: FTE 61-79 - New from Norway.

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 08:22:22 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NP435-NP540

I couldn't honestly tell you from experience, but the exploded view
diagram looks like it uses the same case. I'd say that one difference
it would have to have is the imput shaft bearing hole. Other than that
is anyone's guess. Azie usually knows alot about tranny's, I'd bet he'd
know.

>
> Do they have the same case as the 435 or at least the same bell housing
> bolt
> pattern and tail shaft housing pattern?

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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:00:46 +0100
From: tommy.lovsund seinf.mail.abb.com
Subject: Re: Re: FTE 61-79 - Newbie

>Check out www.recycler.com Thats where I found everyauto I ever bought,
and
>they cover large areas of this country. You may have luck there.

Thanks, have it bookmarked now.

>Anybody know why the Chebby's are easy to find in Sweden?

Have my own theory, GM of Sweden has always been and still are very good at
promoting and
selling their own vehicles, unlike Ford of Sweden that has mostly pushed
for English and German
made cars and trucks.
When I tell people here that I'd like to buy a real truck, and it's been a
best seller for close to two
decades in US, they think I'm joking.

Later, Tommy



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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 11:00:12 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Broken Exhaust Manifold

Forwared for: "bertolin"
>
>> >I have a '65 with a 240, 6. The exhaust manifold is broken and I have
>> been unable to locate a replacement. Anyone have any ideas where I could
>get one?

When the exhaust manifold on my 1965 240 6 developed a huge crack, I was
able to locate several at local junkyards. It was a matter of finding one
that had the fewest hairline cracks in it. The dealer still carries them but
you will pay $$$ for it.
Good luck, Roberta



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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 17:16:43 +0100
From: tommy.lovsund seinf.mail.abb.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Duraspark problem?

>I have a 1978 F150 with a 351M. its an automatic and 4x4. I have had
problems
>with it quitting as I am going down the road. I rebuilt the carburater

Scott, before replacing the Duraspark module, try cleaning every connection
that
is ignition related. It worked for me, I had the same problem, hit a
pothole and
truck died, then it started right up and kept on going 'til next bump...
Tommy


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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 09:29:02 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L. Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Look out for the flying module, someone's throwin parts again..

Does it do it when it's warming up and smell like fuel under the hood
after it dies? If so, check the choke. It's been so long since I've run
a 2100 I can't remember exactly what the choke has on it. If it has a
vacuam pull off, check it and replace it if it's weak. It should hold
the blade open about 1/8 inch and hold it steady when pulled on with
vacuam. If you have a tube running from the exhaust manifold to the
choke make sure it's not broken anywhere, this is what makes the choke
operable. If you have a hose running to the air cleaner from the
exhaust manifold, make sure it's on and in good shape. It prevents carb
icing (it will die and can be immediately started back up) which will
happen as high as 45-50 degrees on a foggy morning. A bad choke pull
off will cause it to die every time it comes down to idle when the choke
is anywhere but wide open, and will run rich when the choke is open.

If it's only doing it hot, and you're sure the choke is OK, then the
ignition is probably where the trouble is. Check all of your grounds,
and also concentrate on the wires that feed your primary ignition. You
need to find a manual that tells you what color wire has what and when,
along with the power feed order of components. Hook up a good
multimeter and follow the path of the power as it runs to each part of
the system in it's specific order. If you are showing power going into
a component but none or not enough coming out, most of the time you've
found your culprit. Sometimes though, a parallell part of the system
can affect the voltage that's seen in a certain component. Like a good
coon-dog you have to circle around to make sure it isn't tapping the
tree on you, (moving to or feeding from another path and losing it's
signal) before you condemn the component.

It sure seems like if they hooked it up to a scope they would have been
able to find the trouble. If your diagnosis fails, find someone who can
read waveforms to hook it up and let it sit there and run until it does
it. That will tell you whether a component is bad or not. I've seen
folks throw $500 in parts at a problem and have it turn out to be a bad
ground or a loose plug causing it. $75 to a good diagnostician would
have saved some money. I know, there are a lot of lousy ones out there,
but find a good one and drink beer with him and offer to keep his tools
clean, be his best buddy and favorite P. Having someone who knows what
he's doing is real important when you have trouble with a computer
controlled vehicle, they can break you when you throw parts at them.


> I have a 1978 F150 with a 351M. its an automatic and 4x4. I have had
> problems
> with it quitting as I am going down the road. I rebuilt the carburater
> (2brl), replaced the fuel filter, and I had a local shop check it out.
> They
> adjusted the carb and did some computer diagnostics on it and said its in
> great shape and if it keeps quitting to try replacing the coil. i am going
> to
> replace the coil but I dont think thats the problem because it starts right
> back up. Ocassionally it takes a minute to get it started but usually
> fires
> up. the Distributer and plug wires are new. I think the fuel pump is new
> it
> looks brand new. If its not the coil? Should I replace the carb
> altogether?
> I have also been told about fords having dirty fuel tanks. i would
> appreciate
> any help. Its not very fun to have this thing dying. Occasionaly it revs
> right before it quits. thanks

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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:31:41 -0500
From: "Mr. Paul R. Boudreault"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re - "Shunt" wire? Tech Artical.


I have searched the archives to no avail about the "shunt wire" to get the
AMP
guage to work on my 1979 Bronco. I really would like to know what my
alternator is doing using the stock gauges. If possible.....could someone
do
a TECH article on it? Thanks In Advance!! Wayne Grabley


I believe "Tom Hogan" - List Member is talking about doing this. He
apparently has experience with exactly what you are talking about.

Tom? You out there?

Later,

"Paul"


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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:51:46 EST
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Calling Dr Grossman....Dr Grossman Needed in Surgery

Hey Don,

Good notes on the steering box conversion. I will be doing this soon to a 76
highboy, using the steering box from the 77-1/2 to 79 F-250 box. As you say,
it will take some custom fabrication. I have the box already, but it looks
like a tight fit. I saw where you were considering using the F-150 box (I'm
assuming here you were thinking the 4x4 box). I was looking at that myself,
but I don't think it will work because the output shaft turns the wrong way,
in other words, steering left would turn the wheels to the right because of
the difference in the tie rod setups between the F-150's and the
F-250's....maybe you can confirm this and let me know if you can figure out a
way around this....

Colorado Jeff


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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 10:57:10 -0600
From: "Martin Carter"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 360 throwing oil

I've got a '74 F100 with a 360 that throws oil from the distributor opening
while I am on the highway. I pulled the dist and replaced the seal, but it
still leaks. It seems to have "normal" oil pressure (high midrange cold
and midrange hot). It doesn't seem to be causing any problems othr than
making a mess. 1) Is this a real problem? 2)Any suggestions?
TIA
Marty Carter

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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 11:57:28 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Give us your favorite web site addresses

A link has been provided and may be found at:

http://www.ford-trucks.com/links/vehicle.html

Ken Payne
Ford Truck Enthusiasts


At 07:30 PM 10/20/98 -0700, you wrote:
>Thanks for your message at 09:59 PM 10/20/98 -0400, Ken Payne. Your message
>was:
>>FTE is planning to expand the links pages considerably.
>>Please send us (kpayne ford-trucks.com) your favorite
>>automotive and truck links or even your web site if
>>its auto or truck related. It does not have to be
>>Ford related because we have a section for non-Ford
>>sites.
>
>Levi's Cars & Trucks
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home.att.net/~dlpearson/levi.htm
>
>
>
>1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
>1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
>1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
> I shortened this to only FT's
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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 11:57:28 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Web site updates

Many new links have been added to the web site. Not
all the submitted links have been added yet. If you
did not receive an email stating that its been added,
then I haven't gotten to it yet.

Additionally, 36 trucks have been added to the pictorial,
bringing the total number of trucks featured to 282.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 11:57:28 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Rejected postings

Due to an error on my part when updating our list server
filters, our list server incorrectly rejected several
emails from users of Microsoft email products. If you
use Microsoft email software and you posting did not
show up, try again as it should work now.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com
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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 09:16:00 -0800
From: "pat green"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - where are casting numbers on 351C?

bill check this site out it has lots of good info about ford V-8's

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/

Pat

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Bill Adams
> Sent: Friday, October 30, 1998 8:13 PM
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - where are casting numbers on 351C?
>
>
> Just got the 351C pulled out of the old junker it was in, now I
> need to know where to look for casting
> numbers so I can more positively identify this engine.
>
> Didn't get a chance to actually hunt for them, got it out just
> before dark, took it to carwash for
> degreasing. Very dark when I got home.
>
> Didn't run over a single trick or treater either.
>
> Thanks
> Bill Adams
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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 11:35:49 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Shunt Wire

Wayne,

The original thread started in digest;

fordtrucks61-79-digest Tuesday, September 23 1997 Volume 01 : Number 237


Pay special attention to Tom Hogan's posts. He had the best description of
the location of the shunt wire. I just used a piece of #12 THHN wire
(approx. 10') crimped into the middle of the shunt and it has been working
good for a year now. The meter is a little bit too sensitive, I still plan
to reduce the length of the wire I added to reduce the resistance. With the
value of resistance that I have now the meter "twitches" noticeably as the
regulator cycles.

later,
dale c
'79 f-150


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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 18:41:37 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - New from Norway.

Hello list,

My name is Bill Brox, and I lives in Norway.

Been fond of the Ford trucks for a while, never owned one, but driven a
F-250HD 4x4 supercab once....
So that's my experience with American trucks... except a few trips in a
Ranchero '74

The reason for my subscription to this list is actually my membership of
Ford Galaxie Club of America and my interest in Galaxies. Needs some parts
for the Galaxie, and a few days ago I came to think that it might be an
idea to buy a truck, put the Galaxie parts in the bed, and have the truck
and parts shipped to Norway on a ro ro ship (ro ro = roll on roll off,
means you drive the truck onboard, and off at the destination).

Been looking at the Ford Truck site, and at all those nice pics. of pickup
trucks...
Everyone nice, but I have to admit, the fronts up to 1976 appealed to me.
Since I do not want a truck older than 30 year, I guess it narrows the
years a bit.
Those who have newer and older trucks must not think I dislike their
trucks, just that some likes the mother, and some likes the daughter, as we
put it in Norway.

Will be on this list to learn about the different trucks, and in the later
winter or early spring 1999 I hope to have made a choice.

Maybe some have good advices ?

Also, I have a direct question, what is a Unibody truck ?


So long, hope this will be a nice time.... Bill Brox






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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:35:53 -0600
From: jedolson juno.com (JOHN E DOLSON)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - welders

Soon I will be needing to do some welding on my 1976 f150, floor pans,
cab mounts, door post, bed floor.....ect. My question is, what type of
welder will I need? what amp rating? I own a 225 amp lincoln arc welder,
will this work? Any other advice you have that pertains to this type of
welding would be appreciated.

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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 13:33:19 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Newbie

In a message dated 11/1/98 11:02:26 AM EST, tommy.lovsund seinf.mail.abb.com
writes:

>

Louis Chevrolet was Swedish. The Chevy Bow-tie is actually the Swedish cross,
slightly modified. He wanted to show pride for his home, but at the same
time, wanted to be original. Hope I don't get blasted for non-ford content,
Just thought it was neat trivia.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 12:57:43 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re - "Shunt" wire? Tech Artical.

I'm back! :) didn't anyone notice I was gone? Never mind I don't
want to know.;] GTE decided to change their unlimited access to 100
hours and gave a month notice. :[ Well I took till the last day to
make-up my mind but I made it. My new email and Homepage address is in
my sig if anyone needs it. If you find a problem on my site, I'll be
grateful if you let me know, TIA.

>I have searched the archives to no avail about the "shunt wire" to get
the
>AMP guage to work on my 1979 Bronco.

I tried to understand how Tom and the others (Steve had a lot of
input too) did it back then and never could.

>I believe "Tom Hogan" - List Member is talking about doing this. He
>apparently has experience with exactly what you are talking about.

I remember it wasn't done without risk of burning up the wires under
the dash. I think Tom wants to be sure a tech tip on it is fool proof
before submitting it. I wonder if that's why Ford didn't hook it up in
the first place. ", I have also heard that when they worked people
didn't know how to read them and brought vehicles in for service
thinking something was wrong. Ford also did a fix on oil pressure
gauges. They never went below 5 psi. unless it had no pressure at all.
It cut cost on what they considered needless service visits. Then they
could pass those savings down to us. ;]

Later!

Deacon
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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:18:19 -0800 (PST)
From: Donald Mason
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New from Norway.

Donny Mason
How'dy list
Im Donny Mason from TEXAS MR.Bill Brox I think a unibody truck is a
truck with the body and the bed in one solid peace. If any of y'all
know any thing about fixing a power stiring leak on a '77 F100 and
some advise on rebildin a 351C
"Donny Mason"


- ---Bill Brox wrote:
>
> Hello list,
>
> My name is Bill Brox, and I lives in Norway.
>
> Been fond of the Ford trucks for a while, never owned one, but
driven a
> F-250HD 4x4 supercab once....
> So that's my experience with American trucks... except a few trips
in a
> Ranchero '74
>
> The reason for my subscription to this list is actually my
membership of
> Ford Galaxie Club of America and my interest in Galaxies. Needs some
parts
> for the Galaxie, and a few days ago I came to think that it might be
an
> idea to buy a truck, put the Galaxie parts in the bed, and have the
truck
> and parts shipped to Norway on a ro ro ship (ro ro = roll on roll off,
> means you drive the truck onboard, and off at the destination).
>
> Been looking at the Ford Truck site, and at all those nice pics. of
pickup
> trucks...
> Everyone nice, but I have to admit, the fronts up to 1976 appealed
to me.
> Since I do not want a truck older than 30 year, I guess it narrows the
> years a bit.
> Those who have newer and older trucks must not think I dislike their
> trucks, just that some likes the mother, and some likes the
daughter, as we
> put it in Norway.
>
> Will be on this list to learn about the different trucks, and in the
later
> winter or early spring 1999 I hope to have made a choice.
>
> Maybe some have good advices ?
>
> Also, I have a direct question, what is a Unibody truck ?
>
>
> So long, hope this will be a nice time.... Bill Brox
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 14:37:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Donald Mason
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - where are casting numbers on 351C?

Hay Bill my fathter and I pulled a 351C out of my '77 F100. The
casting numbers are on the bottom of the block of the engine there
hidden from vew. Don't ask me why I don't know if y'all have a F
series truck from befor '66 if so where and how much?
Donny


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>
> bill check this site out it has lots of good info about ford V-8's
>
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/
>
> Pat
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> > [mailto:owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com]On Behalf Of Bill Adams
> > Sent: Friday, October 30, 1998 8:13 PM
> > To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> > Subject: FTE 61-79 - where are casting numbers on 351C?
> >
> >
> > Just got the 351C pulled out of the old junker it was in, now I
> > need to know where to look for casting
> > numbers so I can more positively identify this engine.
> >
> > Didn't get a chance to actually hunt for them, got it out just
> > before dark, took it to carwash for
> > degreasing. Very dark when I got home.
> >
> > Didn't run over a single trick or treater either.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Bill Adams
> >
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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 14:37:33 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Big Window

"The big back window really wraps around like a rear windshield."

Their is a Mercury M-100 Unibody on page 83? of the new Classic Truckin'
magazine.It shows the big back window perfectly.
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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 16:53:46 -0800
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New from Norway.

>My name is Bill Brox, and I live in Norway.

Well if it isn't my old friend Bill Brox in Norway! How have you
been? It's a small web we live in. :) Bill got me to do one of those
live chats one time, last time. :)

>The reason for my subscription to this list is actually my membership
of
>Ford Galaxie Club of America and my interest in Galaxies. Needs some
parts
>for the Galaxie

I forgot all about your Galaxie,,, I meant it's been a long time
since I've talked to you about your Galaxie. Ya, that's what I meant to
say. :]

>Everyone nice, but I have to admit, the fronts up to 1976 appealed to
me.
>Since I do not want a truck older than 30 year, I guess it narrows the
>years a bit.

I have a '73 F100 and a '76 F350 that I'm fond of.

>Those who have newer and older trucks must not think I dislike their
>trucks, just that some likes the mother, and some likes the daughter,
as we
>put it in Norway.

And some like them both as we say in,,, someplace I'm sure. ;]

>Will be on this list to learn about the different trucks, and in the
later
>winter or early spring 1999 I hope to have made a choice.

You'll get plenty of info here my friend! How's that trans holding up in
your van?

>So long, hope this will be a nice time.... Bill Brox

You'll enjoy this group Bill. There isn't a "my way is the only way"
type of people as on other list. Good people and great help.

Take care.

Deacon
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Date: Sun, 01 Nov 1998 20:51:07 -0600
From: Floyd Terrell
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Broken Exhaust Manifold

Ken Payne wrote:

> Forwared for: "bertolin"
> >
> >> >I have a '65 with a 240, 6. The exhaust manifold is broken and I have
> >> been unable to locate a replacement. Anyone have any ideas where I could
> >get one?
>
> When the exhaust manifold on my 1965 240 6 developed a huge crack, I was
> able to locate several at local junkyards. It was a matter of finding one
> that had the fewest hairline cracks in it. The dealer still carries them but
> you will pay $$$ for it.
> Good luck, Roberta

How do I go about finding hairline cracks???

Floyd


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Date: Sun, 1 Nov 1998 23:53:14 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway Bars

i took the bars off of a pulling truck, its been so long ago i can't remember
how they were hooked up, but i have all the hardware.
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 00:06:43 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 430

this sounds like the ultra rare mustang i thought i had found, it was a 69 gt
coupe with a "R" engine code which made it super rare anyway. i thought it may
have been some kind of ford experimental car, i didn't recognize the engine,
it had exhaust ports like a fe. anyway i had an old ford racer to take a look
at it, and he said it was a 462 lincoln engine, it was the first and last one
of those i saw.

jeff grant
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Date: Mon, 2 Nov 1998 00:16:24 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - where are casting numbers on 351C?

the block numbers are above the starter, near the pan
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Date: Tue, 3 Nov 1998 06:31:15 +0100
From: "Bill Brox"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - New from Norway.

Hello Deacon,

So true, web is not such a big place. Nice seeing you again.
I am fine, has been hanging around in "Galaxie" world for a while.... nice
people over there too.....


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