61-79-list-digest Friday, October 30 1998 Volume 02 : Number 504



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine rebuild Question
FTE 61-79 - Broken Exhaust Manifold
FTE 61-79 - Quick help!?!?!?! 430
Subject: FTE 61-79 - exhaust bolts
FTE 61-79 - Crazy 'bout a Mercury Song
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: nomex/Uniboby Big Window?
Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Exhaust manifold removal
FTE 61-79 - 240/300 six vs. 170/200
FTE 61-79 - Re: Exhaust Manifold Removal on FE
FTE 61-79 - C6 W/AOD
Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine rebuild Question
Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 Clicking
Re: FTE 61-79 - exhaust bolts
FTE 61-79 - Rear brake cable
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: SoCal Pickups
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Volunteers, an invitation......
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: My deepest thanks
FTE 61-79 - Brake Questions
Re: FTE 61-79 - 240/300 six vs. 170/200
Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 W/AOD
FTE 61-79 - '83 CFI
FTE 61-79 - Funnies

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:34:54 -0600
From: "kingster"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine rebuild Question

how much did it cost for that engine kit and what compression did you order?

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:42:12 -0600
From: Floyd Terrell
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Broken Exhaust Manifold

I have a '65 with a 240, 6. The exhaust manifold is broken and I have been unable to
locate a replacement.

Anyone have any ideas where I could get one?

I also need the nylon gear that goes between the dash and the dial on the radio.

Floyd

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:40:08 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Quick help!?!?!?! 430

I just heard word of mouth about a 430.

It is in some kind of 66 car, not sure what kind, in a small local wrecking
yard which I will check out in the morning.

What should I look for? Is this engine rare? Is it worth looking at? What
is the potential? What would it be good for?

I know absolutely nothing about this motor. Please fill me in

thanks

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ICQ# 19575234

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:29:03 -0500
From: "Mr. Paul R. Boudreault"
Subject: Subject: FTE 61-79 - exhaust bolts


I know no one ever intends to keep pulling their manifolds a bunch of
times, but....... What if you replaced the bolts with studs, then put on
nuts and lock washers? The penetrating oil could get to the nut real well
no matter how long it had been there. Just a thought.

- - -John


Sounds real good to me! Not to sound like and idiot, (again?) How long
should these be, and has anyone else tried this? Does it work well?

Later,
"Paul"




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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:30:22 -0800
From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Crazy 'bout a Mercury Song

Loads of places to find the lyrics on the 'net if
you want them. Song is now 50 years old.

Originally written by K.C. Douglas in 1948.
It was a minor hit for him originally titled "Mercury Boogie,"
adapted years later by the Steve Miller Band and lots
of other artists, Alan Jackson just being one of the latest.

Found a reference to BMI's site that
lists songs with over a million performances, but the
site was down. KC Douglas died in 1961.
Most common title I found was "Mercury Blues".

One of the early Mississippi delta bluesmen.

Betcha didn't want to know all that, but now ya do.

Oh ya this is supposed to be about trucks, well, since Mercury
made trucks too, he coulda been talking 'bout a Mercury truck.

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:39:58 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: nomex/Uniboby Big Window?

Thanks for your message at 02:14 PM 10/27/98 -0600, Bill Adams. Your
message was:
>I'm just kinda wondering how to tell a _big window_ from a _little
>Window_?
The big window is bigger than the small window.

Oh yeah, I guess you knew that and I'm just a smart a** (keepin' it clean!).

The big back window really wraps around like a rear windshield. It really
helps vision when pulling into traffic.
I've had people ask me if I put that window in myself. Nope. Mr. Ford did.



>
>>I have one (short box) and the only other one I have seen (besides photos)
>>was long box. I've never run across numbers indicating how many were made.
>> If anyone has those numbers, I too would be interested in them. I have
>>read they are very rare and people around here (Kennewick, WA) tell me that
>>they are rare, but who knows?
>>
>>I just know I really like mine and will someday give it the paint job it
>>deserves...
>>1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 21:36:47 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE Exhaust manifold removal

I too have had fun removing the bolts in the top row of the FE engine. I have
had success from time to time and not end up removing the head or heads. But
those times when the heads had to come off so the remainder of the bolts could
be drilled out were are quite notable. They rarely ever come out with just
one technique, Some are a pain right down to picking the old metal out of the
threads with a scribe. Having done this to several engines I can tell you as
others have recommended, soak them, hammer them, and you can even heat them
but if they break after doing everything you can do not feel bad, some of them
just will not come out. There some very good penetrating compounds and most
of them smell terrible and make your hands smell the same. Good luck, use
anti-sieze so it will be easier next time.
Burt Hill Kennewick Wa 1972 F250 4x4
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:46:02 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 240/300 six vs. 170/200

Just a quick question: is the 240/300 6, which seems so dearly loved by
many FTEs, the same block as the 170/200(I'm not sure about all the
displacements) that comes in the Falcon and Mustang? Are they compatible
re: trannys, etc.?

I just picked upa 62 Falcon and (being the strange guy I am) I am already
wondering about truck/Falcon swapability...

Dennis in Kennewick
1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:43:53 -0700
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Exhaust Manifold Removal on FE

John, I just wanted to make you aware that the exhaust manifold on the FE
is notorious for warping. You may want to go have them planed, or at least
looked at, while you have them off.

Good luck,

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 20:40:54 -0600
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C6 W/AOD

Rat said,
>there is a company that makes a computer for the E4OD to go into any
>car ruck...

I remember seeing an article about this box a few years back in one of the
car rags. Since then I haven't heard of it other than a few mentions here
at FTE. Does anyone know who makes this box and how many $$$$?

later,
dale c

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:04:50 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Engine rebuild Question

Helped a friend whose crank would not rotate after he finished tightening the
rod caps. I did not know what the problem was right off. So I started
loosening the rod caps. After I had loosened 3 of them it I could rotate the
crank. This told me the problem was on the crank and not in the cylinders.
Proceeded to pull the rod caps and discovered my friend had installed the rod
caps 180 degrees out. The tangs on the bearing inserts in cap and the rod
must be on the same side. He had them across from each other. This made the
center of the rod no longer round as the rod assemblies are finish machined
while bolted to gather in the other position. So his rods were actually
clamping the crank. I have no idea if this is your problem, but thought I
would through it out.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F250 4x4
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:05:39 PST
From: "WILLIAM WHITED"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 Clicking

My cables are good, I retightened everything up just to make sure I
thought the same thing also. Any other ideas? this thinking it is one
thing and having to wait a week for a part is killing me. Any
information is appreicated.


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From: "sam weatherby"
To:
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 Clicking
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:22:47 -0800
Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com

What kind of condition are your battery cables in?
-srw
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From: WILLIAM WHITED
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 302 Clicking


>I have a 79 F150 with a 302, AT that had a bad starter that had ground
>down it's gear. It would turn over and you could hear in grinding. I
>replaced the starter and the I was getting the clicking from the
>selenoid now that I have replaced that I still get the clicking. Could
>it be a low charge on the battery? Or whatelse can it be? This is


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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:17:51 EST
From: SHill48337 aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - exhaust bolts

The idea of studs is a good one until you discover there is not enough room
under your hood to pull the manifolds off over them. Some trucks may have
more room than others but when I got this idea several years ago I discovered
I could not get the manifolds back on.
Burt Hill Kennewick WA 1972 F250 4x4
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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:28:13 -0500
From: Ray J
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear brake cable

I have 1968 F100 with broken left rear parking brake cable. This the short cable from the yoke on
the main cable that is broken.

All contacts where I am tell me there is no replacement. Does anyone out there have a source for
this part? Or know where to get the splicing kit that I'm told can be used.

Ray

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:00:34 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: SoCal Pickups

Dear Ford Truck Enthusiasts list members:

We have a new advertiser on our web site. Since the beginning,
our practice with web site advertisers has been to make a brief
announcement for 2 days (this is day 2 of 2). Please show your
appreciation to SoCal Pick-Ups for helping to support the web
site and the lists by checking them out (this is a temporary page
until they have their site up):

http://www.ford-trucks.com/socal.html

"SoCal Pick-Ups started over 25 years ago as the first restoration
parts business to focus soley on the 53-56 F-100's. Now, SoCal
is now under new ownership. With this new ownership there has
come a renewed emphasis in making sure SoCal is THE place to go
to get the help you need to successfully create the F-100 of
your dreams.

SoCal has made changes in all areas of their operation in order
to bring the best possible service to those rebuilding 1948-1966
F-100's. They have a new catalogue that is updated monthly with
new products, a new customer oriented computer system that keeps
track of every item ever purchased by a customer to enhance their
ability to provide personalized service, and even a few new
employees dedicated to making you successful with your truck
project."

We would like to you to let them know you heard about them via
the Ford Truck Enthusiasts group.

Now returning you to our regularly scheduled program...

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:04:03 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Volunteers, an invitation......

Ladies and Gentlemen, as some of you know I started a list, called
the "Core" list, to help me in my administrative decisions toward
the Ford Truck Enthusiasts lists. I initially chose those who were
active in responding on the lists and whom I considerd my friends
which was a good way to start but more is needed. As the list
matured I realized we need more help and some of my first choices,
while good people and interested in ford trucks are either not in
a position to participate very much or don't feel qualified but
since they had no say in their selection this is not in any way to
their discredit.

What I would like to do now is invite any who feel they have time
and resources to assist in decision making, committee participation
for events planning and participation, or to hold an office in a
club (which we have already begun discussing on the core list) to
come forward privately via email to my mail box kpayne ford-trucks.com
stating your offer, including what you can participate in, what
office you may feel qualified for, email and other computer resources
you have etc. so I can compile a list of people to add to the core
list and from which committees can be formed for planning such things
as the Pigeon Forge event next May and working on the club idea etc..

We may split the core list up into committee lists to cut down on your
email traffic and these discussions don't typically generate a lot of
email so it shouldn't add too much to your mail burden in any case.

Please reply ASAP so we can develop the lists and make our selections.
This is a preliminary, group invitation and we expect more respondees
than there are jobs to fill so please do not be offended if you are
not selected. We appreciate all assistance but only need so many for
these functions so some will not be asked even though qualified. I
will be keeping the list in case more openings come up so you may be
asked at a later date and if any do not resond today but feel inclined
later to volunteer, please feel free to email me in this regard and
I will add you to my list :-)

Please remember that those responding will be expected to participate
to some extent in discussions and activities so don't apply if you
are not in a position to do this. Thank you very much for your past
support. We look forward to greater things in the future, with your
help :-)

Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
http://www.ford-trucks.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 23:14:44 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: My deepest thanks

I just received a gift from one of the list members. It was
through the contributions of many of the list members that
I was given this gift. These contributions were made behind
the scenes, without my knowledge, after the Pigeon Forge
Supernationals show that Ford Truck Enthusiasts participated
in.

Since I don't have the email addresses of all those involved,
I wanted to take this opportunity to thank everyone who
contributed towards this gift. It was not an insignificant
gift and I really appreciate the gesture.

Just wait till next year's Pigeon Forge show!
Regards,
Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 18:42:48 -0500
From: "Brad Jones"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Brake Questions

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While my friend is busy welding my '65 together=20
(I think the guy who owned this used to drive behind the salt truck for =
fun)=20
I am contemplating my brake problems.=20
I have some questions that hopefully someone can answer.
My truck is a '65 f100 body and frame with '68 3/4 ton 4wd drive and =
suspension.
What is the proper diameter for Brake lines (hard)?
I think I am going to go power brakes and want to do it right the first =
time.
Mine look like 1/4" OD and don't seem to get the volume to the wheel =
cylinders.
My emergency brake cables are all frozen and/or destroyed...
The parts store I usually go to said all his books stop at '68
Where can I get Cables?
The cable to get from the handle to the lever that distributes force to =
the two rear cables could be repaired if I could get an 8' cable with a =
5/16" ball on one end.
Is there a tool that does that (the little ball)?
Thanks all

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Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:37:09 -0800
From: "Sam Weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 240/300 six vs. 170/200

No the 170/200/250 are different and smaller I believe.
-srw

Sam Weatherby SWeatherby uswest.net
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'70 Mustang Grabber Sportsroof
'93 F-150 XLT Lightning
'98 FXD Super Glide
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From: Dennis Pearson
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, October 29, 1998 6:55 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 240/300 six vs. 170/200


>
>Just a quick question: is the 240/300 6, which seems so dearly loved by
>many FTEs, the same block as the 170/200(I'm not sure about all the
>displacements) that comes in the Falcon and Mustang? Are they compatible
>re: trannys, etc.?
>
>I just picked upa 62 Falcon and (being the strange guy I am) I am already
>wondering about truck/Falcon swapability...
>
>Dennis in Kennewick
>1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
>1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
>1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
> I shortened this to only FT's
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 01:26:08 EST
From: A4T1RAT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 W/AOD

Sorry I guess I should of put that in ... The Company is
Premier Performance
1020 S.Melrose St.
Placentia, Ca, 92670
714-630-3235
800-959-3235
as far as price last time I did one it was around $1700.00 give them a call
the sell just the box if you have a trans
Rat
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Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 00:13:10 -0600
From: ballingr ldd.net (_ Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '83 CFI

The '83's had a CFI setup with an EEC-III computer. One way you know
for sure is most of them have a Bosch regulator integral with the
throttle body, amd a Baro-Map sensor on the passenger side fender well.

Some '81's and '82's had a variable-venturi feed-back carb, but I've
never seen one on an '83.
>
> What kind of intake system might I expect on an 83 crown vic with 5.0??
> My ...........frie........budd...........well you know......has one and no
> choke
> plate but it has an electric choke cap on it??? He says it's throttle body
> injection, I say feed back carb??

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