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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - Rear Axle Code
Re: FTE 61-79 - HOLLEY CARB QUESTION
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bronco Steering
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bottom Dead Center
FTE 61-79 - Off topic, legal question?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust manifold question??
Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 and Divorce Mount
Re: FTE 61-79 - Bottom Dead Center
FTE 61-79 - Re: axle codes
Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 Dipstick
Re: FTE 61-79 - Information on 302
FTE 61-79 - Information on 302
FTE 61-79 - secondaries
Re: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust manifold question??
FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway bars
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway bars
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway bars
Re: FTE 61-79 - Aussie Heads?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 351C 4V heads
FTE 61-79 - tech. article
FTE 61-79 - Passed the sniffer
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway bars
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway Bars
Re: FTE 61-79 - To 289 or 302 that is the
FTE 61-79 - split vote opinion
Re: FTE 61-79 - nomex/Uniboby
Re: FTE 61-79 - Aussie Heads?
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway Bars

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:46:05 -0500
From: "Mr. Paul R. Boudreault"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear Axle Code


From: "ben"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - axle codes

I got the axle codes of my '79 F-150 Ranger XLT and I don't no what is
what. The code is H2, and that's it. I tried using that decoder thing but I
don't know what to fill in for the front or rear. It worked for my other
truck, but that is a longer code and was easier to figure out how to
seperate it out for front and rear. Also I'm missing the door tag on my '78
lariat, is there any way to find out about the axles?


Hi Ben.

Checked my "1979 Light Truck Service Specifications" Book from FORD and your
axle code is for the rear axle as follows.

H2 - Limited Slip 3750lbs 3.50 gear ratio.

Remember though, if someone has change the gears and not mark the diff.
This may not be correct.

Hope it is though, these were nice axles.

Hope this helps.

Later,

"Paul"


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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:37:08 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - HOLLEY CARB QUESTION

From: "Jerry"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - HOLLEY CARB QUESTION
Date sent: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 21:34:15 -0500

> This is my 1st 4-B and I cant tell if the secondarys are opening when I
> hold full throttle or passing gear.
> (They worked on the bench with vac applied manually during carb OH.)
> Can anyone explain if there is something I should be feeling or hearing
> if the secondaries open ? ? ? ?

If you have an open, aftermarket air cleaner it's real obvious when they open,
you can hear a real change in the sound that actually sounds like you'd
expect if they were slowly opened up but typically you won't hear this except
at near WOT. You should have the black spring in the vac if used in a truck
due to the truck's weight to prevent bogging. This makes it open later and
also more slowly which is what you want in a truck. You really don't want
any secondary activity except at WOT. If it opens sooner then you will have
lots of mixture problems, economy will suffer as well as throttle response.


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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:49:13 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bronco Steering

Date sent: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:05:22 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bronco Steering

> We put a new steertng box in my brother's 78 Bronco
> and now it steers too quick.Do they make more than one
> ratio of box? It looks identical to the one we took out.
> How many turns lock to lock is it supposed to be? TIA

4 turns, exactly

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 07:51:05 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bottom Dead Center

Date sent: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 20:22:49 -0500
From: Dayton Boyd
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bottom Dead Center

> How do you find BDC on other cylinders besides #1, and without just
> looking down the spark plug hole with a flashlight???

For what purpose? You can calculate it but you have to follow the firing
order and use timing tape that wraps all the way around the vibration damper.

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:29:05 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Off topic, legal question?

Can anyone tell me what an "Executive Director" is and does from a legal
standpoint or parlaimentary procedure stand point in a meeting or within a
committee? I gather from my studies so far that he is a meeting "presider
over" or "director" and has no other authority and no vote? It appears that
his positon is designed to be one of non biased direction or facilitator to
keep the meeting on track? Is this close?

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:05:13 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust manifold question??

At 10:12 PM 2/23/98 , you wrote:
>ANybody know if an FE 390 motor uses differnt ex. manifolds on a
>4x2 truck then a 4x4 truck????Or is the pipes just bent differently??
>joe

As far as I know they are the same, I picked mine up (for a 360) off a
truck engine in the junkyard for a bit. If I remember right the engine was
just sitting on the ground, no idea if it was from a 4x4 or 4x2, its
possible I just got lucky, but most likely it was out of a 4x2.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:19:37 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 and Divorce Mount

>> Well, I have a '61 F-100 with a Dana/Spicer 24 transfer case divorce
>> mounted behind a T-98. I have a 429/2wd C6 I am going to stick in there
>> but I don't know what to do about the 'case. Eventually I hope to put
>> an AA Atlas transfer case in there, so if I have to go with a married
>> mount to the C6, what case should I use? Is a NP205 the only option?
>> The atlas only has direct replacement options for a Jeep Dana 300 or a
>> Bronco Dana 20 I believe, and since the Dana 20 is the only way I can
>> get a left hand drop, could I expect it to hold up to the big motor
>> while building up the fundage, or should I buy a 205 with adapter?
>>
>I have heard lots of hype about the Atlas case but most of it was for the
>down sized trucks ( broncos, jeeps and such) but have not seen one in
>person, it's a price tag thing. One thing to check would be if AA has a
>setup for it with an input yolk. That way you could just run a short shaft
>from the tranny to the t-case. I am not sure it the Bronco ever used the
>C6, that would be something to look into and if they did a C6 to D20
>adapter would be a hard find.
>There was an article in one of the latest 4x rags that put a 203 reduction
>unit infront of a 205 for extra gear reduction.
>
>Duh, Ok here is my best thought for this. If AA doesnt have a set up that
>uses a C6 get really friendly with a machine shop and thve them make an
>adapter from the C6/205 to the Atlas case. Not exactly cheap but it might
>be the only choice.
>
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.advanceadapters.com/
>

I called about a year ago on a similar subject (C6-Atlas case). They did
have the adapter for it, but it wouldn't twist the case as far as stock
would (because it was a bronco case they claimed) . Anyway all priced out
I think it was somewhere around $1800 or so ... plus I needed different
drive shafts (the 205 is a different width than the 203).

Hope this helps.

Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:25:08 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Bottom Dead Center

At 07:22 PM 10/25/98 , you wrote:
>How do you find BDC on other cylinders besides #1, and without just looking
>down the spark plug hole with a flashlight???
>

One way to do this might be to remember that the crank has 90degree
increments ... that also means two will be on the bottom at a time ...
maybe you can mark the crank pulley ?



Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 06:26:19 -0600
From: Rick Sullivan
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: axle codes

>I got the axle codes of my '79 F-150 Ranger XLT and I don't no what
>is what. The code is H2, and that's it. I tried using that decoder >thing

H2 is the code for Limited Slip #3750 3.50. There should be a space
after the H2 and then a number or a letter for your front axle.
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:32:39 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 302 Dipstick

At 08:02 AM 10/25/98 , you wrote:
> I know that there was a discussion early on the list about dipsticks,
>I have a 302 in my 79 F150 Super Cab, and it is unattached. The casing
>is kind of held there by the dipstick, in the hole. How concerned to I
>need to be about this? Also how do I fix it? I just use the vehicle to
>drive around lovely GTMO, the most the engine is running at any given
>time is 40 min, with max speeds of 35mph. I plan to rework the truck
>after getting stateside in about 6 months TIA

When I had headers on my 360 I didn't get the dipstick under the header,
just make sure its seated well and you shouldn't have any problems.
Occasionally I took a block of wood, placed it on top of the tube and
tapped it to be sure it was seated properly.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:37:49 -0600
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Information on 302

At 09:50 AM 10/24/98 , you wrote:
>
> I want a fuel efficient V8 in my 66F100. I read over Donald Haulsee's
> conversion Tech Tip for installing a 87-93 Mustang SEFI 5 Liter V8 / AOD
> Drive Train into a 61-79 F100-F250 and decided it looked easy enough. So
> today I called around for prices on the 2 major parts. OH MY GOSH!!! for the
> engine / tranny total price: from $1300-2000! Can this be? I live in Columbus
> OH. Are prices about the same elsewhere? In the write up he quotes $400
> engine and $200 tranny. One yard had a 5.0 from a crown Vic or some large
> bodied car for $400 . What's the difference between the two. they are both
> EFI. Is the cam different? I know its alot of questions. But I am in the
> planning stage and need more input.
> My plan is to pull the 240 and t18 out, take everything out of cab (seat
> windows instruments et...) and tow it down to have a good all over paint job
> put on. while this is taking place I want to disassemble engine clean it and
> rebuild it. I have got plenty of time ,not in a hurry.


Sounds like a great swap, especially if you have the temperature swings that we
do. Here's my understanding of some of the differences. If you check out the
mustang GT site ... there's a link to it at www.mustanggt.com ... it will
explain the different cams and such. Part of the difference between EFI and
SEFI is the firing of the injectors, from what I've read EFI (on a multi port
system) will fire all the injectors at once, where SEFI will fire them in
sequence (probably at the right time for the valve opening). Also part of the
hp rating difference between Mustangs and Crown Vics is the exhaust. Most
people don't want noise from their Crown Vic, so they put a more restrictive
exhaust on them, in some cases they might not have had room for more exhaust.
If it were me, I might consider just getting the long block from a junkyard,
then either getting after market or stock mustang intakes. The stock intakes
can be found at swap meets fairly cheap, or you can get an upper/lower combo
from an after market company for more power/torque depending on what you want
from the engine.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 08:45:05 -0600 (CST)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Information on 302

Kenny Realph [krealph hotmail.com] wrote:

> I live in
>Columbus OH.

Go Buckeyes!

> for the
>engine / tranny total price: from $1300-2000

I think my father in law paid about that to have *somebody else* replace the engine in his
van. Of course, that includes the "core swap"

> Are prices about the same elsewhere? In the write up he quotes
>$400 engine and $200 tranny. One yard

My experience with a yards is most of them will try and inflate all prices for something
they think you really need. You may want to try and hit a few yards outta Columbus in
smaller towns as I think they sometimes give better deals.

> a good all over paint job
>put on. while this is taking place
>I want to disassemble engine clean it and
>rebuild it. I have got plenty of time ,not in a hurry.

You have time AND money? Quit rubbing it in, will ya :-)
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 09:17:41 -0600
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - secondaries

Jerry,

I can't speak to that particular setup, but in general, when the
secondaries open you will have increased engine noise and you should be
depressed into the seatback more than usual. If the secondaries engage by
vacuum, you may not notice a kick. If they are controlled by linkage
manually, then they feel almost like another downshift. If they are not
opening at all then you will be limited on higher engine RPM as the
primaries can not deliver enough fuel and the engine will starve out.

Hope this helps.


- -John

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:33:30 -0500
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Exhaust manifold question??

William S Hart wrote:
>
> At 10:12 PM 2/23/98 , you wrote:
> >ANybody know if an FE 390 motor uses differnt ex. manifolds on a
> >4x2 truck then a 4x4 truck????Or is the pipes just bent differently??
> >joe
>
> As far as I know they are the same, I picked mine up (for a 360) off a
> truck engine in the junkyard for a bit. If I remember right the engine was
> just sitting on the ground, no idea if it was from a 4x4 or 4x2, its
> possible I just got lucky, but most likely it was out of a 4x2.
>
> Just my 2cents
>
> Bill
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Bill,
thanks for the response..Thats how I'm leaning..I can't see FORD
making to sets of manifolds for the FE motor for a truck(the guys on the
line had enough to worry about) then manifolds...So being the
true blue Fordguy that I am I will have to go with ford design
and hope they used the same..
Joe
68 4x4
68 4x2
70 4x4
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:59:44 -0500
From: William King
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway bars

Dean,
I put an anti-sway bar on the front of my 1968 F100. It helped
at LOT! I used to tear around a curvy on-ramp (on my way to work)
in the morning. Without the anti-sway bar I could only hit
45 mph through the curve. After the anti-sway bar I could hold
60 mph. A 33% improvement in cornering speed? Well worth it! Plus
the truck handles better overall (such as lanechanges, etc.). BTW, it
was a JC Whitney bar, and it's worked fine for the past three years.
Ohio Bill

1968 Torino GT (429 4V 4speed)
1968 F100 (360 4V 4speed)
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:14:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway bars

Since we are talking about sway bars, has anyone ever put one on a
straight axel front end? I know of at least one manufacturer that makes
them for Ford trucks. There is an article on Classic Trucks (or maybe
Custom Classic Trucks) were they put one of these on a 56 with monoleafs,
but I want to keep the stock front end on my truck and not go with
monoleafs to improve its handeling. Any suggestions or comments?


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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 13:41:21 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway bars

Date sent: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 10:14:13 -0600 (CST)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway bars

> Since we are talking about sway bars, has anyone ever put one on a
> straight axel front end? I know of at least one manufacturer that makes
> them for Ford trucks.

78/79 broncos have straight axles and the sway bars work very well on them
:-) Makes them handle like Feraris (or mustangs :-))

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:15:25 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Aussie Heads?

>From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Aussie Heads?
>
>I had a '70 GT Ranchero with a 2bbl Cleveland in it
>back in '78. I had to pull the heads on it and found
>that it had "quench" style closed chambers like a
>351C 4V.
>
>These had to be the only
>year that the "Aussie" head was available in
>production. Maybe it was a Canadian car, who
>knows? Has anyone ever seen a pair?

Yo Bill:

According to the information I have been able to find on the Aussie
Cleveland heads, the first ones went into production in 1972. That would
seem to preclude them as original equipment from the factory in 1970.
Could it be that the heads you looked at had the deck surfaces shaved? Or
could it be that some previous owner switched the original heads w/
something else?

The most desirable of the Aussie heads would be the 302C 2V heads, w/ small
ports and valves (2.05, 1.66) and 58cc (wow!) combustion chambers. The
small chamber Aussie 351C 2V heads (73.5cc) are somewhat smaller than the
American 351C 2V heads (76.2cc) and they didn't go into production until
1976. The larger chamber Aussie 351C 2V heads went into production in 1972
and they have the same size combustion chamber as the American 351C 2V
heads (or standard M-block heads).

I saw a set of heads that were purported to be Aussie heads a few years ago
at a Ford speed shop. Some guy had paid an arm and a leg to get them from
Australia for his '72 Mustang. I didn't look too close at them or have a
burette handy, but they sure didn't look much different from what I've seen
on a garden variety 2V Cleveland or M-block. With some Aussie heads having
the same size combustion chamber as a regular American 351C 2V, I suppose
you'd better be pretty careful about what you buy or you'll wind up paying
shipping (over 50 lbs each!) from Australia for nothing.

Bill Lewis's "Ford V8 Engine Workshop" has a decent (brief) description of
the various Cleveland style cylinder heads (including the Aussie heads) on
this web site: http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.wrljet.com/engines/cleveland.html

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:30:22 -0700
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 351C 4V heads

>From: luxjo thecore.com
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Ref - 351/400M 351C 4V heads
>
> Where can I get a copy of this spec. I may
>need it in the future to prove to NJ that the
>351M did come with a 4 bbl carb, at least on
>paper anyway.

Yo Ox:

That's just the problem. I have never been able to confirm it.

The reference where I saw it was in a Chiltons manual (there goes any shred
of credibility!) for full-size cars (LTD, Crown Vic, Grand Marquis, etc.).
I think it covered years 1968 to 1992. In a table listing
engine/powertrain specs, there was a single 400 4V entry. It may have been
just a typo!

I have heard the "factory 400 4V" rumor from other people, too, but I have
never seen one myself or been able to find credible documentation of it.

One lead I haven't pursued is Holley. They list two different 4V carbs as
"emissions legal" replacements for M-block engines, including trucks up to
1980. I would call and ask them if they have a CARB Exemption Order for
those carbs in the M-block application and pursue that angle. If they have
a CARB EO, you might be in business, and you should be able to track down
more specifics of the original 4V configuration.

Good luck.

Dave R. (M-block devotee)


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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:34:30 -0800
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tech. article

"Bill Ballinger (ballingr ldd.net) has submitted an
article on FEs and bent push-rods."
Informative article thanks,looking forward to your intake manifold
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:42:18 EST
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Passed the sniffer

Well, Folks Tweety is legal. Passed the sniffer better than a pinto. All I
had to do was ditch the holley in favor of a Stock carb. Found one for 200.
Its one of those Elusive Autolite Spreadbores. The secondaries are just a
touch bigger than the primaries. Even found the elusive vacuum leak. Seems
the spacer plate I was using was actually a Q-Jet adapter flipped upside down,
So there was a huge leak at the manifold. New spacer plate fixed that. If
anyone is interested in the Adapter plate, lemme know. Other than needing the
right tubes to hook up the choke, everything is fantastic.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:01:06 -0500
From: Dayton Boyd
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway bars

How do you all think that anti-sway bars would work on a Lifted F250 4x4?
(4 inch lift), ive heard that they do great, but I want some info first.

cannandale
'78 F250 4x4, 460

At 11:05 AM 10/26/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Dean,
>I put an anti-sway bar on the front of my 1968 F100. It helped
>at LOT! I used to tear around a curvy on-ramp (on my way to work)
>in the morning. Without the anti-sway bar I could only hit
>45 mph through the curve. After the anti-sway bar I could hold
>60 mph. A 33% improvement in cornering speed? Well worth it! Plus
>the truck handles better overall (such as lanechanges, etc.). BTW, it
>was a JC Whitney bar, and it's worked fine for the past three years.
>Ohio Bill
>
>1968 Torino GT (429 4V 4speed)
>1968 F100 (360 4V 4speed)
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:51:28 -0600
From: "kingster"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Sway Bars

I have a 71 F-100 and was wandering the phone number of the Hellwig dealer
so I can order some sway bars for my truck.

Kingster

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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:24:47 -0800
From: Jeffrey.Carver Aerojet.com (CARVER, JEFFREY D)
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - To 289 or 302 that is the

Don't make rash assumptions.

I have no interest in getting different performance
out of my truck. I like what I've got. I'm on the list
to obtain advice on how to keep my truck running.

I didn't worked on my truck in the 34 years it's been
in the family, my dad took it to the shop for work.
Now that I have it, I can't afford to take it to shops.
I am experienced in working on a different breed of
vehicle, and need some advice on what may seem
like basics to the majority of this list.

There's sooooooo much engine discussions that I
only join the list when I find a need for advice, otherwise
I'm wading though information that is of no interest to me.
So I drop off the list for long periods of time.

I may have a unique truck, but that doesn't
stop me from using it as a truck. Hauling
kids, compost, rocks, garbage cans, whatever,
just not racing or even going fast.

I'm trying to get the truck back to good, strong,
condition after years of hauling a 3/4 dry weight
camper on an already overloaded 1/2 ton truck
with a second cab added on. The truck weighs
in at 4800 lbs with nothing in the bed, the GVW
is 5000 lbs. No wonder the springs are shot!
No wonder Ford used F250's for crewcabs
instead of F100's!

Jeff
'64 F100 CrewCab
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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:05:43 EST
From: JJJJJGRANT aol.com
Subject:?

i think everyone here is interested in performance for their trucks.
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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:04:04 -0500
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - split vote opinion

>>From owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com Mon Oct 26 11:40:58 1998
>Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 11:40:58 -0500 (EST)
>From: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>To: owner-61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Forwarded for: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu

Gary, 78 BBB [gpeters3 ford.com]

>Perhaps but if you want all the info then you s*bscribe to all three. Those
>who only want to see info on their own truck can have less mail traffic and
>>will in that case be more active and more likely to stay on the list.

I have slowly learned as a member of the list that just because something
doesn't seem
to apply directly to my truck, the content is most often helpful.
Especially discussions of
mods from any year, while they don't specifically apply, often help me to
think about what
will be involve if I can do such a mod on my truck. A case in point is
electronic ignition. I
didn't realize that I could upgrade my points system to EI until I followed
some of the
posts for an older series truck. Now I realize there is a limit to this, I
wouldn't want to
spend a lot of time reading about 90's truck content cause I think thats a
little to far
removed, but a "series" above and below my truck series seems pretty
reasonable.

Additionally, as FE parts become harder to find, it is very helpful to know
that I can look
in early 70's trucks to get engine parts for my 66. Case in point, I
recently found all the
brackets and pulleys I needed for an AC retrofit from a 70's truck. This
was after
literally, months of trying to find something from a late 60's car or truck.
This is
something I may have never known if the list stopped at 66.

Yes, there is a lot of mail. But I don't think its that hard to delete
messages from threads
that I don't have an interest in. My email will even sort by subject, I can
then select all
messages under a subject and deleted them with one key stroke.

Bottom line. I'm voting NO SPLIT!

Now back to our regularly scheduled discussion.
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas



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Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 19:29:20 -0800
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - nomex/Uniboby

Thanks for your message at 03:51 PM 10/23/98 -0700, J.S.H.. Your message was:
>I was thinking of getting a 61-66 to compliment the beauty of my
>76f-250 4x4 but certanly not to replace it.
> (BTW looking for straight 61-66 2wd s/b in Reno area)
> Anybody have the story on Big Back Window Unibodies? I have only
>seen one in my lifetime so I assume they are quite rare.
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I have one (short box) and the only other one I have seen (besides photos)
was long box. I've never run across numbers indicating how many were made.
If anyone has those numbers, I too would be interested in them. I have
read they are very rare and people around here (Kennewick, WA) tell me that
they are rare, but who knows?

I just know I really like mine and will someday give it the paint job it
deserves...
1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
I shortened this to only FT's
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