61-79-list-digest Friday, October 16 1998 Volume 02 : Number 489



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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472
FTE 61-79 - Re: Fan shroud
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve trouble
FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: T-shirt contest, cheating
Re: FTE 61-79 - Fan shroud
Re: FTE 61-79 - 61-79-list-FUEL/SPARKS/TIMING?
FTE 61-79 - shaft rockers
FTE 61-79 - tuning
Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: lifters and pushrods
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve trouble
FTE 61-79 - Sleddog
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve trouble
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve trouble
FTE 61-79 - A/C compressors
FTE 61-79 - Fan shroud
FTE 61-79 - 61-79-list-Carter Web Site Address
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve trouble
Re: FTE 61-79 - R12-134a
FTE 61-79 - RE: FMX ??'s
FTE 61-79 - rebuild steering column
FTE 61-79 - R12-134a
[none]
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve trouble
Re: FTE 61-79 - on board air again
Re: FTE 61-79 - Sleddog
FTE 61-79 - Re: Stu..Stu..Stu!
FTE 61-79 - Re: CarRestore Software
FTE 61-79 - Cargo Lamp
FTE 61-79 - Ford in Ford
FTE 61-79 - R12 & R134a conversion, A/C Compressors
FTE 61-79 - Quarter Panel
FTE 61-79 - Flywheel
FTE 61-79 - A/C compressor
FTE 61-79 - Info needed on Autoscan
FTE 61-79 - Re:
Re: FTE 61-79 - A/C compressor
FTE 61-79 - Re: A/C compressor
RE:FTE 61-79 - Carter Web Site Address

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:32:02 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472

From: John LaGrone
>So, is a Caddy powered Ford still a Ford?

Personally I don't care what people do to their cars/trucks so when
I see a 350 in a Ford it no big thing to me. Why someone would put an
undependable piece of junk in a Ford is beyond me but that's just an
opinion. The answer to the question though is no it's not a Ford. Mixing
chassis and power train makes it a bastard. Putting a GM power train in
a Ford will confuse a Ford. It will wonder why it's parked all the time
with broken parts when all the other Fords are out playing. :)

Stu was talking about this? Nuke GM Stu? You must be talking about
another Stu. "]

Deacon
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:06:11 -0700 (PDT)
From: Pat Brown
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Fan shroud

Azie wrote:

> Drew writes: >>Does anybody know when Ford started putting fan shrouds on
> pickups?
>
> My '74 had one.
>

My '70 (F250/360) has one, and I am pretty sure my '68 (f100/390/Ranger)
had one. The '68 also had (factory/dealer) air.

Pat Brown
Sebastopol, California

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:08:34 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve trouble

From: Dugnla aol.com
Date sent: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:08:19 EDT
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve trouble

> the vavles rattle when the truck reaches cruising speed what ever speed
> limit maybe. it didnt start until after i changed the vac adv dia cause

If you have properly set the initial timing with vac disconnected and have the
vac connected to the correct port for your application then you probably
have the wrong vac. It sounds like it's pulling in way too much advance at
cruise. The spring can be adusted but if you are getting spark knock at
cruise without stepping on it it's WAY off so probably won't come in with
an adjustment.

A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
Dad keeps the best part :-)

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:26:59 -0400
From: Ken Payne
Subject: FTE 61-79 - ADMIN: T-shirt contest, cheating

The voting for the t-shirt on the web site is being removed due to
several people cheating.

Nearly 10 people have cheated and voted multiple times. One person
even voted 9 times. The voting results are going in the trash
since it seems that some of the list members can't be honest about
this.

I knew there was a potential for cheating because I use IPs instead
of cookies to track who voted. All most users have to do is hang
up, dial in and they have another IP. However, its quite obvious
whats going on when we have several users on the list with an uncommon
host address and their host address shows up many times in the IP log.

Once I have a solution to prevent dishonesty, I'll let everyone know.

Ken,
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:41:36 EDT
From: bobherring juno.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Fan shroud

>>Drew writes: >>Does anybody know when Ford started putting fan shrouds
on
>>pickups?
>>
>>My '74 had one.
>>Azie
My '72 with the 240-I6 didn't have one.

Bobby Herring
'64 F100 short-wide, was 292 Y-block/3speed,
motor in pieces, make me an offer
'72 F100 400/C6 in progress
'93 Ranger V6/Auto/Super cab

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:48:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 61-79-list-FUEL/SPARKS/TIMING?

Thanks for the reply....what exactly do you mean by "running heat through"
the fuel system?
>
> >I have an Edelbrock carb, I didn't put it in it, it was installed when I
> >bought it about a month ago. I had to install and inline fuel filter
> >yesterday because I couldn't fine one to fit the carb. I think that it's
> >running a bit rich, there's a hint of white smoke coming from one of hte
> >pipes.
>
> Just to clarify, white smoke doesn't come from running rich. If you are running rich the smoke will be black. My experience says that white is usually condensation or water. I don't know where you live (as in is it getting cold there?) but have you r
an some "heat" through your fuel system? Since you haven't had the truck that long, it wouldn't be a bad idea.
>
> High Plains Richard
> '72 F-100
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- --


MOTHER, TELL YOUR CHILDREN NOT TO WALK MY WAY
TELL YOUR CHILDREN NOT TO HEAR MY WORDS
WHAT THEY MEAN, WHAT THEY SAY
MOTHER

MOTHER
CAN YOU KEEP THEM IN THE DARK FOR LIFE
CAN YOU HIDE THEM FROM THE WAITING WORLD
OH MOTHER

FATHER
GONNA TAKE YOUR DAUGHTER OUT TONIGHT
GONNA SHOW HER MY WORLD
OH FATHER

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:31:40 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - shaft rockers

OOPS!!!!!

At least we now have the full details. That's what so great about FTE. I
learn something everyday.

A flame from Deacon is a trophy to cherish............


- -John

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1979 F150 Custom 351M C6, no more evidence of the crash
http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI E4OD
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:03:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: FTE 61-79 - tuning

My truck needs a good tune up, possibly a vacuum leak somewhere....not
sure. It's a 79 460 bbl. Any tips for tuning up?







---JUSTIN --


MOTHER, TELL YOUR CHILDREN NOT TO WALK MY WAY
TELL YOUR CHILDREN NOT TO HEAR MY WORDS
WHAT THEY MEAN, WHAT THEY SAY
MOTHER

MOTHER
CAN YOU KEEP THEM IN THE DARK FOR LIFE
CAN YOU HIDE THEM FROM THE WAITING WORLD
OH MOTHER

FATHER
GONNA TAKE YOUR DAUGHTER OUT TONIGHT
GONNA SHOW HER MY WORLD
OH FATHER

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:12:36 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - RE: lifters and pushrods

>As I recall ALL FEs have shaft mounted rockers. The solid lifter versions
>have adjustment (screws, nuts bolts?) on the pushrod end of the rocker
>itself. Hydraulic lifters don't need adjustment because they have a
>pre-load and are sort of self adjusting. The solid lifters must have a
>small clearance (the gap that you adjust) to ensure that the valve will
>fully close and no combustion gasses escape and burn the valves. I guess as
>the components wear there is nothing to take up the slack so periodic
>readjustment is required.
>

What we are taught in our engineering classes (or were in my case) is that
the slack needs to be in there so that as everything heats up (and hence
expands) the slack will be taken up, and by the same token the valve will
still close all the way. Periodic adjustment would be required because of
wear, both physical and the heat cycling (check out an exhaust manifold
bolt, that's a perfect example)

Hydraulic lifters also need some slack for the same reason, but since the
fluid is "compressible" or at least has an escape route, then some of this
can be taken up in the lifter itself.

Anyway hope this clears up stuff for some people, I can explain it in a
little more detail if someone needs me to (private email would probably be
best for that)

wish iastate.edu
Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:20:03 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve trouble

valve rattle or valve ping? Had a car that drove me crazy
with valve rattle at cruising speed. Finally figure out that the radiator
was clogged just enough to let it run a little warmer causing valve ping.

Rotted the rad. and problem solved.


Just a thought.


At 01:08 PM 10/15/98 +0000, you wrote:
>From: Dugnla aol.com
>Date sent: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 23:08:19 EDT
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve trouble
>
>> the vavles rattle when the truck reaches cruising speed what ever speed
>> limit maybe. it didnt start until after i changed the vac adv dia cause
>
>If you have properly set the initial timing with vac disconnected and have
the
>vac connected to the correct port for your application then you probably
>have the wrong vac. It sounds like it's pulling in way too much advance at
>cruise. The spring can be adusted but if you are getting spark knock at
>cruise without stepping on it it's WAY off so probably won't come in with
>an adjustment.
>
>A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
>Dad keeps the best part :-)
>
>-- Gary --
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:42:40 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Sleddog

Haven't seen much from Sleddog lately....

Is he still here???

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:45:51 -0500 (CDT)
From: bkirking bcm.tmc.edu
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve trouble

>>Rotted the rad. and problem solved.

Isn't there a Ch*vy list for telling rotten Ford stories?

..Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'm just feeling a little spunky after getting my truck
all back together and working!


Bryan Kirking
66 Step Side
352 4 speed
Houston, Texas


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:12:37 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve trouble

OK Bryan owe you one. Good to see you in such a good mood.

Larry


At 01:45 PM 10/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>
>>>Rotted the rad. and problem solved.
>
>Isn't there a Ch*vy list for telling rotten Ford stories?
>
>..Sorry, I couldn't resist. I'm just feeling a little spunky after
getting my truck
>all back together and working!
>
>
>Bryan Kirking
>66 Step Side
>352 4 speed
>Houston, Texas
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:21:56 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A/C compressors

Doug writes: >>Do you have an opinion as to which compressor is better for
AC? How much
trouble would it be to change out a York for the GM type and use my York
for air
compression? What do you know about switching to R134? Any advice on
either
subject would be appreciated.

Had good luck with both as A/C unit compressors.

Never tried to use the round type as an Air compressor, but I have done
several of the York types and had very good luck.

Considered switching to R134 this past summer when I lost the freon from
the family sedan, but decided against it after doing some investigating.
Got at least 5 different versions of what would work, and what would not
work, from people/companies that are in the business and should be aware.
I wish I knew more about chemistry, then I could make my own determination.
Oh well!!
Please note that family sedan is M*PAR. I don't think it would matter, but
thought I should clarify.

Hope this helps.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:29:08 -0400
From: am14 chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fan shroud

Dan Jenkins writes: >>ANyway, I've got a 400 automatic in my truck
and I'm wondering what fan shroud will fit the motor. Off of what trucks
should I be looking for the parts?

Look for '77/'79 trucks with the 351m/400 or the 460. The FE's of earlier
years might work, but I don't think so. Also the 80's might work, I'm not
sure, but if the 80's have the standard down flow radiator they might work
also. If they are cross flow I wouldn't think they would work, and I don't
know which they have.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:29:53 -0600
From: "Richard Currit"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 61-79-list-Carter Web Site Address

>Carter is now owned by Federal Mogul. You can find info about >Carter =
carbs at the Federal Mogul web site.

>"AFB" is a Carter trademark, now owned by Federal Mogul. There is >no =
Edelbrock AFB. The designs of the Carter AFB and Edelbrock >carbs are =
very similar.

Thanks for the info Dave, I knew Carter had been bought and from the =
similarities had assumed that it was by Edelbrock. Its good to know the =
straight poop!!!
High Plains Richard
'72 F-100
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 12:12:10 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve trouble

>Rotted the rad. and problem solved

You rod a radiator by removing the tanks and push a rod through the
tubes to remove blockages. A rotted radiator is a problem that needs to
be solved. :)

Deacon
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:46:30 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - R12-134a

>Considered switching to R134 this past summer when I lost the freon from
>the family sedan, but decided against it after doing some investigating.
>Got at least 5 different versions of what would work, and what would not
>work, from people/companies that are in the business and should be aware.
>I wish I knew more about chemistry, then I could make my own determination.
>Oh well!!
>Please note that family sedan is M*PAR. I don't think it would matter, but
>thought I should clarify.
>

I'm not real up on the chemistry, but what I was told (by someone who did
this stuff on the side), and what we recommended when I worked at the parts
store was to have the system evacuated, replace all the seals in the lines,
and to drain and replace all the oil in the compressor. The draining and
changing seals in the lines was to avoid contaminating the system. I don't
know what you were told, but to me this seemed like one of the safest bets.
The best would probably be to buy a whole new system, but who wants to
spend that kind of money ?


Just my 2cents

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:42:48 -0600
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: FMX ??'s

I have an FMX that came stock in my "67 F100. It's quite the beast. It's
heavy, and it leaks (what auto tranny doesn't??) but I have no complaints
with it. Before I put the truck on the road a buddy of mine went through it
and put a paper and rubber kit in it just 'cause it was apart, but there
was nothing internal wrong with it.

At 32 years old, God only knows where it's been and what it's been put
through, but it's still under there. There is some pump whine occasionally
when shifting from reverse into drive, but I've heard that this is not
uncommon in the FMX.

I'm changing it out next summer with the C6, but that is mostly for saving
weight and getting a completely rebuilt tranny in it. My limited experience
with it has been to check the fluid and drive it into the ground.

Just one opinion,

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net


>Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:32:31 -0500
>From: William S Hart
>Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FMX ??'s

>I don't want to start a huge flame war, but all I've heard about lately is
>supposed reliablitly problems with the FMX, though no one seems to
actually
>have them.

>My understanding of the FMX (limited as it is), is that it was built as a
>high performance tranny for the small block's. Now that I think about it
I
>don't even know how old the tranny is, I mean when it was first put in
>service, our 69 Cougars both have/had them, the 70 Torino, and even the 74
>Elite (parts car) has one if I remember right. As far as I know we've
>never had any problems with them, and our Cougar can get a second gear
>scratch when its left in drive. Not that this means it will last, just
>that it shifts pretty solid.

>I guess I was just wondering if a lot of people had actually had problems
>with the FMX, or if it was just that people didn't trust it (because its
>different, or unknown or some other reason).


>Hope that makes sense, if you want to email me directly, feel free.

>Just my 2cents

>Bill

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:54:03 -0600
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - rebuild steering column

My steering column on my '67 is showing its age. It need new bearings. Is
there anybody here who has done one (it's automatic column shift, BTW) who
can tell me if I need the bearing sleeves or not? I have the bearings and
the lower bearing retainer, but I'm not sure if I need the sleeves or not.

Thanks for any help,

Drew Beatty
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 13:07:48 -0700
From: Eric Donaldson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - R12-134a

My expert told me that I can continue to use the original "lawn mower"
compressor and evaporator and that the system would work but that if I
wanted an efficient system he would install a larger condenser, modify
the expansion valve and, just to be on the safe side, use new hoses and
seals.

Eric
'66 Mercury 250
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 15:39:37 -0600 (CST)
From: Stu Varner
Subject: [none]

Big John LaGrone wrote:
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:31:32 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472

Funny, Stu and I had just been e-mailing privately about just such a
project. FYI, the 472, 500 and 425 Caddies all look alike externally. 472
started in 67 in the Eldo, 68 in everything else. 500 started in the Eldo
around 71 or 72, full line in 75 and 76. 77-79 all had 425. There were
other engine options through these years like diesels and fuel injected
Olds 350s. An early 472 versus a 460 in the same style and comparably
equipped FORD truck would be quite a match IMHO.

So, is a Caddy powered Ford still a Ford?


- - -John

It's true, John and I have been chatting about the Caddy issue in a ford
truck......
BUT, Let me be very clear here fellas, I didn't say I was in favor of GM
stuff going in
any Ford truck or Ford product. Just that we had been chatting off list
about such things. :)

You know, That's how terrible rumors start about Diehard Ford people!!!!!
Geez John, taking my name in vain on the list, shame shame shame!!!

I'd sure as the devil hate for anyone to get the wrong idea about my love,
er, uh,....
I mean, special fondness of GM stuff. ;^(
But, let me say this, It would make for an interesting vehicle. Caddy
engines tend to be a little special. Just a little. At least they aren't
cookie cutter GM products.

Now, IMHO, is a Caddy powered Ford still a Ford? Heck no!! Let there Be no
mistakin' the idea you can put another brand engine in a Ford and still call
it a Ford.

Amen to you, Brother Gary Peters, up in Michigan for your humble sermon on
what a FTE really is!!

Not a slight or hammer to you John :)

Recently, I saw some local high schooler who'd found a nice '69 model Effie
the other day, put a beautiful calypso green coral paint job on it and
dropped in a SB Chebby. I flagged him down so I could take a look,

(Anyone else do such crazy things??)

When I saw the SB Chebby engine and gasped for my last breath, He said,
"just couldn't figure Ford engines out!?" Made me want to puke!
Deacon, where's your dog Chunks when you need him??
Really, it made me want to buy him a Ford engine to drop in for him!

All of this of course is just My very very humble opinion!!
I do have my asbestos suit on as Parent teacher conferences are going on all
day long til 8 pm. ;^|


Please no threats of death or malicious acts against my life. Please.
My wife just informed me the early stages of labor are coming on so I may be
absent for a few weeks. Yes Deacon, I am heading to the Dr. for that
plumbing job!

Stu
Nuke GM!
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 16:09:07 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve trouble

You know us texan's, always using the wrong word choice.

But I'm a fixin to correct that anyhow.



At 12:12 PM 10/15/98 -0700, you wrote:
>>Rotted the rad. and problem solved
>
> You rod a radiator by removing the tanks and push a rod through the
>tubes to remove blockages. A rotted radiator is a problem that needs to
>be solved. :)
>
>Deacon
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 14:38:42 -0700
From: sdelanty sonic.net
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - on board air again

> Got my compressor in last night. Since I did not originally have air,

>Soon as I powered up the clutch the comp spewed oil all
>over the fan shroud and rad support. I'm not sure how long the oil is
>gonna last, but it seemed to stop spewing after running a couple
>seconds. It seems to shoot oil for a spell after the clutch engages, but
>seems to be decreasing in the amount of oil it spews each time. I'm
>hoping it just had a lot of oil inside the cyl due to me having the comp
>upside down. I picked up an inline filter with a drain on it.

Yeah, if the pump is laid down on it's side for a while it may puke oil
when you first start it up.
The York pumps have 2 small resorvoirs in them, one on the air inlet side
and one on the outlet side. These can fill up with oil if the pump is laid
on it's side. Especially the inlet side reservoir since the crankcase is
vented into it.
Since the crankcase is vented into the pump inlet, they can also blow
a little oil if the pump is worn or overfull of oil. I added an external
crankcase vent to my York which pretty much eliminated oil carryover into
the outlet air. I highly recommend an external vent if you are going to
use your pump a lot...

> How do you get oil back in to the compressor?

There should be two o-ringed plugs, one on each side of the crankcase that
you can remove to get oil back in to it.
Remember that the oil used in the pumps is a mineral oil... if you are just
topping up the oil level, you should go to a refrigeration shop and get the
right oil for it.
If you take the head and sump off the pump and clean all the mineral oil
out of the pump then you can refill it with regular 20 weight non-detergent
motor oil. That's what I did with mine, and while I had the sump plate off I
tapped the crankcase for a drain plug and an oil level check plug, and added
the external crankcase vent. It only took a few minutes while the pump was
apart for cleaning, and now I can easily check and change the oil...



Steve
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Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to
recognize a mistake when you make it again.
-- F. P. Jones


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:53:50 -0400
From: "The Freeman Family"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Sleddog

I believe Sleddog went solely to the perf list. I've seen him there a few
times. I believe he's very busy with his pulling schedule.

- -Ted
- -----Original Message-----
From: BDIJXS aol.com
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 2:43 PM
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Sleddog


>Haven't seen much from Sleddog lately....
>
>Is he still here???
>
>Colorado Jeff
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:58:26 -0400
From: "The Freeman Family"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: Stu..Stu..Stu!

All this from a guy who shows up at the F-100 SuperNats in a GMC mini-van.
;-)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Stu Varner
To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 4:39 PM


>Big John LaGrone wrote:
>Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:31:32 -0500
>From: John LaGrone
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472
>
>Funny, Stu and I had just been e-mailing privately about just such a
>project. FYI, the 472, 500 and 425 Caddies all look alike externally. 472
>started in 67 in the Eldo, 68 in everything else. 500 started in the Eldo
>around 71 or 72, full line in 75 and 76. 77-79 all had 425. There were
>other engine options through these years like diesels and fuel injected
>Olds 350s. An early 472 versus a 460 in the same style and comparably
>equipped FORD truck would be quite a match IMHO.
>
>So, is a Caddy powered Ford still a Ford?
>
>
>- -John
>
>It's true, John and I have been chatting about the Caddy issue in a ford
>truck......
>BUT, Let me be very clear here fellas, I didn't say I was in favor of GM
>stuff going in
>any Ford truck or Ford product. Just that we had been chatting off list
>about such things. :)
>
>You know, That's how terrible rumors start about Diehard Ford people!!!!!
>Geez John, taking my name in vain on the list, shame shame shame!!!
>
>I'd sure as the devil hate for anyone to get the wrong idea about my love,
>er, uh,....
> I mean, special fondness of GM stuff. ;^(
>But, let me say this, It would make for an interesting vehicle. Caddy
>engines tend to be a little special. Just a little. At least they aren't
>cookie cutter GM products.
>
>Now, IMHO, is a Caddy powered Ford still a Ford? Heck no!! Let there Be
no
>mistakin' the idea you can put another brand engine in a Ford and still
call
>it a Ford.
>
>Amen to you, Brother Gary Peters, up in Michigan for your humble sermon on
>what a FTE really is!!
>
>Not a slight or hammer to you John :)
>
>Recently, I saw some local high schooler who'd found a nice '69 model
Effie
>the other day, put a beautiful calypso green coral paint job on it and
>dropped in a SB Chebby. I flagged him down so I could take a look,
>
>(Anyone else do such crazy things??)
>
>When I saw the SB Chebby engine and gasped for my last breath, He said,
>"just couldn't figure Ford engines out!?" Made me want to puke!
>Deacon, where's your dog Chunks when you need him??
>Really, it made me want to buy him a Ford engine to drop in for him!
>
>All of this of course is just My very very humble opinion!!
>I do have my asbestos suit on as Parent teacher conferences are going on
all
>day long til 8 pm. ;^|
>
>
>Please no threats of death or malicious acts against my life. Please.
>My wife just informed me the early stages of labor are coming on so I may
be
>absent for a few weeks. Yes Deacon, I am heading to the Dr. for that
>plumbing job!
>
>Stu
>Nuke GM!
>http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.pscico.com/stu
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:33:24 -0500
From: "Dennis K. Austin"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: CarRestore Software

Hello Ken & Folks!

I have been real busy working on a new website and have not been keeping up with FTE. I
alsoo built a new computer and have managed to get 115.2 compression connections to the
web.
Have you guys seen this software for tracking a restoration of a vehicle?
Visit:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://members.tripod.com/~woodyg/carestore.html

My new website is for selling $35,000 motorcycles is at ...

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.confedmcshv.com



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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:30:16 EDT
From: BDIJXS aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Cargo Lamp

Seems like I've seen several people looking for cargo lamps...well, our (Dave
R. and mine) junkyard is going out of business, so I was scrounging as many
truck parts as I could, and lo and behold, I found the entire cargo light
setup from a 77, it has the switch behind the door near the driver's
head.....anyone interested???

All it will cost is a beer sometime...

Send me a message if interested.

Colorado Jeff
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 17:03:24 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Ford in Ford

"if a ford engine isn't good enough for you then the ford
chassis certainly isn't good enough for such a prestigeous engine IMHO "
I have heard guys say"Fords are too expensive to hop up that"s why I
put a c #$% in it" while they are leaning on the fender of thier $50K 32
Ford.
"I would have put a Ford in it but it wouldn"t fit" while parked next
to basicaly the same car with a Ford in it.
I have seen the ultimate slap in the face ..Ford ovals on c&%# valve
covers.
If I were king the only exception to the Ford in Ford rule would be
a 392 Hemi, but only with prior approval of course.
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:10:38 -0500
From: Dayton Boyd
Subject: FTE 61-79 - R12 & R134a conversion, A/C Compressors

>>Considered switching to R134 this past summer when I lost the freon from
>>the family sedan, but decided against it after doing some investigating.
>>Got at least 5 different versions of what would work, and what would not
>>work, from people/companies that are in the business and should be aware.
>>I wish I knew more about chemistry, then I could make my own determination.
>>Oh well!!
>>Please note that family sedan is M*PAR. I don't think it would matter, but
>>thought I should clarify.
>>
>I'm not real up on the chemistry, but what I was told (by someone who did
>this stuff on the side), and what we recommended when I worked at the parts
>store was to have the system evacuated, replace all the seals in the lines,
>and to drain and replace all the oil in the compressor. The draining and
>changing seals in the lines was to avoid contaminating the system. I don't
>know what you were told, but to me this seemed like one of the safest bets.
>The best would probably be to buy a whole new system, but who wants to
>spend that kind of money ?

I work at an auto shop, and we do air, R12 and R134a, sometimes even R14
(pretty rare), anyways, we have done a few conversions, theres not a whole
lot to it. You have to replace all the o-rings, fittings, clean the old
system and oil flush it. The orface tubes have to be replaced. The only
reason you have to do this is that if even a TINY amount of R12 mixes with
R134a, it will form some type of contaminent, and will seriously damage the
pump, and abount everything else. But if its done right, you wont have any
problem. If you ever do any air work youself, be very carefull how much
freon you put in, we had a D*dge ram come in today that took 2 lbs, and he
had 4 lbs, the pressurized side of the system was pegging a 500 psi guage,
almost tore alot up. Like I said, its not a real big deal to convert, just
kinda exspensive.. :)

On A/C compressors, the round GM will work for a air compressor, if you
have oil come into the pump with the air, and sent back to a tank before it
reaches the lines, its alot of trouble, but I have seen it done. The old
M*par compressors will work something like a York, but of course, its alot
of trouble to make it work with Ford brackety...




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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:25:09 -0500
From: "Eric Washburn"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Quarter Panel

Hi! I have a 1967 F100 Custom Cab with a long bed. Some lady in a new
Metro hit me on my driver's side. She was going pretty fast, but luckily
no one got hurt, and her car was made almost of plastic. It caused damage
to my door, cab, and quarter panel. I fixed the door and the cab, and I was
wondering how I could replace my quarter panel. It just damaged the bottom
part. Any help would be appreciated.


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 19:27:50 PDT
From: "WILLIAM WHITED"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Flywheel

It's been awhile since I've posted anything. I'm here in lovely GTMO
(Guantanamo Bay Cuba) had to leave my baby in the states, as luck would
have I just have bought a 79 Explorer Super Cab with a 302. The problem
is it will not start,(that's why I got a good deal). It will turn over
and it sounds like the starter is turning and grinding the flywheel. I
haven't been able to look underneath it or anything yet, just got it
tonight. I think it is the flywheel, if so how hard is that to change
out? I will have to wait awhile for the part to come in. If it's not
the flywheel whatelse may it be? thanks in advance for any info.

Tony

74 F100 RANGER SUPER CAB 390
79 F150 EXPLORER SUPER CAB 302
"IT DON'T GTMO BETTER THEN THIS SEMPER FI"


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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:44:31 -0500
From: "Dale and Donna Carmine"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A/C compressor

Azie said;
>I'm not absolutely positive of this but I think all the 460's had the round
>(GM) compressors. The very early 429's may have had the old York, and this
>would be where to look if you wanted the York bracketry. All my 460's have
>had the round type anyway, and I have them from '69 to late 70's.
>Azie
>Ardmore, Al.

All 460's had the GM compressor's???? Everything (73-79) that I have worked
on or seen around here, (Nebraska), has the York compressor and I've looked
at quite a few in the junkyards. In fact I can't remember ever seeing
anything else on a 73- 79 ford truck. Do you think this may have been
different depending upon what assembly plant the truck came
from?.........other explanations?????

later,
dale c

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:33:46 EDT
From: LeeCraner aol.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Info needed on Autoscan

I have an automotive electrical system tester (battery/charging system) made
by Autoscan of Los Angeles. Does anyone know what happened to these folks.
My F250 needs some diagonstics and I need some questions answered :)

Thanks
Lee
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:38:42 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re:

From: Stu Varner
>It's true, John and I have been chatting about the Caddy issue in a
>ford truck......

Oh God it's true. Stu how could you! (sob sob sob sniff sniff) I thought
I knew you. Wwwhy dddidn't you tell me yyyyourssself? I hadd to hear it
from Jooooooohn.

>BUT, Let me be very clear here fellas, I didn't say I was in favor of
>GM stuff going in

Don't even!!!

>Geez John, taking my name in vain on the list, shame shame shame!!!


Do not try and blame John for you unfaithfulness you, you, you Malibu
lover!

>Really, it made me want to buy him a Ford engine to drop in for him!

Why, did you want his Chevy engine to finish the restoration of your
truck?

>Deacon, where's your dog Chunks when you need him??

You leave Chunks out of this. (private joke not suitable for the list)

>Please no threats of death or malicious acts against my life. Please.

How can I ever trust you after this. You've hurt me Stu. You've really
hurt me. (sob sob sob sniff sniff)


>Yes Deacon, I am heading to the Dr. for that plumbing job!

I can do that for you. Really, I know how! ;]

>My wife just informed me the early stages of labor are coming on so I
>may be absent for a few weeks.

Good luck Bro.

Deacon
deconblu gte.net http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://home1.gte.net/deconblu/
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Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 01:18:14 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - A/C compressor

My 74 F-350 w/ 460 has the York compressor. It's laying on its side right
above the power steering pump.

Darrell Duggan aka JUMPINFORD AOL.com
74 F-350 RangerXLT Super Camper Special "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:39:58 -0700
From: Vogt Family
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Re: A/C compressor....


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