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61-79-list-digest Thursday, October 8 1998 Volume 02 : Number 477



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In this issue:

FTE 61-79 - "fruit jar" replacement
Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking for truck box... etc.
Re: FTE 61-79 - "fruit jar" replacement
Re: FTE 61-79 - rims/trucks
FTE 61-79 - Wrangler GSA Tire sizes
Re: FTE 61-79 - "fruit jar" replacement
FTE 61-79 - RE: Rear axle nuts
FTE 61-79 - RE: Ken's Health
FTE 61-79 - RE: Weird thingy
FTE 61-79 - RE: Strange Noise
FTE 61-79 - Rear Axle Nutss

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Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 01:23:02 -0400
From: "Brad Jones"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - "fruit jar" replacement

There are a few companies that have NEW power boosters for 60's f trucks
One is Master Power Brakes (small web presence) the cost is about $295 +s&H
for the All Drum version and over $300 for the disk version. I think
another company is Autokrafters (visit their web site).
I talked to a nice guy from NC who was lucky to find one in a junk yard for
his '65 truck from a '66 and it bolted right up. After I do all my body
work I will be searching also. Do you think they will give us a quantity
discount? I was told that for my '65 I could use anything from '65 to '70
and it would bolt up with no mods. I have no way of verifying that though.
If you are talking about just getting a dual res. master cylinder without
going power please let me know what model would have compatible parts.

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:41:04 -0400 (EDT)
From: Justin Farcas
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - Looking for truck box... etc.

Well,.....about that xfer case not being sealed to the tranny...
SUPPOSEDLY, Autotech replaced that seal. I don't know what is going on,
but I checked the fluid level and it above normal, I'm thinking that
might have broken the seal between the two. Possible?


-Justin Farcas --


MOTHER, TELL YOUR CHILDREN NOT TO WALK MY WAY
TELL YOUR CHILDREN NOT TO HEAR MY WORDS
WHAT THEY MEAN, WHAT THEY SAY
MOTHER

MOTHER
CAN YOU KEEP THEM IN THE DARK FOR LIFE
CAN YOU HIDE THEM FROM THE WAITING WORLD
OH MOTHER

FATHER
GONNA TAKE YOUR DAUGHTER OUT TONIGHT
GONNA SHOW HER MY WORLD
OH FATHER

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:39:51 -0500
From: "JAMES MERLO"
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - "fruit jar" replacement

I had a different approach.

I have a 62 1 ton and all of the places, Master Power Brakes, Stainless
Steel Brakes etc. say none of their stuff will work.

The path I took was to
1)determine what the cylinder diameter was in my single master cylinder

2) find a dual master cylinder that had the same size cylinder for each
cylinder. This is listed in the parts book at the auto parts place (need
to develop a rapor with the guy i.e. buy your stuff from him/her). I
worked with the owner and he was more than cooperative.

A couple of points: I stayed away from the master cylinders that were
disc/drum - I was concerned that they may have had some type of residual
valve built in. I had to go to a power brake unit as nothing that had a
close master cylinder diameter was a manual and a dual master cylinder.

The closest was a 1 1/8" (to my 1 1/4"). The power brake unit cost $175.

After all of this book work, I didn't do it to the truck, but I did it to a
mustang (i.e. used this approach) and it worked out great ( a Torino part
was a fraction of a mustang part cost). The boltup patterns didn't match,
but made a plate that had studs sticking out one end that matched the
firewall and studs on the other side that matched that master cylinder.

Another area of concern is the length of the rod that goes to the brake
pedal - it may have to be lengthened or the pedal adjusted.

By the way, what stopped me from completion was the desire to put a 460 in
the truck and I was concerned that the power booster could hit the motor.
One thing is for sure, I had forgotten how rotten drums are compared to
discs. I have a rudimentary plan for putting discs on the solid beam axle
- - but I am holding off investigating it further until the 460 is installed.
I am getting the last piece this weekend - the new teeth on the flywheel.


Next week I will begin the prework (detail marking, measuring etc.).
Yes I could have been doing that now while I got the flywheel fixed, but
then it would be too much like work.

Jim

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> From: Brad Jones
> To: 61-79-list ford-trucks.com
> Subject: FTE 61-79 - "fruit jar" replacement
> Date: Monday, October 05, 1998 12:23 AM
>
> There are a few companies that have NEW power boosters for 60's f trucks
> One is Master Power Brakes (small web presence) the cost is about $295
+s&H
> for the All Drum version and over $300 for the disk version. I think
> another company is Autokrafters (visit their web site).
> I talked to a nice guy from NC who was lucky to find one in a junk yard
for
> his '65 truck from a '66 and it bolted right up. After I do all my body
> work I will be searching also. Do you think they will give us a quantity
> discount? I was told that for my '65 I could use anything from '65 to
'70
> and it would bolt up with no mods. I have no way of verifying that
though.
> If you are talking about just getting a dual res. master cylinder
without
> going power please let me know what model would have compatible parts.
>
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Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 07:01:30 -0700
From: Don
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - rims/trucks

When I was in the city I was walking passed a supershops and saw them
putting new tires on a BRAND NEW F250 supercab xlt 4x4 and asked the owner
of the truck what he wanted for the "old" 500-600 miles on factory ford 16"
rims and tires as well as 4x4 hubcaps and he said 300 bucks..got em for
$250 and PROMPTLY put them on my 78 F250 4x4 which had the 16.5" rims...had
32x12.5x16.5" tires on before..after change rode like a cadillac!!!!!drove
with em on the truck for 6 years and NO problems!!

At 05:56 AM 9/24/98 -0700, you wrote:
>You may have a problem on the front with the disc calipers hitting the rim.
>Mine barely clear by less than a 1/4". I would check the clearance
between your
>calipers to rim before you buy the rims.
>
>
>Thanks
>John MacNamara
>
>78 F250 4X4 Supercab
>74 Stroppe Bronco
>67 GT500
>
>Debbie Paypompee wrote:
>
>> I want to change the rim size on a f250 3/4 ton from 16.5 to 16, these rims
>> are 8 bolt. Does anyone know if this is possible? Do the 8 stud rims
come in
>> different sizes?
>> my name JJ
>>
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Remove the (me) from email address to reply
BB chatroom name: broncodon
1979 Bronco Ranger XLT
400 ,C6,NP205,4.11 open diffs,16" wheels LT235/85/R16
Organization: I Cahoot With No One!!
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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:21:38 -0400
From: "Mr. Paul R. Boudreault"
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Wrangler GSA Tire sizes

Hello everyone.

There was a post about "GSA 33 inch tires" reference availability.

Apparently the Goodyear Web Site still shows them as available.

See this web site for sizes.
http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.goodyear.com/nat/pclt_cat/products/wrangler_gsa_specs.html

Hope this helps.

(I also run GSA's however only 31's, for now anyway.)

Also I am not 100% sure about this but here in Canada when the 79 Bronco was
available with the 351M it was emission exempt because it was offered with
3/4 ton springs. (Pretty sneaky, huh.) I don't know if the 400M had this
also. I think it was only for trucks which were over the 1/2 ton "size".
Same reason the "Cat" wasn't required.

(Dad still has his 79 Bronco, 351M, stock and in really good shape, rebuilt
motor, and yep no sign of an EGR. He bought it new in 79 on the "A" plan,
for Ford Employees.)

Mr. Paul R. Boudreault
Retired RCAF/CAF

79 Ford Bronco, 351M, 4 BB, 4 speed manual.

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Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 00:59:15 EDT
From: A4T1RAT aol.com
Subject: Re: FTE 61-79 - "fruit jar" replacement

Just cuz I gotta be different, how about this ... take out the straight
axle, put in a mustang II ft. susp. add the Chevell 12" disk brake kit, mount
the master cyl and power brake kit to the frame ( under the cab ) fill all the
holes in the fire wall put in the 460 drop the rear a little and there ya go
.. 460 powered rack and pinion ( ps is a option ) power ft disk brakes and no
master cyl clearance problems.... he...he...he...
Just a thought oh ya you could tub the rear too ...... LOL
Gordon
kinda sounds like a 55 C***y pu I built not to long ago hummmmmmmmm...
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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:36:44 -0600
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Rear axle nuts

Steve, NAPA will have the socket you need for this. It's called
a...oh...damn brain!! Flange nut socket or something. They'll know. It's
about $15 and worth having in your tool box.

Tips? When you put the axle back in, don't have even a small amount of your
thumb on the edge of the axle flange. You will get pinched and get a blood
blister!! Trust me. I've mashed both thumbs on the same axle before.

Pack the bearings with grease like you would front wheel bearings. Even
though they have contact with the gear oil, they can burn up if not packed.

Be careful not to damage the bearing when you bend over the little tabs on
the retainers.

If the retainers and little tabs look real beat up, replace them. I've seen
the tabs break off and the axles come out while driving (don't ask).

There's a torque spec for the big nut that I can't remember the name of.
It's in the Chilton book.

They are pretty simple once you get the hang of it.

Have fun,

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net


>Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:41:20 -0700
>From: sdelanty sonic.net
>Subject: FTE 61-79 - .

>Hey gang,

>I've gotta do rear wheel bearings on my great-uncles '75 F250 this evening
or
> tomorrow and I stared at the exploded veiw of the dana rear end for a few
> minutes and now I'm wondering what size socket it takes to get them big
old
>nuts
>off so I can get in there. I'd like to have all the right tools in hand
before
>I get the thing disabled in my driveway...
>Can anyone out there tell me what size that sucker is?
>Any handy tips for doing the bearings on the Dana axle?

> Thanks!

> Steve
> http://www.ford-trucks.com//lc/lc.php?action=do&link=http://www.sonic.net/~sdelanty

> Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to
> recognize a mistake when you make it again.
> -- F. P. Jones

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:47:56 -0600
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Ken's Health

Bill Ballinger ballingr ldd.net wrote:

>Ken,

>I'm glad that it turned out better than it might have been, but
>migraines aren't a walk in the park either. I hope that it was a one
>time deal.

>Please let us know if there's anything that we can do to lighten your
>workload a little. You and your wife work awfully hard on "our little
>hobby" and I doubt that anyone here would think a thing about it if you
>made everyone go to digest mode or even shut it all down for a few
>days. Your health (and your family) is more important than any of this.

>Get well soon, bud

Absolutely. If we can help let us know Ken.


Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net

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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:45:31 -0600
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Weird thingy

JUMPINFORD aol.com wrote:

>Only thing I could think of is that maybe its some
>sort of muffler to quiet the carb noise,

That's exactly what it is.

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net


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Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:40:05 -0600
From: Drew Beatty
Subject: FTE 61-79 - RE: Strange Noise

Wheel bearing??? Worth a look I guess.

Good luck,

Drew Beatty
dcbeatty rmi.net


>Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:28:36 +0000
>From: "Rusty Nail"
>Subject: FTE 61-79 -

>Was wondering if anyone has experienced this problem or know what it could
>be. I have a howl in my front end that sounds allot like big tires on
>pavement at high speed. It only happens when I'm going about 35-50 mph and
>it happens on both gravel and pavement. I've changed the u-joints. Any
>guesses.

>Rusty Nail
'>79 400 Explorer 2wd

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Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 00:54:32 -0700
From: "J.S.H."
Subject: FTE 61-79 - Rear Axle Nutss

My 76 F-250 takes a 2 9/16" socket for the rear axle nuts.....


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