FTE 61-79 - 1961 Ford Pickup

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61-79-list-digest Thursday, October 15 1998 Volume 02 : Number 488

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In this issue:

Re: FTE 61-79 - Spreadbore ?s
FTE 61-79 - Spreadbores
FTE 61-79 - Adjustable rockers
Re: FTE 61-79 - lifters and pushrods
FTE 61-79 - A/C compressor
FTE 61-79 - Fan shroud
FTE 61-79 - smoke
FTE 61-79 - sympathy
FTE 61-79 - '61 Ford Pickup
RE: FTE 61-79 - A/C compressor
FTE 61-79 - RE: Newbie questions-60's truck
FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472
Re: FTE 61-79 - fan shroud
Re: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472
Re: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472
Re: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472
FTE 61-79 - 61-79-Carb reference & tranny comments
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1961 Ford Pickup
Re: FTE 61-79 - 61-79-list- Carter Web Site Address
Re: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472
Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve trouble
Re: FTE 61-79 - newbie questions
FTE 61-79 - 78 Brake booster question
FTE 61-79 - Caddy motors in Fords
Re: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472
Re: FTE 61-79 - FMX ??'s
Re: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472
FTE 61-79 - FE's That Bend Pushrods, A Dirty Little Secret, Next on Geraldo...
FTE 61-79 - RE: lifters and pushrods

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:11:44 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Spreadbore ?s

From: "Dave Resch"
Date sent: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 13:01:51 -0600
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Spreadbore ?s

> D6AE-nnnn-A3A. Was there another spreadbore (Holley or
> Motorcraft/Autolite) used on later big blocks?

The 351C had an autolite or motor craft spread bore as did the 429/460.
They have a proprietary bolt pattern and are not compatible with the Carter,
QJet or Holley's :-( They are a good carb but I still prefer the Qjet for
adjustability and the metering rods for better midrange metering.

A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
Dad keeps the best part :-)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:32:41 -0400
From: am14

chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Spreadbores

Dave (M block devotee) writes: >>Was there another spreadbore (Holley or
Motorcraft/Autolite) used on later big blocks?

Yep! Autolite. I have 2 of them. Someone on this list said that the
spreadbore pattern is different than that of GM/MOPAR. I took their word
for it. Never checked, but I like the autolite spreadbores.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:41:56 -0400
From: am14

chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Adjustable rockers

John LaG. writes: >>If your rockers are on a shaft, you have
hydraulic lifters and no adjustment

Not necessarily. The 1958 332/352's were all adjustable. Some 1959 352's
were adjustable. All of the high performance 352's, 390's, 406's and 427's
were adjustable from 1960 through 1967.

You are most likely correct, but there were a lot of FE's produced with
adjustable rockers on a shaft, and all the Y blocks were adjustables on a
shaft.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:42:11 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - lifters and pushrods

Date sent: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 14:55:30 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - lifters and pushrods

> Now about adjusting lifters. If your rockers are on a shaft, you have
> hydraulic lifters and no adjustment

So..........you're saying the 65, HO 390 with solids didn't have a shaft rocker
system? I thought ALL FE's had shaft rockers?? Most adjustable versions
have a little setscrew and lock nut in the end of the rocker. Certain pedestal
mounted ones were adjusted with a locknut on the stud but most just torque
down because the hydraulic lifters have enough room to take it up.

A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
Dad keeps the best part :-)

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:54:37 -0400
From: am14

chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - A/C compressor

Dayton B. writes: >>Does anybody know a place I can get some brackets to
mount the good old York compressor on my '78 F250. Its got a '73 Lincoln
cont 460 in it, with all the orginal mounting hardware, except the AC. Did
that year lincoln run a diffrent type of compressor, because i sure cant
find one.

I'm not absolutely positive of this but I think all the 460's had the round
(GM) compressors. The very early 429's may have had the old York, and this
would be where to look if you wanted the York bracketry. All my 460's have
had the round type anyway, and I have them from '69 to late 70's.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:56:43 -0400
From: am14

chrysler.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Fan shroud

Drew writes: >>Does anybody know when Ford started putting fan shrouds on
pickups?

My '74 had one.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:57:40 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - smoke

High Plains Richard is right about white smoke being water vapor on a cold
day. Sometimes the color of the smoke is dependent on the observer. As I
have given this more thought, burning ATF would probably be considered
white. We've been on this thread so long now I have forgotten who was
smoking, but if you have an auto tranny, pull the vacuum line off of the
modulator. If it drips ATF, there is your smoke problem. A pin hole is all
it takes.

- -John

jlagrone

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http://www.ford-trucks.com/jlagrone/henry.home.htm
1988 Towncar 5.0 EFI E4OD
1979 MC under restoration (my son loves old cars, too!!!)

Dearborn iron rules!!!!!!

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:24:48 -0500
From: John Strauss
Subject: FTE 61-79 - '61 Ford Pickup

>I just bought a 1961 P/U and am looking for advice on a number of items. I'm
>not a Ford fan from way back (though I did have a '72 4WD some years ago) so
>if anyone could educate me on the unibody and any do's or don'ts if I were to
>restore this beauty, I'd like to hear any opinions offered.
>
>Specific questions:
>This P/U has a V8, possibly a swap, but it is old 'cause it's got a
generator.
>How can I tell what engine I have?
>
If the 4th digit of you VIN is a "D", then the truck was originally
equipped with a 292 "Y-block" V8 engine. I have this engine in my '64. Is
the distributor at the rear and canted to the passenger side? Does the
engine not have traditional motor mounts on the side of the block but
instead has a bracket on the front of the motor that is bolted to the frame
just behind the bottom of the radiator? If all of these are true, this is
probably the original V8 292 engine.

>Any tips/advice on upgrading to an alternator?
>
I just converted my Ford tractor to a '68 pickup alternator w/external
regulator. Wiring diagrams for both idiot light and ammeter installations
are attached. Putting in a GM-style "1-wire" alternator is easier from a
wiring standpoint but if you are like me you want your truck to stay all Ford.

>She was originally two tone, torquoise and white. Where can I find a photo
>for the lines of each color? It's in primer gray now.
>
I know there is a picture in my "Ford Trucks Since 1905" book but that is a
pretty expensive book, although it is THE SOURCE for pictures of just about
every Ford truck ever built in America. I used to have a book that showed
it real well but I loaned it to someone who did not return it and now it is
out of print. Let me look around and see if I can find something.

>Source of a wiring diagram? I see that "ford-trucks" diagrams start at 1963.
>
I can't imagine what would be different between a 1963 and 1961. I think
you could use a 1963 diagram without any problems.

>Any recommendations on parts suppliers?
>
Auto-Krafters and Mac's have a lot of stuff. I have found A-K has less in
their catalog but if you call them they have it.

>Any other advice, pitfalls, etc?
>
Watch out for rust in the tailgate and on the bed where it meets the cab.
_
_| ~~. John Strauss
\, *_} jstrauss

inetport.com
\( Texas Fight!

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:32:00 -0500
From: Doug_Brodie

oxy.com
Subject: RE: FTE 61-79 - A/C compressor

Azie.
Do you have an opinion as to which compressor is better for AC? How much
trouble would it be to change out a York for the GM type and use my York for air
compression? What do you know about switching to R134? Any advice on either
subject would be appreciated.

Doug in Texas
'79 F250 4X4 Supercab 400 C6
'93 Explorer XLT 4X4 4.0L Auto

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I'm not absolutely positive of this but I think all the 460's had the round
(GM) compressors. The very early 429's may have had the old York, and this
would be where to look if you wanted the York bracketry. All my 460's have
had the round type anyway, and I have them from '69 to late 70's.

Azie
Ardmore, Al.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 06:46:39 -0700
From: "Gillespie, John D."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Newbie questions-60's truck

> I've always loved 60's era Ford trucks... probably as a result of growing
up in Texas, but I've only owned later models.
And you left the land of blue skies and no income tax for LA????? :)
> Now I'm looking into buying a 60's era truck and I have lots of questions
for those of you in the know.
> Some of these questions will, I'm sure, sound boneheaded, but I am
> starting at zero and want to get educated before I dive in. I've never
* owned a vintage car (unless you consider a Ford Falcon vintage), so
Depends on the year of the Falcon.

> 3. Compared to modern trucks, how safe are these vehicles (ie...
would
* you drive your kid around in one)?
Have you looked at the height of a 60's Truck compared to a modern
day vehicle. You can drive over one and not even scratch the undercoating.
4. When these trucks break how difficult is it to find parts? (LA)
In the LA/Orange County Area there are at least 3 companies that
specialize in F100's that are advertised on a regular basis in the truck
magazines , John's Fun F100's in Anaheim comes to mind. Deacon isn't this
your neck of the woods.

* 10. Is there anything else vital I should know?
* Do you LIKE tools and getting dirty?????? :-)

John
66 F100 240-I6 w/4sp manual
94 Ranger 4.0L (I hate liters)

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:31:32 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472

Funny, Stu and I had just been e-mailing privately about just such a
project. FYI, the 472, 500 and 425 Caddies all look alike externally. 472
started in 67 in the Eldo, 68 in everything else. 500 started in the Eldo
around 71 or 72, full line in 75 and 76. 77-79 all had 425. There were
other engine options through these years like diesels and fuel injected
Olds 350s. An early 472 versus a 460 in the same style and comparably
equipped FORD truck would be quite a match IMHO.

So, is a Caddy powered Ford still a Ford?

- -John

jlagrone

($#ed up my flywheel I also sent my fan through my shroud... :( It
just wasn't my weekend... ANyway, I've got a 400 automatic in my truck
and I'm wondering what fan shroud will fit the motor. Off of what trucks
should I be looking for the parts? Thanks in advance.

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Daniel H. Jenkins Food for thought: John Milton
djenkins

honors.unr.edu wrote _Paradise_Lost_; When his
Honors Program wife died he wrote _Paradise_
University of Nevada, Reno _Regained_...

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:54:48 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472

In a message dated 10/15/98 7:09:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jlagrone

ford-
trucks.com writes:

>

It all depends on opinion, If I put a boss 429 in a highly modified Honda,
Would it be a Honda, or a ford? If I did it, It would be a Ford. So I'd say
yes, especially since its not like somebody throwin a 350 Ch*vy in it.
Besides, 472 can haul a**. My buddy had one in an Eldorado, it could move that
tank faster than those 5.0 Stangs.

Darrell Duggan aka JUMPINFORD

AOL.com
74 F-350 RangerXLT Super Camper Special "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:26:37 +0000
From: "Gary, 78 BBB"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472

Date sent: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:31:32 -0500
From: John LaGrone
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472

> So, is a Caddy powered Ford still a Ford?

Not from a ford truck enthusiast's stand point.......or a ford truck owner's
stand point. If you're going to build a GM engine, why put it into such an
inferior vehicle.......if a ford engine isn't good enough for you then the ford
chassis certainly isn't good enough for such a prestigeous engine IMHO but
that's just from the standpoint of a ford truck enthusiast you understand, not
a "true" hot rod or custom enthusiast's standpoint so you don't need to pay
any attention to me..........:-) A true hot rodder ALWAYS uses GM engines,
right? Unless, of course, you own a "Mustang" then all bets are off but any
other ford vehicle is wide open right? At least according to the "Rags" out
there.........I better shut up :-(

A son-in-law only takes part of a daughter away,
Dad keeps the best part :-)

- -- Gary --

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:29:05 -0700
From: "sam weatherby"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472

No. I dissagree. I think a real Ford should be Ford powered.
But I like Ford engines and most Ford body's.

If I put a Honda engine in my Harley is it a Harley?? no.
-srw

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From:
To:
Date: Thursday, October 15, 1998 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472

>In a message dated 10/15/98 7:09:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jlagrone

ford-
>trucks.com writes:
>
>>
>
>It all depends on opinion, If I put a boss 429 in a highly modified Honda,
>Would it be a Honda, or a ford? If I did it, It would be a Ford. So I'd
say
>yes, especially since its not like somebody throwin a 350 Ch*vy in it.
>Besides, 472 can haul a**. My buddy had one in an Eldorado, it could move
that
>tank faster than those 5.0 Stangs.
>
>Darrell Duggan aka JUMPINFORD

AOL.com
>74 F-350 RangerXLT Super Camper Special "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 98 8:36:51 MDT
From: todd_gooding

mk.com
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 61-79-Carb reference & tranny comments

There have been several posts with questions on Ford carbs. For
information on Ford Carbs, Pony Carburators publishes an pocket sized
booklet packed full of useful carb. identification information. I don't
recall though if there is any information though for Ford pickups. However,
it is not that expensive and is easy to take to a wrecking yard. The book
discusses the basic models that Ford used on their cars from the 50's
through the middle to late 70's(?). I have used it on several occasions to
identify 4100's, and 4300 square bore and spread bore carbs. An
interesting note, according to this bookelt, Ford in 1967 made only one
size carb. It was a 441 CFM squarebore. No wonder that 410 (from a '67
Merc. Marauder) we put in my Dad's 65 pickup never had any power! A quick
carb change really livened up the motor.

That pickup originally came with a 352 and a cast iron FMX tranny. Dad has
owned the pickup since new and to my recollection, never had major problems
with it, other than a rebuild years ago when it was worn out. However,
when we put the 410 in, we also put in the C6 that came out of the Merc.
as we were concerned about reliability problems with the FMX. The C6 is
now out of the pickup and is getting rebuilt. With extra clutches and a
mild shift kit, this tranny should perform well and last a long, long time.
Hope this helps.
Todd

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:42:28 -0700
From: eric
Subject: Subject: FTE 61-79 - 1961 Ford Pickup

>Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 22:10:30 EDT
>From: FKVail

aol.com

>Specific questions:
>This P/U has a V8, possibly a swap, but it is old 'cause it's got a generator.
>How can I tell what engine I have?

If it's a stock v8 it'll be a Y-block (292 ci). The easy way to tell is
if it has an exhaust crossover pipe right in front of the engine that
connects both exhaust manifolds together. If you've got headers, then
check to see if the distributer is in the rear center of the engine,
slightly tilted towards the passenger's side - if so, then you've got a
Y-block.

>Any tips/advice on upgrading to an alternator?

Why not keep the generator if it's working properly? If you do want to
upgrade, maybe "Chuy" from the list can jump in and tell you the
details, since I think he upgraded awhile back.

>She was originally two tone, torquoise and white. Where can I find a photo
>for the lines of each color? It's in primer gray now.

This is something that I'm interested in too. I haven't seen a closeup
of how the 2-tone is done and I would like to do this to my Unibody too
when I get around to painting. Hopefully somebody will post some info
for us.

>Source of a wiring diagram? I see that "ford-trucks" diagrams start at 1963.

My '61 Unibody is almost entirely stock and I can help you if you have
any specific questions you may have.

>Any recommendations on parts suppliers?

I have pretty good luck at a local smash-em-up yard. I have to visit
weekly, though, cuz the guy crushes the vehicles every month or so.

I have a recommendation on a supplier for the factory-repro service
manual where I bought mine from a couple years ago. I'll email you
later for the contact since the info is at home now. It was pretty
pricy (about $80 USD) but more than worth it!

>Any other advice, pitfalls, etc?

A pitfall that I'm going through right now with my truck is the rust
removeal. These trucks were entirely spot welded together and then the
seams were filled with a bondo-type filler. Well, my filler has become
dry and cracked over the years which allowed moisture to set in and make
some light rust in the seams. My plan is to drill out the spot welds,
clean the rust, and then re-weld. I'm waiting until I get a little
better with my MIG welder before I start re-welding the spot-weld
holes.

Keep in touch. There's not a bunch of us Unibody guys out there.

Eric

*********************************************
*** 'Happy Days' ***
*** 1961 F100 Unibody w/'59 292ci Y-block ***
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:46:41 -0600
From: "Dave Resch"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - 61-79-list- Carter Web Site Address

>From: "Richard Currit"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - 61-79-list- Carter Web Site Address
>
>Greg, I don't think that Carter is in business anymore.
>I think they were bought out by Edelbrock, which is
>why Edelbrock spreadbore, vacuum secondary carbs
>look almost exactly like a ThermoQuad without the
>phenolic resin bowl. I could be wrong on this too (I'm
>sure somebody will let me know if I am), but isn't the
>Edelbrock AFB (Aluminum Four Barrel) just an
>aluminum version of the old WCFB (Will Carter Four Barrel)??

Yo Richard and Greg:

Carter is now owned by Federal Mogul. You can find info about Carter carbs
at the Federal Mogul web site.

"AFB" is a Carter trademark, now owned by Federal Mogul. There is no
Edelbrock AFB. The designs of the Carter AFB and Edelbrock carbs are very
similar.

Here's another Federal Mogul web site w/ info about the Carter AFB carbs:

http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.goracing.com/federalmogul/

Dave R. (M-block devotee)

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:48:22 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472

>> So, is a Caddy powered Ford still a Ford?
>
>Not from a ford truck enthusiast's stand point.......or a ford truck owner's
>stand point. If you're going to build a GM engine, why put it into such an
>inferior vehicle.......if a ford engine isn't good enough for you then the
ford
>chassis certainly isn't good enough for such a prestigeous engine IMHO but
>that's just from the standpoint of a ford truck enthusiast you understand,
not
>a "true" hot rod or custom enthusiast's standpoint so you don't need to pay
>any attention to me..........:-) A true hot rodder ALWAYS uses GM engines,

I seem to remember my dad tellin me that in the 30's and 40's people would
put the huge Caddy engines into the light Fords, called them Fordillac's if
I remember right. Anyone else ever hear of these, or was I just dreamin it ?

Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:44:39 EDT
From: JUMPINFORD

aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Re: Valve trouble

Sounds like your advancing is off, either increasing to quickly, or not fast
enough, I can't remember which. If its like most adv. diaphragms, its
adjustable through the vac port with an allen. Try messing with that.

Darrell Duggan aka JUMPINFORD

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74 F-350 RangerXLT Super Camper Special "Tweety"
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:51:46 -0700
From: "Deacon"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - newbie questions

From: Raul Gutierrez
>1. If you could own only one 60's era Ford truck and you were planning
on
>driving that truck regularly, which would you recommend?

Check out the pictorial page on Ken's site to see what you like.

>2. Which model year (if any) is the most reliable?

The owner is what makes the difference whether or not a vehicle is
reliable. If you want to own a vintage (old) truck IMHO you need to be
willing to do most of the work on it yourself. When a person tells me
their vehicle is an unreliable piece of junk, I'll look under the hood
and find everything covered in oil soaked grunge, wires twisted together
with electrical tape falling off it and so on. I'll just shut the hood
and tell them to buy a new car every couple years or ride the bus.

>3. Compared to modern trucks, how safe are these vehicles (ie... would
>you drive your kid around in one)?

Only one thing is unsafe with older trucks "seatbelts". If it doesn't
have any, put them in.

>4. When these trucks break how difficult is it to find parts? (LA)

I'm 50 miles south of you in Ontario and own a '73 F100. For mechanical
stuff, any auto parts store will have replacement parts for it. For body
and trim you can mail order from Auto Crafters. You can find a link to
their site at FTE. Plus Ford trucks don't break. :)

>5. Does anyone know where one would begin to look for these trucks in
>Southern California (LA)?

Go to Stop & Rob and buy a Truck Trader.

>6. What is a fair price for 1964/65 F100 in good working order?

$1500 - $2200

>7. How hard is it to find trucks of this vintage in good working order?

A 30+ year old Ford truck in good working order isn't for sale. The
person loves their Ford truck and you'd need to pry it out of their cold
dead hands. Find one that needs the least amount of work and fix it.
When your finished with it, I'd like to hear how much you'd take for it.
;]

>8. Were trucks of this era equipped with automatic transmission (for my
>girlfriend)? If so, are these more difficult to find?

Real woman drive their own Ford trucks. Don't give me that. You want
a auto trans. It doesn't take a man to drive a stick (don't go there
people) :]. The answer is yes and you can always put one in it if you
wanted. The newer autos are much better than the old ones. That's one of
the biggest reasons why so many had sticks back then and so many have
autos now.

>10. Is there anything else vital I should know?

I consider a Ford Falcon vintage. :) Good luck and let us know what you
find. Feel free to ask us. When you find some trucks that you like, go
ahead and post the info if you want some other opinions. I'm the only
one that flames anyone here and I'm nobody so there's nothing to worry
about. ;]

Later!

Deacon
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:54:38 -0500
From: Mike Masse
Subject: FTE 61-79 - 78 Brake booster question

I believe my booster is leaking because even though the brakes seem to
work fine, if I shut off the engine, I don't get ANY help. I belive
there should be enough reserve vacuum to get a couple of pumps, right?
I've been checking around for pricing on new ones and I'm curious if
someone knows a test that I can perform at a junkyard to tell if one is
decent or not.
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'78 Bronco Custom
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:03:27 -0700
From: Eric Donaldson
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Caddy motors in Fords

Friends -
If I didn't have all this FE stuff around, a Cadillac 500 and TH400
would be my first choice to repower my 66 Merc 250. It makes huge
torque, is cheap as dirt, it will fit, it can be found with a simple FI
system and it even resembles a Ford engine.
But when it's finished my Merc will likely have an FE. The hot rod can
come later. And, aren't hot rods cool too?
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:11:26 -0700
From: Dennis Pearson
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472

Thanks for your message at 11:26 AM 10/15/98 +0000, Gary, 78 BBB. Your
message was:

Does my highly trained, finely tuned English teacher's eye detect a note of
irony here?

>> So, is a Caddy powered Ford still a Ford?
>
>Not from a ford truck enthusiast's stand point.......or a ford truck owner's
>stand point. If you're going to build a GM engine, why put it into such an
>inferior vehicle.......if a ford engine isn't good enough for you then the
ford
>chassis certainly isn't good enough for such a prestigeous engine IMHO but
>that's just from the standpoint of a ford truck enthusiast you understand,
not
>a "true" hot rod or custom enthusiast's standpoint so you don't need to pay
>any attention to me..........:-) A true hot rodder ALWAYS uses GM engines,
>right? Unless, of course, you own a "Mustang" then all bets are off but any
>other ford vehicle is wide open right? At least according to the "Rags" out
>there.........I better shut up :-(

1962 Unibody, short box, big window--351C
1966 F250 Custom Cab, 352, 4-speed
1962 short stepside (big empty space under the hood)
1970 Marquis 429(destined for the Mustang)
1973 Mustang 302 (tired)
1962 Falcon 2-dr 6 cyl., AT
1996 Windstar
1981 Rabbit Convertible (How did that get in here?)
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:32:31 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - FMX ??'s

I don't want to start a huge flame war, but all I've heard about lately is
supposed reliablitly problems with the FMX, though no one seems to actually
have them.

My understanding of the FMX (limited as it is), is that it was built as a
high performance tranny for the small block's. Now that I think about it I
don't even know how old the tranny is, I mean when it was first put in
service, our 69 Cougars both have/had them, the 70 Torino, and even the 74
Elite (parts car) has one if I remember right. As far as I know we've
never had any problems with them, and our Cougar can get a second gear
scratch when its left in drive. Not that this means it will last, just
that it shifts pretty solid.

I guess I was just wondering if a lot of people had actually had problems
with the FMX, or if it was just that people didn't trust it (because its
different, or unknown or some other reason).

Hope that makes sense, if you want to email me directly, feel free.

Just my 2cents

Bill

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:50:21 -0500
From: Larry Schmiedekamp
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Caddy 472

Bill

Your right, also in the 50's too. Caddy's swaps where real popular.

Hot Rod mag. is writing articles on building a cheap rod using cad. eng.

Here we go again.

At 10:48 AM 10/15/98 -0500, you wrote:
>>> So, is a Caddy powered Ford still a Ford?
>>
>>Not from a ford truck enthusiast's stand point.......or a ford truck
owner's
>>stand point. If you're going to build a GM engine, why put it into such an
>>inferior vehicle.......if a ford engine isn't good enough for you then the
>ford
>>chassis certainly isn't good enough for such a prestigeous engine IMHO but
>>that's just from the standpoint of a ford truck enthusiast you understand,
>not
>>a "true" hot rod or custom enthusiast's standpoint so you don't need to pay
>>any attention to me..........:-) A true hot rodder ALWAYS uses GM engines,
>
>I seem to remember my dad tellin me that in the 30's and 40's people would
>put the huge Caddy engines into the light Fords, called them Fordillac's if
>I remember right. Anyone else ever hear of these, or was I just dreamin it ?
>
>Just my 2cents
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 11:56:53 -0500
From: ballingr

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Subject: FTE 61-79 - FE's That Bend Pushrods, A Dirty Little Secret, Next on Geraldo...

>
> Now about adjusting lifters. If your rockers are on a shaft, you have
> hydraulic lifters and no adjustment, so the question of adjusting if you
> swap the pushrods around is pointless. If you have rockers on studs, then
> you have to loosen them to get the pushrods out and you have to re-adjust
> them when you put it all back together regardless of whether you use new
> pushrods, old pushrods in the same place or old pushrods mixed up. Again,
> the question of re-adjustment has only one answer.

There are some things that should be done on the FE to insure valvetrain
stability. After I learned these procedures, I've never bent, tossed,
or broke another pushrod in an FE that I kept under 6000 rpms. This
would also apply to any other non-adjustable shaft-rocker setup.

First, put the engine in the specified (in the shop manual) crank
position(this is very important) and unload the shaft from front to rear
by breaking the bolts loose, then turning them out 1/2 of a turn at a
time to keep from bending the shaft. Then preload it again by turning it
back down from rear to front until you reach the specified torque
value. This will preload the valvetrain specific to the position of
each lifter. This will eliminate the improper preload factor and give
you accurate results when measuring. I will look up all of the specs for
anyone who wants them, just let me know.

Now, use a dial indicator on each rocker to measure valve lift (running
each rocker through it's range of motion). Compare the readings to your
lift specs, or if unavailable use the highest lift specs encountered as
a benchmark. Some cams will have more lift on the exhaust side, so keep
that in mind. If it's losing lift on one and the lifter turns out to be
good (procedure to come), then you could determine if it's the rocker,
shaft, or stands causing the problem, or get a longer pushrod. The Ford
manual says that longer pushrods are (were) available to compenste for
preload inconsisancies. An engine that had warranty work done could be
found with a longer pushrod ot two, so be aware. If you can find the
length of pushrod needed, viola!, you are home free.

Next, unload the shaft and lay the pushrods out according to where they
came from, and straighten the way they lay with a straight edge along
the bottom. Look for any long or short ones (short ones are probably
bent), and for any that are visibly bent. You hace to get them square,
and look really close, as they most likely will only be .030 - .080
lomger. It's important to keep them together in relation to their
positions at this point. If you find a long one and your valve lift was
OK and the lifter is good then that long one needs to go back where it
came from. If they're all the same length, it doesn't make any
difference where they go back. Roll the pushrods one at a time on a
metal table to check again for straightness. If it rolls any way but
straight it's bent. Take a pushrod and check the lifters by trying to
pump them. A bad one will give a little more than the others. If it
gives, replace it. If you replaced anything, pushrod or lifter, it's a
good idea to re-measure it to make sure the problem is gone.

FE's bend pushrods mostly because most builders don't follow these
factory procedures when they put one together, maybe mix up the pushrods
in reassembly of an engine that had a longer pushrod installed to fix a
preload problem, or somebody runs the s*it out of one that has developed
or had from the factory, slack somewhere in the lifter preload that
hasn't been addressed. If that rocker is loose, it will toss a pushrod
when the lifter bleeds down after a hard run. This design has been
condemned because of the lack of simple adjustability, as it probably
should be, it's just the FE's Dirty Little Secret.

Of course you can get an adjustable valvetrain, but that's brutally
expensive. For anything short of racing (+6000rpms)this design will do
fine. You just have to do a little extra work to get them right.

Brian, if all of your pushrods were the same length and the lifters were
preloaded right there should be no problem mixing them up unless you had
a preload problem in the first place, or bent a rockershaft on
reassembly.

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Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:53:23 -0700
From: "Hogan, Tom"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: lifters and pushrods

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Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 15:30:29 -0500
From: William S Hart
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - lifters and pushrods

>Now about adjusting lifters. If your rockers are on a shaft, you have
>hydraulic lifters and no adjustment, so the question of adjusting if you....

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