61-79-list-digest Saturday, October 17 1998 Volume 02 : Number 490



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's That Bend Pushrods, A Dirty Little Secret, Next on Geraldo...
Re: FTE 61-79 - FMX ??'s
Re: FTE 61-79 - 61-79-list-FUEL/SPARKS/TIMING?
FTE 61-79 - buying ford truck
RE: Subject: FTE 61-79 - Sleddog
FTE 61-79 - Flywheel
FTE 61-79 - vin# door tags
FTE 61-79 - Step Side Bed
FTE 61-79 - fan shroud
FTE 61-79 - R134
FTE 61-79 - caddy engines and Stu
FTE 61-79 - The very very very last carb question
FTE 61-79 - Re: fan shroud
Re: Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1961 Ford Pickup
FTE 61-79 - A/C compressors
Re: FTE 61-79 - The very very very last carb question
FTE 61-79 - air compressors
FTE 61-79 - caddies one more time
FTE 61-79 - 61-79-list-FUEL/SPARKS/TIMING?
Re: FTE 61-79 - buying ford truck
FTE 61-79 - FMX?
Re: FTE 61-79 - FMX?
Re: FTE 61-79 - 61-79-list-FUEL/SPARKS/TIMING?
FTE 61-79 - GM in a Ford?..a Real Sad Viginette
Re: FTE 61-79 - GM in a Ford? Ford in a GM?
FTE 61-79 - '65 upgrades.
FTE 61-79 - Paint codes and mixing numbers help!!
Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Brake booster question
FTE 61-79 - Re: vin# door tags
FTE 61-79 - Re: fan shroud
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Trim those signatures
RE: FTE 61-79 - A/C compressors
Re: FTE 61-79 - buying ford truck
Re: FTE 61-79 - FMX?
RE: FTE 61-79 - air compressors
FTE 61-79 - Re: Rotten to the Core
FTE 61-79 - Re: Stu...Stu...Stu
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Stu...Stu...Stu
FTE 61-79 - Removing Paint from Chrome Dash
FTE 61-79 - '75 F100
FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 starter update
FTE 61-79 - help--- body lift experts
FTE 61-79 - Work, Lists and decisions......
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Off-road list vote
FTE 61-79 - 1971 4dr cab
Re: FTE 61-79 - '75 F100
FTE 61-79 - If It's Really Varner Where's the Cigar?
Re: FTE 61-79 - If It's Really Varner Where's the Cigar?

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:12:46 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FE's That Bend Pushrods, A Dirty Little Secret, Next on Geraldo...

Date sent: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:56:53 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE's That Bend Pushrods, A Dirty Little Secret, Next on Geraldo...

> There are some things that should be done on the FE to insure valvetrain
> stability.

>An engine that had warranty work done could be found with
> a longer pushrod ot two, so be aware. If you can find the length of
> pushrod needed, viola!, you are home free.

Thank you Bill for this insight. Remember I pointed out that the pushrods
should be measured for length just to be sure and the old fashioned
reasoning that if it worked before you took it apart then you should put all
the parts back in the same location they were originally in still holds true but
if you have a problem then all Bill's advice is certainly right on the mark.

What I'm saying is that if you don't have the tools or expertise to do all these
things then at the very least protect yourself and your work by putting
EVERYTHING back where you found it. This is a VERY basic rule of
mechanics and all shade trees worth their salt learned this the first time they
took something apart and refined the principle when they got into engines
and ate their first cam or bent a push rod or holed a piston with a
valve...........:-)

A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
Dad keeps the best part :-)

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:48:20 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FMX ??'s

Date sent: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:32:31 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FMX ??'s

> I don't want to start a huge flame war, but all I've heard about lately is
> supposed reliablitly problems with the FMX, though no one seems to
> actually have them.

It was one of the first ford automatics, was heavy duty and my
understanding is that it has many shims and odd parts which have to be
carefully kept track of which make is hard to work on. I don't recall any
complaints about it's reliability. I know that the hot early muscle Tbirds had
them but not sure when they came out. Early to mid 60's I beilieve. The C-6
was around in 68 and eventually replaced the FMX but not sure when the last
one was used either so I guess I really don't know very much about all this
and should keep my mouth shut :-)


A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
Dad keeps the best part :-)

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:53:51 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 61-79-list-FUEL/SPARKS/TIMING?

From: Justin Farcas
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 61-79-list-FUEL/SPARKS/TIMING?
Date sent: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:48:39 -0400 (EDT)

> Thanks for the reply....what exactly do you mean by "running heat through"
> the fuel system?

I think what he meant was "Heet" which is a brand name for dry gas or
Methanol de-icer.

A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
Dad keeps the best part :-)

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:47:54 EDT
From: NUTCH11 aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - buying ford truck

hi

about buying a 60's ford truck, my feelings would be to stay away from
unibodys.
ford quit making them after a few years , i assume they figured something out.
you can find a big list of trucks at www.traderonline.com .
i would be careful not to buy one with a motor that has been modified very
much
some big cam, and carb, with low axle ratios can be no fun to drive everyday.
there are alot of places to buy used and new parts and there are no computers
for mechanics to try to fix. gas milege will be less than new er trucks but
any 390/460 powered truck will pull alot more than newer ones .
good body is alot more important than running gear ( my opinion).
good luck
john
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 06:15:07 -0600
From: Mike Orendorf
Subject: RE: Subject: FTE 61-79 - Sleddog



Is he still here??? >>

Last I heard he was not on this list, but he his on the perf-list, he is
still posting there regularly.

- - Mike

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:19:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Flywheel

WILLIAM WHITED [f10074 hotmail.com] wrote:

>> The problem
is it will not start,(that's why I got a good deal).
>> how hard is that to change
out? I will have to wait awhile for the part to come in. If it's not
the flywheel whatelse may it be?

I have no idea how hard it it to change the flywheel. Have you done any
more basic troubleshooting? Is it producing a spark at the plugs? Is it
getting gas to the carb?


>> thanks in advance for any info.
Tony
74 F100 RANGER SUPER CAB 390
79 F150 EXPLORER SUPER CAB 302
"IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS SEMPER FI"

Always glad to help out the boys watching our backs....

Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:23:27 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - vin# door tags

Jesus Cardoso [cardoso ee.tamu.edu] wrote:

>>I asked this question a few months ago, but I never got a
response. Does anyone know were I can get the VIN# door tag made

My only suggestions would be to find a used one, then file off//cover over
the old numbers with yours. Or if you like I could send you a scanned
picture of the tag in my Ford Shop Manual, you could edit it appropriately
then print onto a clear label and stick it to a peice of metal ...



Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:33:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Step Side Bed

Barry [bbprice atlnet.com] wrote:

>>Does anyone know where I can get the hole
location dimensions for the bed to frame mounting bolts. I plan to
purchase oak boards and do the wood work my self.

My 66 step side has 6 bolts through wood. There are three in the second
board from the driver's side and three in the second board from the
passanger side (see diagram)

>From cab to first set (center) 2 3/4"
From cab to second set (center) 25 1/2"
From cab to third set (center) 53 1/4"
The second and third sets line up with the bolts in the metal strips

Top View
*the 0 are the holes*

Cab
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| |0 | | | | |0 | |
| | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | |
| |0 | | | | |0 | | Pass side
| | | | | | | | |
| | | | | | | | |
| |0 | | | | |0 | |
| | | | | | | | |
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You may already know this, but both Carolina Classics and Macs list the
metal strips for sale, prices look like they go from $40 (painted) - $80
stainless steel. (I've never ordered anything from either of theses places)

Rear
Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:44:24 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - fan shroud

Looks like there have been several differences in the fan shroud so if it
makes a difference my '74 that had one was an F-150 4X4 Ranger package
with 360 - C6 - NP203(full time) with A/C, pwr brakes and steering.
I'll bet that if anything made it standard it was the A/C.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:52:02 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - R134

Bill Hart writes: >>The best would probably be to buy a whole new system,
but who wants to spend that kind of money ?


My point exactly. If I was going to have to replace as much as some said I
would, then I might as well trade cars. Might be cheaper. I just replaced
the Condenser core and had it recharged after pulling an overnight vacuum,
and it works great again. Good old R12.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 07:46:34 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - caddy engines and Stu

Sorry Stu. Just so you guys and gals know, Stu did his level best to get me
to forget the subject of putting anything but Ford on or in my Ford.

What brought up the question about powerplants was an invitation to show
Che ies that included any model of body powered by a Che y engine. I was
just curious about where the line was drawn and what the consensus was. I
agree with the list. Keep your Ford all Ford.

Since Stu is off becoming a papa, this one is for him: Nuke GM!!!!


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, no more evidence of the crash
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI E4OD
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:23:37 -0400
From: Mike Elmer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - The very very very last carb question

Ok Guys,I've located a bunch of 4bbls at a yard kinda close by.The guy said he had a
bunch off 428s or 460s(can't remember)and I could have my pick for $15 bucks.Is there
anything speical that I should look for oe stay away from.Thank's again.Mike
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:28:43 -0600
From: "Jamey Moss"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: fan shroud

Azie writes:
>
>Dan Jenkins writes:
>> ANyway, I've got a 400 automatic in my truck and I'm wondering what fan
>> shroud will fit the motor. Off of what trucks should I be looking for the
>> parts?
>
> Look for '77/'79 trucks with the 351m/400 or the 460. The FE's of earlier
> years might work, but I don't think so. Also the 80's might work, I'm not
> sure, but if the 80's have the standard down flow radiator they might work
> also. If they are cross flow I wouldn't think they would work, and I don't
> know which they have.

I think that any fan shroud from a truck with an FE engine or a 351M or 400
will work for you, but I'm just guessing. Here is my experience swapping fan shrouds:

My '67 F100 has a 400 in it (for now) and an automatic, and it had the same
radiator (roughly 26" 2-row) as my former '72 with a 390, so I took the fan
shroud from the 390 and installed it in my '67, and it works just fine with
the 400.

Since the fan shroud attaches to the radiator, just measure the mounting holes
on your radiator and make sure the shroud you find has holes in the same place
and it'll be fine. Also make sure you measure the clearance for the fan blades.


Jamey Moss

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:35:50 -0500 (CDT)
From: Jesus Cardoso
Subject: Re: Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1961 Ford Pickup

On Thu, 15 Oct 1998, eric wrote:
> >Any tips/advice on upgrading to an alternator?
>
> Why not keep the generator if it's working properly? If you do want to
> upgrade, maybe "Chuy" from the list can jump in and tell you the
> details, since I think he upgraded awhile back.
>
I decided to stick with the stock generator on my 63. So far I
have not had any problems with it. What I did "upgrade" in the 292 was
the ignition, I converted to an electronic ignition from a points system.
If you have any questions about the convertion please let me know, I
found it fairly easy to do.


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:42:49 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A/C compressors

Dale C. writes:>>Azie said;
>I'm not absolutely positive of this but I think all the 460's had the
round
>(GM) compressors. The very early 429's may have had the old York, and
this
>would be where to look if you wanted the York bracketry. All my 460's
have
>had the round type anyway, and I have them from '69 to late 70's.
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.

All 460's had the GM compressor's???? Everything (73-79) that I have
worked
on or seen around here, (Nebraska), has the York compressor and I've looked
at quite a few in the junkyards. In fact I can't remember ever seeing
anything else on a 73- 79 ford truck. Do you think this may have been
different depending upon what assembly plant the truck came
from?.........other explanations?????


I was strictly speaking of cars. The 460 trucks may have had the York.
I've only seen a couple of these (460 trucks) from the factory, and the A/C
compressor was not of importance to me at the time, so I have no idea what
type they may have had. Sorry if I didn't clarify, but I still am not
sure that all the 460's had the round (GM) type compressor, merely all that
I have had it. and I have one from a '69 and several from the mid 70's.
All have(had) the round compressors.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

Azie


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:00:12 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - The very very very last carb question

Date sent: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:23:37 -0400
From: Mike Elmer
Subject: FTE 61-79 - The very very very last carb question

> Ok Guys,I've located a bunch of 4bbls at a yard kinda close by.The guy
> said he had a bunch off 428s or 460s(can't remember)and I could have my
> pick for $15 bucks.Is there anything speical that I should look for oe
> stay away from.

For $15 I'll take all the rochesters you find on those fords :-) The 460's
came with both spreadbore and square bore motorcraft and autolite carbs so
you want to look for the type that fits your manifold. There are some
differences in them too and there is one I don't like too much but can't tell
you the numbers, I just don't like the accellerator pump linkage and it has
larger primaries than the one I have now (spreadbore). When I shop for
spreadbores I look for the smallest primaries I can get :-) (and largest
secondaries of course :-))


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Dad keeps the best part :-)

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:38:04 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - air compressors

I've been through a lot of junk yards and I have never found a truck with
the A6 GM compressor either. Someone on the list had said that Ford
licensed it for luxury cars. My best guess is that a car requires more
cooling capacity (larger volume of the passenger compartment) thus the use
of the A6. The A6 stands for Axial 6. The piston design is rather unusual.
It has 6 cylinders for compression, 3 on each side of a wobble plate. It
has no rods or cranks. This why it works the way it does with so little
vibration. I think that most of the smaller round copressors are based on
similar technology. I've looked at a lot of 351M/400M setups. The cars with
the A6 compressor have atottally different setup as in different brackets
for the AC and PS. The water pump casting is different. The condenser and
evaporator coils are different. The thermocouple is different. The hoses
are a different size and hook up differently. If you are going to change to
a different type of compressor, figure on a lot of work and some creative
fabrication.


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, no more evidence of the crash
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI E4OD
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:47:21 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - caddies one more time

Deacon, you explained that most eloquently and accurately.

Here is what the 79 Ford PU has going for it:
Twin I beam front suspension
Dual tanks on the same side of the truck
great styling

Here is what the Caddy 472 engine has going for it:
A6 air conditioner compressor fits easily (they all had them)
Quadrajet carb bolts up without adapters
More cubes than most production V8s

Some day after I win the lottery, I'll get another 79 F150 and a 73 Caddy
and Borg them.

BTW, did Ford make a 490 for a limited number of years for the Lincolns?


- -John

jlagrone ford-trucks.com
1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, no more evidence of the crash
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI E4OD
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:04:40 -0600
From: "Richard Currit"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 61-79-list-FUEL/SPARKS/TIMING?

>Thanks for the reply....what exactly do you mean by "running heat =
>through"
>the fuel system?

Sorry, I misspelled it. Its called "HEET". Its a gas additive that you =
can buy basically anywhere. You add it to your gas to dry the water out =
of the gas. If the previous owner was cheap about where he bought gas =
you could have quite a bit of water in it that might be the cause of some =
or all of you problems. Its also good to get the water out of the system =
before temps drop for the winter, its a true bummer to have your fuel =
system freeze up.
High Plains Richard
71 F-100 =20
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:24:13 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - buying ford truck

Thanks for your message at 07:47 AM 10/16/98 EDT, NUTCH11 aol.com. Your
message was:
>hi
>
>about buying a 60's ford truck, my feelings would be to stay away from
>unibodys.
>ford quit making them after a few years , i assume they figured something
out.

"You never go broke underestimating the American public." H.L. Mencken

Yeah, they figured that sales were down. People weren't buying them. The
American public doesn't always know (until it's too late) what it likes.
In this case it was way too late, about thirty years. Because they were
not big sellers, they are not as common now, which makes them more
desirable to certain people (me). IMHO, they are the most stylish of the
model years 61-66, with the smooth continuous linear body contour. I do
not believe they would be a desirable 4-wheel drive body, though. Not
enough body flex. In fact, they are just too damn pretty to be a work
truck at all! The most work mine does is eating up Ch***ys on the street.
Dennis L. Pearson
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:27:53 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - FMX?

>My understanding of the FMX (limited as it is), is that it was built as a
>high performance tranny for the small block's. Now that I think about it

I'm a little confused about what we're calling an FMX. I always thought
that it was an updated aluminun version of the 3-speed Fordomatic, that
was used in intermediate cars. What I've seen in early trucks is the
iron Cruiseomatic which is a Ford version of the Borg-Warner automatic
common in Ford, International, and some early Dodge Trucks. I think AMC
used it in cars until they went to the Torqueflite, and Ford used it
also in cars until the C-6 was born.


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:48:10 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FMX?

At 10:27 AM 10/16/98 , you wrote:
>>My understanding of the FMX (limited as it is), is that it was built as a
>>high performance tranny for the small block's. Now that I think about it
>
>I'm a little confused about what we're calling an FMX. I always thought
>that it was an updated aluminun version of the 3-speed Fordomatic, that
>was used in intermediate cars. What I've seen in early trucks is the
>iron Cruiseomatic which is a Ford version of the Borg-Warner automatic
>common in Ford, International, and some early Dodge Trucks. I think AMC
>used it in cars until they went to the Torqueflite, and Ford used it
>also in cars until the C-6 was born.
>
>
Hey that's it! Something wasn't sitting with me
right about calling the auto's in the early 60's trucks FMX's ... and
that's what it was ...

Here's another question, which autos when you put them into 2 will shift
between 1 and 2 ? Dad seemed to think all of them did until we took the
FMX and C6 out and tested it, when you put them in 2 its 2 ... the truck
really lets you know (bog!) when you put it in 2 instead of Drive.


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:54:07 -0400 (EDT)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 61-79-list-FUEL/SPARKS/TIMING?

Oh, ok. Thanks, that is a good idea, I never really thought about that.
>
> >Thanks for the reply....what exactly do you mean by "running heat >through"
> >the fuel system?
>
> Sorry, I misspelled it. Its called "HEET". Its a gas additive that you can buy basically anywhere. You add it to your gas to dry the water out of the gas. If the previous owner was cheap about where he bought gas you could have quite a bit of wate
r in it that might be the cause of some or all of you problems. Its also good to get the water out of the system before temps drop for the winter, its a true bummer to have your fuel system freeze up.
> High Plains Richard
> 71 F-100
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MOTHER, TELL YOUR CHILDREN NOT TO WALK MY WAY
TELL YOUR CHILDREN NOT TO HEAR MY WORDS
WHAT THEY MEAN, WHAT THEY SAY
MOTHER

MOTHER
CAN YOU KEEP THEM IN THE DARK FOR LIFE
CAN YOU HIDE THEM FROM THE WAITING WORLD
OH MOTHER

FATHER
GONNA TAKE YOUR DAUGHTER OUT TONIGHT
GONNA SHOW HER MY WORLD
OH FATHER

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:04:33 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - GM in a Ford?..a Real Sad Viginette

> Personally I don't care what people do to their cars/trucks so when
> I see a 350 in a Ford it no big thing to me. Why someone would put an
> undependable piece of junk in a Ford is beyond me but that's just an
> opinion. The answer to the question though is no it's not a Ford. Mixing
> chassis and power train makes it a bastard. Putting a GM power train in
> a Ford will confuse a Ford. It will wonder why it's parked all the time
> with broken parts when all the other Fords are out playing. :)

It could also likely cause gender confusuion. Built like a Ford, but
feeling atracted to watching those cute Ford taillights as they roar by.
The poor thing would probably sneak in and steal Ford trim from other's
garages to wear in secret. Believe me, from what I've read there would
be no sympathy for the poor thing from either side.

Yep, you'd find it someday at a fairground in a demolition derby,
letting all of the real Fords have their way with it.....

Sad, and so preventable......


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Come on over to my Back Porch
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:10:59 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - GM in a Ford? Ford in a GM?

At 11:04 AM 10/16/98 , you wrote:
>> Personally I don't care what people do to their cars/trucks so when
>> I see a 350 in a Ford it no big thing to me. Why someone would put an
>> undependable piece of junk in a Ford is beyond me but that's just an
>> opinion. The answer to the question though is no it's not a Ford. Mixing
>> chassis and power train makes it a bastard. Putting a GM power train in
>> a Ford will confuse a Ford. It will wonder why it's parked all the time
>> with broken parts when all the other Fords are out playing. :)
>

Seems like I saw in one of the magazines that there was a Suburban at a
show that had stenciled on the back of it "like a rock with a Ford block."
Intrigued they peeked under the hood to find a Ford 460! Thought that was
a pretty cool "upgrade" :) Seems like it was in Canada somewhere, but
again that was years ago that I saw that ... might be able to find it again
someday if I look hard enough...


Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:07:56 -0700
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '65 upgrades.

I am planning to upgrade to power disc brakes and power steering.
My truck is a '65 F100. Any advice?

A junkyard here says it can sell us the they entire I-beams from a disc
brake truck. That sounds easy sine we don't have to mess the king pin. Is it
true we may need different steering linkages?
-srw

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:28:28 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Paint codes and mixing numbers help!!

"Ted, I am THE Bendedict Arnold wrote":

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:58:26 -0400
From: "The Freeman Family"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Stu..Stu..Stu!

All this from a guy who shows up at the F-100 SuperNats in a GMC mini-van.
;-)

~~~
Okay Ted......Now you've gone to derned fer! Them's fightin words. 8^/
I am not even going to try to defend myself. It was 319 miles and that was
way too fer to walk. The old phrase "I'd rather push a Ford than Drive
(ride) a Chebby"
only is good for trips of 300 miles or less. It was my only way to the show!!!
We did bring back lots of goodies that were Ford parts!!! Good enough?

** The real question:
FTE Content. I went to the parts store to buy my Delstar PPG Acrylic enamel
paint today and their info doesn't go back further than 79. They needed a
paint code for mixing purposes. Paint code I have is "F".

The name of the paint from Ford (build sheet they sent) is called "Beige".

The name from the VIN decoding book is "Mohave Tan"

Is this one in the same paint??????

They also asked if I knew the mixing code. My decoding info from the trusty
decoding book of F-series trucks tells me it should be "F" but I need to be
sure.

Paint and body men come forth with a solution please. I need to order this
paint soon.
The body man is getting very ready to shoot.

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:07:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 78 Brake booster question

Mike asked:
> I believe my booster is leaking because even though the brakes seem to
> work fine, if I shut off the engine, I don't get ANY help. I belive
> there should be enough reserve vacuum to get a couple of pumps, right?
> I've been checking around for pricing on new ones and I'm curious if
> someone knows a test that I can perform at a junkyard to tell if one is
> decent or not.

There should be a check valve, usually where the vacuum hose enters
the booster. I had one fall apart on me once, I was actually able to
glue it back together and repair it .

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:18:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: vin# door tags

Bryan wrote:

> Jesus Cardoso [cardoso ee.tamu.edu] wrote:
>
> >>I asked this question a few months ago, but I never got a
> response. Does anyone know were I can get the VIN# door tag made
>
> My only suggestions would be to find a used one, then file off//cover over
> the old numbers with yours. Or if you like I could send you a scanned
> picture of the tag in my Ford Shop Manual, you could edit it appropriately
> then print onto a clear label and stick it to a peice of metal ...
>

While studying my Auto Krafters catalog last night, I noticed they offer
VIN tags for a limited number of models (66-67?). If you just want
something, then one of these would do (Jesus owns an earlier truck as I
recall). They also have the rivets. There is a link on the FTE page to
Auto Krafters.

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 10:24:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: fan shroud

Azie wrote:
> Looks like there have been several differences in the fan shroud so if it
> makes a difference my '74 that had one was an F-150 4X4 Ranger package
> with 360 - C6 - NP203(full time) with A/C, pwr brakes and steering.


> I'll bet that if anything made it standard it was the A/C.

Yea, that's why I mentioned my '68 had factory air. My '70 F-250 also
has a shroud, however, it doesn't have anything except power brakes (well,
yet). Maybe they were standard on F-250's?

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 14:01:30 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Trim those signatures

I've received several complaints about long signatures
at the end of some postings. Please try to keep your
signatures to a reasonably small size. Signature sizes
are getting out of hand. Our list archives are quite
large and our virtual server size is limited.

Along these lines, as my wife is found of saying...
"when you come to our house, we'd prefer it if you left
your pedigree at home."

Ken Payne
Admin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:36:00 -0500
From: Doug_Brodie oxy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - A/C compressors

- -----Original Message-----

Never tried to use the round type as an Air compressor, but I have done
several of the York types and had very good luck.

Considered switching to R134 this past summer when I lost the freon from
the family sedan, but decided against it after doing some investigating.
Got at least 5 different versions of what would work, and what would not
work, from people/companies that are in the business and should be aware.
I wish I knew more about chemistry, then I could make my own determination.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


KEEEWWWLLL!!!!!! Couple a more questions. When you set up the York as an air
compressor, did you have AC on the vehicle? Is there a way to hang another York
on the 400 to use for an air compressor and still have the one for the AC? I
have an acquaintance who is a Chemistry Ph.D. and I'll ask him if he will find
out about R134 for me and I'll let y'all know as soon as I find something out.


Doug in Texas
'79 F250 Supercab 4X4 400 C6
'93 Explorer XLT 4X4 4.0L Auto
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 12:10:32 +0000
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - buying ford truck

Dennis Pearson wrote:

>
>
> IMHO, they are the most stylish of the
> model years 61-66, with the smooth continuous linear body contour. I do
> not believe they would be a desirable 4-wheel drive body, though. Not
> enough body flex. In fact, they are just too damn pretty to be a work
> truck at all! The most work mine does is eating up Ch***ys on the street.
> Dennis L. Pearson

The Unibodies don't do well with flex. The big problem areas are right behind
the cab. Lots of cracks show up there. Also along the side panels of the bed
where all the tack welds are dimples show up


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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
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ICQ# 19575234

63 F-100 4x4 with 3/4 ton running gear and most of the trimmings.


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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 13:44:02 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FMX?

Thanks for your message at 10:48 AM 10/16/98 -0500, William S Hart. Your
message was:
>At 10:27 AM 10/16/98 , you wrote:
>Here's another question, which autos when you put them into 2 will shift
>between 1 and 2 ? Dad seemed to think all of them did until we took the
>FMX and C6 out and tested it, when you put them in 2 its 2 ... the truck
>really lets you know (bog!) when you put it in 2 instead of Drive.
>
Which, by the way is great for driving in the snow and ice...Easy
take-offs...
1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
1970 Marquis 429(destined for the Mustang)
1973 Mustang 302 (tired)
1962 Falcon 2-dr 6 cyl., AT
1996 Windstar
1981 Rabbit Convertible (How did that get in here?)
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:41:00 -0500
From: Doug_Brodie oxy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - air compressors

That answers my question about which would be better for AC. Thanks John!


Doug in Texas
'79 F250 Supercab 4X4 400 C6
'93 Explorer XLT 4X4 4.0L Auto (family car)


- -----Original Message-----
My best guess is that a car requires more cooling capacity (larger volume of the
passenger compartment) thus the use of the A6.
- -John
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:08:57 -0700
From: Marv Miller
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Rotten to the Core

> "Deacon" recently penned:

> > A rotted radiator is a problem that needs to be solved. :)

Oh, the stench of it all! Fermenting brass. Saaaaaay, does Steve use
this kind of setup in the picobrewery?

- -Marv-

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:16:06 -0400
From: "The Freeman Family"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Stu...Stu...Stu

Sorry man...couldn't resist!

By the way the A/C is working well. C-O-L-E-D A/C. Finally got it in and
charged. Nothing like good ole R12.

- -Ted
- -----Original Message-----
From: Stu Varner
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 12:28 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Paint codes and mixing numbers help!!


>"Ted, I am THE Bendedict Arnold wrote":
>
>Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:58:26 -0400
>From: "The Freeman Family"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Stu..Stu..Stu!
>
>All this from a guy who shows up at the F-100 SuperNats in a GMC mini-van.
>;-)
>
>~~~
>Okay Ted......Now you've gone to derned fer! Them's fightin words. 8^/
>I am not even going to try to defend myself. It was 319 miles and that was
>way too fer to walk. The old phrase "I'd rather push a Ford than Drive
>(ride) a Chebby"
>only is good for trips of 300 miles or less. It was my only way to the
show!!!
>We did bring back lots of goodies that were Ford parts!!! Good enough?
>



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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:18:15 -0400
From: "The Freeman Family"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Stu...Stu...Stu

This Bendedict Arnold can't spell either!
- -----Original Message-----
From: The Freeman Family
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 6:21 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Stu...Stu...Stu


>Sorry man...couldn't resist!
>
>By the way the A/C is working well. C-O-L-D A/C. Finally got it in and
>charged. Nothing like good ole R12.
>
>-Ted
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Stu Varner
>To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
>Date: Friday, October 16, 1998 12:28 PM
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Paint codes and mixing numbers help!!
>
>
>>"Ted, I am THE Bendedict Arnold wrote":
>>
>>Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:58:26 -0400
>>From: "The Freeman Family"
>>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Stu..Stu..Stu!
>>
>>All this from a guy who shows up at the F-100 SuperNats in a GMC mini-van.
>>;-)
>>
>>~~~
>>Okay Ted......Now you've gone to derned fer! Them's fightin words. 8^/
>>I am not even going to try to defend myself. It was 319 miles and that
was
>>way too fer to walk. The old phrase "I'd rather push a Ford than Drive
>>(ride) a Chebby"
>>only is good for trips of 300 miles or less. It was my only way to the
>show!!!
>>We did bring back lots of goodies that were Ford parts!!! Good enough?
>>
>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:14:16 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Removing Paint from Chrome Dash

On my '61, the dash section with the speedometer in it is painted white
with a few parts left bare to let the chrome show through. Now all the
paint is flaking off and whhere I can scratch it off with my fingernail
it is all nice, shiny chrome underneath. I think it would look really
cool to take off all the paint and have the whole panel be chrome. My
question is, how to do this without hurting the chrome underneath?
Also, how can I clean up the sections that are currently unpainted,
because they are showing some little rust spots.

Birken
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:03:22 -0500
From: "Philip D. Glickstein"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '75 F100

Please help.
I am working on a 1975 F100 with an inline 6, 300 CID and have
encountered an electrcal problem I can't solve. The truck was running
fine and just died. I checked the fule, got it... air, getting it...
fire, none! I have 12 volts going to the primary side of the ignition
coil when the key switch is on but no voltage at the secondary. I
jumped the gun and replaced the distrbutor because I made a quick
diagnosis. Yes, I learned my lesson in rushing things. The coil is
heating up when the key switch is left on for a few minutes. I took the
coil off my E150 and stuck it on the truck and still have the same
problem. I am stumped, confused or lost too many brain cells in my
mis-spent youth. Please help.

Thanks,

BlacKHawK
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:22:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Hogan & Associates Insurance Brokers
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 F250 starter update

Thanks to all for their suggestions about solving my starter problem.

Took the latest casualty back to Carquest today. The guy looked at the
nose and saw that the flywheel had contacted the housing just in front of
the nose bushing. The wear was not terribly significant, but is proof that
as was suggested in 2 posts either:
the shaft length is incorrect, the C6 460 unit having worked for Paul;
or
i may need nose shims installed; a motormite #72236 that Bob needed 2 of
to eliminate his bendix wear.

The Carquest guys know nothing about shims. i will check with Napa.

****re the dual tank switch topic*****

This 78 F250 Ranger standard cab has the main/aux switch on the right of the
Hi-LO heater controls. It also has a manual valve mounted below the seat
adjustment lever. this valve is a 3 way T. No fuel lines are attached to
it (it is outside the frame). I always thought this must have been intended
for an in-bed aux tank or a camper.

The aux tank gauge has never worked. When driving on the aux tank the
truck works fine below 35 mph. At higher speeds the motor gets starved for
fuel after about 5 minutes, so you switch back to the main. Seems like a
clogged vent line. yet even though there is a charcoal cannister, there are
no connections to it or lines routed from the tanks to the right frame side
where they could go to the cannister.

Presently the cannister just has a line from the carb bowl vent connected to
it and a jumper over the other 2 nipples.

I suppose I have to dismount the rear tank to fix the guage and search for a
vent. Maybe once I get this starter problem solved...

Thanks again to Ken and everyone on this list.

Les Hogan








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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 06:45:23 -0600
From: Kirk Baillie
Subject: FTE 61-79 - help--- body lift experts

I just finished the lift of the box (2") and need some help/advice for
the cab (2"). What has to be done to the steering shaft.... when the
lift is performed. Also what about the console shifter linkage, can
anything be done.

Thanks

Kirk Baillie
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:20:10 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Work, Lists and decisions......

Forwarded for: "Gary, 78 BBB"

Well gang(s), I'm going to be uns*bscribing soon to work on a new data
base for the tool room. I just went to the book store to get the list of books
I'll need to develope it in Access 97 ($250 worth). We will be using ODBC
in this version and hopefully compiling it into a stand alone which I never got
around to last time. This version is also very VB dependent so I'll have to
learn that too.

Anyway I have to be in a rubber room to program so I'll have to eliminate the
distractions of the lists while I'm working on it. They'll be updating my
computer to 233 mh pentium and windows 95 with Office 97 professional.
They're also moving us over to NT servers and the whole plant will soon be
totally client/server on an NT network system. When that happens I'll be
saying good by for a while till I get it done. I'll stay on the core and perf lists
to just keep a hand in but can't handle the traffic of the the two larger lists. I
still have 500 posts to dig through from the last two weekends I took off so
I'll be working on them this weekend since the lists have slowed down some.

I'll post again the day I uns*bscribe :-(

son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
Dad keeps the best part :-)

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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 22:12:27 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: Off-road list vote

Check out the voting center on the web site. There's a
new vote in place as to whether you'd like to see FTE
start a off-road/4x4 list.

Ken Payne
CoAdmin, Ford Truck Enthusiasts
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 19:52:00 EDT
From: RodCarlton aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1971 4dr cab

Do any of you on the list know where I could buy good 4dr cab 67-72 for a
good price in Florida or south Georgia.If you do please send e-
mail.RodCarlton aol.com
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:06:30 +0000
From: Don Grossman
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - '75 F100

"Philip D. Glickstein" wrote:

> Please help.
> I am working on a 1975 F100 with an inline 6, 300 CID and have
> encountered an electrcal problem I can't solve. The truck was running
> fine and just died. I checked the fule, got it... air, getting it...
> fire, none! I have 12 volts going to the primary side of the ignition
> coil when the key switch is on but no voltage at the secondary. I
> jumped the gun and replaced the distrbutor because I made a quick
> diagnosis. Yes, I learned my lesson in rushing things. The coil is
> heating up when the key switch is left on for a few minutes. I took the
> coil off my E150 and stuck it on the truck and still have the same
> problem. I am stumped, confused or lost too many brain cells in my
> mis-spent youth. Please help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> BlacKHawK

Have you checked the ignition module?

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Don Grossman
duckdon pacific.net
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pacific.net/~duckdon
ICQ# 19575234

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Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 00:16:44 -0500
From: ballingr ldd.net (William L Ballinger)
Subject: FTE 61-79 - If It's Really Varner Where's the Cigar?

> How can I ever trust you after this. You've hurt me Stu. You've really
> hurt me. (sob sob sob sniff sniff)

Now, now, Deacon, just settle down. We aren't sure it's really Stu who
said all of this. I think that aliens have abducted him and put a very
sick, twisted clone in his place. This happens alot in Tennessee. Time
will tell if it's really him. I'm suspicious because the normal cigar
smoke in his messages is missing. At least it gives us reason for hope.....


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