61-79-list-digest Saturday, October 31 1998 Volume 02 : Number 505



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Proportioning valve, update
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear brake cable
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine rebuild Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - Broken Exhaust Manifold
Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake Questions
Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 Clicking
FTE 61-79 - Unable to turn engine.
FTE 61-79 - Studs on Ex manifold.
FTE 61-79 - Rod/main caps
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tips for reinstalling shift lever?
FTE 61-79 - Unibody big window
FTE 61-79 - Clicking
Re: FTE 61-79 - Quick help!?!?!?! 430
FTE 61-79 - '69 toolbox retrofit
FTE 61-79 - 430
Re: FTE 61-79 - Broken Exhaust Manifold
Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 Clicking
Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 Clicking
Re: FTE 61-79 - Tips for reinstalling shift lever?
Re: FTE 61-79 - '69 toolbox retrofit
Re: FTE 61-79 - Quick help!?!?!?! 430
FTE 61-79 - Re: truck body swap
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New offroad truck list
FTE 61-79 - big rear windows / high compression
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: truck body swap
FTE 61-79 - Bedliners????67-72???
FTE 61-79 - NP435
FTE 61-79 - Exhaust Studs vs bolts
FTE 61-79 - Re: Bedliners????67-72???
FTE 61-79 - Re: NP435
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear brake cable
Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake Questions
FTE 61-79 - Wiring Diagram for '61
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear brake cable
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear brake cable
FTE 61-79 - FT Production by Year Info?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear brake cable
Re: FTE 61-79 - FT Production by Year Info?
FTE 61-79 - transfer
FTE 61-79 - Re: FT Production by Year Info?
FTE 61-79 - 240 and 300 questions
FTE 61-79 - Re: Voting topic on FSJ site
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: NP435
FTE 61-79 - NP 435
FTE 61-79 - Newbie

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 06:13:51 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Proportioning valve, update

Ok I was close but no cigar :-( Mine looked like it was trash so I pulled and
pulled and pulled and got the kanootin valve out and of course parts went
flying all over the barn. I think I found them all so here goes:

It is a disk valve BUT........the inlets to the wheels are above the disk not
under it like I thought. Pedal pressure pushes the disk off it's seat and allows
fluid to the wheels and takes about 50# of pressure to do it.

The residual part is more complicated.......the disk has a recess on the
bottom which has a rubber gasket or washer in it to seal a bunch of holes like
in a bathroom faucet defuser. The rubber covers the whole thing but the
hole in the bottom of the cylinder only covers half of each hole in the disk so
part of it is open to the MC inlet. Apparently what restricts the return is the
pressure of the rubber against the holes and the bottom of the cylinder and
the stiffness of the rubber resists being pushed away easily. There is also a
little brass cup with a spring pushing it against the rubber from the bottom to
completely close off the openings from the bottom when pressure is applied
which force the whole assy up to access the wheel inlets.

Anyway, it looks like it might take considerable pressure to overcome the
return kanootin, maybe 100-200# and the chamber the two wheel inlets are in
does not separate them like I thought so a second axle hose would be
useless. Hope no one ordered one yet :-(

Now that I've taken it appart it may not work and I think my switch detent
thingy is frozen solid in there anyway but the valving may work, not sure.
I'm going to try it anyway and see what happens. Sure am dissapointed
about the separate wheel thing though, darn :-( I wonder what would happen
if I used two propor.......................:-)


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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:28:53 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear brake cable

Date sent: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:28:13 -0500
From: Ray J
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear brake cable

> I have 1968 F100 with broken left rear parking brake cable. This the
> short cable from the yoke on the main cable that is broken.
>
> All contacts where I am tell me there is no replacement. Does anyone out
> there have a source for this part? Or know where to get the splicing kit
> that I'm told can be used.

Have you called NAPA? They had one for my 78 :-)

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:37:42 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine rebuild Question

From: SHill48337 aol.com
Date sent: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:04:50 EST
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine rebuild Question

> installed the rod caps 180 degrees out. The tangs on the bearing inserts
> in cap and the rod must be on the same side.

The rods and caps should be numbered and the numbers are on the same
side so you match both the numbers and the sides to get them back on right.
This is critical. My son just re-did his re-do because the last guy didn't know
this and he (my son) did the right thing, having no knowledge, by keeping
them all in order and putting them back where he found them. Unfortunately
that wasn't where they were supposed to be due to the stupidity of the
previous owner :-(


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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:40:35 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Broken Exhaust Manifold

Date sent: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:42:12 -0600
From: Floyd Terrell
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Broken Exhaust Manifold

> I have a '65 with a 240, 6. The exhaust manifold is broken and I have
> been unable to locate a replacement.

If you know a good welder you can have them welded or brazed. I once
brazed a 460 manifold that was broken into several pieces and it lasted till I
put header on. It has to be done right though, brazing is not as easy as some
people think and welding cheap manifold cast is a real challenge for even the
best welders.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:44:05 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake Questions

From: "Brad Jones"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake Questions
Date sent: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:42:48 -0500

> '68 3/4 ton 4wd drive and suspension. What is the proper diameter for
> Brake lines (hard)?

Take one out of the rear wheel cylinder and compare the fitting or bushing
that is on it. This will tell you what size to get. I expect it will be 3/16"
which is pretty standard and has been for some time. The larger the line the
less pressure it will stand without bursting and the more "flex" it will have
under pressure so smaller is always better if you can find proper bushings to
fit your cylinders.

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:47:49 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 Clicking

From: "WILLIAM WHITED"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 Clicking
Date sent: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:05:39 PST

> My cables are good, I retightened everything up just to make sure I
> thought the same thing also. Any other ideas? this thinking it is one
> thing and having to wait a week for a part is killing me. Any information
> is appreicated.

My son just went through this and he had a bad starter AND a bad battery.
Autoparts store was really having a ball with him till he called me and I told
him he had to do a little trouble shooting before he went out and bought a
whole new truck one part at a time :-)

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:42:45 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Unable to turn engine.

Mathew Schwartz!! Did you turn the engine during assy??? It should turn,
but with more force required after the installiation of each
piston/ring/rod assy. Don't be afraid to put the pressure on it to turn
it. If you oiled each piston/ring assy good and the piston slid down the
cylinder fairly firmly, then you probably did it correctly. If you have
let it set for a while, it will have a tendancy to be extremely hard to
start turning, but once it 'breaks loose', it will then turn with a normal
amount of resistance. If you were by chance to have gotten a rod bearing
undersized for your application, you could have siezed it, but this is
highly unlikely.

Good luck.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:01:15 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Studs on Ex manifold.

Someone writes (Yep!!! I forgot who already): >> I know no one ever
intends to keep pulling their manifolds a bunch of times, but....... What
if you replaced the bolts with studs, then put on nuts and lock washers?
The penetrating oil could get to the nut real well > no matter how long it
had been there. Just a thought

Removal "in vehicle" would require more clearance - side to side(gotta
clear those studs). I don't think most of the vehicles I work on have the
necessary clearance for this. If the head is going to be removed (with
maniflods on), then yes I think this would be OK. Otherwise - I'm doubtful
for previously mentioned reason.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:10:01 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rod/main caps

Mat Schwartz writes: >>Am I correct in assuming that cap orientation
should be that the cap bearing notch should be on the same side of the
connecting rod bearing notch?

Yep!!! Correct assumption. This also puts the #'s on the same side, and
the #'s are always installed toward the 'outside' of the engine.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:10:25 -0500 (EST)
From: "Sean O'Malley"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tips for reinstalling shift lever?

> WAY NOT COOL! I see why the Np435 has so many admirers. The one I

Dumb question, perhaps, but what is the NP435 vs the T18? I know they
are both manual transmissions :). Is the former just an updated version
of the 4speed truck-trans, or is it a whole different animal?

- --sean
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:14:36 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Unibody big window

>>I'm just kinda wondering how to tell a _big window_ from a _little
>>Window_?
>The big window is bigger than the small window.
>
>Oh yeah, I guess you knew that and I'm just a smart a** (keepin' it
clean!).
>
>The big back window really wraps around like a rear windshield. It really
>helps vision when pulling into traffic.
>I've had people ask me if I put that window in myself. Nope. Mr. Ford
did.
>
Also, the big window has a chrome strip about 2-3 inches wide running
across the truck and it sits right down on the top of the bed. The strip
has alternating black and chrome stripes on it (horizontally) and looks
very similar to the lower body chrome on 67-72 trucks. If you ever see a
big window Unibody you will know it.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:27:04 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Clicking

William Whitehead writes: >> I replaced the starter and the I was getting
the clicking from the selenoid now that I have replaced that I still get
the clicking. Could it be a low charge on the battery?

Yep!! Low voltage to the solenoid. Could be dead battery - corroded
connections - bad ground or some other things, but it is most likely as you
suspect - low voltage to the solenoid. If you have access to another
vehicle that runs, try jumper cables. The battery is the most suspectable
of these, but any of the above mentioned things could cause the symptoms
you describe.

Good luck.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:37:10 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Quick help!?!?!?! 430

>I just heard word of mouth about a 430.
>
>It is in some kind of 66 car, not sure what kind, in a small local wrecking
>yard which I will check out in the morning.
>
>What should I look for? Is this engine rare? Is it worth looking at? What
>is the potential? What would it be good for?
>

This should be a Lincoln motor, maybe Merc, but probably Lincoln. Lots o
torque (something like 480 ft-lb rated) Good for ? well lots of stuff,
but I have no idea how it mounts or anything, that's something you'd have
to look at. If I were trying to get it, I'd be sure and get the motor
mounts and bell housing at least with it.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:54:39 -0600
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '69 toolbox retrofit

I have acquired a '68 Ranger parts truck and it has a nice example of the
Ford built-in bed mounted toolbox (the one on the passenger side). Unlike
the earlier type used '65-'66, this one is formed into the bed panel.
However, the rest of the bed is pretty rough. Has anyone tried to graft
one of these onto a truck that doesn't have one? How hard of job is this?
Can it be done nicely or will it look like what it is - a retrofit? This
toolbox is very nice and has the needed chrome on it even. I hate to waste
it. Thoughts?
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:01:31 -0500
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 430

Don Grossman writes: >>I just heard word of mouth about a 430.

Be very leary of the 430. Of all the things that FOMOCO should or should
not have done is produced the 430.(also available in the Mercury as a 383).
This engine was a piece of lead that had no potential at all. Heads are
flat (a la diesels). Combustion chamber was in the cyl. (piston did not
come to the top of deck). Only made a couple of years or so.(late fifties
- - early sixties) I would think it would be a very rare engine, but by the
same token I wouldn't want one. (most found the junk pile early in life).
No aftermarket support whatsoever, and I doubt that FOMOCO has anything
left for it.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:08:13 -0600
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Broken Exhaust Manifold

Floyd

Depending where and how its broken you might take it to a machine shop and

have it welded. Just a thought.




At 06:42 PM 10/29/98 -0600, you wrote:
>I have a '65 with a 240, 6. The exhaust manifold is broken and I have
been unable to
>locate a replacement.
>
>Anyone have any ideas where I could get one?
>
>I also need the nylon gear that goes between the dash and the dial on the
radio.
>
>Floyd
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:27:49 -0600
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 Clicking

William

Fords are really bad about ground. I had new cable, a new starter and

nothing. Had a shop check it out and said grounding problem. ???????.

He simple put a wire from the ground post of the battery to one of
the bolts holding the selenoid to the fender an wala no more problem.

Maybe.







At 07:05 PM 10/29/98 PST, you wrote:
>My cables are good, I retightened everything up just to make sure I
>thought the same thing also. Any other ideas? this thinking it is one
>thing and having to wait a week for a part is killing me. Any
>information is appreicated.
>
>
>----Original Message Follows----
>From: "sam weatherby"
>To:
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 Clicking
>Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:22:47 -0800
>Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>
>What kind of condition are your battery cables in?
> -srw
>-----Original Message-----
>From: WILLIAM WHITED
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302 Clicking
>
>
>>I have a 79 F150 with a 302, AT that had a bad starter that had ground
>>down it's gear. It would turn over and you could hear in grinding. I
>>replaced the starter and the I was getting the clicking from the
>>selenoid now that I have replaced that I still get the clicking. Could
>>it be a low charge on the battery? Or whatelse can it be? This is
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:55:34 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 Clicking

>Fords are really bad about ground. I had new cable, a new starter and
>
>nothing. Had a shop check it out and said grounding problem. ???????.
>
>He simple put a wire from the ground post of the battery to one of
>the bolts holding the selenoid to the fender an wala no more problem.
>

This reminds me of what my dad and I were told a few years ago, it was
about Corvette's but seems to apply to all older cars ... if you're having
an electrical problem, 90% of the time its grounding. If you look its
amazing how many cars have grounding problems ... its real easy to pick out
in the taillights, if they put their brakes on and one of the lights goes
out or comes on, then most likely they're not grounded right.

Hope this helps someone sometime.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 00:06:30 -0800
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Tips for reinstalling shift lever?

Sean O'Malley wrote:
>
> > WAY NOT COOL! I see why the Np435 has so many admirers. The one I
>
> Dumb question, perhaps, but what is the NP435 vs the T18? I know they
> are both manual transmissions :). Is the former just an updated version
> of the 4speed truck-trans, or is it a whole different animal?
>

They are very close and interchangable. In Bronco's, at least, the
NP435 was used in 78 with the T-18 used in 79. NP was made by New
Process and T-18 was made by Borg Warner. NP435 has 6.68 first gear
while T-18 has 6.32. I'm not sure what the rest of the gear ratios were
and if anyone knows please tell me. T-19 was also made and is identical
to T-18, except T-19 has first gear synchronized.

OX
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:51:20 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '69 toolbox retrofit

Thanks for your message at 08:54 AM 10/30/98 -0600, John Strauss. Your
message was:
>I have acquired a '68 Ranger parts truck and it has a nice example of the
>Ford built-in bed mounted toolbox (the one on the passenger side). Unlike
>the earlier type used '65-'66, this one is formed into the bed panel.
>However, the rest of the bed is pretty rough. Has anyone tried to graft
>one of these onto a truck that doesn't have one? How hard of job is this?
>Can it be done nicely or will it look like what it is - a retrofit? This
>toolbox is very nice and has the needed chrome on it even. I hate to waste
>it. Thoughts?

I can't answer your question, but your email caught my attention. The '66
I just got has the tool box (small) formed into the bed panel, way down
low--I can't remember sitting here if it's driver's side or not...Is this
an unusual option for '66?
1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:23:44 -0800
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Quick help!?!?!?! 430

>I just heard word of mouth about a 430.
>
>It is in some kind of 66 car, not sure what kind, in a small local wrecking
>yard which I will check out in the morning.

It's probably in a Lincoln... The 430 was one of the MEL series
engines. It also came in a smaller size 380something, and I believe a
larger one that was like 462. They're big, heavy, old, not a lot of HP,
but got real big torque. The cylinder heads are machined flat (no combustion
chamber) and the block is cut off at a funky angle to put the combustion
chamber in the top of the cylinder. Not a very common engine and I'll bet
parts are hard to find and aftermarket stuff is non-existant.

>What should I look for?

Something else. A 429/460 or an FE would be an infinitely better choice.

> Is this engine rare?

Hopefully.

>Is it worth looking at?

Sure. It'd be fun to look at, you may never see another. Just don't buy it.

> What
>is the potential?

Dropped from what height?

> What would it be good for?

Ballast.



Steve
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:38:36 -0600
From: Rick Sullivan
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: truck body swap

>I own a 1978 f150 supercab 4x4. The body and bed are trash,
>i want to find out if i can mount the body and bed off of a
>1980 or later f150 supercab on my frame. Any info would be
> helpful.
>Thanx
>Derek

The '80 F-Series had the same bed dimensions and wheelbase as
the 73-79 trucks, but were three inches shorter in overall
length and two inches narrower as well as having a shortened
frame according to "Ford F100/F150 Pickup" by Robert
Ackerson. Doesn't sound real promising.
Rick
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:52:28 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: New offroad truck list

You asked for it, you got. The vote to add a off-road Ford
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:20:59 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - big rear windows / high compression

BTW ASFAIK the small back windows were no more beginning in 68. IOTW 67 was
the last year. Again, you can thank the Feds. Part of the safety and
pollution legislation also did away with the small rear windows because
supposedly it limited rear vision and was more dangerous. Again, this was
for all brands; don't blame Mr. Ford.

I believe that January 1, 1971, was the actual compliance date for burning
low lead fuel. There may very well be some 71 models manufactured in late
1970 that still required leaded fuel. Most 71 models began compliance when
they were introduced.

- -John

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:24:37 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: truck body swap

>The '80 F-Series had the same bed dimensions and wheelbase as
>the 73-79 trucks, but were three inches shorter in overall
>length and two inches narrower as well as having a shortened
>frame according to "Ford F100/F150 Pickup" by Robert
>Ackerson. Doesn't sound real promising.

Mm, seems like I've seen an awful lot of those newer beds on the older
trucks for it to really be that big of a problem ... though with a bed I
suppose you can just drill new holes. ....

Just a thought.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:30:07 -0500
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bedliners????67-72???

List,
Can I bed liner from say a 78-79 F-150 be used in a 67-72 F-100?????

Theres a place here in PA with Factory Ford Bedliners for $80
but it says the years 78 and up....So did the width change???The length
stayed the same at 8ft....
Anybody?
Joe
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:33:26 -0800
From: Eric Donaldson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NP435

The NP435 in my '66 Merc 250 has ratios of 6.68,3.34,1.79, and 1. We've
all heard the 4 speeds with a super low first gear described as having a
"bull" low or "granny" gear. Recently I heard an NP 435 described as
having a "double" low. I didn't understand until I looked closely at the
ratios; first is exactly double the reduction of second. I think the T18
has this as well, although the T19 and the modern 5 speeds do not. Is
this feature just an arithmetical coincidence? Also,the '71 Chilton's
says the 435 is a 5 speed with second gear removed. Can I easily add a
gear to the 4 speed? Any experts out there?

Eric
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:55:45 -0500
From: "Mr. Paul R. Boudreault"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust Studs vs bolts


The idea of studs is a good one until you discover there is not enough room
under your hood to pull the manifolds off over them. Some trucks may have
more room than others but when I got this idea several years ago I
discovered
I could not get the manifolds back on.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F250 4x4


Won't be a problem for me as I am putting a Fiberglass Flip up front end on
my 79 Bronco. ;>) No more rust. (Probably a whole slew of other problems,
but it will be a change.)

Later,

"Paul"


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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:44:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Bedliners????67-72???

Joe asked:

> List,
> Can I bed liner from say a 78-79 F-150 be used in a 67-72 F-100?????
>
> Theres a place here in PA with Factory Ford Bedliners for $80

Maybe, but the floor of the later series has a nice radius on all the
corners where the fender wells and the bed are joined - probably one
big stamping? On my '70, the wells are separate stampings, with
tight right angle seams between them and the floor. As I recall, the
double wall on the later series also continues up to the bed rails,
the earlier trucks have a box section about half way up.

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 14:52:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: NP435

Eric wrote:

> Also,the '71 Chilton's
> says the 435 is a 5 speed with second gear removed. Can I easily add a
> gear to the 4 speed? Any experts out there?
>

I remember reading this in my Chilton's, and asking here about it a
while back. Maybe Gary or Ox can ask this for us over on the big
bronco list. I also thought about poking around in an auto parts book
to see if I can find any common parts, sigh, I no longer no any
counter people well enough to ask. All I get is stares like I'm an
alien or something when I ask questions like this at my local parts
house. . .

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:28:05 EST
From: OldTrux aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear brake cable

In a message dated 10/29/98 9:33:19 PM Central Standard Time,
rayjoss erols.com writes:

> I have 1968 F100 with broken left rear parking brake cable.
When I need cables for my 66, I looked at my 91 and figured they should work
and they did!
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:32:58 EST
From: OldTrux aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Brake Questions

In a message dated 10/29/98 10:39:54 PM Central Standard Time, bjones snip.net
writes:

> My emergency brake cables are all frozen and/or destroyed...
> The parts store I usually go to said all his books stop at '68
> Where can I get Cables?
My '66 needed cables so I looked at my '91 and said why not? They fit right in
and work like a charm!
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:39:35 -0800
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wiring Diagram for '61

Hello, it is now time to get the old truck finally rolling. I would
like to know where I can find a schematic.

Birken
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:22:08 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear brake cable

OldTrux wrote:
>
> > I have 1968 F100 with broken left rear parking brake cable.
> When I need cables for my 66, I looked at my 91 and figured they should work
> and they did!

So, what do you do when you park your '91 now?

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California sorry guys, I couldn't resist :-)

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:29:15 EST
From: WSteinbroo aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear brake cable

At least someone got luckey
Do you know of and on line location to take a look at wiring diagrams for 72
F100.
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:30:17 -0800
From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FT Production by Year Info?

Where would I find information on how
many Ford trucks were made for each year?
Even better would be info on the quantity of
each model for each year.

cc Pmail response as I'm on digest and dont' want
to wait until Monday! I'm impatient, and someone
challenged me on the 'zillions of Ford trucks'
comment I made on another email list.

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:38:56 EST
From: WSteinbroo aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Rear brake cable

In a message dated 10/30/98 7:36:13 PM EST, WSteinbroo aol.com writes:

>
Thanks
Bill
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:41:49 -0800
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FT Production by Year Info?

I don't think the made zillions...
:) Millions fo rsure though.
- -----Original Message-----
From: CARVER, JEFFREY D
To: 'Truck'
Date: Friday, October 30, 1998 4:38 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FT Production by Year Info?


>Where would I find information on how
>many Ford trucks were made for each year?
>Even better would be info on the quantity of
>each model for each year.
>
>cc Pmail response as I'm on digest and dont' want
>to wait until Monday! I'm impatient, and someone
>challenged me on the 'zillions of Ford trucks'
>comment I made on another email list.
>
>Jeff
>'64 F100 CrewCab
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:46:10 -0800
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - transfer

The big day is finally here. I am cleaning out my office right now so I can
transfer from California to Maine. It's been fun here but I've had enough
so I'll leave a little more space here for the rest of you in CA. The
transfer is within my company and seems like it will be a good position for
me. I'll be driving my truck (76 F-150 Supercab with retrofitted factory
cruise control) with the family (wife and two kids) from here to Maine. I
have two weeks to get there. Should get a lot of memories from the trip.
And I'll be spending a lot of time in my truck ;0) (my wife claims it's my
first love, I insist that it is a distant second -- well maybe not so
distant ;0) ). I'll be unsubscribing till I can get settled there.

Good luck to everyone on the list and I'll see you when I get where I'm
going.

Tom H.
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 17:11:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: FT Production by Year Info?

Jeff asked:

> Where would I find information on how
> many Ford trucks were made for each year?
> Even better would be info on the quantity of
> each model for each year.

Jeff, go to your local library reference section and look for a
copy of "American Standard Truck Catalog" or something similar.
They list production figures, as they were available, from the
manufacturers, for the last 70 years or so. The catalog in my
local (Main branch, Sonoma county library) listed trucks by
model (F100,150,etc), and even bed type as I recall.

> Jeff
> '64 F100 CrewCab

I was looking for Crew cab production figures (mine is a '70),
unfortunately these breakouts were not given:-(.

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:35:52 EST
From: Dugnla aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 240 and 300 questions

anybody know if parts from a 240 and 300 are interchangable? Anybody know a
good way to tell the difference between the two just by looking at the engine?
Are the manifolds interchangable?

thanks,
doug
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 19:54:37 -0600
From: Albert Evitts
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Voting topic on FSJ site

Steve_Rosewarne wink.com wrote:
>
> Ditto for the NRA.
>
> Steve

While I am sure I wont change your mind about anything, try this;
The BLM can and does close roads at their discretion without any
specific piece of legislation pending. Sam Adams, Al Hamilton and a
host of others we were taught as the fathers of the revolution were
called "Militia Crap" also. Take a look at www.foe.org/trails for
some real insight as to what the real greenies are after. Opinions be
damned, just vote on Tuesday. Also Steve if you have a couple hours
spare time go sit on a Wal-Mart bench or other comparable store and
watch the people as they come and go They all can vote just like you if
that don't get you out to vote and bring your friends nothing will.

Al
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:07:07 -0500
From: luxjo thecore.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: NP435

Pat Brown wrote:
>
> Eric wrote:
>
> > Also,the '71 Chilton's
> > says the 435 is a 5 speed with second gear removed. Can I easily add a
> > gear to the 4 speed? Any experts out there?
> >
>

I don't know where you are gonna put it. Does not seem like there is
extra space for another gear. Don't most 5 spds have 5th gear outside
the main case anyway. What 5 speed box are we talking about that had 2nd
gear removed to become the NP435?

OX




> I remember reading this in my Chilton's, and asking here about it a
> while back. Maybe Gary or Ox can ask this for us over on the big
> bronco list. I also thought about poking around in an auto parts book
> to see if I can find any common parts, sigh, I no longer no any
> counter people well enough to ask. All I get is stares like I'm an
> alien or something when I ask questions like this at my local parts
> house. . .
>
> Pat Brown
> Sebastopol, California
>
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:58:41 -0800
From: Eric Donaldson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - NP 435

Hi:

What OX says makes sense, but Chilton's said re NP 433,435,540,541
Series 4 speed and 5 speed:
"NOTE: the transmissions, although both 4 speed and 5 speed, are
basically the same in construction. The 4 speed transmission is actually
a 5 speed with the second speed gear and second speed synchronizer inner
ring removed from the mainshaft and replaced by a spacer."
However, this is not shown in the drawing, and no drawing of the
rumoured 5 speed is shown for comparison. I have yet to see the inside
of mine, so I don't have much to add.
What do you think?

Eric.
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Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 11:38:53 +0100
From: tommy.lovsund seinf.mail.abb.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Newbie

It's about time I introduce myself, have been lurking for awhile now...
Well, I'm a wannabe Ford truck owner, and I signed up in order to learn as
much as
possible before I go looking for my dream truck, and I must say it's been
most
enlightning reading all your postings.

I have a pretty clear picture of what I'm searching for, unfortunately Ford
trucks are very
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