61-79-list-digest Sunday, October 25 1998 Volume 02 : Number 498



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In this issue:

RE: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote
Re: FTE 61-79 - To 289 or 302 that is the ?
FTE 61-79 - Rad Choice
FTE 61-79 - Information on 302
RE: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote
FTE 61-79 - Re:Calling Dr Grossman....Dr Grossman Needed in Surgery
RE: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote
FTE 61-79 - Cool truck
FTE 61-79 - Bronco Steering
FTE 61-79 - C6 and Divorce Mount
FTE 61-79 - engine tower mounts???
Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote
FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list-digest V2 #497
Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 and Divorce Mount
FTE 61-79 - RE: headers/exhaust
FTE 61-79 - Cool truck
FTE 61-79 - C6 to manual trans swap

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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 07:56:12 -0500
From: "J Elliott"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote

>I like the 61-79 list the way it is. I vote for no separation

I was going to refrain from any comment, despite feeling strongly, in order
to let voting be free of any influences. BUT since someone else started:

I simply point out that for me, one of the major interests in this list is
the amount of discussion on mechanical cross-breeding between the major
groups, 61-66, 67-72, 73-79. Particulary the latter two. I fear that if
split, this resource aspect would diminish. Noting Ken's reply on voting for
how to split, it struck me that my honest response would be yes if plan a,
and NO! if plan b. Hardly fair to the other third of the group.

JE



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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 06:36:17 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - To 289 or 302 that is the ?

JJJJJGRANT aol.com wrote:

> if you want torque go with a 351 windsor, most people can't tell the
> diiference between a 302 and 351w they look almost identical, the 351 is a
> little wider and taller. i have the parts to bulid a nice windsor and they
> could be yours.

Wider and taller is the reason why I would want to stay with the 289/302.
There just isn't much room under the hood of a CJ 3A.

This motor talk is problaby more suited to the performance list but since I
was here I would ask anyway.

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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon
ICQ# 19575234

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:22:34 -0400
From: "Mr. Paul R. Boudreault"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rad Choice


We discussed this at length on the bronco list a while back and it turns out
that copper has a heat sinking coefficient much greater than aluminum,
roughly twice as good so copper radiators are better in every way including
corrosion resistance. Aluminum is attacked by virtually all chemicals known
to man and has a very delicate PH range it can safely tolerate in either
direction from neutral (7). Most copper radiators are cheaper than after
market al radiators as well. 78 and 79 ford trucks has an excellent one
available called the "super cool" or extra cooling which measures 26.375 x
24 x 4" and is a 4 tube, HD radiator. My last one cost about $250 from
Murray's.

The main reason race cars use al is weight, not efficiency.

Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary --


Thanks very much!

You made my day with this information. I need to get a shroud too and my
FORD dealer tells me that I can still get the correct shroud for either of
these packages. Made my job of choosing a lot easier. I wondered about the
corrosion factor for the aluminum. My favorite mechanic said the same thing
to me today, just before I read your response.

Like the man said, "Eat sh*t, ten thousand flies can't all be wrong!" !>)

I like to put my Bronco through the paces too, hence always heavy duty
everything! ;>)


Later,

"Paul"





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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 11:50:20 -0400
From: "Kenny Realph"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Information on 302

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I want a fuel efficient V8 in my 66F100. I read over Donald Haulsee's
conversion Tech Tip for installing a 87-93 Mustang SEFI 5 Liter V8 / AOD
Drive Train into a 61-79 F100-F250 and decided it looked easy enough. So
today I called around for prices on the 2 major parts. OH MY GOSH!!! for the
engine / tranny total price: from $1300-2000! Can this be? I live in
Columbus OH. Are prices about the same elsewhere? In the write up he quotes
$400 engine and $200 tranny. One yard had a 5.0 from a crown Vic or some
large bodied car for $400 . What's the difference between the two. they are
both EFI. Is the cam different? I know its alot of questions. But I am in
the planning stage and need more input.
My plan is to pull the 240 and t18 out, take everything out of cab (seat
windows instruments et...) and tow it down to have a good all over paint job
put on. while this is taking place I want to disassemble engine clean it and
rebuild it. I have got plenty of time ,not in a hurry.

Thank you and talk at yall later.

Kenny Realph
1966 F100 240I 1v
E-Mail: krealph hotmail.com



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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:09:05 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote

From: "J Elliott"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote
Date sent: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 07:56:12 -0500

> I simply point out that for me, one of the major interests in this list is
> the amount of discussion on mechanical cross-breeding between the major
> groups, 61-66, 67-72, 73-79. Particulary the latter two. I fear that if
> split, this resource aspect would diminish.

Perhaps but if you want all the info then you subscribe to all three. Those
who only want to see info on their own truck can have less mail traffic and
will in that case be more active and more likely to stay on the list.

I see it as "having your cake and eating it too" :-) My only question to Ken
was, will it put that much more burden on him to maintain yet anouther list or
lists. Other than that it should really be the same for those who want all the
info but will relieve those who don't. Can't beat that with at stick :-)



Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary --
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:25:13 -0700
From: sparky mail.island.net
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:Calling Dr Grossman....Dr Grossman Needed in Surgery

>William L Ballinger wrote:
>
>> Don Grossman on this list is one of our resident experts on this
>> subject. Are you listening Don?
>>
>> > visiting all the auto graveyards in the area looking for this elusive
part,
>> > again with no luck. I was wondering if anyone knew if I could replace the
>> > power steering box with a newer one that doesnt need the power
cylinder. I
>> > want to try this replacement idea as a new cylinder is a little beyond my
>> > budget at the moment.....over $600 Cdn with taxes, core charge, etc etc.
>> > Also I think that the newer systems are more maintainence friendly, less
>> > stuff to break :)
>>
>
>Thanks William ;-)
>
>I over looked the first message that your quote was attached too. Is it 4
or 2
>wheel drive? And, what year was that truck again? Dun caught me at the
nurses
>station again ;}
>

Hi Doctor Grossman. The truck, I mean patient ;) in question is a 73 F250
4x4. He is having a difficult time steering as he is completely missing his
power steering cylinder :( We here at the clinic are contemplating a
complete transplant of a newer power steering box that would eliminate the
need for this missing item. We are just unsure of what year/style of donor
vehicle would be compatible. Dont really want the patient to reject the new
organ :) Any info would be greatly appreciated. The patient also has a
straight axle and leaf springs, if that makes a difference.

Vaughn
Proud New Owner Of
'73 F250 4x4
390 4spd



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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:08:08 PDT
From: "WILLIAM WHITED"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote

Gary, All valid points but, some concern may come from the wealth of
knowledge that may be lost from those people who, lets say have a 66 and
just are on that list, but know quite a bit about the 73-79 trucks.
There are times when there are alot of messages that do not concern me,
but I read them all. You never know when somebody will slip a tid bit
in there that we help me. Just my thoughts.

74 F100 RANGER SUPER CAB 390
79 F150 EXPLORER SUPER CAB 302
"IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS, SEMPER FI"

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From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 12:09:05 +0000
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote
Reply-To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com

From: "J Elliott"
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote
Date sent: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 07:56:12 -0500

> I simply point out that for me, one of the major interests in this
list is
> the amount of discussion on mechanical cross-breeding between the
major
> groups, 61-66, 67-72, 73-79. Particulary the latter two. I fear that
if
> split, this resource aspect would diminish.

Perhaps but if you want all the info then you subscribe to all three.
Those
who only want to see info on their own truck can have less mail traffic
and
will in that case be more active and more likely to stay on the list.

I see it as "having your cake and eating it too" :-) My only question
to Ken
was, will it put that much more burden on him to maintain yet anouther
list or
lists. Other than that it should really be the same for those who want
all the
info but will relieve those who don't. Can't beat that with at stick
:-)



Michigan Pot Hole Jumpin Bronco lover, -- Gary --
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 16:03:41 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cool truck

Hey all who may be interested, I might be acquiring a 71 F-250 ambulance. It
was an ambulance in California and was bought at an auction. Its been
converted to a camper. I thought it was a cool old truck. Its got a 352
factory a/c that works and even an 8-track. I'm gonna probably
get it in trade for some work. If anybody is interested, lemme know. When I
asked her about it she said make an offer, so..... Its located in a small
town just south of Vegas.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 13:05:22 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Bronco Steering

We put a new steertng box in my brother's 78 Bronco
and now it steers too quick.Do they make more than one
ratio of box? It looks identical to the one we took out.
How many turns lock to lock is it supposed to be? TIA
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 14:06:44 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - C6 and Divorce Mount

Well, I have a '61 F-100 with a Dana/Spicer 24 transfer case divorce
mounted behind a T-98. I have a 429/2wd C6 I am going to stick in there
but I don't know what to do about the 'case. Eventually I hope to put
an AA Atlas transfer case in there, so if I have to go with a married
mount to the C6, what case should I use? Is a NP205 the only option?
The atlas only has direct replacement options for a Jeep Dana 300 or a
Bronco Dana 20 I believe, and since the Dana 20 is the only way I can
get a left hand drop, could I expect it to hold up to the big motor
while building up the fundage, or should I buy a 205 with adapter?

Birken
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Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:15:21 -0500
From: Joe & Jen DeLaurentis
Subject: FTE 61-79 - engine tower mounts???

I hope somebody can help..
We removed my 390 and also the motor mounts and towers(mounted to frame)
Well when we went to put them back in we found 3 holes on each side
of the frame..Which ones get used for a FE motor?????390
Joe

Oh yea its in a 68 F-100 4x4
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 17:22:31 -0700
From: Jeff Larson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: 61-79 list split vote

Ken Payne wrote:
>
> At 02:48 PM 10/23/98 -0500, you wrote:
> >Ken,
> > What would be the split, or two new lists?
> >Bryan Kirking
> >66 Step Side
> >352 4 speed
> >Houston, Texas
> >
>
> It would split into 2 lists. It would split one of
> the following two ways (to be voted on if the split
> vote is yes):
>
> a. 61-66 and 67-79 lists
> or
> b. 61-72 and 73-79 lists
>
> Ken
>
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SPLIT IT. PLEASE!
jEFF 79 F150 4X4
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 18:25:41 -0700
From: Jason Topor
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: 61-79-list-digest V2 #497

> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 07:17:34 -0700
> From: dan & Cheryl Ledford
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - Instrument gauges
>
> I have a '70 f100 and the instrument gauges are giving me fits. They
> only read half way on the scale i.e., half full tank of gas, half way on
> the temp gauge, middle of the oil pressure (when it registers; sometimes
> it's zero) I have tested the instrument voltage regulator - it's OK; I
> tested each gauge with high and low resistors - they check OK. The
> ground wire is firmly attached to the chassis. Anybody have any ideas
> what to do next?

Temp guage- Test the water temp with a mechanical guage. The temp will
normally be about the same as the temp of the thermostat. My temp guage
normally reads a little below 1/2 way.

Oil guage- The wire to the oil sending unit, or the unit it self might
be faulty. I have replaced more then one oil sending unit on my Fords.
Again my oil guage normally reads about 1/2 way also.

Gas tank- I normally am running on empty (I can't wait to grad. from
college and get a real job) for I can't afford gas.... Have you siphoned
gas from your tank lately? Sometimes the hose can bend the ending unit
are if you are not careful. You should also check the resitence in the
unit with an ohm meter. Your shop manual should have the specs.

Good luck.

Jason
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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 18:56:41 -0800
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - C6 and Divorce Mount

Vogt Family wrote:

> Well, I have a '61 F-100 with a Dana/Spicer 24 transfer case divorce
> mounted behind a T-98. I have a 429/2wd C6 I am going to stick in there
> but I don't know what to do about the 'case. Eventually I hope to put
> an AA Atlas transfer case in there, so if I have to go with a married
> mount to the C6, what case should I use? Is a NP205 the only option?
> The atlas only has direct replacement options for a Jeep Dana 300 or a
> Bronco Dana 20 I believe, and since the Dana 20 is the only way I can
> get a left hand drop, could I expect it to hold up to the big motor
> while building up the fundage, or should I buy a 205 with adapter?
>
> Birken

I have heard lots of hype about the Atlas case but most of it was for the
down sized trucks ( broncos, jeeps and such) but have not seen one in
person, it's a price tag thing. One thing to check would be if AA has a
setup for it with an input yolk. That way you could just run a short shaft
from the tranny to the t-case. I am not sure it the Bronco ever used the
C6, that would be something to look into and if they did a C6 to D20
adapter would be a hard find.
There was an article in one of the latest 4x rags that put a 203 reduction
unit infront of a 205 for extra gear reduction.

Duh, Ok here is my best thought for this. If AA doesnt have a set up that
uses a C6 get really friendly with a machine shop and thve them make an
adapter from the C6/205 to the Atlas case. Not exactly cheap but it might
be the only choice.

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.advanceadapters.com/

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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon
ICQ# 19575234

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 21:23:52 -0500
From: Brett McCoy
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: headers/exhaust

Dale,

Glad to help, I know you will be happy with it. Be sure to update us on your
work.

- -B

>>off the stock exhaust manifolds, then go into a Flowmaster y-pipe to get to
>>3" after the y-pipe I run into a hi-perf 3" cat and then into a Flowmaster
(just
>> plain 3 chamber) muffler. Finally exit out at stock location behind rear
>>weel on pass side. It sounds great! Not to loud and not tinny at all. It
>>looks basically stock but sounds and flows much better. I highly
>>recommend it.

>Brett,
>thanks for the info. I ordered my parts yesterday, (same set-up without the
>cat) and I'll let you know how I like it after it's done.
>later,
>dale c
>'79 351M

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Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 00:13:14 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cool truck

I don't know if this made it through the first time, so sorry if its a repeat.

I'm going to be coming across a 1971 F-250 Ambulance. Its red and white, and
the back has been converted to a camper. Its got a new 352 in it, A/C, and
even an 8 track. I'm gonna get in trade for some work, but I can't really
keep it. If anyone is interested lemme know.

Darrell Duggan
74 F-350 "Tweety"
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